Ok /v/, if you're so smart how would you fix the franchise?

>>714159080 (OP)
you literally can't. the core fundamentals of halo are just outdated and if you change anything too much then it's not halo anymore.

Just shut it down, old bungie were the only ones that understood it, and they're dead.

>>714159080 (OP)
Female spartans getting raped by Brutes

>>714159080 (OP)
>Invent time machine
>Stop making Halo games after Reach

>>714159527
Female spartans raping marines. And me having sex with Kat.

>>714159080 (OP)
focus on the casual sandbox element

>>714159080 (OP)
Stop being afraid to be Halo. Do everything Halo did in its glory days and focus on making these features the best they can possibly be. Launch feature complete. Stop trying to chase fucking trends and making a worse version of more popular things. Make a completely unapologetically Halo game. No sprint "no engagement optimized sbmm" no FOMO no Battle Royale no manufactured esports etc. Don't chase the CoD/Fortnite/etc. audience, you aren't getting them. Remember what the fuck your story is supposed to be, which is an Aliens/Predator/Terminator/Starship Troopers inspired sci fi game set to gregorian chants and rock music.
Counterstrike doesn't thrive trying to be games that aren't Counterstrike. Halo would thrive just fucking being Halo.

>>714159080 (OP)
Resurrect any of the named Forerunner AI, make it Durandal tier, have it take the player on a ride that ignores whatever story garbage they did so far.

>>714159080 (OP)
>Better level designs
>New enemies that aren't tedious to kill (Covenentfags are ok, the things from halo 4 sucked)
>Keep grapple hook, make the upgraded cooldown baseline
>Remove tedious power seed parts of missions
>Remove open world, or at least put effort into it instead of making a hexagonal pillar world
>Focus on single player content instead of co-op/multiplayer
Simple as

>>714159080 (OP)
go back to the setting being a smaller scale semi trippy space action game like halo 1 and marathon rather than having it be a grand space opera war game.

>>714159080 (OP)
>remember how Halo 3 was famous for its social elements, sandbox, physics and perfect artstyle?
>just do that again but better

>>714160314
Except any earnest attempt to iterate on Halo's formula will still get shat on by Halo fans as trend chasing, which Bungie themselves did plenty of (EX: Firefight was a blatent attempt to ape Left4Dead making horde mode a trend at the time)

People accuse Halo 5's movement mechanics as trend chasing andd being "not halo", but 5 felt closer to H2 to me in some ways then 3 did because it's movement enabled more verticality and platforming in it's map design, which is something 3, reach, and 4 did much less then CE and especially 2

>>714160376
Halo 3's core gameplay and maps (and narrative and campaign and soundtrack) were a big step down from 2's

>>714159080 (OP)
A bunch of Spartans on a unsc ship enter a warpgate and arrive in 40k.

>>714159080 (OP)
i've been having fun in infinite
maybe a slightly longer TTK

>>714159080 (OP)
Not ever gonna happen since Mircosoft only hires talentless jeets.

>>714159080 (OP)
Make a true successor to halo 3. A continuation of the story including master chief, make campaign coop friendly, then do firefight, forge and a medium sized multiplayer on top. Faithful to the old artstyle, some new things but no crazy new ideas in there. Don't aim for groundbreaking new mechanics or changes. Maybe even advertise it as a franchise reboot like Modern Warfare 2019 did. If a competent studio did it on a medium to large but *not bloated* budget it would have a good shot at getting halo back on track. I think it's extremely important not to aim for the next big live service mega product homerun, but I'm just a guy phoneposting at work so what do I know.

>>714160314
>Remake halo 1 again for the millionth time
You boring fanboys never learn, multi decade long stagnation is not how you maintain an IP let alone revive one. You would think sci-fi fans would have learnt from starwars but they can't help but ask for the same shit over and over even when it's proven that's not actually what they want.

It was always bad but landed at the exact right time.

>>714159080 (OP)
let id software take a stab at it i suppose. the vehicular stuff in doom the dark ages seems to serve exactly no purpose other than to wink at MS and show that their engine is equipped for halo tanks or whatever. some of the more open levels lean strongly in a halo sandbox type direction also

>>714160314
Well they're doing a remake of Halo 1 but in UE5 so we'll see how badly they can fuck it up.

>>714160765
Id makes mobile games with an FPS skin, I'd rather see machinegames make a new single player halo.

At this point probably do side stories set during the war for a while. Halo needs to be more about killing covies than killing forerunner crap, and there's a decades of war material they can expand on like Reach.

