How is this legal

>>714187267 (OP)
That's how law works in Japan.

reminder that shu takumi wanted to kill off half the cast in the last case.

Is it legal for edgeworth to do what he did in the first game?

Where he presented "illegal" evidence, and then when told that wasn't allowed, he just said "yes, this evidence is technically inadmissable, but it is now burned in the minds of the jury and judge and removing the evidence won't change that"

He's right though. Does a lawyer get fired for that?

>>714187939
it's the same game where you have to do shit like interrogate a bird and get saved by your boss's ghost possesing your assistant that's also her sister

>>714188372
Yeah, i know the series is wacky, but I'm just curious what would happen if you used this strat in real life.

>>714187939
That was Franziska in JFA, no? Anyway yes because it worked. Obviously in real life fucking NO lmao.
If I was Phoenix I would've just claimed it was photoshop or a realistic painting. What's she gonna do about it? Submit it as evidence?

>>714187939
IRL that would be a mistrial and you'd get in a shitload of trouble, obviously.

>>714188695
both of those excuses are fucking ridiculous

>>714188991
So a murderer can go free on mistrial technicality just because a lawyer presents wrong evidence?

>>714189054
Alright, let me hear some GOOD REAL EVIDENCE for spirit channeling being real then.

>>714187267 (OP)
Ace Attorney world is crazy. Basically crime is so rampant that every trial has to be 3 days max and you're guilty until proven innocent

>>714189125
Yes, it's happened before.

>>714189125
yes
its a great reason for you to not do that as a lawyer

>>714189125
A mistrial doesn't necessarily mean that everyone just throws up their arms and goes home. The prosecution can request another trial, although in the situation we're describing they may be denied if they were the ones who caused the mistrial via gross misconduct.

>>714189215
the judge is an idiot, if he wasn't he'd notice that the person in the photos was long dead and looked nothing like maya

Ace Attorney logic is especially funny because there's a case or two where you prove that your client couldn't have POSSIBLY done it but you gotta continue anyway because fuck you. 2-1 even confirms that a trial COULD end with no person being found guilty despite a guilty party having to exist, but this literally never actually happens because, again, fuck you. Well 5-4 kinda ended like that I think.

>>714187267 (OP)
He asked the judge politely.

>>714189125
a mistrial doesnt mean you're innocent, it just means the trial needs to be restarted. But sometimes people say fuck it we're not doing this again

>>714188372
the bird thing was based of a real case of fraud
the pet bird would remember traumatic events more likely and repeat sentence’s or actions that took place

>>714187734
Sauce?

>>714189293
The part about the gigantic crimewave was just in AA1. Later games don't acknowledge it at all, it's simply how the law works in that world. Even in different countries (Khura'in) and eras (TGAA) that's how it goes.

>>714191534
Khura'in could be excused as only having prosecutors anyway

>>714191534
In games after AA1 cases end in a couple days for pacing reasons, three-day cases are looked down upon by players for excessive length

>>714187734
he should have. that would have prevented the dogshit "apollo justice" trilogy

>>714187267 (OP)
it wouldnt be as kino and dramatic. best case oat

>>714192839
If anything, that would be a better catalyst for Naruhobo.

>>714187267 (OP)
Godot is so fucking cool
how do I become like him, /v/ros?

>>714193228
just get poisoned, go into a coma, and lose your eyes

>>714189293
Also every 3rd person in town is a fucking murderer. I would not like to live in japanifornia. The odds of being shanked, poisoned, beaten with a blunt object, or assassinated are through the roof.
It's honestly a miracle that Phoenix of all people didn't get murdered down the line in his career.
Even though he was targeted himself for one as well in his past

>>714193228
Become a prosecutor and claim you have never lost a trial on your first day

>>714193228
Practice crushing mugs with one hand

>>714193228
Pay a guy to play saxophone whenever you say something cool and quotable about coffee

>>714189125
murders going free on technicalities is usually the police fucking up evidence or due process, not the lawyers during a trial

>>714193532
That really does sum up his character. He projects an air of absolute confidence, but it's by being a bullshitter. He's not unshakable when things go catastrophically wrong, he just don't show it. It's the style of defense he passes down to Mia who passes it down to Phoenix

The most unbelievable part is that no one raped Trucy with her flashing her panties all the time

>>714187267 (OP)
>Anime white hair
>Random Visor that looks like it shoots lasers
>Hispanic with smooth chill guy attitude
>Green suit + white tie of all things
>Quirky gimmick of drinking coffee
I feel like he could have easily been perceived as a cringe deviant art OC but his design is kino. How did they actually do it?
>Captcha: GXDOT

>>714189125
Yes actually.

