If I don't love Hollow Knight immediately, does that mean it's not for me, or does it take a while to get good? I like the exploring and the combat is nice and snappy, but so far it's just not that interesting. The aesthetic isn't really doing it for me either, but I can get past that. I only say it because it seems like a lot of people like the aesthetic.

it's not for you.

>>714055657 (OP)
some people find it stale early
but it gets better later
>once you get the mantis claws, it becomes extremely nonlinear and well interconnected, best freeform exploration in the genre
>eventually you get nail arts, more spells, neater enemies etc

>>714055751
Hmm I'll stick with it for a bit then. Thanks m8.

>>714055657 (OP)
i think it takes a bit to get used to.
it pulls you in gradually and then you realize you accidentally 20 hours in it and you haven't even explored half the map

reddit knight

>>714056079
cormana

>>714056079
I don't even have a Reddit account but many of my favorite games have been called Reddit on here and I'm sure yours have too.

>>714055657 (OP)
Early on feels slow as fuck - not even having a dash makes traversal feel slow and boring
It gets better once you get a few movement upgrades like the dash

How long is immediately?
Personally I dropped it after 4 hours. Didn't have any faith it'd get better.

it took me 3 tries to get into it and I ended up getting most of the endings. the start (crossroads) can feel really slow and linear if you're used to vidya

>>714055657 (OP)
It took me after the boss in the third zone (Fungal Waste) to get really hooked in the game, but after that it quickly became one of my favorite games.
How far in the game are you?

>>714055657 (OP)
I started enjoying the game at Mantis tribe in my first run. And City of tears was where i understood the game was gonna be one of my favourite.

>>714055657 (OP)
I just bought this because wikipedia said Faxanadu was a primary influence, but I just started it and it looks like some cartoony Tim Burton shit. Does the whole game have a "drab" aesthetic or is there color after a while?

>>714056115
/v/tards call every game they don't like 'reddit'.
Its one of the few pre-2016 /v/ traditions that still lingers/

>>714056757
>Does the whole game have a "drab" aesthetic
Yes.

>>714056696
>>714056743
both of these are pretty much the starting point of the main game, the way i see it
>now you have the claws
>now you have been given two directions that branch out into various different options/routes/possibilities, and some other less obvious/more awkward paths became possible too, the game is actually nonlinear now
>the one big main thing you *need* to reach is the dream nail and theres 6-7 different routes/paths from there which will end up arriving at the place, either right away or after circling around the whole world
>either CoT or DN will be a pretty big turning point

>>714056757
>some cartoony Tim Burton shit
OP here and that was exactly my take although as I said, I can look past it if I'm having fun.
>>714056832
Exactly.

>>714056757
theres a cave filled with pink crystals, theres a greenish lush forest, theres the blue rainy city of tears, etc
but if you dont like the semi-constant presence of greyish/darkish elements on the screen, youre gonna have to wait for Silksong

>>714056696
Less far than that. I've only beaten one boss.

>>714057106
Thats less than 1% of the game desu

>>714056832
its a tradition i wish would just up and die, though. it never leaves to interesting disucssion and comes off as reductive.

>>714057167
>interesting disucssion
2reddit4me

>>714055657 (OP)
It gets better once the upgrades start rolling in, early on it's pretty mediocre.

>>714055657 (OP)
It does get better. The dash makes combat a lot more dynamic, the claws makes platforming a lot snappier. And both boss design and platforming design scales accordingly to your upgrades, Path of Pain is my favourite platforming section in any game period.
Exploration/atmosphere hits its peak when you reach Deepnest.

>>714055657 (OP)
Hollow Knight starts super, super slow, simplistic and directionless before it ramps up, that's part of why it has so much staying power, its absolute commitment to that ramping pacing.
If the atmosphere and art isn't doing anything for you, then yeah drop it. Otherwise, get to the City of Tears and if it's still doing nothing for you it's unlikely to change your mind with Deepnest or whatever.

>>714057784
>starts super, super slow, simplistic and directionless
I'd say it stays that way.

>>714055657 (OP)
If the aesthetic and music and everything do nothing for you, it's not for you.

>>714057784
I got to Deepnest as one of the first areas, way before City of Tears. Great experience.

>>714057849
Objectively wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rg8UBKtt1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JWQ9KjwPyE

>>714057959
I don't care about some shitty boss fights that take up less than 2% of the playtime.

>>714057849
>one of the biggest metroid-like maps
>more elaborate enemy design than most/practically all of the genre for 30 bosses and with 30 other bosses on the side
>most interconnection/nonlinearity than practically any competitor for its exploration
what the fuck does "simple" mean then?

