Thread 714112718

They're called stylish action, shrimple as

Stop forcing this

Why is it always non-devs who push for getting this genre relabeled? If you want to claim supremacy, then go make the first 10/10 Indie cuhrayzee game. Then people will be forced to acknowledge your preferred label. Chop chop.

>>714112930
>caring what devs say

>the wonderful 101 is the greatest game ever made
>*ignores how shitty the constant minigames are*
>*ignores the shitty registration of drawing*
>*ignores the tedium of the enemy design*
>*praises the fixed camera because he literally cannot control a camera*
>*praises the vorkken fight despite it blatantly not following the rules*

>>714112718 (OP)
except they were never called "stylish action" (what is that faggy retardation even), they're called SLASHERS you dumb underage cunt

>>714113640
see >>714112890

Bro thinks he's on the team (ToT) (ToT) (ToT) (ToT) (ToT) (ToT) (ToT) (ToT)

>>714113983
>ToT
Raiden isn't cunny

>>714113674
>>714112890
genre names are not for devs to define

>>714114372
It's called Stylish Action, shrimple

>no itagaki webm non-playing schizo
>12:40am in russia
LOL

>play bayonetta
>all i do is
>pkp
>pppkkk
>ppkk
>ppkp
>pppkp
It's so samey, and those few combos are enough to get platinum combo
It's just lost its sheen for me and I've seen how bad it gets

>>714114864
Are you not using Air 360K? It's one of your best moves. It does a shit ton of damage and builds lots of combo points. Though, if you want to use it reliably, you have to learn how to buffer it. In order to do that, you have to spin the stick on the ground, then jump, and then press K immediately after that, as if you were trying to use ABK.

>>714115152
I haven't, but I've almost given up on Bayonetta
Doing Angel Slayer is killing my enjoyment, partly because it's so tedious to do the same easy waves over and over just to get a chance to practice the one I actually died at

>>714114632
It's "12:40 am" in many countries atm and Russia has many timezones. Hope that helps.
>>714114864
Bayo has some of the worst movesets in the genre. Doesn't help how offset literally punishes experimentation.

>>714112718 (OP)
They are actually 3.5D-4D 1v1+ fighting games but suit yourself.

>>714115391
F-four D?

Which is the best DMC to get good at? I've played through them all (except 4 because I'm not slapping beyblades around a fucking palace, what the fuck is that nonsense) on normal and they were all alright, decently fun, but none of them grabbed me
3 in particular was just tedious, especially towards the end, 5 was pretty good but too easy

>>714115295
That's kind of the point of Angel Slayer. It's supposed to be this arcade challenge type of thing. I personally like it. It is really challenging, though, which I guess someone might find tedious.

>>714115547
That I don't mind, it's just there's no wave practice select or even verse select to practice the parts I actually die at
>b-but it's like LE ARCADE
Yeah and that's the worst part of shmups, having to redo easy sections you can do with your eyes shut just to get a single chance to practice the section you died at

>>714115295
Oh yeah, I also forgot to mention, you should be using that accessory that heals you when taunting the enemy if you're not using it already. It's very, very useful for Angel Slayer.

personally i prefer 'technical action'
character action describes bascally every game ever and stylish just sounds gay and for dmc combo movie tards

I'm J-actioning off right now

>>714115512
Beat all of them on the next difficulty NG+ at least once.
If you mainly want crazy air juggles then play 5 more.
If you want crazy air juggles but also autistic levels of "tech" (glitches) where you have to earn the combos with ridiculous execution barriers, that was the meta that formed around 4.
If you like a challenging game and depth of playstyle/expression I'd say 3. 3 also does let you do some ridiculous combos but it actually has more complicated barrier to entry due to the stun system in that game specifically, DMD is meant to include enemies with limited armor.

>>714112718 (OP)
I've never heard anybody say character action until Maximillian Dood did for FF16's reveal, and then suddenly everyone was saying it.

>>714116212
Max "chinger changer no one is on my skill level in Xrd" imillian
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kogh458wMdM

It genuinely does insist upon itself

>>714116212
It's (unfortunately) a much older term, even among mainstream media.

I'm tryint to think of an acronym like ASSFAGGOTS but for this genre, that would more adequately describe it than anything else.
I thought of POOPFAGGOTS
Player on One + (plus) Fighting Action Game Going On Two Sides, but I think it's too unoriginal.

>>714115665
>Yeah and that's the worst part of shmups, having to redo easy sections you can do with your eyes shut just to get a single chance to practice the section you died at
While I think that’s true, permadeath is kind of what makes things like that challenging. If you could just practice a specific section over and over, it wouldn’t be as hard. I think that’s the idea on paper, anyway. You can say it’s poor game design, artificial difficulty, or just a waste of time, and I wouldn’t say you’re totally wrong. From what I’ve seen, most shmup players are fine with people using save states to practice, and even some modern shmup ports have practice modes built in these days. Anyway, I do think it would've been nice to have a practice mode for Angel Slayer.

>>714115665
That's one of the things Bayo 2 did better, the AS equivalent is broken up into 5 stages there.

>>714115665
Download bayohook

>>714117147
Here's another, POO+FTAS.
Play On One + Fighting Technical Action Slasher
Terrible but it impliments some of the other descriptors.

>>714117619
>>714117147
sweet jesus

Can we all at least agree that NG2 > NG1 > NG3RE?

>>714118149
NG1 is just snoozefest

Eww he replied to me, I'm gonna go take a shower...

>>714118149
>NG1

Better ninpo, better Ut, better enemy design, arguably better bosses

>NG2

glitchy as fuck, worse enemy design, worse bosses, worse level design

>NG3

It's its own thing

>any NG
>good bosses
lmfao

>>714118149
I like Black and 2 pretty equally.

Why can't Bayonetta parry as part of her normal moveset or at least a purchasable upgrade? It feels weird to have it relegated to an accessory

>>714120591
Kamiya thinks blocking is lame because it stops the action.

>>714121293
>because it stops the action
>but a million cutscenes and shitty minigames and unskippable sequences are fine
what a fucking hack

>>714118149
Definately not faggot, I enjoy all three games equally for what they are.

>>714118149
Not when you've got it entirely backwards from the truth. You can go play and enjoy your own game just fine without trying to pretend its more than what it is though.

>>714112718 (OP)
How many times do I have to teach you this lesson, old man?

>>714124213
>JAV
hey wait a minute

I'm losing my interest in these games because it seems once you're good enough, the enemies pose zero threat

what's the /v/erdict?

>>714124434
>mods
I'm not trans

>check in archive
>see some posts about how "bayonetta is bad because if you play it like dmc then you get punished" accompanied with a webm of someone spamming the sword into an armoured enemy
holy fucking shit LMFAO

>>714124465
Kneel
Modders > devs

>>714124789
>mods
Not trans, don't give a shit about mods
This is why I don't trust anyone on PC as well, who knows what faggotry they've done to their game in the name of "training"

Been playing with Lunar and noticed that enemies literally never block or dodge its X counter. Only exception so far is Regent. So weird.
Got to the third wave of UN 03 (the one with doppelgangers and Epigonos) almost solely off counters.

>>714118149
In terms of being most fun to play, yeah.

>>714124526
>using melee for its intended purpose is "playing like dmc"
keep looking and you'll find another clip where the same thing happens with that enemy's armor being stripped off lol

>>714125659
having been oops

>>714125434
With the exception of DS, most weapons have been put into the game without appropriate animations. For example, there is no delimb animation for some non-DS weapons and the enemy instantly dies, and it is possible to skip the finishing animation of bosses with non-DS weapons. NG3 is full of little quirks

>>714125659
>>714125717
>spamming PPPPPPP with shuraba like every fucking retarded noob
>hurr durr it's the games fault
LOL

>>714124526
I honestly think Bayonetta filters people the most out of these games, I don't know how else to explain how autistically upset it makes some people.

The problem with Bayo is that she's ugly. Tranny alien trying to act "sexy". It just spoils the aesthetic so everything that should look cool just looks meh so it just comes across as unsatisfying.

>>714126194
lmao what reddit post did you get this from

>>714125758
Not sure I follow. Thought they just died off HP loss sometimes, I've had the same happen with DS too.
Yesterday I was able to remove mage's leg with Lunar, now that was weird.

>>714112718 (OP)
Anyone else a fan of Scottish platformers?

