hes not in Battlefront 2 ?

>>714114126 (OP)
how can your fav jedi not be Luke?

>>714115849
Because its Old Ben

For me, it's KENOOOBIIIIIIIAAAAAARRGH

>>714114126 (OP)
I watched the Phantom Menace in theaters last year for the May 4th thing, and holy shit it was such a boring slog of a movie.
Liam Neeson was the only saving grace, Qui-Qon should have gotten his own solo movie.
What made it worse was everyone in the theater unironically started clapping when the movie was over.

For me, it's Ten Inchi-Dong

>>714116861
Qui Gon fucking sucks though. He's a lazy stupid hippy retard who drags out the movie by an extra hour and a half by being an idiot and he's also shit at fighting.

>>714114126 (OP)
Obiwan for being the shelf insert Jedi.
Yoda, if not prequels.

I wish George Lucas directed the Star Wars sequels so we could see microscopic battles between the light and dark midiochlorians swimming around and trying to lyse eachother with protein lightsabers.

>>714117662
That without any scarcasm is an objective improvement.

>>714114126 (OP)
For me, it's literally me.

Why is disney star wars so fucking shit? How is that possible? they are doing it on purpose

This nigga because his design is cool as fuck

None they're all faggots I'm a SITH LORD!!!!

>>714118030
Disney is shit. Has been for years and years. Almost all TV is shit.

>>714114126 (OP)
i'm sure he's glad he died before disney turned him in to a tit sucking clown for the mary sue

>>714116861
>What made it worse was everyone in the theater unironically started clapping when the movie was over
Oh boy back when it first came out people certainly weren't clapping lmao

DUN DUN
DUN DUN
DUN DUN

>>714117997
He's literally me except the fact that I have no piloting skills, no martial arts training, and no jewess waifu.

>>714114126 (OP)
This is peak star wars and why Luke is the peak Jedi.
Often imitated, never topped.

star wars galactic battlegrounds definitive edition fucking when?

>>714119278
I had all those things...a long time ago...in a galaxy far, far away.

>>714119572
>peak star wars scene going on while the gayest star wars battle is happening outside
what did george mean by this

Starkiller. Literally the only Jedi who is not a pussy.

>>714119719
>A jedi selflessly carries everything while some worthless dipshits flail around

>>714119719
He did it in TPM too.

>>714116031
>create the most powerful Jedi in history bar the immediate Skywalker descendants and their kids
>he ends up doing fuck all
Wasted potential the character
>>714116861
TPM isn't as boring as it is fucking pointless in the grand scheme of things. Prequels should've started with AotC

Shaak Ti!

>>714119987
TPM is way better than AOTC though.

>>714120042

>>714116861
Based audience. Everyone knows Phantom Menace is a classic.

>>714119615
Already exists and its free
https://www.moddb.com/mods/star-wars-galactic-battlegrounds-expanding-fronts

>>714120070
AotC needed a better pacing and less cringe romantic scenes, and it would've ended up a decent movie because at least something worth of notion happens there.

>>714118275
Should have taken more flying lessons.

>>714120156
Uhhh she only dresses like that because Felucia is hot

>ACK!

>>714120042
built for shock therapy

Why dont they make a game with Obi Wan and Qui Gon set before episode 1 just doing random shit? It doesn't need any Sith stuff. Just have them fighting crime lords or whatever.

>>714120667
Every day we stray further from Genndy Wars

>>714120828
Pre-Phantom Menace and between Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones are time periods that should be explored more.

>>714114126 (OP)
Plo Koon.

>shalom white man what are you buying ?

What phenotype is this ?

>>714118275
He probably had the best fleshing out in the clone wars shows. He was adored by his troopers so much they made nose art of him on their fighters in Aurebesh that said Plo's Bros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id1aH0A03dI

>>714121691
>Toydarians are cut off from the Force (cut off from God)
WTF George?

>>714122057
>G-d !? we only talk about kosher things like money and racemixing

>>714122057
>Toydarians are cut off from the Force
Citation needed

>>714120156
Damn I really need to get me some red alien pussy

>>714122942
Mind tricks don’t work on them because they naturally resist the Force.

>>714123131
Having naturally evolved resistance to mind manipulation doesn't equate being cut off from the Force.

>>714119826
Can a Jedi or Sith bring down a Star destroyer if they're strong enough with the force? How the fuck did Starkiller do that?

>>714122057
>>714123131
Mind trick only works on the weak minded, retardo.

Qui-Gon Jobbed out to Darth Maul

>>714115849
Because Luuke exists

>>714123696
Yes, but starkiller only managed it because it was falling out of orbit anyway.
Peak Luke or Sheev could do it themselves if they felt like it.

i love her so much

>>714124170
>Sheev
No Sh*tsney in this thread

I always liked this Jedi woman on the Endar Spire. She has a whole fanbase and stories about what would happen if she survived and joined the crew.

>>714124364
>She has a whole fanbase and stories about what would happen if she survived and joined the crew.
Such as? First time hearing about this.

AotC definitely has better comedy than TPM

>>714124498
Torn

>>714124220
>Sheev
>yidsneed

>>714124998
Yes. Sheev was the name created for him by the Sh*tsney.

Unalive yourself now.

>>714125051
>Unalive
you don't have to use that self censoring faggotry here, fren

>>714124217
>That new show where she got hair
>that scene where she slicked it back
SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714125051
>Unalive
Newfag and probably underageb&

>>714125051
Dumbfuck

>>714124170
Gay retcons or from the book don't matter. In the game he rips the fucking thing outta the sky.

>>714123696
I'm sure people like Palp, Vader, Yoda, and Luke could.
They just don't have the sheer audacity.

>>714124514
and he was a good friend

>>714125260
>rightfully scrapped and never used by anyone before the Sh*tsney buyout
Kill yourself indeed, faggot.

What’s the difference between a dark jedi and a sith?

>>714119043
I don't care what anyone says, the opening to ep3 is one of the greatest openings in any movie ever.

>>714125968
IIRC a lot of the old games/books prior to the sith being named used dark jedi

>>714125968
>dark jedi
an asshole
>sith
an indoctrinated asshole

>>714114126 (OP)
Anakin, Obi-wan, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Windu, the octupus guy (I forgot his name...), Plo-Koon, Luke, Ki-Adi Mundi

>>714126280
Kit Fisto

RUN, KATARN
HAHAHAHA

She should have died at the end of the clone wars so that she never grows up into a hag

>>714126280
Kit Fisto
And his classic catchphrase "You just got Fisted!"

>>714125968
Culture, really.