>>714055657 (OP)
Game clicked for me during the Mantis Lords boss fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_lOlrPozI&list=RDMM
Its not for everyone but I think its pretty good

>>714055657 (OP)
I didn't love it immediately but I'm glad I stuck with it, I just beat the mantis lords and have started to explore deepnest now. Hard to say when I thought it got good, I just found myself keeping wanting to come back and play a bit more.

I liked it enough to bother exploring a lot but that got me locked out from ending 1 because I got a charm I can't remove. I'm too lazy to start newgame just for that and not really into going for achievements or something but I guess I will someday do replay it, I mean, I did replayed games I liked slightly less than this

>>714055657 (OP)
As you’re fighting bosses it starts ramping up. Timings get tighter and harder. So does the platforming. End game was one of the toughest things i’ve ever played and beaten.

>>714055657 (OP)
The first region is bland and is considered the tutorial. It takes a few hours to clear it. If you've reached greenpath, the game is going to get more and more beautiful with each new area and you probably will find something to enjoy. If you're enjoying the exploration and combat, you'll probably enjoy it if you keep at it for some more time

>>714056995
>wrong: the post

Hollow Knight has a strong visual identity and I love the callbacks to metroid and castlevania. But I hate the requirements for the true ending.

>>714062148
why is that?
I like it how its basically just part of the main quest, an extra portion of the core game, more content

Assuming by "true ending" you mean Dream No More, the actual true ending

>>714055657 (OP)
Exploring Greenpath for the first time was one of the most magical moments I had while playing videogames. I dont get the 'first region is boring' complaints but whatever, there's going to be a cool area you will love and the game will click, probably.

>>714062315
NTA but I assume the Godmaster DLC ending which is to defeat Radiance after doing a gauntlet of buffed up boss-fights after delivering a flower to an NPC without getting hit because the flower gets destroyed if you get hit once

Backtracking makes the game tedious in the second half

>>714055657 (OP)
I quit it about 20% of the way in on release and came back in 2020 to 112% it and loved it.

>>714062565
thats just a side thing really, i dont think people should fixate on it too much
Some people seem to associate "harder = truer" for games but i dont really think thats accurate, DNM is definitely the main thing and all of godmaster is a silly optional bonus

Id only be pissed if the godmaster ending required you to do horrible shit like All Bindings or All Radiants

>>714062710
I like that it's there. I'd be annoyed if there was not a reward for going through all that. like how the path of pain is pretty disappointing.

>>714062315
It would have been better if they had naturally given you the points needed to reach the true ending for each mandatory skill. Iga games are trollish but they either streamline the endgame (AOS), or give you a simple, but annoying, puzzle to solve. I've never had to grind in any of the Iga games to reach the endgame. In HK I understood the Richter reference, but when I had a lot of boring ass fights and fetch quests to do I dropped the game

>>714055657 (OP)
It's pretty stale early and it lasts way too long. Has some good moments but overall it's not nearly as good as the then-ten year olds would have you believe. Baby's first Metroidvania is of course going to leave an impression if you've never played any other game of this kind.

>>714062820
There is not a single fetch quest in the entire game

>>714062925
>1800 essence to fight Radiance

>it's not a fetch quest

I only ignored this because it's optional content. The game already railroads you to do over 50% of the completion, but having to fetch for more essence is bullshit.

>>714063073
Do you understand what a "fetch quest" is? You fucking moron. Killing bosses for essence is not a fetch quest. You're upset because you're bad at the game. It's that simple.

>>714063073
The seer keeps telling you to bring her essence to give you nice stuff, hinting at some increasingly bigger reward. if you feel like completing the most important looking quests, you are bound to get the essence eventually
In fact, the essence is less so a fetch quest, and moreso a requirement of fighting some of the strongest, coolest bosses of the main game. Who wouldnt want to do that??

>>714063073
You are soulless.

>>714062841
I played almost the whole genre, HK is my favorite. Its bosses, world and exploration are the best in the genre
ESA is second place because of the cool secret hunt overarching across all of the surprisingly competent game with a cool world

>>714063949
Draculas relics in SOTN are optional but if I want to fight the game's cooler bosses I have to find them.

>>714064019
I'll never really understand why HK breeds so many sycophants.

its boring, the world is so big you spend 99% of the time wondering where the fuck to go

>>714064150
cause its a great game, it got so popular despite starting smaller with no marketing budget because it had more merit than the rest
hopefuly you can put your contrarianism aside when its time to enjoy KINOsong
>>714064084
the quest that requires 1800 essence is optional but if you want to do the games' coolest quest and story moment, you have to do it, and doing that involves doing most of the games' cooler optional bosses. whats the difference here??