>>714113326
He is right

>>714126281
>it's the greatest game if you just ignore everything bringing it down
Woah...

>>714113326
>>714126308
I don't remember him calling it the best game ever, he just really likes it

>>714125769
It's absolutely the game's fault that it lacks even the most basic hit reactions Melee combat is not just worthless, it's detrimental. Literally inarguable. Last (You)

>>714126883
He says it's the greatest game ever made and he would personally helm 20 more holocausts if it means a sequel got made

>itagaki webm faggot
Shan't be caring about you non-player

>>714112718 (OP)
>jerking yourself off on top potato enemies over and over with stupid flowcharts
>gay ass skill trees all over the place
This genre has 0 appeal.

>>714127063
All those skill trees like in...uh....Razors Edge...and...
Yeah ALL one of them

>>714124434
I don't understand why they'd mod inertia back into a game where the enemy step hitbox makes sense and isn't total horseshit like dmc4.
is it just a cargo cult thing where donguri is constantly using inertia (because otherwise dante literally can't touch the enemy step hitbox after a few reps on most enemies) and so ineria = cool and skilled because a guy who was cool and skilled used it a lot?

otherwise this is just the old DDMK mod but with an obnoxious new hud to make it more obvious you're style switching, right?

>>714126887
>it can't be played like muh press Y to invincibly awesome cutscene simulator or DMC so its shit
I see, true genius

>>714118149
1>3>2

>>714127254
> press Y to invincibly awesome cutscene simulator
what do you think torture attacks are

>>714127334
>press two buttons after you have successfully dodged and attacked and built up your magic to then perform an invincible attack as a reward
Not the same at all, but you'd have to actually play these games to know the difference, not just jerk off webms of a faggot NFT developer

>>714124336
Bros, what the hell should I play to avoid this? Where the better I get the better the game and enemies get, rather than the more of a punching bag they are?

>>714127462
Player higher difficulties or do no upgrade runs.

The levels of dishonesty are off the charts
https://youtu.be/rysBiZmYshk

>>714127462
God Hand.

>>714127390
you can't UT without standing there charging and getting slapped out of it unless you have essence from a dead enemy. they're both snowball mechanics. torture attacks let you farm magic on fodder enemies and then open up a tough battle by instantly deleting the hardest enemy

>>714124213
Now this /v coded.

>>714128037
>if you're good then you get rewarded in later parts of the game
>this is a problem because uhhhhhh bayo bad!!!111
I see I see

>>714118149
In terms of personal enjoyment, for me it's NG2 > 3RE > NGB.
If I were to rank them objectively, it would be NGB > NG2 > 3RE.

NGB just has the most polish out of all of them. It's the only game Itagaki/TN got to truly finish, and it shows. It's just NG '04, but made better in every way through everything TN learned with the Hurricane Packs.

NG2 is one of the best designed action games out there, but it is still unfinished, and it kind of shows at times. The final chapters, for example, are just pure dogshit. Extra costumes and Mission Mode had to be
sold as DLCs because they couldn't finish them in time. If it had gotten some kind of Black edition directed by Itagaki, it could've been the best one. As it is, though, it's great, but it could've been way better.

3RE is miraculously a fun game, but it is still built on top of NG3. Again, it is a surprisingly great game for how they basically had to try and turn something like NG3 into an actual NG game, but it also kind of suffers from that. For example, none of Ryu's other weapons feel anywhere near as polished as the Sword, because they just weren't supposed to be there, and TN just had to throw them in at the last minute. Like, f every weapon in 3RE had the same level of polish as the Sword, it could've been way better. There's not much that could've been done about it, though, given that the developers were just desperately trying to salvage the disaster that was NG3.

As far as my personal enjoyment goes, though, I just like how much faster and more offense-oriented 2 and 3RE are.

>>714128449
Courtesy of ChatGPT.

BamHam is unironically a good action game and most of the people who shit on it are misinformed about the game. It unironically has some great mechanics that could work really well in a j-action.
>You can't actually cancel your attacks into parry mid-animation
>To kill enemies quickly you need to do takedowns on enemies, which requires a long animation commitment
>Enemies attacks are actually really fast, in normal gameplay this prevents you from mindlessly doing takedowns, this also punishes the player who don't CC since you'll be surrounded by a crowd of enemies that all have a chance to attack at any second
>On hard difficulties they remove the counter pop up, this makes countering enemies a lot harder because the animations are very fast, some being unreactable and this again encourages you to CC and position yourself to read enemy attacks better
>The entire game is about encouraging the player to keep their combo meter up, as this gives a ton of benefits
It unironically has more aggressive enemies than a lot of other action games and if you had more manual control over bamham attacks and added juggles people would be praising these games a lot as serious action games.

>>714116212
Super Best Friends

>>714128651
>capeshit

>>714128764
>starts god hand in easy
>never uses spank

>>714128651
it would be much easier to react to attack animations if you fought anything interesting instead of 200 generic thugs throwing punches because dude batman needs to be realistic and if batman + cape pirouetting around didn't eat up a third of the screen space

>>714126308
But enough about NG2.

>>714128651
This. Unironically well designed system.

>>714128879
>expecting much from Woolie
Lol

>>714055617
You’re not wrong here. And I also think it’s a bit more nuanced. Vanquish, a really fantastic game, is more about third person cover shooting than it is about melee imo. I think the game wants you to shoot more, as ammo is abundant and melee drains your meter too quickly. I see melee as more of a finisher, or a hit-and-run attack in Vanquish. Wanted Dead in comparison is a little more balanced. One could make the argument that it has a heavier emphasis on melee combos, but third person shooting headshots (especially on bullet time) work very very well and it is crucial for getting out of tough spots. I’ve read many reviews that say third person shooting is useless in the game but I disagree heavily as long as you aim for the head. Gun upgrades make a big difference too. Ammo is provided just about the right amount for the 50/50 balance imo

I can’t comment on Devils Third as I haven’t played it, I dont have a Wii U. Although technically it’s fps not tps

>>714128651
But batman I had to sell drugs to pay for my wifes chemotherapy

>>714130225
>ammo is abundant
Not when someone as shit as me plays it lmao

>>714128651
If Bamham had a style meter instead of a combo meter that encouraged more variety in your moves and attacks it would be kino.
In challenge mode you're encouraged to use all of your tools since you get a "variation bonus" and it's pretty fun

What the fuck is the point of these threads? Every single one is the same 3 topics cycled through by the same 8 people with the same 5 games being discussed.

>>714130585
>what the fuck why are you guys discussing videogames instead of the sales figures of expedition 33

>>714118149
1>2>3

1 has the deepest combat and hardest difficulty

2 has the best set pieces

3..... best outfit for ryu ig?

4 will probably have the most customization in the series (for better or worse)

>the wonderful 101 is fantastic and rewards observant players
Oh sweet, so when I Guts against the crabs slam attack and it doesn't work, why?
>oh lol you can't guts that move because uhhh fuck you lmao
And many other exceptions
The most notable being in the first boss, with the first portrait cut in indicating you can morph to do a unique action, you have to time the swing
This is the first one, and it's the exception to the rule

>>714128651
It wasn’t horrible but the fact you are relegated to uninteresting car puzzles in arkham knight half the times really ruined it for me

>>714131307
hey same order as Bayonetta, interesting...

>>714131307
RE viciously mogs the first two so hard

>>714131312
>I Guts against the crabs slam attack and it doesn't work, why?
because its slamming down with a sharp point, which is consistently something that cuts up your pudding and doesn't let you use guts

>>714131697
>uh actually chud the blunt underside of this giant crabs claw is sharp because it just is
Kamiya apologists are grasping now

>>714131574
I'd rather play 3 over 2.

>if a morph doesn't come out then that means you've shot the wonderful one out of the gun and they're not in your team
Uh ok so how am I supposed to determine that?
>just try drawing the morph and hope it comes out lol
Another brilliant decision from Kamiya-sama

this thread sucks

>>714132298
>instead of improving the thread quality with a gameplay webm or interesting observation or question he just posts "this sux l0l"
Die faggot

>>714132349
>it's YOUR job to clean up the landfill down the street!!!!
nah

>>714132463
>enter thread
>instead of making a good post you just cry
>shit yourself when pointed out how retarded this is
Do zoomies really?

>>714132171
>Another brilliant decision from Kamiya-sama
That's funny as fuck so I agree.