>>714125968
Dark Jedi is a Jedi that fell to the dark side
A Sith is a dark side user who follows a specific philosophy.
It's possible to be both, like Vader

>>714126408
I would have become a sith in order to master unnatural powers of the dark side to prevent her from aging.

the sith are the good guys

>>714126408
I never really paid much attention to it but she has a really cool lightsaber design.

>>714126753

>>714126398
>>714126419
yeah, kit fisto
what a cool guy

>>714126815
>Tableau
God those were fun times

>>714119615
Its owned by EA/Disney, not Microsoft Forgotten empires. Their was an old post made by the AoE dev's on how they wanted to make a remaster and they contacted EA (who had all starwars game rights at the time) and got ghosted. Dont think they've tried again since EA lost the rights.

sheev

>>714124220
Sheethe

>>714125968
Sith is what you call yourself when you really want to stick it to the Jedi. If you look through the EU, you'll find that "Sith" doesn't really mean shit because pretty much every incarnation is entirely independent. It's just groups of Force users, whether they be fallen Jedi or otherwise, who decide they want to call themselves Sith (and if they care to, with rationalization as to why they're real Sith and the other guys before were phonies). They're the guys who still make red artificial lightsaber crystals because they feel like it's a power move (because that's the only color that was possible originally and the Jedi hoarded all the real crystals).

Dark Jedi are just Dark Side Force users. They can be Sith and they can be former Jedi, but there's no real rule. They'll probably still use red lightsabers though because it's cool.

For me, Its my HERO Coleman Trebor.

>>714127746
>jobs to a single westar

kitt fisto obviously

>>714126054
Literally who would disagree with that nigga
Glacial take

>>714128247
Hoth take

>>714128426
It's salt.

>>714121815
Fuck. That must've made order 66 hit harder for those *in the know*

>>714125968
Dark Jedi is just an edgy jedi who doesn't want to strictly follow the temple, the sith is a power hungry tard, generally speaking.

>>714128736
It changes depending on the lore. Recently it was said that the clones were forced into it despite their feelings. But IIRC before that it was simply something they did since it was built into them and it was alluded to in the Battlefront II (pandemic) 501st diaries when they killed Aayla Secura that it was like that

Yoda

Honorable mentions: Koon, Fister, Kinobi, Orange Buttcheeks.

>>714116861
The prequels had a talented cast. Portman, McGregor, McDiarmid, Sam Jackson. It’s just that Lucas is such a terrible director and was given complete control over these movies with no one to shake him and say “this makes no sense.” Also the overreliance on CGI made it hard for the actors to show any proper emotion. How’re you supposed to react to stuff as an actor if all you’re seeing is a ginormous green screen?

>>714129341
>"What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word."
K I N O

>>714123987
Luuuke or bust
I take Bigger Luke in a pinch

>ctrl+f Kyle
>0 results

>>714129628
I still feel conflicted about the chips in clones' brains...
it would have been easier to dismiss if it was a disneyshit fanfic

>>714129628
If you watch the march onto the Jedi temple you hear clacking a lot of people thought it was from the boots of the armor. It's actually the troopers clicking off the safeties on their blasters.

TPM is my favorite prequel movie but mainly because of the Pod race cours and the Duel of the Fate soundtrack..

>>714129945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFzJ2g1xIJU

for me it's RotS. The soundtrack of EP3 is amazing. John Williams' best work imo
I love all 6 movies and I've never been able to understand the hate for the prequels (not even my dad hates them)
but each to their own, I guess

Hello there!

>>714120042
>>714120156
nakadashi

>>714129628
The 501st diaries were great. We were supposed to get a Battlefront III from Free Radical that was going to be insane but it was scrapped when Disney acquired the rights. That thing was going to have space to ground seamless combat. You were honest to god going to fight in the Episode III battle of Coruscant on both fronts at will. And the worst part was that the game was pretty much done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTRiH1byxzQ

I'm more of a Ki Afi Sundee kinda guy

>>714128426
Why did they name him "Delicious Be Cummin"

i regret watching the kenobi series

>>714129945
I consider people who say that the pod race scene "drags on" to be subhuman.
Fuck you, it's one of the best scenes in cinema history.
Also the video game is ludo.

>>714131331
Anon, disney CANNOT enter your star wars without your consent

>>714131341
NTA but George did an amazing drop shooting that scene. You could easily tell who was where and at what point without a need for a map done in a way even a child could understand. He may not be great at dialogue but the man can compose a scene.

>>714131331
Disregard all disney star wars. Embrace Legends and read Heir to the Empire.

>>714131331
The Kenobi series is what boomers act like the Prequels are.

>>714129771
Clones were always programmed to follow Order 66. Lucas said it himself:
>"Obviously, the clones play a very big role in this series. And we really enjoy turning them into personalities, and seeing the war from their side, and seeing what their problems are. Obviously the issues are how were they programmed, and when were they programmed, and that sort of thing will, eventually, reveal itself."
https://www.ign.com/videos/lucas-talks-clone-wars-season-3
Timestamp: 3:35

And it was presented as such in the films.
>"Karen Traviss? She didn't get everything right. It is very clear if you watch ROTS that [Order 66] is not an order on the books. And it's simply from this one detail—that Karen Traviss ignored—but the detail is: when Sidious shows up as a hologram and says 'Execute Order 66,' the clones say 'It will be done, my lord.' Not 'yes sir,' not 'yes chancellor.' 'It will be done, my lord.' Commander Cody has never seen a Sith Lord. He doesn't know what a Sith Lord is. He's never seen Darth Sidious. Unless this is a Manchurian Candidate situation. Unless they have been programmed, on a deep level. The brain washing kicks in the moment they hear the words 'Order 66,' and they look at that hologram and they see God. They see the man responsible for their creation: Darth Sidious. And that's what it is. And, by the way, I have it on authority from George Lucas that that's exactly what it is. Now, Traviss didn't watch—she missed that aspect of ROTS. She didn't pay attention to that. If you are going to take Lucas and Filoni to task for changing the Mandalorians, you have to take Traviss to task for changing one of the most key plot points of the entire saga."—Sam Witwer
https://youtu.be/bZzG1FzIsEo?feature=shared&t=2358

Anything else makes no sense, explicitly contradicts what was shown in the films, and requires ridiculous suspension of disbelief and writing everyone out of character to justify it. No matter how edgy and "cool" it sounds on paper.