>>714196972
>drinking coffee
>quirky
Do you think smoking cigarettes is quirky too

>>714189572
All Fran had to do was point at Pearl across the court.

>>714190185
>a mistrial doesnt mean you're innocent
INNOCENT
UNTIL
PROVEN
GUILTY

>>714187939
Nothing anyone does in any case is legal. Both parties would be disbarred from any case in the series

>>714197221
maybe not the one where he gets hit with a fire extinguisher

>>714197051
If random packs keep magically sliding over to my desk and I throw them at my rivals I don't see why not

>>714197507
That's fair, but for AA standards he's pretty tame
>man throws his own hair on Phoenix's face in First Turnabout
>Manfred tases Phoenix in the police department and gets away with it, then later slams his head against the wall in Turnabout Goodbyes
>Franziska whips Phoenix to unconsciousness in second game

I want a serious appeal court spin-off where all of the wacky stuff gets presented as evidence now

>>714196972
It’s a relatively simple design all things considered. He’s basically a Latinx in a suit with a cyclops visor

>>714192839
the series has ghost summoning anyway. phoenix becoming a ghost would had been perfect passing of a torch.

>Live in AA world
>Wake up to the beautiful scent of the cherry blossoms in Los Angeles
>Meet up with my good friend Jeff Goodman
>Head to the movies to catch the newest Steel Samurai movie adaptation
>Ticket man greets us, nametag says Mark D. De Ath
>Movie is about to start, we're both excited
>Power goes out
>There's a scream, sounds like some people are trying to leave
>Lights turn back on, Jeff is dead next to me
>Police rush to the scene, some big guy in a dirty coat arrests me
>4th time this month

Mia is a much better protagonist than Phoenix. Killing her early was the biggest mistake of the series after Apollo Justice

Are we ever getting another AA game or some other Shu Takumi game?

You HAVE played the new Ace Attorney, right?
https://newerteam.com/hol/

>>714189293
It's not just Guilty under proven innocent, it's guilty until you prove someone else to be guilty, you could literally prove that a person didn't commit a crime, but they'll still be punished until you find the actual culprit.

>>714199914

>>714198723
played it on release since i know some of the people that worked on it

>>714187508
Los Angeles*

>>714198723
>posting AI slop

>>714187939
As someone who graduated law school last year, I don't know why so many anons are acting like this is ridiculous. Usually evidence gets presented to the judge before the trial and that's when he determines what's admissible and what's not. That's like, his job. And yes, they can definitely get influenced by evidence that's not legal even if they won't admit it in the final verdict. People just don't say these things out loud though

>>714198168
The idea that Phoenix needs to pass the torch after three years of working as a lawyer is so retarded.

>>714202639
Imagine how much better it would have been for Apollo to have his own cast unrelated to Phoenix in 4 & 5 who shows up in 6 initially for the Civil Case before the reveal that he's being blackmailed again.

Why is everything after the original trilogy so soulless.

>>714203329
the move to 3d completely killed it

I became a lawyer just because of Ace Attorney and let me tell you all no other game portrays the experience of being a lawyer better than this one.

It is the most inaccurate game ever when it comes to procedure. But the most accurate ever when it comes to the feeling of despair, of having everything stacked against you and still needing to press on.

>>714201632
Other bars/legal systems exist
>>714204459
Criminal? Or just the feeling of being a junior associate

>>714193228
Be a faggot who takes dicks up his ass in prison, and die by execution.

comfy series

>>714205138
I miss the traditional 4th of July burger soup...

>>714198427
she was overcompetent. would have completely overshadowed her rookie understudy. plus she was getting too old

the dark age of the law

reminder that phoenix knows who apollo's mom is and that he's tracy's brother or cousin but never told him about either

>>714197726
Von Zieks straight up casually drinks in court and throws bottles of wine at people

Mia was a racemixer. She deserved to die.