>>714132750
>dude it's so fuckin EPIC not to be able to play the game
Will never understand W101 fanboys

>>714131607
>no nunchuks/vigoorian flails or tonfas
It's shit

>i have experience in [random rollslop] therefore i should be an expert in real action games
LOL

>>714134185
what do you consider non rollslop, other than W101

listen chud, you're just too stupid to understand Kamiyas vision
It's not that it was poorly made, horribly designed, literally contradictory, tedious or anything, no, simply no one GOT IT bro

>>714112718 (OP)
I will always think of these games as 3D beat-em-ups. There isn't much difference genre-wise between something like streets of rage or final fight, and something like dmc or bayonetta. The later feels like an evolution of the former after decades of refinement.

>>714134379
God Hand and Ninja Gaiden are 3D beat em ups. Bayonetta and DMC are 3D beat em ups with Tony Hawk-like scoring system

>>714134532
I could see that

>>714134379
>these games as 3D beat-em-ups
Not quite.

>>714134379
>There isn't much difference genre-wise between something like streets of rage or final fight, and something like dmc or bayonetta
Aside from a completely different philosophy in enemy design that promotes reactivity over anything else.

>>714134379
>>714134532
>these are the retards you have to discuss games with

>>714134728
I mean, age of empires and company of heroes are completely different games with completely different unit designs, winning conditions, goals and more, yet both are rts games. Street fighter 1 and tekken 8 are similarly different, yet both are fighting games. Or quake and overwatch, both fps

Lets freaking go just cleared my first UN trial. Wasn't even that unfun outside of the last wave.

>>714134978
Go where?

>>714114864
Ok then
Go and clear the secret angel level with your op strats
Ill be waiting

>>714135905
>doing angel slayer fine
>get up to section with 6 fairless and fearness come at you
That's when I dropped it
Those cancerous enemies, combined with the tedium of the mechanics, with the facts they can literally teleport around just killed my interest

>>714128651
The fundamental neutral game of the engagement is just way to solved
You don't have any freedom but you can get good at efficiently clearing the enemies. In that sense sure. But it just lacks unique moves that can be used offensively and defensively. The way you are just matching the pattern is to shallow. These enemies lack any sense of danger if you press the counter at the right time and use some light crowd control. It flows well and its a solid action game but it lacks the mechanical nuance to be character action. They could have made it more in-depth but they are selling towards a low iq mass market. meanwhile kamiya leaves Platinum games bcs they demand commercial products. He knows that the average gamer is a knuckle dragger that can't engage with deeper systems. Its why souls sells a billion copies by implementing a stamina bar that dictates the turn order to every idiot.

>>714134708
>not SotN
the sidescrolling/platforming are more important than the action (combat) itself. Classicvania is as action as og Ninja Gaiden, take that how you will.

>>714134978
>It wasn't even that unfun
This is the most NG fan base thing I've read lately

Fun fact: nobody ITT has ever gotten top ranks on the highest difficulty of any game

Fun fact: nobody ITT has ever played one of these games ever

>>714138790
It's true, I just like what mork likes, he's my taste-maker

>>714138790
I've played MGRR

ayane needs a burka hijab skin

>>714113326
>tedium of the enemy design
it unironically has some of the best enemy design in the genre. when the worst one is maybe the turtle, you got something good.

>>714138896
What does he think about Bayonetta?

>>714138984
He literally thinks it's a shooter and you can dodge for free with zero consequence
>inb4 le based he's telling it like it is
No retard, he hasn't played it

>>714139017
Oof, I'll have to stick to parroting Matthew.

>>714138790
I was playing NG2 earlier today.

>>714139142
Raspberry > orange marmalade > apple butter > strawberry > blue berry > grape.

>>714139361
Oh no anon...https://youtu.be/u-GH3QXFhP4?t=9646

>>714139428
>that's what they call it in KFC
is this why the food seethe is so high between us? Just a long list of colloquial misunderstandings.

>>714112718 (OP)
I dont care about Dante, Kratos or gay dragon guy
I like killing Gods by hacking and slashing at them

>>714139538
>I don't care about Kratos, I just want to do what he does

>>714139631
eeeeeeexactly
always hated his stupid goatee and his wolverine posture, but the games are fun, well they were fun before they became re4 demake with a throwable axe instead of a gun

>>714139760
That's because you're a bad man
We *clap* must *clap* be *clap* better *clap* men *clap*

>>714139760
I get it, but it sounds silly to not want to like the character your piloting, even if Kratos is associated with Snoydom he was initially pretty cool albeit stoic at worse.

>kratos
>stoic
So stoic means literally nothing now, like POV

>>714140063
When he's not pissed/angry, he's indifferent to the most friendly characters he comes across. He has no ounce of charisma, I'd call that stoic.

>mork constantly goes on about how EVERYONE HATED GOD HAND
>uses this as an excuse to shill actual kusoge like gungrave gore and wanted dead and ninja gaiden 2
But let's look at the actual spread shall we?
Of course you have IGNs review, but most scores range from 6-8, a pretty fair score for the game

>>714140197
The IGN review is the most memed on because of its reception on here and the comparison to more positive reception towards (Babiez on WII IIRC). But that, and the fact that Godhand was a gem before it was seen as poser-core on here, is why people cling onto that review for so long.
But I also know one bad-ish review in a sea of middling ones, isn't the defining factor.

>wonderful 101 flops on wii u
>uh n-nobody bought it, for some reason, but it's great trust me guiz!
>somehow it comes out on every other platform
>everyone plays it and realises it's shit
>now the narrative is NO ONE EVER understands it, it's not that the game is bad
lmaooo

has mork commented on W101 or do I need to keep waiting to have an opinion

>>714141243
It's an action game where you need actual skills and execution instead of memoslop, so he's going to say it's just a button mashing dodge spammer
Except for DMC 3, that one is totally skillful after he downloaded a full save

>>714112718 (OP)
It’s amazing how Miyazaki didn’t even try and he created a whole genre that no one contests what the genre name is. Meanwhile yahoo pizza man game have all the infighting on what the genre should be called in 2024+1 LMAO

>>714141395
But Miyazakis best game is 4A THOUGH?

>>714141341
>memoslop
speak ENGLISH

>>714141439
Shmups are memorization slop
We truncate this to memoslop

>>714141395
He made 1 game 6 times and got other people to make it too, it's not a genre.

What's a recent game most like Astral Chain?

>>714141243
>>714141341
w101 is an extremely simplistic, repetitive game designed specifically for toddlers, it's designed to never threaten the player while remaining extremely easy to fully grasp every mechanic instantly
if you're older than 5 and not bored by it you're genuinely (i mean completely genuinely here) a fucking retard, possibly with downs syndrome, no offense, respectfully

>>714141675
Yeah so imagine how fucking retarded Mork is considering he hasn't touched it despite being a supposed action game and niche game fan

Marlow Briggs is fine, but Hard mode was handled awfully. Relying on the enemy capturing to make the room to room DPS tolerable was aids. Animation cancelling with the Stone Scythe mildly fixed this.
And fuck the plane sections.

>>714141868
lol anon that's a joke game you get for $1 on the sale, not a real action game

>>714141616
i'm not sure what specifically you mean by this so i'll say v in dmc5

>>714141968
It's fine, even if it's priced as much as Bad Rats, I'll still say it's not Bad Rats quality. It has issues tho.

>>714141968
bro next you're gonna step at garshasp and ghost rider
the shitty gow clone genre will never lose

>>714136461
>But it just lacks unique moves that can be used offensively and defensively. The way you are just matching the pattern is to shallow. These enemies lack any sense of danger if you press the counter at the right time and use some light crowd control.
Not really true. At least in the first game there are enemies that require different strategies, not that they're deep. Dodging is unironically typically better than counters depending on the situation because dodging through an enemy will not only give invincibility and interrupt an attack but it gives you a lot of space. Countering does not do as much damage by itself and doing one will knock them down and again the real threat of the game is being surrounded by multiple enemies up close. You have to use stuns and movement tools to put yourself in a position where there isn't the threat of an up close threat who can hit you super fast and completely ruin your combo. In Asylum your offensive options are limited but at a minimum they give you a special throw or takedown when you reach a certain amount of combo, both are invincible and the throw can hit multiple enemies while the takedown just instantly kills an enemy you choose. I haven't played City yet but I know city adds more offensive options like a bomb you can plant after dodging or a combo takedown move that will take out any enemys knocked down.