>>714131610
>Legends
we call it the EU round these parts, pardner

Jedi Master
2x single hilt red lightsabers
always wearing black robes
Form 2, 7 and 5 master
Uses both light and dark side force powers
Pure light side disposition

>>714129771
>>714131758
the chips miss the point of the clone army being loyal to the republic and the jedi genuinely went above the republics head and got their comeuppance for it. that army was bred and trained to be fully loyal to the republic, not the jedi. when palpatine says he IS the senate he's being completely transparent, the jedi are committing high treason.

>>714131784
Well he’s watching disney slop so he might not know that means the old canon and not just books/comics in general.

>>714130471
BF3 was canceled in 2008. Free Radical missed deadlines and siphoned resources to make their own game.

>"In December 2007, Free Radical still did not have simple AI working in levels. For much of 2007, Xbox 360 builds simply did not work. Initially, Free Radical claimed it was a US/UK kit difference, but when we asked to FedEx one of their working machines to the US for a build review, they declined."
>This was only just the beginning of problems for Free Radical and BF3. In 2007, the source began to suspect that its payments to Free Radical were in fact being used to complete Haze and not BF3. What's more, during this time, Haze became a PlayStation 3 exclusive, which affirmed LucasArts' belief that the studio's engine was not compatible with Xbox 360 at the time.
>In August 2007, the source said Free Radical was "struggling" with Haze and Battlefront III and thus began to (as time would prove unsuccessfully) shop around TimeSplitters 4. It was also during this time that the source levied his most serious claims against Free Radical.
>A critical milestone came in May 2008 when Haze finally shipped. The game was more than a year late and received generally poor review marks. "The quality of the game was extremely alarming to us," he said. "Free Radical insisted that the delays were to ensure the game was a gem with 85+ review, but that was very clearly not the case."
>The cancellation eventually occurred in October 2008. According to the ex-LucasArts employee, LucasArts judged that Free Radical was unable to deliver on its August and September milestones. He would summarise the failing of Battlefront III in three points. First, Haze siphoned resources during the first half of Battlefront III development. Second, Free Radical overestimated its ability to meet milestones. And lastly, because Free Radical kept missing assigned dates.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/former-lucasarts-employee-on-why-star-wars-battlefront-iii-failed/1100-6400936/

>>714131758
it just doesn't feel like they had chips back when the movie came out (2005) and there was no sign of them in the clone wars cartoon either
the clone wars series was made years later so George could have "retconned" the clones just being loyal to the republic and the chancellor and not the jedi

>>714115952
the clock tower?

>>714116861
kek, I saw how to train your dragon the other day and everyone clapped at the end, me and my gf looked at each like wtf. Never before have I ever seen people clap for a movie

I like Yoda the best. I like it the juxtaposition of his small body with one of the best Jedi who can fight sith lords

>>714132537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiLdDQ6R3bI
Didn't feel like it, like another anon said the Battlefront II game shows that they were grown and programmed to be loyal to Palpatine from the jump when they left the Vat.

>>714132732
yes, the 501st journal also makes them look like they didn't have chips, they were just made to be loyal to the republic and palpatine

>>714118275
He had a yellow lightsaber in Jedi Power Battles and I thought that was pretty cool.

>>714116861
>>714132656
>guys im so aloof and cool, i dont "enjoy" things, ugh thats cringe
>btw i paid to watch a childrens movie in theaters
pick one okay

>>714114126 (OP)
battlefront is a game that could very easily suffer from content bloat unless there's a pre-established formula, especially for heroes.
You need specific loadouts or styles of heroes. Basically classes otherwise the rest of the content will suffer.
We already saw this with Battlefront 2 itself

>>714114126 (OP)
Young Obi Wan. He has the best lines out of all the Jedi.

>>714132416
There are no lords in the Republic. Palpatine was not the Senate. Not yet. Your headcanon contradicts what was factually shown in the movies and what was stated personally by George Lucas, who created the entire thing in the first place.

>>714132537
>it just doesn't feel like they had chips back when the movie came out (2005)
It is similar to midichlorians: Lucas probably did not have the exact plot device figured out yet by the time of the original movies, because the original movies did not necessitate them, but general idea was always there. When Luke says that the Force is strong in his family, it implies that it is stronger in some bloodlines than others. Same with this: from the movies we knew that the clones followed Order 66 because they were genetically altered to be totally obedient, and the same response across every single clone trooper across the galaxy, "It will be done, my lord", with no hesitation whatsoever, was obvious that there was some sort of programming involved. It was never a legal order. Senators did not know about it. Jedi Generals did not know about it. Clones couldn't have known about it, because the Jedi would have found out about it in three years of being close to them, the Jedi would not have trusted them as much as they did, and vice versa, and the Jedi would have sensed it if it was premeditated.
>there was no sign of them in the clone wars cartoon either
Are you talking about the 2D one? Lucas was not very involved with that one, by his own admission.
>the clone wars series was made years later
It was made since early 2005, before ROTS was even out in theaters. Lucas started making it as soon as post-production on ROTS wrapped.
>clones just being loyal to the republic and the chancellor and not the jedi
Again, it is clear from the movies that Order 66 was not a legal order issued by the Chancellor of the democratic Republic, but a secret programmed directive issued by Darth Sidious.

>>714119945
The Battle of Naboo was cool though. Sure JarJar sucked, but the assault on the palace was really cool and the space battle was cool too.

>>714132864
I always preferred it that way. I like the idea that the clones were always in on it, they knew from their very birth they were fighting to create the empire and were fully conscious of what they were doing. I think it's a more shocking betrayal that way, that they only pretended to befriend the Jedi until the time was right

>>714133206
I do like the palace battle and the space battle but yeah the gungan battle has Jar Jar re-enacting some cartoon George liked when he was younger or whatever.

>>714133150
>Are you talking about the 2D one? Lucas was not very involved with that one, by his own admission.
probably but I think it ties the best to the movie, especially since it has the kidnapping of the chancellor, the beginning of the battle of coruscant, Anakin becoming a jedi knight, etc etc
there was also no ashoka which never makes sense since anakin never mentions having a padawan in EP3. I don't know why they created that stupid character

>>714131331
I really wish I had gotten into Star Wars before the Disney buyout. I would have surely enjoyed way more those PS2 classics as a kid that I never once had the chance to play.

>>714114126 (OP)
For me, you literally posted him.
>Based as fuck, only gives a shit about the rules when he agrees with them
>Will try to brainwash a space jew for a part, but not literally anyone else for money so we get podracing kino
>Steals a little boy away from his mother and doesn't save her on purpose so the prophecy can come true
>Dies and dumps all responsibility on his gay padawan
Also, coolest lightsaber grip in all the films.

>>714132569
Ben is the bell, not the tower.