>>714159080 (OP)
put a girl in it, make her gay

>>714160870
This was the tv show

>>714159080 (OP)
>make good campaign, with open spaces and huge fights + corridors and structures to mix in between
>multiplayer server based with tons of modes
>release forge/cinema/campaign/multiplayer when launching like every game should
>add maps as dlc/Seasons or whatever shit u want
Profit

They need to get back to giving ships cool names. I don't know where you go from "Forward Unto Dawn" but its not "Infinity".

i'd make a spiritual successor but only after a decade. i wouldn't advertise as a halo spiritual successor. i'd just advertise it as a cool new IP and let people make the connection themselves.

>>714159080 (OP)
>Ok /v/, if you're so smart how would you fix the franchise?
Kill it after Reach, because Halo 3 is the definitive end point. It's like continuing Lord of the Rings after Return of the King.

>>714161185
This.
Halo needs to die. It only became what it is now because it wasn't allowed to end.

>>714161157
This is the real answer, I've wanted something like this for a while. It is the only way to escape the immobilising expectations of fans while still allowing for a re-entry into the universe, the only issue is it assumes anyone in the western game industry is capable of crafting a compelling sci-fi universe in 2025.

>>714160314
there's literally, and i mean literally, nothing wrong with sprint in a halo game. linking it to cod and twitch shooters is autism and you're just making yourself mad for no reason. it's no different to halo 2 adding hijacking, or 3 adding throwable items. adding new elements to established gameplay doesn't suddenly make the game bad. use your brain and judge a game on its own merits. halo 5 and 6 have sprint and their gameplay is fun. halo 4 has sprint and its gameplay is ass, and it would still be ass if it didn't have sprint as well. stop shitting on sprint and focus your energy on the actual crappy aspects of these games. you elitists are so blinded by your hatred of the new games you can't even appreciate when they actually do some cool things. i bet we'll never get throwable fusion coils or vehicles that warn you they're about to explode ever again because "it simply isn't halo".

love halo but for the love of christ why are mcc's achievements so fucking gay

>>714161476
Sprint is bad for Halo's high TTK IMO. It only kind of works in Infinite because they gimped it so bad it barely makes a different and is practically a placebo.
Also
>Halo 2 adding jacking
This was good
>Halo 3 adding throwable items
This was mostly bad
>Throwable fusion coils
This is good
>Vehicles warn you they're going to explode
This is bad

>>714162053
>>Halo 2 adding jacking
>This was good
It trivialized outdoor levels because you can just hijack a wraith and kill everything

Make a campaign centered around the Elites. Also make Halo Wars 3. Halo Wars 2 was the only good thing 343i ever accomplished

>>714162737
meh halo needs humans too
and i think around halo 2 bungie said they don't want you fighting humans
but that was the 2000s lmao

>>714162737
I want a good Halo strategy game

>>714162053
>Sprint is bad for Halo's high TTK IMO
stopped reading here. there's four halo games with sprint in them and two of them (5 and 6) play just fine.

>>714161476
The problem with sprint is it gets in the way of moving and shooting at the same time based gameplay, and makes firefights less fun because people can just sprint away when their shields get low. It's not a purely additive feature, it changes the core gameplay for the worse. I am not an elitist, I play many other games. When I want Halo, I want Halo. I don't want Halo trying to be something else that I could just play instead.

>>714162053
>Vehicles warn you they're going to explode
>This is bad
absolute tastelet

WOW

>>714159080 (OP)
You cant. You'd need to somehow go back to the social climate of the Halo days Halo was part about the game and part about the people playing it you'll never get the latter back ever

>>714164724
>the problem with sprint is it gets in the way of moving and shooting at the same time based gameplay
>and makes firefights less fun because
this is subjective. not only that, but halo infinite showed that the vast majority of people, both old and new fans, actually found sprint to be quite fun and overall gameplay of halo infinite to be fluid and balanced. it was only until other glaring issues with the game became apparent that everyone fucked off. image how lame and gay the grappling hook would've been if you couldn't sprint and slide into it.

>>714164724
i take it you didn't play halo 3 then since the devs were trying something else with the pick up items? did you also drop halo 2 since the dual wielding absolutely destroyed the balance of half the guns? or are these all fine and dandy because you played them as a kid and weren't opinionated yet?

>>714160463
>Halo 3's core gameplay and maps (and narrative and campaign and soundtrack) were a big step down from 2's
Now I know you're trolling

>>714165302
nta but
>pick up items
hasnt it existed since CE?
>duel wielding absolutely destroyed the balance of half the guns
who cares about balance in a singleplayer game?? you have different guns that shoot in different ways and they are fun. thats it.