The game isn't necessarily deep but it's mechanics all work well with each other. It's a very smartly designed combat system. The only other big action game that has an emphasis on fighting large amounts of enemies is NG2 and well, NG2 is mostly about spamming i-frames while bamham is the opposite.

Unironically I really want to see a game that takes the core of bamham combat and expands the mechanics and give you more manual control. Spiderman almost comes close, it's been a long time since I played that but I remember having more control over the context of your attacks and having launchers

>>714141751
He will be replaced.

>>714142257
tldr

>>714136461
>kamiya leaves Platinum games bcs they demand commercial products. He knows that the average gamer is a knuckle dragger that can't engage with deeper systems
nigger all of kamiya's games are the simple ones designed for children, yoi're an actual moron if you think viewtiful joe, okami, bayonetta and w101 are complex games
kamiya worship is more insane than kojima worship

>>714136461
>hits bong
Yeah man...Kamiya was just too...INTELLECTUAL AND DEEP for the average gamer... cramming action games with shitty gimmicks and shitty minigames and unskippable cutscenes and bugs and horrible grading and combat systems that fall apart at a high level, man...it's just his genius bro...

propping up bamham while shitting on ng2 is some advanced kind of bait

>>714142448
>>714142512
name a more complex action game than Bayonetta

>>714142572
>bayonetta
>complex
PKP
PPKP
PPPKKK
PPPKK
PPKKP
That's it

>>714142618
have sex already dude, this is getting tiresome

>>714142572
bayonetta is easily the least bad out of that list so obviously that's the one you pick, but god hand on normal and mgrr on rev both have far more interesting, varied and threatening enemy behavior

>>714142706
>name a more complex action game than bayonetta
Bayonetta isn't complex and here's proof
>uh yikes have sex incel
I would if Bayonetta was real
Too bad she's an unrealistic standard for women, being that she's beautiful, independent, intelligent, caring and motherly

>>714142738
Is MGR on Revengeance really that different? I liked my normal playthrough, but it felt very mashy and the only highlights were the bosses

nothing in the genre beats full pro codes kh3

>>714142448
>nigger all of kamiya's games are the simple ones designed for children
Okay what action games do you play because I guarantee it would be easy for me to call them baby games too

>>714142618
>back+attack
>attack x3
>jump cancel
>repeat

>launch
>XXXY izuna drop

>>714142910
>brings up ninja gaiden out of nowhere
I don't even like that shitty series but wow its mindbroken you

>>714142825
play on whatever you enjoy, but imo in mgrr, treat hard as normal, very hard as hard, and rev as a bonus remix mode
hard for raiden is fun, very hard is okay but revengeance is kind of a joke for raiden because parrying is just by far the best strategy
however sam and bladewolf are designed from the ground up for rev and absolutely shine on it, if you haven't played sam vr04 on rev, you haven't lived
it's like not having played god hand on normal, you just need to do yourself the favor

>>714142980
>DMC fan after DMCV obliterated the series' status
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo

>>714113326
Based Matt

>>714142980
I brought up DMC first then ninja gaiden cuck retard. It's very easy to simplify any of these games if you list out basic combos

>>714143034
Bro what?

>unlike in Bioshock Infinite, in the Wonderful 101 I don't ever have to see any fucking niggers spoiling the game
Wtf Matt

She deserves more spotlight around here

https://youtu.be/rSsy1LOTIFc

>>714131749
Sharp objects are sharp

>>714143205
You said she, but you accidentally posted a video by a man

>>714143229
>the blunt underside of a claw is sharp
I see
Now what's your excuse for the Vorkkie fights blatantly not following the rules?

>>714143205
LMAO
No
Look for better anon

Matthewmatosis > The Electric Underground

>>714143205
damn she cute

>>714142618
This post isn’t even wrong. You can buttonmash your way right up to Jeanne

>>714142910
>guarantee it would be easy for me to call them baby games
i've played all of kamiya's games, with the exception of dmc1 and bayonetta 1 they are expressly designed for children, which i'm actually completely fine with, but they all run for far too long for the shallowness of their mechanics
w101 for example is a game that an average adult should be able to master in about 20 minutes, but it's a 20 hour slog through all of the samey combat that never changes, never becomes more threatening, cutscenes using the exact same child friendly jokes over and over again, and then all of the side bonus content (puzzle rooms + the dlc i can't remember the name of, after school hero?)
okami is far worse, it's zelda if the entire game was trying to play itself for you
viewtiful joe is at least a bit shorter, but still too long for how simple it is

i like dmc1 a lot, bayonetta 1 i'm half on, non-kamiya games: mgrr, god hand, dmc5, rising zan, abalaburn, all fun, idk i like a lot of beat em ups even if they're simple, but kamiya's games are particular simple while running for particularly long, to the point that they frequently bore me to tears

the electric full save downloaderground
the electric must pretend any shitty game is secretly good because one time god hand got a bad review from a site no one ever respectederground
the electric im a third strike tekken virtua fighter veteran but no one has ever heard of me in the scene and i have no tourney footagederground

I've said it before, but what Kamiya needs is a tard wrangler
It's like Kamiya has a genuine genius half of his brain, but then he has a retard half of his brain and he can't tell the difference

>>714143458
If he shits on Elden Ring and Sekiro when he gets to them then I'm on his side.

>>714143572
I doubt he will
His Demons Souls video was absolutely hilarious, it's like he realised he built this fake persona and had to desperately cling to it, instead of admitting it's ok to like things
He copes with "a-actually Demons is JUST LIKE AN ARCADE GAME BRO because le routing le single segment runs"
It was embarrassing

>>714143523
>Kamiya needs is a tard wrangler
Capcom is his tard wrangler for the Okami sequel

>>714143523
We don't call him the George Lucas of vidya for nothing, although Itagaki and Kojima also qualify.

>>714143628
If Kamiya needs a single tard wrangler then crapcum need an entire tard wrangler organization made up of the highest level tard wranglers

>>714143572
>Critique channels are only meant to reinforce your opinions instead of challenge them.
Grim.

>>714143616
Was Demon's Souls inspired by Tower of Druaga in some way?

>>714143616
But those two are very popular while Demon's is forgotten and had a similar story to God Hand with the Sony guy calling it shit. It all fits right in his MO.

>>714143628
if capcom was going to tardwrangle for okami why didn't they do it for the first one
if okami 2 isn't a boring, slow, cutscene/tutorial fest that everyone hates instantly outside of the kamiyacult, i'll eat my hat

Alright anons calm down, that's enough shitposting

>>714143827
Noh yeht

>>714143827
This is like the 10th one of these threads this week, what the fuck do you expect
We should retire them until NG4 so we can shitpost about something new at least

>>714143857
When we have anons genuinely saying Demons Souls is an arcade game because Mork said so, then people here are either very susceptible to youtube bullshittery or they are so far gone in the shitposting hole they don't even know

>>714143794
Demon's Souls is not a gameplay-focused game though. It's more of an adventure that let's you experience unique locations, characters, and situations.

>>714143906
Wait really? Guess all the threads happen when I'm at work
This is the only one I've seen in the last week

>>714143724
Wtf else are they for, has anyone ever had their mind changed by them?

Uh no, it's an arcade game, because if it wasn't, then The Electric Underground would have to admit maybe arcadeshit died out for a reason

>>714143953
Ya but he makes the videos so he can ignore any of the various rpg mechanics and equipment options to help with fighting Flamelurker and pretend it's a pure arcadey action game. What are you gonna do about it, huh?

>>714144039
Arcade game design only works for very specific games. Like it wouldn't work for RPGs for example.

you guys care an awful lot about people you pretend to not care about

>>714144198
But we DO care about Mork, the greatest gamer who ever lived

>>714144198
Bog has arrived

Mork really is just a poor man's Matthewmatosis.

Also it's weird how he seethed so hard at Dark Ages, you'd think he'd enjoy it considering you can really pump the difficulty
He didn't make a video on Eternal either, CURIOUS

>>714144495
He's the Dark Souls 2 of video game critics.

>i had to stop
>enhance
>zoom
>enhance
>rewind
>play back
>double enhance 4k slowmo
>and i noticed
>the parry in dmc3
>had super armour
Woah...

>>714144571
It all makes sense now.

>>714144629
schizo

>>714144629
That was completely genuine too. He had no idea...

