Thread 714078084

Is he right, did Half-Life destroy FPSs?

>joined 2021
>larping as an oldfag
Doom brought nothing to gaming but a new engine and was quickly outdone by quake which in turn was outdone by half life.

>>714078084 (OP)
why are you reading old threads?

half-life 1 is better than doom

>>714078729
Quake was much more important for the development of FPS as a genre, even Doom 2016 has more elements of Quake than the original Doom

i can't believe was over there doing the same shit, kek

even people in that thread wonder what his problem is

>>714078084 (OP)
>comparing doom and Half life
>two completely different games in every aspect

Gamers are retarded

>>714078084 (OP)
Halo did.

Halo made slow walk speed the norm. It added shit vehicles. It added the two weapon limit and regenerating health so health placement and map design became shit, it also slowed the pace of games because it became 'duck behind cover to recharge HP before re-engaging'

every fps became consolized after halo

>>714079409
>Halo made slow walk speed the norm
Delusional. Slow walk speed was the norm in wolfenstein days

>>714079275
>Gamers are retarded
It's just a zoomer trying to larp as an oldfag. See >>714078729

>>714079648
NTA but I can kinda see how Halo was the nail in the coffin for the standard being slow walk.

>>714078084 (OP)
>Is he right
Yes
> did Half-Life destroy FPSs?
No

>ugh we hate moviegames so much
>except if daddy Gaben made them
okay /v/

>>714078084 (OP)
he's meme arrowing when not on kenyan bushmeat discussion boards so i hope he gets a prion disease actually

>>714078084 (OP)
>Is he right, did Citizen Kane ruin movies?

>>714078084 (OP)
>its reputation comes from journos and mods
spoken like someone who wasnt around back then lmao, opinion discarded larping nigger

He's right, all the ways Half Life was influential in were bad influences, not good.

>>714080646
Definitely, it showed shareholders a recipe for FPS that had broad appeal even with console controls and we ended up with a whole fucking era of slow ass FPS games that could be sold on any platform. But at least it looks like it has been turning around again the past years.

>>714078729
i'm a boomer (actual) and all of my accounts are new because i get banned constantly for shitposting too hard, account age doesn't mean shit

>>714080767
a game with no cutscenes can't be a moviegame.

>>714081436
Any game you don't like can be a moviegame if you're stupid enough

>>714081337
An actual boomer wouldn't give two shits about doom

>>714078084 (OP)
half life isn't gimmicky at all really
half life 2 is though

>>714078084 (OP)
All 3D games more complicated than Super Mario 64 were destroyed by dual analog controls. They're just not good, but are capable of tricking people into thinking that they are functional with enough simplification and handholding.
By that merit, Halo killed FPS games.
>>714081436
Needing to stand around or do nothing but walk around while people talk is still moviegame shit.

>>714078084 (OP)
>it’s a doom tranny
Kek, every time
Hey faggot, your boring ass shit games where all you do is collect keycards and open doors with 0 story gets repetitive after 1 hour
Kys

>>714081751
But the half life story is so poggerinoes!

>>714081590
there are lots of boomers that like doom (or at least wolf3d)
saying no baby boomers like doom is saying nobody plays videogames when they turn 30, it's retarded

I can't understand Half Life. I like Doom and Quake and Serious Sam and those games where you can jump into the middle of 50 enemies and with the right movements, prioritization of targets, and skill, you still come out victorious, but I play Half Life and a guy starts shooting me in the face and I shoot him back and I only win because I have more HP than him.
I even tried to understand the logic of the game, like throwing grenades to force enemies to move and while they're walking, you shoot them, and they keep walking as if nothing happened until suddenly they fall like shit on the ground because their HP reached zero, but I think it's all super lame and stupid.
I guess people who like more tactical stuff might like it, I don't know.
For me, Half Life 1 and 2 are typical Western games: kinda terrible gameplay, but focused on the interactive experience, immersion, simulation, etc. Everything Westerners love, and one of the reasons why they still don't know how to make video games.

>>714078084 (OP)
no
absolutely no
ps2 and sony killed for good pc games, mostly rts games
halo ce just ruined what's was left of old school fps at time

>>714078084 (OP)
Why do RPG cuckdex users presume to know shit about FPSes?

Why is it always Doom and never Wolfenstein? What makes one the pinnacle of FPS, favorite to boomers and zoomers alike, and the other is relatively forgotten?

>>714082201
Since nobody can define what an rpg is they switched to FPS games.

>>714078084 (OP)
Clearly talking about HL2.

>>714082316
wolf3d is decent but it's nowhere near the game doom is, doom stands held and shoulders above because of its controls, world design (mechanically) and enemy behavior, since basically everything doom changes makes it easier to play

>>714082335
Reminded me of pic related when Bioware said Call of Duty was their favorite RPG

There isn't a single single player FPS campaign with better pacing than Half-Life 2.

classic FPS was stagnating, and spazzos need to get over it.
Plus, Half Life was heavily inspired by Goldeneye, in the first place.

>>714082725
hl2 "campaign" is horrible

>>714078729
*Duke
Doom and Quake are actually both not that good in the grand scheme of retro FPS. They don't have fantastic levels, and Quake has really unsatisfying shooting.

>>714082561
Presumably iD built off of Wolfenstein to make Doom. The OG should be the one given all the credit, not the better spiritual sequel.