>>714165712
i have no words

>>714159080 (OP)
Halo CE, 2 and 3 were a perfect, self contained trilogy, nothing more was needed.
>but how is it meant to go on forever?
It's not.

>>714165302
Halo 3's pickups are a completely additive feature that don't affect the core gameplay and dual wielding being a nightmare for weapon balance is something literally nobody disagrees with and was fucking removed from future entries so what point are you even making here? I literally still play Infinite so go play with your mental strawman if you want to argue with some imaginary elitist instead of have a discussion with someone who actually wants to save the franchise instead of doubling down on what's killing it.

>>714160843
I don't think I can set my expectations any lower, but I know they'll find a way to surprise me.

>>714161476
Sprint forces maps to be designed with that movement speed in mind, making them larger in general. The fact you can't shoot while sprinting forces you to spend stretches of gameplay doing nothing except moving from point A to B. That you think there's nothing wrong with the Sprint mechanic makes you a fucking retard. They could easily have made like Doom or Half Life where Sprint doesn't lock down your actions with a dumb "tacticool" animation.

I guarantee you this, if they removed that limitation, nobody would have a problem with Sprint.

>>714165951
>dual wielding being a nightmare for weapon balance is something literally nobody disagrees with
so you only play halo one then? oh wait, that game has horrendous balance too because of the broken pistol. hmmm...so i guess infinite does actually have the best gameplay out of every halo? unless you genuinely, truly, deeply. think dual wielding made for a healthier game than some neat added mobility that everyone in the match has.

or you could just be honest with me and admit that you don't like sprint because 343 have done so many damage to halo that any aspect they've added to the series, whether good or bad, is received with disdain. i got no problem with people hating 343's games. i think they're bad for a 100 different reasons, but i just people would stop with this meme 's-sprint is fundamentally flawed a-and not fun!!' argument. i sure as shit had less fun with all my automatic weapons functioning like shit in halo 2 that i did being able to sprint in infinite.

>>714165951
>dual wielding being a nightmare for weapon balance
The needlers. He means the needlers. He's coping and seething because he got supercritical'd by dual needlers one too many times.

>>714166578
>you don't like sprint because 343 have done so many damage to halo that any aspect they've added to the series, whether good or bad, is received with disdain
Bungie added Sprint with Reach dummy, it was despised even back then.

>>714166275
>sprint forces maps to be designed with that movement speed in mind, making them larger in general
>t-that's bad because i-it just is ok
i've played these so called ginormous maps. the game play fines. what's the problem?

there is no argument to be had here. you're trying to argue a preference as if it's a fundamental, undeniable truth. you don't like sprint, that's fine, but don't lecture me about how it's fundamentally broken and can never work and is simply unfun and it ruined the absolutely impeccable balance of the halo games that came before.

>>714166578
You're again implying I'm saying people should quit games due to flaws they have rather than actually addressing them, which I already told you I literally still play Infinite. Sprint has been a problem since Reach. 343 did not make Reach. You're a faggot with retarded arguments and argue in bad faith.
>>714166796
Bitch that was me abusing the needlers because I was a shitter during Halo 2's hayday.

>>714166852
>Bungie added Sprint with Reach dummy, it was despised even back then.
do you want to hazard a guess as to why sprint in that game is different to sprint in the games that came after? do you seem to think that sprint in reach, 4, 5 and 6 is exactly the same in all 4 games?

>>714166980
>sprinting forces you to spend stretches of gameplay doing nothing except moving from point A to B
This is the problem. I'm sorry you have a reading comprehension problem, or you're just too slow witted to pick up on things the rest of us are able to notice, but that doesn't make Sprint good, it makes you a fucking nitwit.

>>714167172
>sprinting forces you to spend stretches of gameplay doing nothing except moving from point A to B
what is this cope bro? did you even play the games? how are you going 5-10 minutes at a time not shooting someone? and i'm the one arguing in bad faith apparently.

>>714167314
Nobody said 5-10 minutes. Stretches of a few seconds at a time add up. You must have fucking grown up with Halo 4 to be defending Sprint this hard, so it's not even because it's good, it's because it's your childhood.

>>714167156
why do you keep bringing up reach. sprint in reach is not the same as sprint in 5 and 6.

>>714165519
Not at all, honestly curious what you disagree on.