>>714128449
My problem with NG2 is honestly its presentation of the narrative. It's fine to have a light story, but I legitimately don't give a FUCK about any of the characters. Ryu Hyabusa has little to no identifiable character until 3RE.
It's a shame because I enjoy NG's combat more than DMC, but DMC stays in my mind for way longer than NG. It has cultural presence because Dante, Vergil, and co are all actual icons, even though only 3 and 5 have interesting (if straightfoward) stories.

>>714144669
He LITERALLY said this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc4M5SO9X9E

>>714144495
They're not comparable at all because matthewmatosis actually knows how to make a point and his videos are purposefully concise.

i've only seen 3 videos of this faggot and every single one he is stumbling around trying to explain basic concepts or filling the air with pointless shit. Terrible script maker, terrible opinions he parrots from here, and he fails to prove he's good at anything.

>parrying is SLOP and RUINED action games
>tee hee~ XD except when DMC does it *glomps* :3c

>>714145039
How many times anon
Everything not arcade is bad unless it's in a game I like which suddenly becomes arcade and the implementation is good

>>714145039
There's an actual argument here but someone like him doesn't know how to articulate that unless someone on /v/ explains it to him.

>>714145039
>*glomps*
What did he mean by this?

Why are NGfags such schizo autists? They don't even like their own series. They just like one Ninja Gaiden game and they hate all the other games/versions.
It's hard to see them as actual fans of the series when they all act like posers.

>>714145087
Wanted Dead and Stellar Blade all over again.

I actually didn't mind Morky in the early days when he was just a shmup autist
Around his Gungrave Gore review was the beginning signs, and then he just got so up his own ass

>>714145159
>like one ninja gaiden game
They literally don't even play their own series
It's why when I made threads asking about specific sections and tips, they died with a few generic replies saying "dude UT lmao git gud xD"
The itagaki webm schizo is the clearest example, caring more about being a fucking poser of LE HARDCORE BADASS BASED DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK XD, but that kind of idiocy is only cool if you're a braindead 12 year old

>>714145215
>Gungrave Gore
Did he defend that game?

>>714145275
anontachisamadono....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbsqOeyFZTM
>wow there's no way he defended anything worse than that piece of shit though right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH3xxSQnZXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMfPaxTBvNw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABS5KHMTekw

>>714145273
Why would anyone want to be a fan of itagaki when he is an unironic NFT scammer? That's like being a fan of Yuji Naka lol

>>714145402
Beats me, but I agree
Itagaki is a genuine liar, grifter and scammer
He couldn't even shit out a simple fighting game and the company kicked him out, rightfully, but people claim it was some epic 5 dimensional deception

>>714145402
>when he is an unironic NFT scammer
qrd?

I like cvit

>>714145273
>dude UT lmao
They're not wrong.

>>714145532
https://www.eurogamer.net/dead-or-alive-creator-tomonobu-itagaki-unveils-new-nft-focused-game-studio

>>714145593
>check him out
>first video is him using zoomiespeak about getting filtered by dark ages
Cool, thanks for letting me know another channel to ignore

is this the eceleb thread

>>714145652
But he makes videos on obscure PS2 action games...

>>714145593
He doesn't get brought up for a reason. That NG retrospective was enough to ignore.

>>714145690
small minds discuss video games
big minds discuss people who discuss video games

>>714145691
He's a tard
>most popular video is LE WACKY YUGIOH XDDDD
Don't even need to watch a video from that faggot

>>714145159
I like every Ninja Gaiden game except Sigma 2 and vanilla 3 though. I will probably like Yaiba when I get around to playing it too.

>>714145721
lmao

>>714145691
>obscure PS2 action games...
He likes Samurai Western kek. He shills shit games and is no different than Mork.

>>714145721
but what about the density of the mind

>>714145730
>LE WACKY XDDDD
2012 doomers, trannies and gentlemen...

>>714145730
>>most popular video is LE WACKY YUGIOH XDDDD
It was a different time...

>>714145690
No we already have one up >>714114301
We're discussing serious things here.

>>714145796
>>714145812
Not only is it a retarded video, but I guarantee he doesn't even play yugioh because he'll whinge about "sigh...it's not like how it was, it's changed with synchros and fiendsmith bro..."
Also he thought MH Wilds was good lmfao

>>714145793
What's the difference between game density and gameplay depth?

>>714145861
>makes up oddly specific head canon when the most the guy did was a Cinema Sins esqe vid on a 4kids dub
You're kvetching over nothing, you are the sad fucks that have kept 'LE' alive, but ironic seething. The type of person who will giggle at some things, but cry 'LOL XD RANDOM' on others to save an anonymous face.

>>714145793
big but shallow minds parrot matthewmatosis
big and dense minds let the wisdom of mork speak through them

>>714145985
Your videos are shit cvit, we can also tell from your le epic Guts profile, indicating you hate anime but don't mind LE DARK DOESN'T EVEN COUNT AS ANIME shows
Fuck off

>>714146008
what the

>>714146062
I'm also Eric and Barry and Ding Dong and Shadman, and Chris and James Rolfe. You're a massive faggot, be sure to complain about zoomer speak, but parrot new buzzwords ad-populum.

If he was right about anything it was that "Spectacle fighter" is the best name for it

>>714146115
I might be a massive faggot but cvit is Emperor Faggot of Assville

>>714146130
>yahtzee
>right about anything
>uh actually i DO have demons im a dark twisted fucking cyclepath
>ive got the comfiest job on earth and have had it for the last 20 years but sometimes i feel a widdle sad :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6TNoLiCjNs

>>714146115
Mayo? Is that you? There's no other tuber with such distaste to people's opinions.

Mayo is such a weird case
He's amazing when it comes to Doom but utterly retarded about anything else
He was completely correct about Ultrakill though LOL

>>714146308
what did he say about Ultrakill

>>714146359
HE THOUGHT ULTRAKILL SUCKED

>>714146152
>>714146247
Honestly
Cvit might be lame here and there, but Mayo is a know at all, Synthetic man is a retard, Gman is a shill.

>>714146403
damn fuck him (I haven't played it but /v/ says it good and it looked cool :))

>>714146424
*it all

>>714146424
At least they aren't as bad as Civ "this pixelated demonic plant girl is underage call the police for a game from 1998" vie11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q88AWQRHrQ
Not to mention the genuine schizophrenics of him referring to Katie, some robot, the glitches, like what the fuck is this

>>714146424
How the mighty have fallen.

So what video games do you guys like playing

how can indies make satisfying combat without a mocap studio

>>714146551
What kind of offtopic question is that

>>714146485
That wasn't anywhere as bad as you made it out to be. I know this is a cunny board, but that was a pretty brief "yeah I'm above weeb shit" comment.

I think Ninja Gaiden 4 will flop unless Platinum replaces the NG gameplay with something more normalfag friendly. They would also have to add MGR-like characters and spectacle because the NG games are too dull and tryhard.

Yeah I'm giving up on these threads for a while. See you after NG4 comes out.

>>714146616
Civvie you're a faggot, it's a fucking drawing of a demonic plant girl in a game old enough to drive

>>714146658
>I'm Cvit and Civvie now
Can I at least be Doug Walker next so I can hang with Santa Christ?

>>714146650
See >>714146619

>>714146682
Genuine autism

[STYLISH ACTION]
PROS
>coined by Hideki Kamiya himself, creator of the first DMC and first Bayonetta
>Capcom officially uses it as a genre classification for DMC4 and DMC5
>stylish right there first and foremost in the name making it simple for everyone to get what's the genre all about
>doesn't sound cringy and is on point

CONS
>Kamiya is bit of a sperg
>depending on who you ask it might exclude other hardcore action games such as Ninja Gaiden because they're not focused on being stylish and carefree

[CHARACTER ACTION]
PROS
>popular enough for people to know that it means hardcore action games such as DMC/MGR/NG/Bayo/GH etc.