>>714078084 (OP)
>namefag forum screenshot thread

>>714083013
cope

no

>>714082597
>"Bioware said Call of Duty was their favorite RPG"
>screenshot literally says "they don't associate Call Of Duty as an RPG"

>>714082980
hey man you asked why public perception is the way it is
look at dmc3 having so much praise heaped on it while, largely, dmc1 and especially rising zan are both forgotten
people know the one they played, and they played the one that's easy and accessible, all there is to it

>>714083140
Read the rest of the line nigger
>we have data that shows there are a lot of people that enjoy playing RPGs although they won't call them RPGs. They'll play Fallout, Assassin's Creed and Even Call of Duty

Gamepads killed the FPS genre. Everything from core gameplay to level design was affected by that monster and its hellspawn.

>>714082939
The Quake and Unreal/Unreal Tournament series both moved online multi-player forward in massive chunks. Everything from early Q-spy to find games to just having community servers in general. The fact the maps or even game play can seem flat and basic now just show how far the FPS genre has move forward..
Half-Life was the early mega hit that showed everyone FPS games could be more than the basic pew pew multiplayer. It's strange to see someone try to claim early innovations were just gimmicks.
Give those early game's their roses damn it. Like I can't stand how CS made an entire gen only want to play CS. Yet I respect how the game is directly responsible for pushing team based FPS out to the masses.

>>714081436
Half-Life is highly cinematic.

>>714084190
>FPS games could be more than the basic pew pew multiplayer
Well yea, it's how they were on console long before Half Life, great single player campaign with a good story, great multiplayer.

>>714082316
Wolf 3D sucks, that's why.
Doom is a good game beyond its technology, Wolf 3D is not.
And people realized that back then. In the book Masters of Doom, the author comments on how some critics were saying that behind the initial good impression of Wolf 3D, there wasn't much there because the game was too simplistic. People kind of got tired of it too quickly, except for John Romero, who kept playing Wolf 3D instead of working, even when everyone else at ID Software couldn't stand seeing that game anymore.

>>714078084 (OP)
>>714079409
You're both half right, Half-Life popularized cinematic and "realistic" shooters and from that came both the Halo-like shooters and the MoH/CoD-like shooters.

>>714082725
Half life 2 pacing is dogshit, half life 1 has way better pacing

>>714084246
How is Half-life "cinematic"?

>>714085562
he's probably thinking of half life 2. given that he wont specify, almost certainly a shitposter.

>>714081751
I don't get these guys. Everyone agrees that Doom and Quake are incredibly fundamental to FPSs, but these guys spend that they are still the best, spending their days just playing Doom WADs.

>>714085562
NTA but seriously just compare the pacing of HL to any earlier FPS, the game never evaluates your performance, etc. It's not the most cinematic game ever but in the grand spectrum it's obviously more of a Cinematic Shooter than the genre's more arcadey roots.

>>714082725
>single player FPS campaign
>pacing
Kill yourself. I will pause the game when I need to. The game designer needs to fuck off and stop locking me in a room listening to cardboard characters gab about retarded shit.

>>714088074
Not every fps before HL was doom. There was also games like System Shock.

>>714088523
This guy is not well

>>714088957
even people on that forum call him out on his bullshit

what the fuck is a forum

Only DOOM 3 is good

>>714087704
Often imitated never replicated. Like if you just want something that Doom or Quake don't have then there you go. However, nearly every time I play something that feels like it's coming off either of those two it never hits as well. I'm playing Amid Evil lately and I get what they were going for with the Soul Power system but it just isn't as good as Quad Damage.
>>714088424
I'd never call System Shock strictly a shooter, but that still has less hands-on pacing than HL1 (HL1 simply starts with locking you in a box for 3 minutes for tone setting and visuals and you're either looking for that experience or you're not) while tracking your stats at the endgame and even putting a timer on you at high difficulty.

>>714078084 (OP)
wahh wahh DAE Doom only good FPS gaem????
retards

>>714078084 (OP)
No, it had better level designs, weapons, and enemy design than Doom or Quake

>>714081337
>i'm a boomer (actual)
So you are over 61. Just checking, people really misuse that word.

>>714079409
>>714079648
Imagine being this gay and this wrong. Halo is better than whatever dog shit slop you like. At least Halo 1-ODST.

>>714078084 (OP)
He's a retard, and it sounds like you're digging out of your old folder for a thread anon. WHat do you actually want to talk about?

>>714082939
Duke has some awesome level design, but I really don't like its gunplay. So many hitscan sponges with no stunlock make it aggravating.

>>714082597
That does sound like Bioware is intentionally loosening the definition since they NEED the cod audience this that shit was IN at the time and EA wanted that.

>>714084246
Gamers are so retarded they think having a story makes something "cinematic"

>>714084486
Just flinging shit at a wall to see what sticks.
Consoles only had Turok and GoldenEye over PC, and only GoldenEye did anything over any PC game at the time. Turok was decent, but only held visual flair over even Quake.

>>714085052
>John Romero, who kept playing Wolf 3D instead of working
You're corrupting the timeline!

>>714084486
You're not even that slow in halo, the FOV is just low and the jumping is floaty.

>>714086468
reminder this guy spent like 10 years making daily threads about this game here

>>714082725
every Halo until Reach has unironically better pacing than Half Life 2

>>714088523
>>714088957
i still don't know why he's so stuck on rpgcodex seemingly hating hl1

>>714091783
And its also a lie, they like haff life there.

>>714093272
i know. it's just a bizarre thing to obsess over.