>>714125968
The Sith are psychopath egoists who think it is their moral imperative to abuse, manipulate, and lie to everyone who's weaker than them, while dark jedi are just jedi who use the dark side.

>>714133417
IRL actor also hate niggers, hes based

is BF2 worth getting into?

>>714133417
>>714133746
He still has his lightsaber hilt in his office btw.

>>714133360
>probably but I think it ties the best to the movie
It doesn't really work with the movies. Like at all. Power levels are ridiculous and cannot co-exist in the same narrative as the films. And without these power levels the very plot of the cartoon doesn't work. And the plot of the movies wouldn't work. Grievous is an entirely different character, because Lucas hadn't figured him out yet, and what was shown in the 2D-cartoon was just Genndy's interpretation. Battle of Coruscant as depicted in the cartoon does not mesh with what was shown in the movie. There are no signs of a massive surface battle that just occurred in the Senate district, the movie suggests that it was a covert extraction, since it was planned by Palps in the first place.
>there was also no ashoka which never makes sense since anakin never mentions having a padawan in EP3
She was no longer his Padawan and she left the Jedi Order. The movie did not necessitate her being mentioned. Just like the original movies did not necessitate the mention of Qui-Gon Jinn. Or most of the prequel characters for that matter. The movie never said he did not have a Padawan, or could not have one. The only requirement for having one is being a Jedi Knight. Which he was.
>I don't know why they created that stupid character
>Ahsoka was created, says Lucas, "Because I needed to mature Anakin. The best way to get somebody to become responsible and mature is to have them become a parent or a teacher. You have to think about what you're doing and set an example. You look at your behavior and the way you do things much differently. The idea was to use her to make Anakin become more mature. We've made her a more extreme version of what Anakin was—a little out there, independent, vital and full of life, but even more so. He gets a little dose of his own medicine."
Yoda assigned him a Padawan to settle him down and force him into being more responsible, and to, ultimately, teach him how to let go of attachments.

>>714133817
holy based

>>714131758
The argument isn't whether or not they're brain washed, its the specifics of the brain washing. The Battlefront 2 lore is that they all consciously knew what was going to happen at the end of the war, but said nothing because they were programmed from birth to be that die hard loyal to the republic and the chancellor specifically. While Clone Wars has it that they knew nothing until the day it happened when a phrase activated a chip in their brain and put them on evil mode.

>>714131758
>>714132416
honestly the truth of the matter is that fine details in the prequels and the prequels as a whole weren't planned well. Lucas had all these ideas but they really needed to get ironed out.
I mean even looking at the origin of the clone army in 2 is contrived.
Perhaps some mix of the two would be the best. >"Clones have some brainwashing but also are executing on an order of loyalty to the republic that coincides with some general commands and order like we see in the EU"
>>714133284
feel like that doesn't work well with the jedi having force powers, could they not sense the dark side in the clones at all? iirc we see in the OT and other movies that the darkside surrounds a person with ill intention. As cool as BF2's plot was it always felt shaky at best to me

>>714133301
No, he was re-enacting Buster Keaton stunts. Those are some of the most daring and insane stunts ever done for film.

>>714134357
Yes you're right I just forgot what it was exactly.

>>714134217
>, could they not sense the dark side in the clones at all?
It was a major plot point in the prequels that the jedi had lost most of their force powers and were made practically blind to the force. That's why they couldn't sense the plot to kill them, despite its architect rubbing shoulders with them every afternoon and its executioners being their comrades in arms.

>>714134217
>could they not sense the dark side in the clones at all?
I think it plays into how arrogant the Jedi were before the fall of the Republic, thinking that they were near invincible and that there's no way a Sith lord controls the senate because of course the Jedi would know right away and stop it.

Again, this is just my opinion. The idea of computer chips forcing the clones to kill their generals against their will is very heartbreaking particularly if you watched Clone Wars and I respect that addition

>>714131758
God I love Witwer so much.

Basic bitch choice but I love me some Revan

>>714119987
>>he ends up doing fuck all
>mentors Jaina and is borderline her master for parts of the NJO
>is a huge influence on her
>is a huge influence on the direction the jedi take throughout and at the end of the NJO

lorelets need to go back and actually read the books because Kyp does a lot of very important things. let us not forget a certain false flag he set up during the yuuzhan vong war that directly changed its course.

>>714134070
>or could not have one
TCS 2008 makes so many general character contradictions though, it hardly feels like its all the same thing
Ep2 anakin is a violent arrogant ass who's desperate for approval. Ep3 anakin is the same but hes aged up and not trusted at all by the senior jedi who dont treat him as an equal. It feels weird to have all that and then they trust him with an apprentice? Neverminded TCS never showing core tenants like his friendship with the Chancellor. TCS is a kids show and it throws out a ton of the adult content that was in the originals
>>714134482
>It was a major plot point in the prequels that the jedi had lost most of their force powers and were made practically blind to the force
when was that mentioned? I dont remember that at all. All i remember is that the jedi are generally blind to palpatines schemery, which is hard to believe given general plot holes n such

>>714134101
>The Battlefront 2 lore
I don't know why you even use it as an argument. Battlefront 2 was not really canon. It had 501st present literally everywhere, among other things, like feeling guilty about having to shoot Aayla Secura whilst standing right in front of her. It makes no sense. It was a good game, but I am baffled by the people who are adamant about taking the story of the game seriously. The EU itself could not agree on what Order 66 was: Battlefront 2 "consciously knew all along", that insane freak Traviss with her "totally legal order on the books one of 150", flash training, or some other excuse, depending on the work.
>loyal to the chancellor specifically
That's not what the movies showed. Because Chancellor of the Republic was never ever referred to as "lord". Hence it was not an order issued by the Chancellor of the Republic, but by Darth Sidious, and the clones were sleeper agents.
>While Clone Wars has it that they knew nothing until the day it happened when a phrase activated a chip in their brain and put them on evil mode.
That's what Episode III showed: Cody being heroic, friendly pal with Obi-Wan, giving him back his lightsaber, and then flipping into evil mode without a moment's hesitation, like a switch. And that's what Lucas showed again in Clone Wars series. Duh.

>>714134070
>She was no longer his Padawan and she left the Jedi Order
yes and anakin was very angry about that. You would think that something that important wouldn't be brushed off like it was nothing. That's why her existing doesn't make sense in the movie

>>714134662
>NJO
Opinion discarded.

Post 19ABY EU is trash and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.