CONS
>coined by Liam from Super Best Friends Play Youtube channel
>mostly used by reddit and other cringy cucks
>doesn't make any fucking sense
>why in the fuck is "character" there? when most of these game have multiple characters?
>fuck every single game has characters
>just a retarded and unclear title all around

[SPECTACLE FIGHTER]
PROS
>it has "spectacle" in the name which is nice and even more inclusive than "stylish" since Ninja Gaiden and MGR are not focused on style but still feature a focus on different spectacles

CONS
>coined by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw from Zero Punctuation
>then popularized by Total Biscuit in his DmC video where he shits on original DMC fans
>these games aren't fighters for fuck's sake

[HACK & SLASH]
PROS
>sounds kinda cool

CONS
>coined by couple of sweaty D&D neckbeards to mock the filthy casuals
>now used to describe Diablo clones
>also starting to be used by retarded gaming journalists
>isn't inclusive enough because you don't hack and slash people in things like God Hand and lots of these games feature maces or fist weapons that can neither hack nor slash

[CUHRAAAAAYZE]
PROS
>coined by /v/

CONS
>coined by /v/

>>714146749
I agree, the running joke that any opposition to kvetching echo chambers must be orchestrated by an E-celeb. At least /pol/ has confirmed IDF users.

>hating on her
She’s literally one of you

https://youtu.be/CdQX3a1JBl0

>>714146769
Can we unironically do Spectacle Action? It sounds good, makes sense, and is at least one step removed from Yahtzee.

>>714146573
Keep It Simple Stupid and remember more doesn't mean better.

Is Wo Long worth the money? People seem to flip flop on that game a lot, and it's hard for me to get a read on it.

>>714146828
I would never shoehorn my likeness into a game just because I'm a governement planted cumdump. Because I actually like games, this dork just likes attention which is the only womanly thing about him.

>>714146869
It's ok if you've already played Nioh 1 and 2 but if not prioritize those, or at least 2. I heard the DLCs suck but I never played them so idk.

>>714146769
CUHRAYZE

>>714146846
"Style" is better than "spectacle" because "style" is more active descriptor while "spectacle" is associated with passive action like observing.

Style will always be stylish hence cool.
Spectacle can be bad like a spectacular car crash.

>>714146924
>I heard the DLCs suck but I never played them so idk.
The Wo Long DLCs to be clear.

>>714112718 (OP)
Who's the 3rd guy?

>>714146828
You made the same mistake anon, you said she but posted a video of a man

>>714146950
This. Spectacle fighters are those gacha shit.

>>714146984
Raiden

>>714146984
That's clussy fever man

>>714146769
dmc is literally a rising zan copypaste, and zan is an action adventure

I just call them hardcore action games. This differentiates them from games like Dad of War. It's not perfect but it's draws a circle around most of what you mean without invoking meaning that normies or the uninitiated are unfamiliar with.

>>714147065
Fellow knower

>>714146403
Isnt his complaint just retarded shit about how the game has some mechanics it doesn't constantly force you to use? Even though all difficulties hadn't been added at the time he played it
The fact he loves Eternal so much is quite telling

>>714146924
I have Nioh 1 and 2, but I've only played 1. 2 is on my backlog behind NG3RE and DS3 currently

>>714147074
>HAG
THIS

JUST action games

>>714147140
Nioh 2 hardmogs both of those

>>714147065
Adding to this, SotN feels more like a good framework for DMC1 than the 3Dvanias that followed. Especially given DMC1 has RE4 in its DNA, and Resident Evil takes a lot of cues from Metroid (at least in how it handles progression).

>>714147015
Ah, okay, I was wanting to try MGR some time soon after recently finding out about it. Never got into MG games because I hate stealth for the most part, unless it's like Tomb Raider or the archer build I used in Skyrim.

>god hard in vanquish
>1-3
>after many many many attempts I finally have a decent system for getting rid of the two romanovs at the start
>as soon as i move position i get sniped by the TWO snipers
>if i take out the snipers first the romanovs fire their lazor and i die
Jesus this game is balls hard

>>714147140
Well don't bother buying Wo Long until you're done with those 3, it's basically a watered down Nioh 2 x Sekiro anyway.

>>714147197
anyone ever notice that DMC1's ending is almost beat for beat identical to OOT's

>>714147395
OoT, as in Ocarina? If so, no?

>>714147395
Anon...
You think it's a coincidence the item that makes you invincible is a star? You think it's a coincidence there's a whole section like the lost woods?

>>714146950
You got memed by combo videos and think that defines the genre. When the real connecting tissue is Performance Review.

>>714147447
yeah, like you fight the big bad, then you reunite with the girl and escape the crumbling castle, then he bursts out of the rubble as a monster and you finish him off with a special final hit
ok maybe it's not beat for beat but it always reminded me of it

>>714147562
>spam Holy Waters
I must be good then.

>>714147584
A fake out, a self destruct/crumbling castle and a resolution have been in many hero journeys.

>>714146869
It has its issues but is still overall a great game. It just has unfavorable comparisons to the other recent Team Ninja games but many people don't even make any attempt to figure it out to even recognize its own distinct strengths and weaknesses. It also got a lot of updates since release which helped it out, and like with all these games the DLC is mandatory for how much it adds.

>>714147687
Hm, I see. I'll consider keeping it in the steam cart then. Currently, I have:
>Wo Long
>Slave Zero X
>Stranger of Paradise
>BURGGUIST
I'm assuming either SoP or Wo Long is more worth to get first

>>714147687
If they never patched out morale then I would contest it being called "great"... I'm fine with them trying to stop players from running through levels, but couldn't they just lock shrines behind enemies like Nioh 2's Dark Realms?

>>714147781
Remove SZX bro. Shit is trash.

>>714147781
Refund Slave Zero X, it's shit
Stranger of Paradise is kino but it's a messy sort of kino. Nioh 2 is like a gorgeous beautiful 3 story wedding cake, while SoP is like a giant bucket of tasty treats just thrown in
>that makes no sense
Maybe I'm just hungry

>>714147893
>>714147913
What's so bad about Slave Zero X? It's just sitting in my cart. I haven't bought it yet.

>>714148027
Imagine the most obnoxious twitter/tumblr gender faggot that is e-celeb obsessed. Now imagine they made a game

>>714148027
Devs had no clue about the fundamentals of these games.

Sakuna absolutely dunks on Nioh diablosoulshit, Ninja Tardin & DMC

>>714148135
You listed websites and not points, I can understand a game being reddit or tumblr in writing or aesthetic but I don't see how that relates to combat.

I prefer playable Vergil in 3 to him in 4 or 5, there I said it. He just felt more like a real designed character and was a tad less OP (if you don't spam aerial rave JC). The later versions just feel like they slapped on every attack they could think of and a lot of them don't fit his character imo.

>>714148224
Oh dear
If you don't understand how horrible aspects bleed into other aspects of the game then you're as stupid as civvie11

>>714148140
could you clarify?

>>714147781
SoP has some similarities with Wo Long but I feel it achieves much of what the game wants to do far better while also having much more to offer as its own thing. It's severely underrated and one of their better games. Since you mentioned Nioh 2 and NG3RE, I would also say Wo Long is behind them as far as priority goes, but again this isn't to say that Wo Long is strictly bad because it's very good overall and worth playing, it's just in the company of some of the best games out there.
>>714147887
Morale is a pretty shitty system but that's not why, also they already do lock their shrines behind enemies.

>>714148263
>not getting 4chan vs. other website dynamics is indicative of anything
anon, calling something "reddit" here means a plethora of things that all come back to "thing so bad a redditor would like it". At least "Tumblr" would imply calarts, vitligo and colored hair walking sims. In the context of an action game, you've lost me unless we're talking about that Justin Roiland game.

TLDR; stop relying on chan speak so hard you massive roody poo.

>>714148391
>load up action game
>first thing we see is a youtuber voice credit
>first thing we hear is how the protagonist is bisexual

>>714148284
>musou enemy design
>no grab in a bump is shameless
>implemented mechanics without their utility
>taunts do not anger enemies or refill meter
>inconsistent hitboxes
There's more but game is not worth.

>>714148441
Could've opened with that, unironically.

>>714148334
>also they already do lock their shrines behind enemies.
Don't remember that but it's been a while since I played it, so wtf is the point of it then?

>>714148161
i like the combo system in this game but the leveling/stat system gets in the way of it too much

someone list me so lesser known games in the genre that i should get from the steam sale. thingss i already have
>samurai jack
>wanted dead
>captain blood
>soulstice
>clash
>evil west
>gungrave GORE
>werewolf the apocalypse
earthblood
also, nothing in early access. so no
>mahou arms
or anything of the sort.

>>714148643
you could try Devil May Cry 5, it's a bit of a hidden gem

>>714147597
>NG++++++++++++++
>Finally saved enough orbs for no sword run

Is Ultrakill cuhrayzee enough for the cuhrayzee club?

