>game is pure luck but people keep thinking theres some deep strategy and skill involved

Wrong thread?

>>714152538 (OP)
you've never played real poker

>using the meta is banned

>>714152642
>>714152661
sorry guys wrong image

>>714152661
Is that where everyone is super serious and boring and can't stop fiddling around with the plastic chips?

>>714152538 (OP)
T.losing poker player
Btw I check

Definitely not pure luck. Find a home game, Play a tight pre flop range and attack weaker players who call too loosely with shit hands. Guaranteed profit. It probably doesn’t even matter if you make small mistakes post flop

FUCK RNG

>>714152761
Poker used to be based 20+ years ago
https://youtube.com/shorts/tr98qbVilbQ?si=-xmy0e-gV0d048Am
Nowadays it's exactly as you described

>>714152538 (OP)
there isn't any game like that, just cope by shitters who can't into probability
except for in Vegas Vacation ofc, more casinos need Heads-or-Tales
>>714152661
real poker is boring risk mitigation and folding simulator
just give me poker minigames with dumb opponents

>>714152980
>more casinos need Heads-or-Tales
fun fact, coin flipping is rigged

>a coin flip actually has a 51/49 probability of landing heads or tails -- favoring the side facing up when flipped. If you spin a US penny on its side, however, it has an 80% chance of landing tails up
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/gamblers-take-note-the-odds-in-a-coin-flip-arent-quite-5050-145465423/

>>714153098
I guess the house has it's edge then, just pay out on the bottom side

>>714152980
>who can't into probability
>probability
so its luck?
>know probabilities much better than the other player
>theres still a 30~% chance that he ends up having a better hand overwhelming majority of the time after playing several rounds

>>714152661
>let me teach you this counting trick bro it increased your winning chance from 50 to 50.1% bro just play 1000 matches of poker and you will win 2000 dollars from the house bro

>>714153392
luck plays a factor, but skill is 99% of the game
it's why you see the same players and not random lucky players at world series type events

>>714152960
Yeah, 20 years ago Starcarft pros realized poker is a gay game for babies, came in, took everyone's money and then went off to snort coke and fuck hookers in S. Korea.

>win at card game using basic probability
>casino gets mad, breaks your kneecaps

>>714153452
Casinos make billions on just a 0.1% edge dumbass

>>714152960
If I had a penny for every poker legend whose last name started with "Ng" I'd have two pennies
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice
Reddit tier copy pasta sorry but fits perfectly

>>714153709
the reason poker replaced faro was because the odds were stacked against the bank

>>714153709
The house usually makes 5% even when YOU win at poker retard. for black jack they are at about a 2% advantage with casino rules even if you are playing PERFECTLY which people often arent.
they have significantly more than a 0.1% advantage because they never play standard rules. they arent retarded.

>>714153927
99.9999999% of poker players don't play against the house unless they're a retard playing that retarded bonus hold em game with Like 15% house edge

Poker play3rs play against each other st a table of 8 or 9 and the house takes a small cut of each pot

>>714152538 (OP)
>maffs is hard

>>714154061
Good poker players can easily cover a 5% rake and make 10% or more on top of that

I RAISE

Best hand of all time
https://youtu.be/FnPurYEhPzA?si=W74FmmBZOUc87ge7

>>714152538 (OP)
I have to disagree. Back in my uni days, I used to partake in a smaller $50 buy-in poker tournaments twice a month and always the same few dudes ended up in the final table. Now there were usually three to four tables worth of players so we're not talking about some crazy tournament here but I sure as hell never won that shit and I would've called myself intermediate level player back then.

>>714153927
>poker odds are stacked in favor of the bank
I've never played poker against the dealer wtf

Anyone telling you the game isn't luck based is a stupid retard. If you need to do any risk management (which poker is 99% of the time fold fold fold and pretend to play once in a while to throw people at the table off, pretty similar to mahjong) then by definition your game is luck based. Nothing makes poker players seethe more than the new guy who plays completely "off meta" and wins because he got lucky, didn't thought about ranges beyond "my hand is likely good" and stops there. It doesn't fit their narrative. Reminds me of cryptocucks and stock brokies. Sure, in the long run when you're a decrepit 60 y.o boomer you kept a positive balance but you barely gained anything other than wasted time

>>714154572
It clearly can't be all luck if the same people are consistently winning but niggers will use it having luck as a form of cope for why they suck.

>>714154921
i raise... what u gonna do pussy?