2's movement is much more responsive, the gunplay has less spread, and the jumps are higher. I'll give you that H3 has better BTB maps, but 2's 4v4 maps are much better in large part because of that verticality and platforming emphasis: The only map H3 has that are comparable to Lockout, Turf, Sanctuary, etc is Guardian, and it doesn't even have nearly as many jumps or points of vertical interplay as those. Halo 3 also has almost no original music tracks and what tracks it does reuse ffrom CE and H2 tend to be covered in a more generic orchestral style

I don't think I even need to cover the writing: H3 butchers Truth's personality and doesn't pay off on what H2 was setting up his true motives as; it makes the Gravemind act like an idiot to justify it losing, the Arbiter is almost entirely sidelined, etc. Halo 2 in general is just unambiguously considered to have the best story in the series.

>>714167463
no actually i despised everything about halo 4. i think it's the worst halo game by a far margin. completely unsalvageable. the sprint in the game was far too fast compared to the regular run. i also hated sprint in reach, because not everyone has access. i like when halo games start everyone on equal footing. but i have no problem with sprint in 5 and 6. see unlike you, i can judge games on their own merits. i don't hate new features just because previous entries did not have them, and then try to form arguments after the fact to try and explain why they're fundamentally broken and ruin the flow of the game. if sprint was that fundamentally awful, people would not have praised infinite's gameplay like they did at release. you can keep coping and denying this all you want, but this is what you anti-sprint tards are actually doing.

>>714159080 (OP)
Ghosts of Onyx adaptation and continuation. And decanonize Karen Traviss books

>>714167848
I see, you grew up on 5 and 6 and you're even fucking younger than I thought.

i'm tired so i'm gonna peace out. fuck you guys. stop shitting on sprint. be honest and hate the games for proper reasons like sensible men.

>>714167918
this is pathetic cope dude. i grew up on CE.

>>714159080 (OP)
>H2A multi as a base
>classic art style
>no open world
>mix between tight linear levels and wider non-linear ones
>no FUCKING open world
>actual server/mod tools and map editor available from the start
>every cosmetic is ACTUALLY obtainable by just playing the damn game
>expanded firefight mode

>>714167918
Not that anon but I've been playing Halo since 2003 and I also think sprint is a meme non-issue. Most of the arguements against it don't hold up, even if I also think it doesn't contribute anything postive

Thrust, slide, and hover in H5 did contribute positive things though, see >>714160463, they synergize with CE and H2's emphasis on platforming and vertical mobility

>>714159080 (OP)
Halo infinite could've actually done really well if it launched with content. The core gameplay was solid and it legitimately felt like halo but the game was so barebones that everyone dropped it 2 months after it came out.

>>714168104
Fuck off retard.

>>714168101
finally someone with some sense. thank you.

>>714167537
>the gunplay has less spread
NTA but this is one of the things I think Halo 3 did better, everyone spawning with a stupid strong hitscan laser beam BR made the multiplayer feel very one-note most of the time.

Remember this?

>>714168101
>Most of the arguements against it don't hold up
So there are arguments that don't hold up?
>Thrust
Not Sprint
>slide
Not Sprint
>hover
Not Sprint, I don't really care about any of those. I care about Sprint. Sprint would be fine if it didn't lock you into an animation where nothing happens, but it does. I'd be completely fine if it worked like Half Life's Sprint, but it doesn't, so it's awful. Calling it a meme issue because everybody talks about it is a stupid thing to say.

>>714159379
fippity bippity
>>714160234
this is what I would like, make Mario maker but halo. you could argue that mcc is that already but it's too clumsy as a package and has too much baggage at this point

>>714159080 (OP)
bro just let it die

>>714167537

I can agree on the multiplayer side to a point and about the writing but it's a videogame writing isn't the point H3's campaign is way more fun to play and have better levels than H2 which is still really good but Arby's levels aren't great

>>714159080 (OP)
None. The series has been dead ever since this incompetent studio took over the IP.

>>714159080 (OP)
By ending it
Not everything needs to keep continuing

>>714168908
>H3's campaign is way more fun to play and have better levels than H2
So let's talk about Cortana.

>>714164658
retarded 343 shill

>>714168765
>muh meme millisecond of not being able to shoot?
fucking retard honestly. nigger it takes half a second to break out of sprint and back into a shooting stance. there's a delay between throwing grenades and shooting, and punching and shooting too you know. you're also not going to be sprint while you're actively engaged in a fight, so it doesn't even affect your fights. the enemy can use it to run away but it's not a god damn teleport. they have to turn their back and take on the added risk of having their back turn to someone actively shooting them. it also synergise with the slide, and the thrust, and the hover, and the grapple hood, so it adds a lot more than it takes away. get a grip.