How come they made Dual Destinies the ugliest game ever but just 2 years later they release The Great Ace Attorney and it looks stunning

>>714206253
he caught them fucking and figured it's best to leave well enough alone

>>714206747
DD was their first 3D game
VS looked good because it wasn't Level-5's first 3D game
So the rest of the 3D games look much better

>>714205553
>plus she was getting too old
>the only other time a girl over 18 was introduced as a main cast member was AAI2

>>714204937
I deal mostly with taxes but also with criminal matters yes (usually related to said taxes)

>>714187267 (OP)
zoomers wouldn't get it

>>714207040
Do you have the image of him bursting from the wedding cake to tell them the news?

>>714206521
It was a different time, pray forgive any discourtesy a more modern audience might find in his actions.

>>714189293
>and you're guilty until proven innocent
Not as bad as real life where you're guilty even IF you're proven innocent

>>714187267 (OP)
This dude's ending was so kino I still remember it so many years later
>the only time a man can cry is when it's all over

>>714198529
>Shu Takumi
Maybe, not out of the question he could be starting a new project after the GT rerelease
>New AA Game
AA7 got omegafucked by covid, I almost don't want to see it come out because it clearly suffered through dev hell. The fact that they remade the literal entire rest of the series including long shots like DGS and AAI2 is proof enough that a new AA game is not in the cards at the moment.
If we somehow get PLvsAA remade next, then just assume AA is dead as a franchise

>>714203329
New cast was nowhere near as good as the old and the writing drops the ball a lot
Tell me with a straight face that Capcom knew what they were doing with this character

>>714211060
I'm sure his aristocratic background and astronaut BFF are foreshadowed somewhere in the depths of 4-3, we've just been all too eager to escape that case that we've never found the clues.

>>714202639
>spends more years as a hobo than as his job
Dude was just ahead of his time, Luke Skywalker spends more time as a hobo than as a Jedi.

>>714211019
I'd say considering DGS and AAI2 got brought over is proof that the series is due for a new game, but it won't be AA7 in its original form, whatever that is.

>>714211060
Poor Apollo suffers from being overshadowed by Phoenix from the first 5 minutes and never really escapes his shadow, hell every new character feels like they are just copy/pasting tropes from the older games but without any sauce, even counting the first game.
Ema is the biggest example here, her game 1 counterpart, Gumshoe has a fully fleshed out character arc just in the first game alone, Ema doesn't. So yeah, you have a new cast that are shallow imitations of the old cast but without any of the growth or vulnerability.
These still aren't bad games but fuck me, these are not as good as the original trilogy as a whole.

>>714211060
I think Takumi had an idea for him in AA4. Originally he wanted it to be a fresh start, and Phoenix wasn't even in the game, although a different, new character with the same role was. Capcom insisted Phoenix was in the game and Takumi changed the character into Phoenix. Then people got mad both because of what happened to Phoenix and also because he wasn't the MC anymore. After that Takumi went to work on different stuff and the person they got to take over as writer and director tried to course correct as hard as possible. and made Phoenix the MC again while Apollo became the designated backstory guy for two games in a row. I still think 4 is a cut above 5 and 6 in terms of character writing and the overall setup, and Apollo's story was clearly just getting started at the end. There's no way to say at this point how Apollo as a character would have ended up if Takumi had continued to write the main series, but I think it's safe to say it would've been a lot more consistent and very different than what we got.

Why did she keep calling her a hag even though she was only 4 years older than her? I always found it very strange.

>>714212647
Women play dirty and take any advantage they think they can get

>>714211861
If you want my take, I rather would've had a good stand alone, than sequel baiting, more so when it's unclear that you are going to be involved with making the next thing, what happened with 4 is basically "What if DGS2 didn't exist to support DGS1", while DGS1 would still be...alright? it would feel a lot more incomplete, and that's what AA4 feels like.
Lord knows we will never know WHY we couldn't just tell Apollo he's a magic baby and that Trucy is related to him, i believe that will remain one of the biggest question marks in the series history.
Overcorrecting did happen but if you were asking my dumbass in 2013, which DD came out, I would not have wanted another Apollo game, so it's hard to say if putting Phoenix back in fully this was the right decision or not for the series future.
It's been so long since 2008 that I think a lot of people either forgot or just weren't there for how divisive 4 was back then.