>>714148960
NO

FUCK OFF ALREADY REDDIT SHOOTER NIGGER

>>714148960
yes

>>714148529
There's a lot of possible reasons, it gets them more value out of the enemies they've got and lets them have different areas with more dynamic visible difficulty within the mission, adding a sense of progression in each one. It was just implemented and balanced horrendously so it exposes more deep-seated issues throughout the game with many aspects made a little worse because of it. It only really starts sticking out once you analyze it more closely though because in most cases the game caters for your morale level naturally, otherwise it's just making the early game damage inflation even worse for much longer.

What exactly (in detail, not meme phrases) is a reddit game.

>>714149152
A game without soul, unless it's a soulful game liked by reddit.

>>714147584
guy who's only ever watched boss baby watching his second movie
>getting some real boss baby vibes from this

After a mere 65 deaths not counting the probably 50 more the game didn't count because I turned off the console and about two months I finally beat 1-3 of Vanquish on god hard
Now just the rest of the game
I have to say, the game really shines on god hard

>>714148643
how many times anon, Oneechanbara Z2 Chaos

>>714149334
ok smart guy, name 5 things with that ending

>>714149480
OoT
OoT on 3DS
OoT on New3DSXL
DMC
Twilight Princess

>>714148643
if you're just looking for anything in the genre, or genre adjacent, consider emu'ing some stuff if you haven't, there's some fun ones (the actually good stuff is well known though) that have flown under the radar, in no particular order x men wolverine, rising zan, abalaburn, ghost rider, dante's inferno, castlevania lords of shadow, undead knights, bounty hounds, rengoku, etc., etc.

>>714149509
fuck its over...

>>714149413
>boobslop

>>714149628
What the hell does that mean

>>714149480
the thing
terminator
alien vs predator
halloween
friday the 13th
a nightmare on elm street
terrifier

>>714149701
What fucking version of Terminator did you see

>>714149701
that's not 5 you idiot loser

>>714149413
been meaning to play the oneechanbara games. i always pass over them during sales though because i don't want to put them on my wishlist out of fear of my coworkers judging me.

>>714149983
>wow anon likes hot girls what a fag lol
Seriously?

>>714149649
i'll simplify, simplistic game that relies on boobs as its core appeal but also fears actually showing you the boobs because they have to play it safe for mr advertiser-san, hope that clears it up

>>714150085
Except it's a genuinely fantastic action game with more engaging and deep combat than anything Itagaki has shat out, with customisable outfits for hot girls
It's the perfect game
Oh and it filters redditors, HARD

>mentions Itagaki for no reason
Yep, it's seething time

>mentions an action game "developer" in the action game thread
Woah

Itagaki WARPED you

>>714150482
Hi newfag, to reply to a post just click the post number

Boobslop: Bayonetta, Stellar Blade, etc
Real action games: DMC, NG, Souls, etc

>>714134978
Mad props nigger, which one?

>>714149040
even when trying to make the game look cool half of this clip is just punching shotgun bullets and shooting at coins because thats all you can do if you want to kill anything but the weakest enemies in a decent timeframe. turbo overkill is way better because the level design isn't a series of tiny box rooms with nothing in it

Don't forget Hakita literally changed the art style because his discord buttbuddies said so

>>714150023
more like my friends are all uber normies and have some of the worst takes on sexuality and gender roles.
>judged me hard for sleeping with coworkers
>judged me hard for sleeping with a woman a few years younger than me (she was 22, i'm 30)
>always make comments about sexploitation when watching old horror movies
>friend saw my dragons dogma 2 pawn and started making comments about it (big titty giantess redhead)
i don't need them seeing me wishlist oneechanbara. it just does not invite anything good into my life.

>>714150808
>all lowercase
>takes
>normies
You are not 30
You are a bitchmade 16 year old
Just play the fucking game

>>714143616
>Demons is JUST LIKE AN ARCADE GAME BRO
Chat, is that real?

>>714150808
These don't sound like friends at all.

>>714150985
Dude....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-83EqVZD1E

>>714151152
you gotta learn how to do timestamped links my man

>>714151037
Coworkers are not your friends
Coworkers are slimy, bitch-made, faggot snitches that will fuck you to death to get ahead
Do not my friends trust your coworkers

>>714148643
Hellboy

why'd they make king cerberus just better DSD

>>714151152
>1 hour vid
Yikes!

>>714151179
He continually says it, watch the video

>>714128651
yeah it's fun, better than devil mid cry

>>714146424
>Gameplay first personas are complete posers
Explain this

I've never seen a thread devolve into eceleb shit then almost completely recover like this one did, I am shooketh

>>714151437
Just the skills of action players at work

There are two types of gamers. Combo mashing brainlets & then there's me

any tech for ds3? 4chan told me it's the best action game ever

>>714151516
wut?

>>714151518
secret technique: mash the roll button to avoid ever getting hit then mash r1 to stunlock things to death

>>714151518
dead space 3?
it's shit

>>714143458
>the electric im a third strike tekken virtua fighter veteran but no one has ever heard of me in the scene and i have no tourney footagederground
I fucking hate this, such a poser

>>714151402
Because there are "gameplay first" personas, and then there are "my gameplay first" personas. People who define quality strictly as the thing they like while damning anything that doesn't fall in line without being able to sensibly explain why, or use games purely for their ego and as an advertisement for themselves. You can tell these people apart from those who are simply outspoken by using a little pattern recognition and getting more broad experience with games yourself.

For me it's youtubers calling anyone who dares get good a "sweat"

>>714151587
dark souls 3
obviously

>>714151636
>define quality strictly as the thing they like while damning anything that doesn't fall in line without being able to sensibly explain why
Sounds exactly like Mayo & TEU

What's weird is you'd expect these people to be open to a variety of gameplay experiences, but they really aren't

>>714151516
We get it, you like eating shit.

DmC DE is actually pretty good

>>714151824
>true enjoyer of these games
Find me one. I'll wait.

>>714152010
No it is not
Hardcore mode is an unbalanced mess, lock on is useless aside from better stinger input and being able to see enemy hp

>>714151516
We get it, you like eating shit.

>>714152083
Mork

>>714152083
Everyone ITT bar a few people love the genre and, perhaps controversially, love videogames
Most youtubers don't love anything except money and they need to make content
Not informative, well made videos, but LE CONTENT

>>714146573
A good action game doesn't need crazy stuff like this.

iirc there is also tech now that is able to take a basic model skeleton and match it to just plain video footage, theoretically you could just take footage off of youtube and use that to try and match the animation and fix up any weird stuff

>>714146769
>No J-action

>>714144107
I said this basically in another thread earlier. Mork is equipped to talk exclusively about real-time input mechanics because that's his bread and butter as a shmup / action game player, but his critique is fundamentally flawed because he's blind entirely to
>storytelling through mechanics because he doesn't into video game stories
>rpg mechanics because he hates progression in action games
>level design that isn't just corridor spacing because he hates downtime
>art that isn't just a binary good or bad judgement
>mechanical variety because EVERYTHING IS BETTER WHEN IT'S A STRAIGHT SHOT ARCADE GAME SCORED AT THE END
I appreciate his videos because his flaws legitimately make him a genuine person with genuine tastes. It's just clear that his opinions aren't law or the last word on taste. I'm sure most people here agree with some of them to some extent, but he triples down on them to the point where it's comical.

>>714152554
Anon are you telling me someone on 4chan of all places is being hyperbolic about someones reasonable opinion?
I doubt that would ever happen

>>714151771
You'll notice it applies to a vast majority of people, including in these threads.
>>714151824
True adaptation is a lost art that has been consistently pushed out of how most people approach games, both by how games are designed and the way people act about them. Looking inward when faced with challenge and actively aiming to improve is strictly forbidden and shamed by those who are terrified of that spotlight falling on them lest they lose the clout they insist has no meaning only to give it one by their projection. So they continue to lie about anything and everything to maintain the stagnant image and tarnish others.

>>714113326
>*ignores the tedium of the enemy design*
>*praises the fixed camera because he literally cannot control a camera*
So why do people say DMC3 is peak when the second half is so obnoxious?

>>714152801
Because they played it when they were 13

>>714144881
fuck, did he just learn about royal release?