>>714163896
>marketing a strategy game to Halo kiddies
It’s a miracle we even got a Halo Wars 2

>>714169259
no i just have a brain and don't just adopt whatever retarded argument i saw in a favyn video once because i was really upset that 343 butchered yet another game

>>714169006
yeah 1 level when H2 got sacred icon and quarantine zone that AREN'T good at all and over reliance on elevator/gondola sections drags it down

while it still sucks you can just run through Cortana even with those annoying blue woman/fart voice jumpscares

>we keep making games with sprint and they keep failing what could we possibly do differently

>>714169418
Watch 343 now Halo Studios add sprint to the CE remake.

there's nothing you can do to fix it other than fixing the matchmaking so you can:
see how many players are in each queue
ban maps, prefer maps
prefer gamemode (I love bomb and skulls FFA)
trying to queue FFA objective is suffering that need not be

>>714169405
>every game with sprint added as a core movement mechanic has failed miserably with MCC regularly having more players despite being a collection of old games that don't even get updated
>but 5 and 6 were good guys I swear
retarded 343 shill

Retire master chief, make a bunch of spinoff games that take themselves seriously within the lore. Helldivers 2, that could have been a halo game for example.

>>714167973
halo 4 was a mistake, sprint sucks ass
it barely works in reach because the maps are bigger, I mean they should just turn the fucking armor abilities off in queue jetpack niggers ruin everything

>>714169487
>Watch 343 now Halo Studios add sprint to the CE remake.

>>714169645
I meet people who say halo 4 was their first halo game and talk about 5 as being good
they don't know the good eats that came before and are too retarded faggot zoomers to understand, they are all gay

>>714169857
It's the halo cycle, it's a hell of a thing

Fixing Halo is easy. Core gameplay loop is perfect, at least somewhere in the mix. We all debate which one did it but just pick 3 or reach or whatever.

>Halo needs a Halo.
Thats it. A real physically modelled in world halo gives the gameplay a fresh sandbox to lean into. It has to be a mini Halo. UNSC builds a tiny halo about of fragments of broken ones. Then covies invade and we redo Halo 1. Chief is getting woken up to get retired because new Spartans make him unnecessary but they attack right then and put him in the fight.

Why it has to be a real Halo. First, it fulfills the promise of the original game. The skyboxes, huge levels, opening in space, all really push the Halo as a real thing. The next Halo delivers it for real. And we get shit like crazy day night cycles, especially if you include a planet and sun + spinning ring. Sniping the upturned curve. Doing real odst style drops in game. Redoing the chief space jump in real gameplay. All that takes the perfect gameplay loop that we all agree is somewhere in the series, and deepens it with the setting and not some new gimmick.

>>714159080 (OP)
I would go back to the RTS and co-op roots of the franchise and make a game that combines both approaches. Basically you and your buddies control a giant mobile base that can grow larger and produces smaller vehicles and weapons. You move across the open world and do raids on alien settlements to obtain new sources and unlock technology. You would need to be smart about how you use resources as vehicles and strategic weapons would be lost if the raid fails. Open world progression is also linear, aka you can advance into more dangerous territory as the tanks gets bigger and stronger. Eventually the mobile base would gain the ability to fly and you would use it to breath the enemy mothership in the sky or in space. The plot can be more like Warhammer 40k, Cortana would be back and she would scold you constantly whenever you fuck up.

>>714169927
>UNSC builds a tiny halo about of fragments of broken ones
That sounds stupid, the entire point of the Halo ring was that it was built by a mysterious precursor race that may or may not be humanity themselves tens of thousands of years ago in a war against a horrific parasitic alien species. The mystery is entirely gone now, there is no bringing that back.

>>714159080 (OP)
Kill it. It's had its peak and it's overstayed its welcome for a very long time at this point. Ideally utilize a time machine to expunge parts of the franchise, leaving only:
>Halo 1
>Halo 2
>Halo 3
>Halo Reach
>ODST
>Halo Wars

>>714170212
>Basically you and your buddies control a giant mobile base that can grow larger and produces smaller vehicles and weapons.
This is too close to Tiberium Twilight, tread carefully.

>>714169927
A mini Halo is a perfect open world map. It is naturally narrow and directional. I would set it up to by a dynamic war game like shadows of wars where you are battle territories and it's not the same experience from playthroughs. Each width of ring can contain 3 territories and you launch in and take them over and advance your position. This could be extended into multiplayer with large scale battlefield territory takeover games or even a battle royale on a ring would be interesting. Near the end of the game, the ring should get destroyed and the player is limited to fragments of the ring. This could be used in multiplayer as well.

>>714170234
T2 did the same shit and future humans basically gave the tech to past humans. It could certainly work to add to this mythology instead of detract from it.