>>714134795
what you are pointing is is actually something i have thought a lot about when it comes to prequels. Its the same problem with Red Dead Redemption 2 introducing Arthur as a character and having him so fucking important to everything about Dutch's gang, but somehow this insanely important character never gets mentioned by ANY of the gang members in RDR 1. The fact that John and Dutch dont even bring him up when they see eachother really sticks out if you play 1 after 2.

A good prequel will flesh out lore without creating plot holes. A bad prequel will create plot holes.

>>714132864
The 501st journal reads like self-rationalising cope where the guy is trying to justify to himself just why he did the shit he did at the drop of a hat. He's pretending that he totally saw it all coming and had a choice in the matter.

>>714134832
its ok that you feel that way anon but honestly its my favorite star wars media by far, i just recently re read them and holy fuck they stand up so well. I could be wrong here, but I have a feeling you might just not like it when things change over time, this could be a symptom of autism.

>>714134663
>when was that mentioned?
In episode 2 after Obi Wan tells the Jedi council about the clone army on Kamino over a video call.
>Yoda: Blind we are if able to sense the creation of this clone army we were not.
>Mace: I think it is time we informed the senate that our ability to use the force has diminished.
>Yoda: No, if informed of our weakness the senate is, only multiply our enemies will
I may have gotten a couple words wrong, but that's about what they say in the scene. The main reason for the Jedi's fall is that they had become corrupt and decadent, and in the process lost their connection with the force. Qui Gon was the last true Jedi, which is why the council disagreed with him so much, and why everything went to hell after he died.

>>714114126 (OP)
Grievous

>>714134482
It is one thing when the most powerful Sith Lord in 1000 years is deliberately hiding his presence in the Force and masks his thoughts, and it is a whole another thing when a bunch of grunts do so on the scale of millions across entire galaxy for years, fighting side by side next to these psychic mind-reading, mood feeling wizards. It's fucking dumb. It makes no sense. It makes the Jedi utterly moronic, and it makes no sense for them to trust these clones so absolutely, that Kenobi is such a close pal to one of them, Ki-Adi Mundi is utterly shocked when his troops stop to shoot him, and that any of them would EVER AT ALL expose their backs to them. There were many instances in the movies when the Jedi sensed mood, anxieties, thoughts. One of 10,000 Jedis would have sensed something from one of millions of grunts, being side by side with them for years. It necessitates that, as shown in the movies, the Jedi trusted the clones absolutely, trusted enough to be comfortable around them, to turn their backs to them, to befriend them, and then to be utterly shocked when they flipped out of nowhere. It also necessitates that the clones themselves did not know about it coming, because otherwise the Jedi would have sensed it, sensed the intent, and it also explains why they stopped in their tracks in the middle of battles and flipped on their brothers in arms that fought and died for them side by side, when there was no sign of any treachery. There is no rational explanation for Cody shooting down Obi-Wan. There is none. Just like there is no explanation for every single clone responding in the same way, "It will be done, my lord". Only that it was Manchurian Candidate trigger word programming. Which it was. Which Lucas said.

>>714134950
I haven't played those games but yeah, a prequel shouldn't create plotholes and only serve to flesh out what was already established

>>714135039
i vaguely remember that now that you mention it, maybe i ought to rewatch those movies at some point
I really like the idea of the jedus arrogance being their downfall but the whole cloen army plot in that movie feels so contrived.
They know the origin of the clone army is really suspicious and people wanted to hide it and even possibly kill a jedi master over it, makes their easy trusting of the clone army feel really odd in context. I suppose you could say its a necessity but still, after Dooku mentions a sith being in control of the republic its at least reason to investigate everything

>>714135164
well if you have seen Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, BCS is an example of an extremely well written prequel that doesnt add plot holes and only fleshes out a world. In fact, throw away lines of characters randomly mentioned in breaking bad become extremely important characters in BCS

>>714134997
>i just recently re read them and holy fuck they stand up so well
They really don't.
The Yuuzhan Vong invasion was a decent idea on paper but the implementation sucked big time, and the quality of the books is uneven. Perhaps it would've worked out if they had 2, maybe 3 authors max for the arc but we can't have good things

>>714135045
He'd be insulted if you called him a Jedi

>>714135115
>One of 10,000 Jedis
By the time TPM takes places there were a few hundred, maybe 1000 Jedi max.

>>714135282
When is the last time you read that? I will admit that the quality wasnt the best at all times, and there were a few books i just didnt finish (the force heresy books) but overall most of them are just amazing. Especially Traitor. Holy fuck Traitor is one of the best books I have ever read.

>>714134643
i hate how avellone made him a 4d chess superman in kotor2

>>714134643
>Why yes, I played Kotor when I was a kid/teenager and never grew past idolizing the speshul blank slate self-insert MC
Why is every Revanaboo like this?

>>714135420
The first game portrayed him as a strategic genius who no one could defeat in battle but okay, keep crying about Avellone I guess.

>>714134667
>I don't know why you even use it as an argument. Battlefront 2 was not really canon.
I don't care about what's canon, I care about what's better, and the clones being realistic sleeper agents rather than the cartoon idea of sleeper agents is way cooler.
>That's not what the movies showed. Because Chancellor of the Republic was never ever referred to as "lord". Hence it was not an order issued by the Chancellor of the Republic, but by Darth Sidious, and the clones were sleeper agents.
Palpatine had been giving himself promotions regularly over the course of the war. I wouldn't be shocked if adding "lord" to the title of Supreme Chancellor was one of them. Besides the clones were personally commissioned by him, he probably had that lord thing put into their programming at birth.
>That's what Episode III showed: Cody being heroic
He's just a stoic and professional as all the other clones in the movies. He helps Obi Wan because that's his job and that's what good soldiers do. I understand why George had to humanize them for the clone wars, but in the movies the clones come across as having even less personality than droids while being just as unflinchingly loyal.

>>714135353
>Especially Traitor
Exactly my point. If all NJO books had been written by Matthew Stover it would've forever been known as some of the absolute best SW content out there but alas.

>>714134663
>Ep2 anakin is a violent arrogant ass who's desperate for approval. Ep3 anakin is the same but hes aged up and not trusted at all by the senior jedi who dont treat him as an equal.
Anakin was fully trusted by Windu and Yoda in Attack of the Clones. They were fully confident in sending him on a mission to protect Padme. There was a scene at the temple, where Yoda and Windu assure Obi-Wan that Anakin is ready, and arrogance is a flaw common in all Jedi. In Ep 3, Windu did not trust him, because he was put on the Council by the Chancellor. That was the reason. There was nothing about not treating him as equal. This is your headcanon. Anakin was just as violent in the show, when the situation demanded it. Just like in the movies. He was not always violent.
>It feels weird to have all that and then they trust him with an apprentice?
Not really. Again, Yoda and Mace trusted him well enough in Ep 2, and Yoda gave him a Padawan specifically, because he tried to help Anakin with his issues. He needed to learn how to let go of attachments.
>Neverminded TCS never showing core tenants like his friendship with the Chancellor.
It literally did on many occasions. Seems like you just did not watch it, or skipped 80% of it.
>TCS is a kids show and it throws out a ton of the adult content that was in the originals
Movies were never adult. All of Star Wars is for 12 year olds. Lucas said it many times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THKzwzieF40
Movies are rated PG. Same as the show. You have some different version of the movies your head, it seems.