>>714153090
Royal release is super duper triple esoteric hidden tech only passed down from the Japanese elites to other god gamers

>>714153136
true. it's said that itagaki first knew about royal release before even itsuno realized it was in the game.

>>714153090
He must've downloaded cleared saves since the beginning. The basic tutorials never popped up for him.

>>714153304
sometimes i wonder if Mork would even know Dante's name if it wasn't part of the title in the highest difficulty mode

>>714150224
I thought origin was the good one. Which should I play?

>>714152554
it all comes down to shmup poisoning making someone like him think video games can only be entertainment if something is on screen that makes you do something every .2 seconds

>>714153501
Z2

Itagakino

>>714153586
>7th gen sloppa on the menu
Nigger.....

>>714153506
I trust Mork to explain to a casual audience why a game like Nier Automata isn't a super interesting action game, but I don't trust him to understand why Yoko Taro's games are so beloved despite all having anywhere from dogshit to clunky-and-repetitive gameplay.

>>714153705
>, but I don't trust him to understand why Yoko Taro's games are so beloved
Weebs have no taste
What else is new

>>714153506
Remember! You can always use The M Word to talk about Bad Game Design, and you can always use The A Word to talk about Good Game Design.
No, ignore the fact that arcade design became more niche even in Japan! Ignore that people moved to home consoles to try and extract the value out of arcade design while also making different games that people like!
I genuinely think Mork is unable to see why a game like Shadow of the Colossus is so loved. He'd call the quiet time searching for the beasts a fundamental flaw from modern game design because he just wants to keep slaying monsters back to back.

>>714153586
>Cherry picks the only good looking level

>>714153780
true, you're in a thread dedicated to weeb slasherslop

>>714153929
>slasher
I don't see big titty teen girls with manface chased by a voyeur in a goofy mask

>>714153780
Go back to your soulsborne goon sesh general. Homosexual

>>714151516
>>714152010
dmc:dmc is actually not terrible, it's not particularly deep and it's very easy, but it's funny and has a reasonable runtime, it genuinely blows out garbage like w101, viewtiful joe, etc., i give it the greenlight and recommend it as part of the cringekino genre

>>714154209
>goon sesh
@grok, decipher this niggerspeak

>>714154281
Too much platforming

>>714112718 (OP)
I call them hack and slash games.

>>714153865
Beside your point but I always found it funny that SotC has a time attack mode

>>714154641
platforming isn't a bad thing

>>714155831
It's just a DMC5 player complaining again. Don't mind them.

>>714155924
Actually I'm a Maximo player

>>714153541
How is Z2 better than Origin?

I want to like wanted dead. Can someone post some gameplay to convince me to play it again? Last time I didn't beat the first level before uninstalling. But I still feel like there's something there.

>>714156652
More soul
Better mechanics
Deeper mechanics
More interesting enemy and levels

>>714156804
>More interesting enemy and levels
Not a high bar

>>714156521
Based asf

>>714156652
not that guy but origin is a remake of the first 2 games that's why it's streamlined, less characters, and the movelist is smaller than Z2
you can just play origins first then proceed to Z2
there's also Z1 but you can't really play it unless you have a 360 or ps3

>>714127462
Fighting games pvp, obviously.

>>714158602
LMAO

>>714128651
I'd claim the same about Shadow of War. Now that's a game that takes the bamham combat system a step further into pure action. Finishers in that game are satisfying as fuck.

>>714130225
I don't know what that other guy is talking about, Vanquish is not at all about melee, considering that using your punch just one time overheats you immediately.

>>714154998
Only the most hardcore gameplay from the twisted mind of Itagaki

>>714152083
I am hear
ask me anything

>>714124336
post ng2 mn, dmc3 dmd, bayo1 non stop infinite climax, nioh 2 way of the nioh no damage run

Since this is the Eceleb thread I'll post this here
>Find a youtuber who actually makes good videos about action games
>mfw he retired years ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUAclnNiusw

>>714153865
Mork can't see the increasing complexity of games over the years. He'll also ignore the fact that all the bad trends in gaming started in arcades. And that includes cinematic games

>>714160926
always found it funny how all of the movies that play during executions and UTs in NG2 get a pass from Mork, but it's a sin to want to explore a level without hitting the attack button for like 2 minutes before getting back to fighting in an arena

ok broes just cleared scarlet nexsus whats next

>>714161391
UT post NG1 are such a downgrade.

>>714161856
NG2 UT is fine, especially since combat is so relentless in that game, but I agree that NGB and NG2 both have mechanics that the other does better

>>714163481
Look at how they butched up the OT lunar. In NG it was a good crowd control tool but in NG2 it's just another i-frame button. And the worst part is that with NG2/3's combat engine an NG1 UT and Ninpo give greater combo potential than the UTs in his games, which are just finishers and lock you out of combat. And it's also more unsafe than NG1 UT. If NG didn't have the patented dumbass sixth generation puzzles the game would be 10/10. The puzzles are okay until you bump them up to hard difficulty.

>>714163830
this nigga never figured out how to do on landing 360s lmfao

>>714163941
Mork moment

>>714163830
>Ng1
>puzzles
Retard alert

>>714163941
NG1 Lunar UT is a hurricane and with their combat engine and their better understanding of 3D combat. They could just make you cancel out of the hurricane. In NG2/3 the animation is a finisher, you're stuck in the animation until it finishes. Without much control over where you land after it ends. Look at how Capcom and Platinum/Clover implemented the same hurricane move. In addition to i-frames it can even be used in the middle of combos or in later games to startup combos.

>>714164169
>NG1
The game has the patented sixth generation indiana jones boulder moment. And I'm referring to the dreadful water stages

>>714138920
Ayane is in Kingdom Hearts?

>>714163481
Some UTs in NG2 last about 10 full seconds. Most of them are around 7.

>>714164316
>water level
>puzzle
Do you call anything that is not a straight line a puzzle?

>>714164316
You must be over 18 to post here.

>>714152430
That pasta is not even old yet it predates "J-action" which tells you all you need to know about the legitimacy of that label

>>714164316
you are 100% correct and the other two guys are just as blasted shills

>>714164521
You're counting too fast, I just checked. They're all 5 seconds long, except for the flails and the regular non 360 UT on the dragon sword - these are 7 seconds.

https://youtu.be/mnw8cny0v88?si=MNeVMPwp7r-dKfwf
thank me later

>>714158721
I'm gonna get around to it but when I tried looking up gameplay it was a lot of people just killing multiple enemies at once seemingly very easy, also I feel like part of the magic of bamham has to do with batman being "non-lethal" which leads to the knockdown situation that doesn't allow you to fully kill an enemy without committing to an animation.

I did start City last night and was impressed by some of the new stuff you could do right away and how the combat feels even faster. Though hard mode doesn't disable the counter pop up for some reason? I looked it up and they only disable it on NG+.

It has arrived.

>>714164316
>And I'm referring to the dreadful water stages
Fixed in Sigma btw, completely streamlined so the level takes very little time, running on water controls are made easier, and they even throw in a fight with brand new enemies on water which is fun thanks to better water controls

>>714169151
>Sigma new shit
>good

No thanks

>>714169302
>no counter
I accept your concession

>>714168931
Yeah, the mooks are easy to kill, their sole purpose is to fill up your super meter, which you then dump on the captains.

>>714117270
shmups would unironically work better as rougelikes or with more elements of randomness in general. I feel like permadeath games are at their best when going above and beyond during early sections rewards you with more power/lives for later sections you struggle with, so it doesn't feel like wasted time and forces you to be attentive at all times.
A lot of shmups have stuff like boss breaks and staggering enemies for score, but i feel like it isn't enough if that part just becomes brute memorization anyways

>>714170823
Good shmups already have patterns of enemies and bosses be semi-random.

>>714114019
but he has a cunny

>>714172909
good shmups have a mix of iconic set patterns and semi-deterministic "positional" patterns (ie they target the player and move according to where you are). i can't think of a good shmup off the top of my head that has straight up random patterns though

>>714160926
Mork already countered by saying not all complexity is adding depth or improving the game.

>>714175338
...in an incredibly narrow criterion of depth. He's completely blind to depth that isn't in service to making the rollercoaster faster.
You can have great platforming challenges in your action game, and he'd complain to hell and back despite a good platforming challenge inherently being about the depth of your fundamental movement options

>>714148960
Better Question
Do we have ENOUGH guns?

>>714175940
asa my beloved...