>>714064297
I did put it aside when I tried HK. It was okay. It's simply not as good as some people make it out to be. I played it one time and never touched it again.

>>714055657 (OP)
I played it for a few hours, loved the music and atmosphere but bounced off shortly after.
I love exploration and challenge, but this is a giant platformer at the end of the day and I don't care for those.

I just got butt raped by Hornet.

>>714055751
>nail arts
utterly meaningless
>more spells
no complaint against the multi-hit upwards shriek, genuinely designed well for the bosses of the game. but giving the upgraded dive THAT MUCH INVINCIBILITY is the game's worst oversight that results in all speedruns and boss rush videos being outrageously retarded.

>>714065352
I found hornet quite easy. She is the “pvp” battle of the game, because unlike the other bosses she plays by the rules of the player character. But I've never seen anything tricky about her. But I've never fought the pantheon version

>>714065420
nail arts are quite useful, specially with NMG
know all these people moaning about radiant markoth? apply dash slash and it becomes a joke
>dive invincibility
sure its silly, but its not enough to invalidate all of the games' coolness
also, dive spamming for i-frames is very relevant in speedruns

>>714065549
she has no pantheon version
other than her pantheon arena walls making her slightly glitchy compared to the normal version

>>714055657 (OP)
It's a mid game at best, so it is not surprising that you don't like it

>>714065420
>Spin nail art is so OP that it allowed me to play as sloppy as possible

Anon...

>>714065685
>also, dive spamming for i-frames is very relevant in speedruns
that's precisely the sort of thing that I was disparaging you dumb cunt.

>>714055657 (OP)
Keep playing until you reach the City of Tears. That's when it 'clicks' for most people. If you still don't care about it then, drop it.

>>714066139
post pantheon golds w/ timestamp in the next 10 minutes you clueless neanderthal

>>714066080
You're saying this because my taste is so good right?

>>714066190
i meant to type "isnt very relevant in speedruns"

>>714066190
>>714066736
post scriptum
theres very little reason to dive for i-frames in a speedrun when you just wanna constantly dps
the best spells for damage are abyss shriek or shade multihits, not the dive. dive is more relevant for damage on a normal gameplay, not speedruns

>>714055657 (OP)
The combat is boring and the moveset is very basic.

>enjoy a metroidvania
>the only community for that game is speedtrannies
I guess some things shouldn't be lingered on

>>714055657 (OP)
my brother took 4 restarts to enjoy it but then he really liked it

I can't say.
Replaying Hollow knight I found it highly anoying that you need to unlock many of the mechanics that I knew were coming.
Which made the gameplay feel bad.
I got the same feeling when playing 9 sols for the first time. Because I knew that it's wrong that I can't air dash. It feels wrong. And as expected I got air dash a bit further in.
So if you're ha ing that sort of dissonance, I get it, it gets better. But if you don't like the formula in it l's entirety it's not for you.

How do you play this on the controller? My hand started to hurt

>>714055657 (OP)
It's just baby's first Metroidvania.
Go play Metroid if you really want a good game, HK is mid at best.

>>714067029
There hasn't been any update since 2018, with Gods & Glory, since Silksong was supposed to be only a DLC.
It's been 7 years, anon, what do you want people to talk about. Most people played and left, some have been making retarded memes for 7 years waiting for SS.

The only active community for older games is unfortunately speedrunning.

>>714055657 (OP)
i played it on kb first and didn't like it much, but when I switched to pad it was way better.

It also has a really slow first hour or two before you start getting into its loop properly, which doesn't help

>>714068780
>It's been 7 years, anon, what do you want people to talk about
Hornet thighs I guess?

For everybody saying that HK is mid, do you recommend any other metroidvania? I'm an oldfag so I've already played Super Metroid and Symphony of the Night and shit when they were new.

>>714069592
>recommends metroidBRAINIA to this post

>>714069592
>recommends metroidBRAPia to this post

>>714069690
....post one (1) please

>>714055657 (OP)
no it's pretty much you either love it or hate it and will know immediately.
the best part is in the early game, if you don't like it quite quickly, you will not ever like it.

>>714070068
>the best part is in the early game
said no one ever

>>714070194
I just said that, so factually incorrect.
It's the most commonly held opinion about the game.

>>714069848
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3630870/Fart_King/

>>714055657 (OP)
I just noticed that bee knight fights foreshadow, the final boss of the game. Really cool

>>714070068
>>714070264
like every actually-good metroidvania, the best part is roughly 2/3rds of the way in. this should be the expected experience within the genre but it rarely is.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1877260/Trash_Heart/
anyone tried the demo?