>>714159379
This and on top of that if you did make Modern FPS with Halo setting no one would be interested because Halo art direction is gay as fuck and looks dated.
Like take covenant, they look like fucking clowns. Most of the shit looks like toys.
Halo is dead. Period.

>>714170234
>The mystery is entirely gone now, there is no bringing that back.
There could be other things about the Halos that could be discovered and humanity clumsily putting pieces into each other like a retarded child assembling a musket and staring down the barrel to figure out how it works would be the perfect excuse to unlock some of those mysteries in interesting ways.

>>714170276
Halo Wars was good and I will leave this hill littered with the corpses of anybody who denies it

>>714170234
>>714170406
You are thinking to narrowly. What does Halo need? Halo needs a real Halo. The story we take to get there isnt meaningless, but it is to serve the purpose of the gameplay that building a real Halo in world would do. And, the in world ones are too big, so the story has to shrink one somehow. Maybe they find a tiny one in deep space. The first ring.

>>714170653
Infinite tried this and it was so stupid they resolved the plot thread in a book. Again.

>>714167537
you are a tasteless retard

>>714159080 (OP)
It can't be fixed. The series was intrinsically linked with the Xbox brand, and carried the flag. Now that Xbox is dead under modern day MS, Halo simply cannot recapture that early-late '00s glory. Even if you take away all the pajeets, sheboons and fags that have destroyed the IP, you'd still have an IP with no identity, with (virtually) none of the original creators, and a (miniscule) fanbase that has no idea what it wants and will commit jihad on every little gameplay change or new gimmick.

>>714159080 (OP)
Throw everything post reach into the bin
Make it canon that humans are the forerunners
Next game you play as a marine

>>714170740
>343 tried this
If 343 tried to make a sandwich they'd burn the kitchen down, this is a meaningless critique on the idea itself. The best idea you could come up with would be butchered by them and you'd be a liar to say otherwise.

>>714170740
You are retarded. Do you not get the point is to get the game player into a real physically modelled 3d Halo ring. You tell me a story that gets us there that is better. The point is, that is how you fix Halo. The only thing that matters is if there is a real Halo in the next one. That is technically incredible and mechanically very interesting. That's the point.

>>714170915
You may have a point

>>714163027
There can be humans and you don’t need to fight them. Make a game about the Great Schism where you play as an Honor Guard escaping from High Charity or something and you run into human POWs and escape together with them. Or do something with the Banished, maybe some small Elite team defects from them and the Banished hunt them down

>>714170394
That was only a problem in C&C4 because it was throwing an extremely deeply established, well-liked gameplay formula in the trash because EA wanted to save a few dollars by making what was (IIRC) a free-to-play multiplayer title into a full-fledged series entry that also spectacularly fucked up all sorts of stuff outside of the gameplay as well. It wouldn't be a problem at all for this hypothetical original RTS game.

>>714159080 (OP)
I'd release the source code for all of the Bungie games under the GPL license so that fans can do whatever they want with it.

>>714171095
I don't disagree, I'm just malding about C&C4. There's a world where a sequel to Kane's Wrath was done right and I'd still be playing it to this day. I don't live in that world.

>>714160314
Halo was popular only because it was the best console FPS at the time (2001-2007), the formula itself is stale and cannot complete with the other giants.

>>714159080 (OP)
-Add the ability to control your aerial momentum like in source/quake engine games. On top of that, make the movement speed faster in general. You can sack sprint now. Better yet, keep sprint, but allow hip fire and keep the sliding from infinite. Now sprint is more acceptable to halo fans because it's not like COD sprint.
-Add various forms of progression throughout a match. Ability to upgrade weapons with variants. Like using a weapon you picked up and later being able to go to a part of the map to upgrade/exchange it for a more powerful variant. We already have weapon variants, might as well work with them in a more interesting manner.
-Focus more on sandbox elements. Halo needs destruction on the level of battlefield and the ability to pick up random objects that you can just use as weapons. 343 went in the right direction with picking up fusion coils and batteries. They need to take it a step further.
-Add a map editor. You can keep forge and literally change nothing from infinite's forge. But give fans a map editor for more freedom. Along with this, allow a gametype maker as well where you can script your own gametypes from scratch in C# or whatever code 343 wants to use.
-retcon 4,5, infinite, hw2, spartan assault and spartan strike. Start from scratch with a new halo 4. Keep forerunners mysterious. Introduce a new type of enemy that acts a defense mechanism to forerunner tech. Like sentinels and monitors. Keep the Sangheilli-Human alliance. Make brutes fun to fight. Add new covenant factions and races since the covenant is an imperial force anyways. Create a proper nu-covenant uprising with charismatic leaders like the prophets. We can keep Atriox, just do him right this time.
-Stop with the off-screen deaths and plot points that require you to read a book/comic series to fully understand. Halo's plot is game first, everything else second.