>>714212647
Dahlia was a (soon) hag who didn't want to face her hagdom (being >=20), so she took it out on the certified hag Mia

Is Naruhodo a virgin?

>>714212779
Nah I definitely agree. At the time I also thought DD was exactly what I wanted, even though I consider it an overcorrection nowadays. What's done is done, though, and now I just want a fresh start for the series akin to DGS, and it would probably be a good idea to make it self contained like you said. I also want Takumi to be the one to do it, though. DD and SoJ are okay I guess, with a few standout cases, but overall they can't match the level of charm Takumi is able to infuse his characters with. Even the silly characters become endearing instead of annoying (except Soseki in DGS who I found kinda obnoxious).

>>714213052
Reminder that he got to fuck this for his entire trip back to Japan

>>714189293
The AA world is the prequel to Judge Dredd

>>714193228
Why would you ever want to be Godot? He's a loser

>>714213445
Clearly Pearl needs to trap Phoenix and Maya on a long cruise somewhere.

>>714213580
she grew out of that

>>714190461
>case of fraud
Huh I thought it was a murder case where a woman shot her husband and his parrot repeated his last words out of trauma

>>714190461
At least with Polly, the judge actually gave reasons.
Having multiple coincidences IS a pattern and it flies in the face of the witness supposedly being so far gone that he can't even remember who he is. So he dragged the witness back to the stand and told him to stop fucking around. In nicer words of course.

>>714213332
Yeah I don't consider DD or SoJ bad but I'd be hard pressed to consider them as good as Investigations or DGS/GAA.
a fresh start is what is needed for the series, a real one, or just give us an Athena game without Phoenix or Apollo, that's basically the same thing anyways, after playing around with some indies I've realized a new cast of goobers is what is needed, ideally ones that aren't carbon copies, GAA has shown this is possible.

>>714213580
That'll just get Maya implicated for the inevitable murder

>>714211060
>backstory isn't developed at all in 4 other than the reveal that he's Trucy's brother
>suddenly he had a friend so important to him that he went all sad and edgy when he died in 5
>then it turns out he was raised in Nepal after his dad died in 6
Yeah it's pretty funny

I need to be trapped with pearl on a long cruise with little prying eyes

>>714214123
it would've really helped if his backstory was more involved in the greater plot of 4, that way they would've been forced to stick with it rather than add on new silly ideas just to give him a reason to exist in the narrative, as far as the original 4 is concerned, his magic story is only there to justify the game's latest gimmick.
It'd be like case 2 of JfA had nothing to do with the Feys but you got the Magatama anyways from Maya.
The crazy thing is AJ is about the entire magic circus family, but since Apollo doesn't know he's connected, it doesn't involve him on anywhere near the same level as something like "Phoenix is childhood friends with Edgeworth"

This was legitimately an amazing game, I don't care what anyone says

>>714214868
Layton twist soured it for me.

>>714214868
I like both franchises so I liked it. A lot of AA fans don't like Layton.

>>714214868
the plot was still kind of fucking stupid

>>714214123
I always found it funny that A4, Apollo never knew who Ema was, or her relation with Phoenix
Yet in A5, we learn that Rise from the Ashes is his favorite case, and the one that inspired him to be a lawyer

>>714206521
AND he slams his foot on his desk

>>714193228
Why would you want to be him? He's a shitty ass prosecutor.

>>714215320
Ema must have done a hard memory wipe on him after testing THAT.

>>714187267 (OP)
I wonder how many people did save+restart and not get the answer in the first try. Because the indication that you got it right isn't revealed till after Godot's rant "you'll never be her".
God, this was just the best trilogy marathon of my life. Especially when pirating the JP release which had the EN localization a month before US release. (I did buy them all, I was like the only one that got AA4/AAI when it delivered to the GameStop. Back when "release day" to them meant "shipping day" lol)

>>714215320
apollo mentioning the tailpipe thing was in 4 I'm pretty sure

>>714216015
yeah it was, granted Apollo not being able to read is also a thing in 4-2 in general since he fails to notice that the WAA is infact, the WAA until Trucy tells him to double check the name plate. it's a good joke tho.