>>714056832
here's a reddit game

>>714064019
I got filtered by the snake boss fight in ESA and never went back. Fun game up until that point, but fuck that thing.

>>714072006
i first tried it

>>714055657 (OP)
Same.
I was also starting but dropped it because I didnt find any progression through the labyrinth.
I dont play many of these but loved Blasphemous and this looked cool but kind of lost interest due to lack of progress.

>>714055657 (OP)
I love Metroidvanias but didn't really get into Hollow Knight until beating Hornet. I feel like it waits a bit too long to start giving you those new abilities that fuel the desire to continue exploring but I guess the game is massively long so makes sense in that context.

>>714064297
>put your contrarianism aside when its time to enjoy KINOsong
You didn't see the threads back in April. We're looking at a level of tortanicfaggotry so brainless it'll make the Elden Ring attempt look like a joke.

>>714055657 (OP)
>If I don't love Hollow Knight immediately, does that mean it's not for me, or does it take a while to get good?
By immediately, I am assuming at least 30 minutes of gameplay. Then, yes. It's not for you.
However, even if it was, it also takes a while to get good when there's more movement options available.
For me, personally, the exploring and combat was what kept me. Some boss fights are bullshit, though, so keep that in mind if you still want to keep going.

>>714073158
>Some boss fights are bullshit, though
Not him but which ones did you think were bullshit?

>>714073238
I think the chandelier one? I almost broke my old controller over it.
Looking back, it's probably because I didn't have good badge combinations or didn't invest in slots for them. Idk. It's been a while. Every fight after that was a cakewalk until the moth.

>>714072974
>You didn't see the threads back in April.
oh trust me i did
its funny how people will figure out some bullshit reasons to hate on silksong even if its literally everything they said they wanted from hollow knight. more movesets, dashy movement, more color, etc, they still hate it on principle despite all that has been shown just because its tied to hollow knight
truth is almost all of these people are just joyless jaded contrarian faggots. you can bet many of them are insecure about admitting some of their games they like too

I liked the Metroid games but when I tried this game it just felt boring and tedious.

>>714055657 (OP)
Having ass music in your metroidvania should be considered an international crime

>>714055657 (OP)
I remember when i bought it i made it to greenpath, got lost and wandered into fungal cavern and died. Thought about refunding as i only had 1h 40min played.
After a week i came back and it clicked so hard i did everything the game had to offer.

>>714055657 (OP)
it only clicked for me about 4-5 hours in. I thought it was just an art meme until I took a break, came back, and got one of the mobility upgrades that made traversing the map faster and more interesting. The remaining 25 hours were some of the best I've had in years with a game.

Tempted to download it again and play some more just to confirm it still sucks and the "bro it gets good 20 hours in" shills are full of shit

>>714076938
>arriving at the game already expecting and hoping to hate it
>dismissing people enjoying (literally most widely played and well received game with the highest player retention in the entire genre) as dishonest shills even though there are literal millions more people who like this game in the world than any other adventure sidescroller
thats just not a mindset that is set out for actually enjoying things. you should always give this kind of stuff a honest unbiased shot without holding any preconceptions against it

Have some goddamn faith nigga. Theres a reason why this singleplayer game literally wont stop selling and keeps thousands in playercount. Theres a reason why the fanbase didnt just move on and lose interest in silksong after trying out all the new competitor games that keep coming out, unlike typical fotm/"babys first X" slop that tends to get discarded/superseded by something else

>>714077807
I have given it a few fair chances and got bored after exploring the first couple areas every time.
The artstyle is thoroughly unappealing.
Music either doesn't exist or is some plin plon garbage.
The combat is simplistic (which is to be expected at first), but isn't satisfying at all, and the stupid fucking knockback and effect fireworks every time something is hit are particularly annoying.
Metroids don't fucking need hours to get good, Igavanias don't fucking need hours to get good, motherfucking Megaman ZX doesn't fucking need hours to get good, and yet you faggots are insinuating you just NEED to get past the first X areas before it gets good?
Fuck off. I'm gonna play it, I'm gonna expect nothing but mediocrity like everything before and I'm gonna be fucking salty about it until proven wrong.
And (You) especially can go blow a wheelbarrow of dick with your retarded fucking marveldrone "argument".

I just have too many issues with the game to ever consider it more than a 7/10. The bland movement is by far the biggest sin since none of it is original. Everything about the way the Knight controls has been done better by better games (and that game is Mega Man X)

>>714079521
so what new games have you been liking lately

>have to buy basic map functionality
I'd have preferred not to remember this shit
>>714080776
Beyond Citadel is GOTY with no signs of that changing