>>714170234
Most of the sense of mystery was gone after Halo 1, that's why Halo 2 pivoted the core of the story to be a more character-driven piece about politics and religious extremism.

>>714168908
>H3's campaign is way more fun to play

Shit I forgot to talk about this in my reply

But no, i don't agree here. Cairo, Outskirts,Metropolis, Delta Halo, Regret, Gravemind, The Great Journey, and maybe Uprising are all 8/10 or better missions, wheras Halo 3 only has 3-4 missions in the campaign in that quality tier or better... that said, I will grant it that "The Covenant" in Halo 3 is straight up the best mission in the entire franchise, easily

>>714169406
Sacred Icon isn't good but it's not bad, you can skip like 80% of the mission by just running past shit, same with Quarantine zone if you use a Ghost, though the gondola section is an unavoidable pain unless you exploit out of bounds

I do agree The Oracle is even worse then Cortana, though

>>714159080 (OP)
For multiplayer its starting point would have to be not live-service, which means corpos would turn it down outright. And therein lies the problem; the goal isn't to make a good game for good value for the customer

>>714171461
>allow a gametype maker as well where you can script your own gametypes from scratch in C# or whatever code 343 wants to use.
That was Bungie's plan for Reach, but it never made it out the door until the MCC mod tools released.

>>714159527
>>714160153
Marines having sex with female brutes

>>714170234
Hire a science fiction writer and tell him to come up another Halo-related mystery.

>>714170394
Well it's an idea that has been floating around for a while. On a smaller scale it would be Lethal Company with guns.

>>714159080 (OP)
i'd bring in 343 or whatever they're calling their studio these days and have them make suggestions, and then avoid doing any of them. and it should shape up to be a fine game.

>>714171461
Story wise I would personally do a big time skip so as to ignore everything that happened in the 343 sequels. 200 years in the future, pick Master Chief from a fridge and works with Cortana 2.0 which might or might not be related to the original.

>introduce a new faction 20 years into the franchise that are somehow “worse than the flood”
>they don’t appear or do anything and are never mentioned again
What were they thinking?

>>714159080 (OP)
put everyone in an Ecuadorian prison camp including the executives and middle managers that ever had even the slightest influence on the game. um then we have to find a dev team that out of all the faggots lying on their resumes and lying about their love for halo just so they can desperately get a job. then we have to somehow align with the vision of the original halo team. it's impossible and will have to happen by divine intervention

>>714172929
>thinking

>>714172929
What was their name again?

>>714171764
What was stopping Microsoft from just turning Halo into Destiny?

>>714170658
I will fight on this hill alongside you

>>714173089
incompetence

>>714172929
They don't think, the endless are another entry in 343's endless lineup of "le ancient evil" enemies that somehow get written out as fast as they are introduced

>>714159080 (OP)
remove sprint
remove ADS from non-scoped weapons
increase base movement speed
keep story very minimal

>>714162427
>t trivialized outdoor levels because you can just hijack a wraith and kill everything
I think it's nice that you get rewarded for trying to do that, especially when the pistol didn't have the EMP yet.

HOW TO FIX GAYLO. A GUIDE BY ANON:
>STEP 1
LEAVE THE CHIEF BE. HE HAS BEEN DUG OUT OF HIS GRAVE TOO MANY TIMES. LET HIM GO.
>STEP 2
MAKE A PLOTLINE IN THE FUTURE, THAT'S RIGHT, GO FORWARD IN TIME. IGNORE ALL THE SHIT WITH CHIEF AND HIS EXPLOITS, WRITE BOOKS AND SHIT ABOUT THEM IF YOU WANT I DONT CARE
>STEP 3
FOCUS ON THE DIFFERENT RACES OF THE COVENNANT AND HOW THEY'RE TRYING TO FILL THE POWER VACUUM THE COVENANT CRATED. THIS COULD MEAN ELITES ARE EITHER GOOD GUYS OR BAD GUYS OR NEUTRAL GUYS.
>STEP 4:
MAKE THE CAMPAIGN REPLAYABLE, AND THE GIMMICK IS YOU CAN SEND A UNSC SHIP TO "BACK" A SPECIES TO START A NEW ALLIANCE TO HOPEFULLY QUELL THE FIGHTING BETWEEN SPECIES. THIS IS TIED TO DIFFICULTY:
>EASY: ELITES
>NORMAL: JACKALS
>HEROIC: BRUTES
>LEGENDARY: GRUNTS
CONGRATS YOU NOW HAVE REPLAY VALUE FOR YOUR CAMPAIGN. COOL. MAKE THE PROTAG (YOU)R SPARTAN LIKE REACH. MAKE NPCS FOR EACH SPECIES. WHAM BAM THANK YOU MA'AM.
>STEP 5
MAKE MULTIPLAYER LIKE A MIX OF 2 AND 3. SANDBOX. FUN MAPS-
SPEAKING OF MAPS JUST USE COMMUNITY MAPS. 343 CANT MAKE MAPS FOR SHIT.
NO ARMOR UPGRADES OR GAY SHIT
NO HITSCAN OR GAY SHIT LIKE THAT
MAKE FORGE SHIP AT LAUNCH YOU RETARDS
CONGRATS HALO IS SAVED