>>714154832
People playing bad also pisses them off because for every poker "pro", there's a dozen fish who will take every bait and go all-in without reason. These pros have to not only beat the other pros, but beat some literal who that's got a massive chip stack because in a sea of retards, one of them is going to luck out. 99 of these fish will drop out after the first round but that's not what matters.
They try to cope and seethe about how it's actually more about skill but like you said, the skill is just folding 80% of hands. Poker is a retarded "sport", I'd rather watch nascar over it.

>>714154238
GO FISH!
i mean fist
i punch you

>>714154832
>kept a positive balance
https://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/ranking/all-time-money-list/

People that seethe about luck in poker are the same losing players that seethe about luck in xcom when niggers like chrisodd, beaglerush and marbozir consistently beat it on the highest difficulty without save scumming
Literally mad cuz bad

>>714155348
over the years, i very very deeply doubt that site is accurate at all
It barely lists anybody losing money over hundreds of pages, at a rate that doesnt just statisically make sense

>>714154832
I'd say Poker is actually a pretty high skill ceiling game, there's alot more to the game than meets the eye. If it was luck then some rando guys would show up at tournaments and win them but that happened only once and the guy was secretly very good and turned pro.

>>714152661
kys doyle

>Mario Party and Mario Kart are skill based because of minigames
If you read the poker/texas hold'em subreddit through this lens the posts become funny and less embarrassing

Filtered casuals

>>714156161
This any good?
Been thinking of pulling the trigger

we need a new inventory poker night game

>>714156558
>buncha waifus
>plus Leon
As nature intended

>>714156740
You know he won't touch any of them.

>>714156558
>skintight cat costume twink
sexo

>>714156245
All in Abyss is okay. Download it if you enjoy danganronpa and having RPG powers to cheat more than poker gameplay. It's a shame, I liked the anime aesthetics but dialogue, gameplay or even story aren't that great. Also one character meets an unfair fate all things considering. It's fun to battle against NPCs without using skills, but their AIs is easily exploitable. If this was instead a traditional poker multiplayer game like mahjong soul they would be billionaires already

>>714157026
Shame
Probably will still get it
So few single player poker vidya out there to fuck around in
RDR is one, literally bought every property in the game from playing cards
I'm a losing poker player for real money tho, but I don't blame luck like other faggots itt

>>714154832
>stock brokies. Sure, in the long run when you're a decrepit 60 y.o boomer you kept a positive balance but you barely gained anything other than wasted time
kek enjoy being poor

>popular game has an objectively more fun and mechanically deep counterpart
>not a single soul within a 500 mile radius knows how to play it or cares enough to learn

>>714157843
Wat gaem
Mahjong?

>>714156558
One change I would love to see strip poker night at the inventory make is removing all the franchise tags from the search tag menu since there's already a separate search source field, then you could scroll through a smaller list of actual trait tags.

>>714152661
>strategies go completely out of the window if your opponent plays randomly and has money to burn
what are you gonna do, talk me out of the ledge with a pair of kings? are you insane?

>>714158726
Pocket kings is only mathematically losing to one hand
Every other possible hand it is 80% or better
I will take a million spots like this and not think twice

>>714157217
you'll get mad and cope if I drop my Solana wallet itt poorfag

>>714159034
>Solana
yep, poorfag confirmed

>>714152538 (OP)
>game makes you rage

>>714157996
i don't know

Austin!

>>714152538 (OP)
You can still count cards to some extent in poker though it's most effectively used in blackjack

>>714152538 (OP)
The game is pure luck on a most fundamental level, but the skill comes from meta gaming the other players.

>>714162717
GTO says otherwise
Poker is nearly mathematically solved

>>714157843
STAYVUN
why?

>>714162809
Sure, but knowing what cards are left and thus the probability of what hands can still appear lets you game other players more effectively.

>>714163682
That's what gto is thoughbeit

>>714162809
>>714163915
Didn't need modern computing to calculate in my head that poker was solved
I am GTO before your modern gto theory

What is it with brainlets and risk management games that they think its somehow no longer strategic. Its the same shit with x-com. Yeah, sometimes you miss a 90% shot and sometimes you hit a 30%, that's how numbers work the point is to put yourself in situations where the former happening doesn't kill you and the latter happening isn't necessary to survive

>>714152661
>Can be the best bluffer.
>Someone calls you out based on a whim and you lose.
Skill, huh?

>>714152960
>oh my god this player got a CARD like did you see it like HOLY SHIT he had no control over it but they gave him a card and now he have a card HOLYSHITBROS LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOO
I will never understand this game.