>>714135581
i can agree with this. but even as it was, i still consider the book series as a whole to be amazing.

>>714135420
Everything about pre-amnesia Revan was already established in K1.

>>714135581
>Matthew Stover
For real. Why didn't LucasArts contract him more often? Stover's Episode III novelization is nothing short of amazing.

>>714135115
Sensing intentions is no different from sensing what someone will do for a Jedi. The Jedi were blinded to Sidious's plot by the force as a punishment. Its like when God in the old testament make people make bad decisions so they would suffer the consequences of said decisions.

>>714134795
>You would think that something that important wouldn't be brushed off like it was nothing.
Who says it was nothing? On the contrary, it informed his actions in the movie and made them more understandable: why he was pissed about not getting the rank of master, why he felt lost, alone and distrusted, and why he ate up Palpatine's words about the Jedi seeking to hold their power.

>>714135261
Its Jedi arrogance behind everything. The Jedi trust the clones because the can't sense any ill intent from them, and because the council refuses to admit that this could just as easily be because they're blind, they think it means the clones are all good guys. The Jedi dismiss everything Dooku said because he's a Sith Lord and they don't listen to Sith.

If you feel its contrived, that's fair. But its a Greek tragedy in space, so I'd say that's by design.

>>714135857
it doesn't at all
the movie explains very well Anakin's conflict with the jedi council without ashoka's existence. His conflict was about him being afraid of losing Padme like he lost his mother. The Jedi being assholes to him, telling him he should just let his wife die, not trusting him with important missions like dealing with Grievous, not making him a master despite all the big achievement he had done during the clone wars. The reason why he ate Palpatine's lies so easily was because he was the only who gave him an "out" and he's being around him since he was little. He respected him a lot.
So in a moment of desperation, he decided to trust him about having a way to save Padme and fell to the dark side
there's no need for ashoka here at all

>>714133150
>Order 66 was not a legal order
Pretty sure it was a GAR contingency order and then it was retconned to be part of the stupid brain chip crap afterwards. There was an ARC trooper that talked about it and was surprised that the Jedi weren't aware or read the contingency orders.

>>714136434
You are citing Karen Traviss EU fanfiction, which is irrelevant.

>>714134662
To be fair, given his established powerlevel that does indeed feel like he "did fuck all" compared to Luke and Jacen. He doesn't play much of a role in the final arc and he pretty much fades into obscurity following NJO

For Me, it’s farmboy Luke.

for me it's picrelated

Ki Adi Mundi

>>714136478
lol thats fanfiction but the brain chips aren't?

>>714136634
Correct.

See: >>714131758

>>714125968
One is a nigger, the other is a based nazi.

>>714136672
The orders existed outside of Traviss's novels, the brain chip were just Filoni fanfiction. Your own post shows that he didn't even understand the clones or how they were trained. If Jedi didn't bother investigating how a clone army popped up, they weren't going to dig up contingency orders.

filoni and its consequences have been a disaster for star wars

>battlefront 3 will not be release, here’s the same game with the same smelly hackers for 5000 hours
What the fuck EA?

Roger Roger
Arf arf arf arf
These are not the droids you are looking for.
KaBEEEWWWWWMMM
CHEWBACCAAA,THISSS WILL BE A GLORIOUS HUNT

>>714136968
>The orders existed outside of Traviss's novels
No, they didn't. They first appeared in her retarded crap, and nowhere else.

>the brain chip were just Filoni fanfiction
Nope. It came from Lucas, in his show, in a script written by his daughter. He literally says, on video, that the clones are programmed. There was never any free will involved, and there were never any "contingency orders."

>Your own post shows that he didn't even understand the clones or how they were trained
Where, exactly? Did Lucas not understand the thing that he created? Cool story, retard.

>If Jedi didn't bother investigating how a clone army popped up, they weren't going to dig up contingency orders.
They did investigate. What are you talking about? Contingency orders, on the other hand, make no sense whatsoever. It was explicitly stated in Ep II, that the Jedi keep a close eye on the Senate. It was explicitly shown that they had many loyal senators, like Padme, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma and others. If such a thing was ever passed, they would've known about it. They would've known about a public and legal military order to execute them on the spot without any trial, since they'd been generals for the last 3 years. And they would have brought it up in the movies, when they were making a move against Palpatine, if that was ever a thing. It wasn't. It was Traviss' fanfic. It was clear in the movie that O66 was a secret known only to Sidious. Anakin asks "What of other Jedi spread across the galaxy?" He didn't know. Obi-Wan didn't know why the clones suddenly turned. Bail Organa didn't know. Nobody knew. Because it was meant to be a secret, and the clones were meant to be programmed. Traviss is a mentally ill hack, who hated the Jedi, compared them to Nazis, and anyone who liked them to Nazi sympathizers, and she wrote all the Jedi except her OCs as a bunch of evil out of character retards. She did the same with Halo and Gears of War books.

>>714130471
It's honestly still surreal to be that a build got leaked at all, so close to a finished state.
>Luke hears echoes from ROTS as he and Wedge search for X1 on Mustafar
That's the good shit.

>>714137469
Why would you want anything from EA of all people? Battlefront 2 had potential only to be ruined by their retarded greed. That game even got the attention of some governments because of the microtransactions. It would better if BF3 never releases if EA and Disney are in charge.

>>714137881
Disney buyout aside, 2006-2008 was the darkest era for Star Wars by far.
>KOTOR3 cancelled, despite the fact Avellone had finished writing the main story and most of the quests
>Jedi Knight III cancelled albeit in it's pre-production state
>BF3 and 1331 cancelled

>>714124220
We say sheev to mock them not because we like the name.