>>714160314
Only accurate post in this thread btw. Such a crazy idea that Microsoft can't for the life of them understand -- make a Halo that is actually Halo instead of trendchasing. That's all anyone wanted since Halo 3 and Reach, and frankly only an utter RETARD would be unable to understand this.

>>714159080 (OP)
Publicly fire all the woke staff, making a spectacle of it going from top to bottom on a livestream.

"Next. Blue hair? Get out you're fired. Next."

>>714169645
>disingenuous retard ignoring all the other faults of the 343 games to support his weak argument
>disingenuous retard ignoring the fact that infinite was successful at launch and the gameplay was well praised
>disingenuous retard can't comprehend why a collection made up of 6 FULL games, all with a rich legacy, is doing better that the new game that flopped because the devs released yet another half finished mess
>it must be the sprint. nothing else. just the sprint.
>clearly the halo fans prefer the balance of duel wielding and armor abilities to sprint. those are perfectly balance while sprint is fundamentally broken. i mean, why else would MCC have more players? the numbers don't lie.
actual fucking dimwit

>>714171670
Halo 2 has the better campaign, but halo 3 wasn’t far behind it. The levels might not have been as memorable but there were a lot of fun moments in both campaigns. The vehicle sections of halo 2 are still peak, the multiplayer maps and their remakes hold up well. Linking 2 xboxes to tvs and playing with 8 people against each other was an unmatched multiplayer experience. Doing a super jump and sniping the whole match was so much fun on some of those gigantic maps. If you had a modded xbox there were so many stupid and broken guns, tons of custom maps.

>>714168807
>fippity bippity

what?

i hate bungie fans just about as much as 343 fans at this stage. all of you. every single one of you. the devs, the old fags, the new fags, the redditors, the 4channers, the youtubers, the halo forum users, the CE fags, the reach fags, the 2 fags, the anti-sprint fags, the book fags, the lore fags, the alien forerunner apologists, you've all made enjoying these games an insufferable experience. i hope to god i never find another franchise i enjoy.

>>714174020
it's new zoomer slang. he's calling OP a fag.

>>714173024
The endless?

Return to what made Halo great:
Open world
More comedy
More celebrity voice actors
Wingsuits
Gay pride battlepass every season
Borderlands weapons
Spartans not wearing helmets so we can be emotionally invested in their stories
Cinematic kills
Dating mini game

>>714174167
>Damn Halo fans! They ruined Halo!

>>714159080 (OP)
Fall of Reach, Flood and First strike trilogy, all with the same multiplayer.
Or just retcon everything after 3 and make a new halo 4 but good

It needs to go away and come back again with a Doom style reboot when they have something original to say.

>>714174587
>a Doom style reboot
gross, they're already trying that btw

>>714174557
>just retcon everything after 3 and make a new halo 4 but good
This guy gets it. As far as I'm concerned, a sequel to Halo 3 has never been made

>>714159080 (OP)
Go back to basics.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6YdPRyW0DA

>>714160463
>Halo 3's core gameplay and maps (and narrative and campaign and soundtrack) were a big step down from 2's
Only one of those was a step down, and I bet you have no clue which one despite how obvious it is.

>>714176462
They all were. You just started the series late.

>>714173024
>>714174317
The Forgettables.

Just like everything else 343 has tried to add to their halo games and then soon after forgotten.

>>714173837
>words words words
>and yet 343 still hasn't made a good halo game
retarded 343 shill

>>714177283
That’s a lot of words for you?

>>714177669
it was a lot of words to not prove a point

>>714159080 (OP)
first of all everything 343 made is not canon and will be rebranded as Gaylo
every game made henceforth must be contained within the harvest to halo 3 timeline
we will begin with making a game where you play as an elite during the fall of high charity, because thats fucking cool