>>714152960
so much sovl. nowadays most commentators sound like they are making a coaching video, tapping the tank and boring the audience at the same time

>>714152538 (OP)
if you shit yourself at the table but you have a lot of money down they can't kick you off, but the guy next to you might move.

>>714164640
Low T indicator. Go get that checked out.

Is having 5 cards in omaha more fun than 2 hole cards?

>>714165660
geez poker night 2 video game image didnt attach fast enough

people have made millions off poker. it's about finding the right lobbies, and knowing and trusting your mathematical win rate to put you in the green

>+EV move
>haha, if I were to play this hand five million times I'm going to win $2

>>714166615
>play lowstakes
>big win is small
Move up to the higher buy in tables

>>714152538 (OP)
Luck is getting double aces. Skill is convincing the others through your actions that you have shit/bluffing/low-tier card so that they don't fold and gamble more money you can then take.

>still have no idea how to play Poker after 30+ years
Can someone explain Poker to a retard like me?

>>714167545
Mastery is being a super user and/or being the host yourself with convincing play.

>>714167581
Its like Chess, in that its such an ubiquitous game thats terms are used in common language, that you are considered at least mildly retarded if you cant even figure out the rules.

>>714152538 (OP)
The entire reason poker fell off from where it was decades ago, which is doubly noteworthy due to the massive boom in the gambling industry as a whole, is because it’s TOO skill based

It’s not a game where an amateur can win. They will lose. Again and again and again and again and again.

>>714152960
What fucking cards did the other asshole have to think that he should call an all-in with a full house showing?

>>714167868
Yeah you can see it alot on that pros vs joes show
the vast majority of joes eat shit, even the ones that run hot
only a select few can actually consistently get wins

>>714168390
>>714167868
I don't think that's what killed online poker though. It's always had a fair amount of sharks that would prey on bad players but the bad players still had enough fun that they kept coming back. What killed it for good was the rise of bots.

>>714168250
Literally anything.
he said he "played the board" which meant he thought Scotty was bluffing and they had the same hand
Masterful reverse psychology from Scotty to get him to call

>>714168789
The skill floor also rose tremendously at low stakes with the rise of solvers so that even poorfags from 3rd world countries can play like Ivey and make their week's wage at 1c/2c

>>714153452
Poker is the only game in a casino the house doesn't play, anon. They just take a cut of every pot. That's why it has such better odds than everything else if you know what you're doing, the casino only cares that people play, they have no horse in the race they just charge admission

>>714170065
Then Why do they ban you immediately if they suspect you know how to count cards?

>>714170249
That's only in black Jack not poker retard

>>714153709
House edge is way more than that

>>714170065
>Poker
>the house doesn't play
He doesn't know about props and inhouse players.
Let me guess, you believe the WSOP and your poker tv celebrities aren't advertisers
Let's set aside the fact that these players collude

Casual op

>>714152859
but how boss. i'm just betting my own money.

The skill in poker is being a better sociopath than the other guy.

Retardbro here, how do casinos profit off poker when skilled players can win so easily?

>>714175308
because players play against each other while the dealer takes 2 to 4% on pots and tips from players in cash game/tournament poker, unless it's a variant like Ultimate/bonus THP which has you play against the house

>>714152661
I remember when Kevin Hart beat a professional poker player because he completely forgot what his hand was and didn't notice the player was trying to pull an elite bluff.

Poker is one of the only gambling games with actual skill involved. Sure, you can lose even if you play well because of bad luck, but your win rate and your payout rate overall should be higher for skillful players than the one of worse players.

I have never met a guy who calls card games just "luck" who actually knows how to play the game. Everything is luck. You being alive right now is luck, so shut the fuck up please. I've bluffed and won money with losing cards multiple times.

>>714154153
Good poker players make money from bad poker players though. Not from the house

>>714157843
>no club in a 300 mile radius
>start my own club, make a website
>suddenly 20 guys in my area who've all been playing riichi for the past 5 years show up
maybe all the mahjong players are just shy

>>714152538 (OP)
the strategy and skill is to raise your odds, not to guarantee them you retard. Too stupid to understand even a simple concept as this holy shit anon just end it.

>>714179346
That's what I said. But good poker players also have to make extra to cover what the house takes out of every pot

>>714179206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-F0KSuupz8

>>714152673
>Be really good at poker
>Casino throws you out

>>714179278
Posot your hand history
You do track them, no?

>>714183058
Casino doesn't give a shit about if you're winning at poker unless you're driving other players away.
Its blackjack they get uppity if you start doing too well