>>714126815

>>714135993
>But its a Greek tragedy in space, so I'd say that's by design
yeah i just feel you could've added one or two dialogue changes or made some general script changes that would've made that feel more coherent as well as ironing out some rough parts in a series of already rather rough movies
it at the very least is consistent with their characterrization although it does make them look dumb
>>714135115
>One of 10,000 Jedis would have sensed something from one of millions of grunts, being side by side with them for years
it should be said that we clearly see this with Yoda killing his clones right before they shoot him. Think its pretty reasonable he would've sensed any ill intent from them prior and as Battlefront 2 characterizes the clones they didn't take to liking their jedi commanders all that much

>>714135610
>They were fully confident in sending him on a mission to protect Padme
i always understood that as more of a move to get him out of their hair
>There was nothing about not treating him as equal.
what about the whole point of not making him a master while putting him on the council?
>. Anakin was just as violent in the show, when the situation demanded it.
i watched all of it and I dont really remember anything on the level of him masscreing the tuskens in EpII. If anything TCW has moments (like an entire slavery arc, anakin working with Hutts etc.) where anakin shouldn't be the level headed person he seems to be in the show
>It literally did on many occasions.
it never seemed on the level of what was implied in EpIII
>Movies were never adult
there are very clearly adult themes and elements in every starwars movie and what little was there was very obviously further reduced for TCW. I like TCW its pretty okay overall and can even be really good but it obviously made sacrifices for the audience it was going for

>>714137761
Lucas contradicted himself multiple times over the years, no shit he forgets his own rules. The chips were a retcon, your examples don't imply anything other than indoctrination the clones went through. The chips were made up so the clones don't look like complete villains at the expense of the story. That tumor pic is dated 2011, long after ROTS came out, you keep posting the same irrelevant images.

>They did investigate
I said the Jedi, you're talking about senators who never trusted Sheev and were constantly trying to find dirt on him. The number 66 implies there are other orders that the clones had. The orders were in other media, I don't know why the fuck you are so hung up on Traviss when it wasn't the only one.

>>714114126 (OP)
My favorite Jedi is Cere Junda :)

>>714131758
Traviss never fit with star wars. All she wanted to do was make mandos look cool. She had no interest i n anything else. They were her pets and she loved them to the detriment of everything else.

>>714138835
>The orders were in other media
nta but what other media? Genuine question. I only remember them being mentioned in Republic Commando books?

>>714139182
She really should have stuck to mandos and nothing else. A story about mandos and a few of clones doing odd jobs after the clone wars would have been interesting. It's clear she didn't like Jedi much in her books and she killed off Mara Jade in a dumb way.

>>714138930
wow she actually looks better with long hair
she's still ugly as fuck, both irl and ingame

>>714139536
Mara Jade was an awful character btw

>>714139873
>t. george lucas

>>714116861
>and holy shit it was such a boring slog of a movie.
pretty much. basically nothing happens, but the saving grace is the pod racing scene.
there used to be a re-edited supercut on Youtube where someone took out the annoying announcers and exposition, then enhanced the audio.
never been able to find it again.

>>714136634
Yes. Because screen appearances ALWAYS overwrite books. Especially when said screen appearances were personally overseen by George Lucas himself.

>>714139260
Some of the comics like Last of the Jedi mentioned it.

>>714140038
>George Lucas himself.
Yeah, by they way, fuck Lucas, his opinions mean jackshit now

>>714140129
Oh but Karen "From my point of view the Jedi are evil" Traviss is so valid?

>>714135572
Cody shows a little personality, it’s why there’s even conversations around having a favorite clone trooper in the first place. We were so used to seeing them as blank slates that just said yes sir, right away sir. Then there’s this one guy who had a little banter with Obi-Wan. It made people wonder about the clones as people, “are they all a little different from the jump?”, “is Cody different because of his proximity to Obi- Wan all the time?” stuff like that.

>>714132518
I cannot believe BF3 didn't get made for that piece of shit called Haze. Game development stories always sound so rocky no matter the story to be fair at least. Switching to a new console generation and tech sounds hard too.

>SEA OTTERS

>>714140038
I get what you're saying but Lucas screwed up his own work. The chips were a pointless detail just so the kids watching Filoni wars don't think the clones are evil when though they were just following orders they were trained since birth. At kid that watched the original trilogy would know that eventually the clones become the bad guys.

>>714140241
nta but the Jedi were decadent and had little issue using a mysterious slave army to fight their wars. Jedi have had their reputation ruined throughout parts of history at times for questionable decisions or leaders.

>>714114126 (OP)
I will never understand why neither Obi-Wan nor Anakin were in the game at launch, nor why it took them literally years to be added.

>>714134217
I always got the impression that it was partly to do with the lack of ill will. Like to the clones that order may never even come, they’re not sitting around fiending for it. But then the order does come and orders are orders. To them it’s just a thing they’re compelled to do.

>>714140707
there was no prequel at launch because they wanted to add disneywar shit by contract, hense the two pre order skins

>>714140749
They literally had prequel stuff at launch, with Darth frigging Maul no less.

Favorite clone armor?

>>714140835
Phase 1 clean white.
Honorable mention to the cartoon arc troopers.

>>714140831
he's considered OT thanks to disneywars

>>714140835
Clones with camouflage are my weakness.

>>714140712
>that it was partly to do with the lack of ill will.
i think thats an interesting idea but iirc doesn't work with Batlefront 2's dialgoue in regard to ki andi mundi and the jedi as a whole, they seem to have some maliciousness or at the least forknowledge that the order will happen at some point (i think the mission right before 66 points this out). Then again Battlefront 2 also has some contradictions itself so its a little weird
>>714140835
always liked shock troopers and the camo'd out recon guys you see for like 3 whole seconds in ROTS

>>714140835
I like the genndy wars arc troopers.

>>714140835
Galactic Marines are the best dressed clones in the GAR.

>>714140542
Need George to make a Kamino nature doc

>>714141916
They look better with a minigun

>>714132569
>>714115952
>>714133578
That's Big Ben. And it's the name of the tower, the bell and the clock, all of them. That "did you know Ben is not the clock but the bell" thing is just a meme. Originally the name was just for the biggest bell, but the entire tower became a symbol and the name applies to the whole thing.

>>714140835
This one.
The character is apparently named "Commander Appo".

>>714114126 (OP)
Yun.
>but he's a dark jedi
He turned good at the end, willing to give his life simply to grant Kyle a fair fight. Can't ask for more.

>>714143281
>Epicantix
Man, those were the simpler times

>>714114126 (OP)
I want to swing that purple sword around.

>>714114126 (OP)
Quinlan Vos

>>714135115
The Jedi were utterly moronic. Palpatine starts a nothingburger war with his fake droid army and his fake clone army and the jedi happily eat it up and get their brains blown out for the trouble.

>want to play kotor 2 with the definitive mods
>install TSLRCM
>done

>want to play kotor 1 with the definitive mods
>Hi! Here's a list of the 279 patchfiles you have to download and install one at a time. You will also need an account with all of the hosting sites they're on. Black trans lives matter!

>>714129737
actually kyle katarn was never a jedi at all, just a guy with a lightsaber.

>>714145956
TSLRCM is shit
Also, the only mod you need for KOTOR1 is K1 Community Patch and that's it.

>>714134217
>I mean even looking at the origin of the clone army in 2 is contrived.
It's really not. Sidious had his (then) new apprentice Tyranus commission a clone army in the jedi council name, but secretly programmed with a kill order to kill them. They used a (then) recently killed jedi master, Sifo Dyas, as the name for it (whether they killed Sifo Dyas or not for this doesn't matter and isn't clarified. The name was originally meant to be a play on Sidious). Tyranus had grabbed a skilled jedi hunter to be the template for the clones, and said jedi hunter continued to work for him after. That's the origin as presented in the movie (minus the kill order, which is only revealed in the 3rd).

Sources
>Obi-wan is told by cloners that Sifo Dyas commissioned them 10 years ago.
>Jango tells Obi-wan he "never heard of Sifo Dyas" and the actual commissioner who brought him there was Tyranus. Obi-wan thinks he could be lying.
>Obi-wan reports to Yoda and Windu the Sifo story, then that Sifo was actually killed before the commission, suggesting the name was faked, and Windu confirms no one in the council gave authorization.
>Obi-wan follows Jango to Dooku (Tyranus), confirming Jango's prior statement was true.
And hell, they even beat you in the face with how Sidious has maneuvered to control both armies in the war, droids via Tyranus ("The viceroy of the Trade Federation was once in league with this Darth Sidious, but he was betrayed ten years ago by the dark lord. He came to me for help. He told me everything.") and clones via Tyranus ("Welcome home, Lord Tyranus.").

>>714147190
>Darth Tyranus tells Obi Wan literally the entire fucking plan
>LOL NO FAGGOT
>somehow, he makes this Anakin's fault

Basically, when you really get down to the meat of it, Star Wars is the tale of how Obi Wan Kenobi is a self-righteous knuckle dragging moron with a laser sword just fucking up lives wherever he goes.

>>714147685
Why is Hershlag not in new Nu Wars material?

This is literally anudda shoah, how dare they omit a Jewish goddess?

>>714147685
Why does she look so jewish?

>>714114126 (OP)
>hes not in Battlefront 2 ?
the devs wanted to do a lot more but ea/disney told them no

>duel of the fates fight

>>714147685
That's not quite fair. Obi-wan spent the first half of the movie defending Dooku as a good boy ex-jedi, must have his reasons. When he follows Jango, he overhears Dooku admit to the assassination of Padme via Jango, raising the droid army to "overwhelm the jedi," and being the overall lying traitor everyone said Dooku was. That's why his first word in the interrogation is "Traitor."

In the interrogation, Dooku lies about things Obi-wan had already seen and overheard, then Dooku pretends to be a friend, all just a misunderstanding. So Obi-wan has him pinned for being a lying traitor. Dooku then finally says the true things and pretends he's just a rogue element against the Sith Lord (the "viceroy came to me" statement), but even THAT was a lie because Dooku was working for Sidious the whole time, not hunting him. Everything Dooku said was 95% lies, so it's really only hindsight someone can say he should have believed Dooku about a little specific part, especially since Obi-wan believed the Council would sense it if that was true but Yoda refused to admit their blindness.

>>714148127
Let's review the accomplishments of your beloved Obiwan Kenobi
>doesn't care if Gungans are slaughtered
>doesn't care if they leave slaves behind
>his solution to a force-nuke in human form is to just leave Anakin behind and fuck it
>Allows Anakin's father figure to die because he fucks up during the duel and eats a kick
>admittedly gives his best effort in training Anakin, but he's a shithead and fucks it all up and gives Anakin none of the mentoring and understanding he received from Qui Gon
>leaves teenage Anakin alone with a Naboo's Succubus God-Queen with a half-assed "LOL hey there you two don't go fuckin now ;)"
>Anakin's mom dies because he doesn't bother to go back for her
>Ignores Tyranus's warnings
>Press-gangs this grieving emotional wreck of a human being into a goddamned war against his will with a "man the fuck up son, I know you signed up just to learn about your spiritual connection to the force, but you need to now use those abilities to kill countless people and watch countless fried die for a political cause you don't believe in, here's your general stars and your xeno-loli in a miniskirt, now go forth and murder my little force WMD"
>Doesn't question that Anakin killed Dooku or talk to him about it
>Ignores Anakin's visions
>Anakin is dying for his approval, but constantly shits on Anakin because he's afraid
>Forces Anakin to spy on his one existing parental figure -- you know because he let the other ones die
>Then, in Anakin's ultimate moment of crisis, he fucking LEAVES
>Then, finally, in the one moment where he could have brought his friend back -- HE FUCKING DRAWS HIS LIGHTSABER INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING TO HIM THEN CUTS HIS ARMS AND LEGS AND DICK OFF OVER A POLITICAL DISAGREEMENT
That's like if your nephew had some opinions over thanksgiving that you didn't agree with so you just walked in and shot him in the face. Obiwan is fucked in the head and the entire galaxy was fucked the moment he jobbed to Maul and got his master killed

>>714124998
Imagine if Jar Jar just started calling people random Star Wars slurs half-way through the movie.

>>714137469
There is a nearly complete build of Battlefront III for the Wii that was leaked.
Pic unrelated.

>>714150078
>>leaves teenage Anakin alone with a Naboo's Succubus God-Queen with a half-assed "LOL hey there you two don't go fuckin now ;)"
I'm not gonna go through all of them, but this one made me lol so it gets attention. I don't think it every gets a specific mention, but Obi-wan seemed to have known about their relationship/marriage and let it be without ever snitching, in silent approval.

I do think the greatest flaw between them though is that Obi-wan saw Anakin as a brother, while Anakin needed a father.

>>714116861
give us a few examples of movies that are not boring slogs

>>714116031
move over edgelord.

>>714139790
she was hot if you can believe it, once upon a time.

>>714152059
>Stackpole's blatant self-insert
no thanks

>>714116861
the phantom menace is the only prequel movie that doesnt look like liquid ass.
pretty much every other piece of clone wars fiction completely mogs aotc and rots

>>714125968
sam jackson only plays one of them

Don't reply to Filonijew.
Ignore all Filonijew posts.