.

3d sonic peaked here

Adventure 1, 2 and even 06 was the perfect pace for Sonic in 3D. Boostshit is poor platforming and basically just a giant QTE sequence. Also going max speed at the push of a button does not feel rewarding like properly knowing the level and generating that speed.

mmmm

>>714192070
06 was slow as fuck. Levels were OK though.

>>714191630 (OP)
I bet this image will look surreal when the skies are permanently gray and all the oceans are brown

>>714192213
my favorite water in games is crash 3 and ctr

>>714191630 (OP)
Jump on panel number one. It will take you to panels two and three. Jump as soon as you land on a panel or else you'll fall.

>>714192362
Fuck you dude
I was sure it was in the other windy sky stage but I heard it in the voice 100%

>>714192070
Thoughts on Seaside Hill?

>>714191906
grim

>>714192362
Fuck your panels i'm gonna spin dash up the hill

Where did the Sega blue water blue sky soul go?

>>714192070
>even 06
stopped reading here

>>714193365
Died in the 2000s along with soul in general.

>>714191630 (OP)
They need to bring back beach levels.

>>714191630 (OP)
>SADX

>>714193365
Man that is just so pleasant to look at.

>>714192070
Midwit comment.

>>714193720
Beach and water levels are a lost art.

>>714191630 (OP)

>>714192213
do you think he's still out there finding all the best video game water?

>>714193419
PTSD or autism? 06 is a bad game for many reasons but pacing is not one of them lol

>>714191630 (OP)
I miss when games were colorful like this. Everything is brown and gray and gay now.

>>714194705
So true king... color just stopped existing in le 2v25... games don't have any color anymore. Life doesn't either. So true.

>>714194971
you sound insincere...

>>714194705
>Everything is brown and gray
No, you're thinking of games in the mid to late 00's.

>>714195123
What's this? I didn't know someone so retarded could be capable of picking up sarcasm! Oh, stop the presses! A disabled faggot just grew another braincell!

>>714193365
we have to go back

>>714193979
ODEs are soulless

>>714192070
I could agree with SA1 and 2 to some extent, but '06's Sonic moves like a tank. Not on ice like Unleashed's Sonic when not boosting, but a tank nonetheless. The level design in '06 also isn't that great. It's a step up from boostshit to be sure, but only just.

>>714193896
No, he's right. Too much speed ruins the balance. That's why people often shat on Advance 2, even before boostshit was a thing. Too much speed just feels mindless and repetitive. You need actual substance to the spectacle. Sonic Team is incapable of finding that balance anymore.

>>714194208
I'm sorry but you're wrong. Sonic is slow and clunky as mentioned above. You're practically stopping every 10 seconds to interact with some dumb gimmick or action set piece which wrenches control away from you for like 20 seconds, or doing a LOT of homing attacking health bars with enemies attached to them. (The cheese with the bounce attack doesn't count because there's no way that was intended behavior. It shreds even the toughest enemies with zero consequence.) Very little actual platforming gets done in '06. But at least Sonic has the honor of just being "okay." Meanwhile, Shadow's campaign alone is some of the most boring Sonic gameplay ever written to disc. His vehicles are not fun or engaging to play with. He's like half the speed of Sonic. His """"combat"""" is mindless, tedious button mashing which further slows down the pacing. And that's not even counting Silver's agonizingly slow, janky gameplay. OR the amigo characters who don't always necessarily slow things down a ton, but do heavily disrupt the flow of the gameplay for entirely pointless sections that often add nothing of value or entertainment aside from maybe "Look, you can play as [you're favorite character]!" Like I agree with most of what you said before, but what the fuck are you on about man? The pacing was absolute trash just like the rest of the game. People 100% complain about this aspect of the game all the time.

>>714191906
It peaked here, actually.

>>714192491
Not bad, but my favorite was Rail Canyon

>>714193793
Most people played the DX version, either on gamecube back in the day as their first exposure to sonic, or on steam since thats the only version

>>714196319
Unironically SA2 ruined the franchise's gameplay.

>>714191630 (OP)
>>714192491
Is it me or do they always put the biggest effort in the first level and then have the rest of them be subpar?

>>714197187
It's tradition.

>>714195593
Do you think acting like a dickhead makes you seem more intelligent or something?

>>714197070
explain yourself

>>714197070
no it didn't

>>714193793
>>714193979
>>714194086
>>714196459
>mfw first played Sonic Adventure on Dreamcast.
>It was a scuffed copy with an instant death jump bug.
>Dad went out and bought a new disc for me to play with.
I love my Dreamcast.

>>714198413
Do you think your low intelligence makes you come across as endearing or worth engaging?

>>714194027
his mii looked like a senior citizen. he's probably splashing around in the great lake in the sky :(

>>714199581
>doubled down on the retarded variety gameplay
>the actual good part of the game has little to nothing to do with momentum and is instead railroaded by forced speed segments, spectacle jerking, and no actual gameplay cohesiveness
>boss fights are all dogshit (ironically this is the one part of the franchise gets BETTER at... somehow)
>introduces shadow who should've stayed dead only to come back and haunt the franchise
>>714199760
Lol. Cope, manchild.

>>714192237
I am deciding to become an environmentalist

Do me a favor /v/, go back and watch the opening movie for SA.

>Modern Sonic is 26 years old

>>714201052
SCUBA STEVE, DAMN YOU

>>714201389
>m*dern sonic
just call him sonic. it's the first thing you think of when you people say sonic.

I'm mad that they 404'd the Tails thread

>>714202127
Shut up, faggot pedo.

>>714202396
I don't want to fuck him, he's just my favorite character

>>714202480
No one believes you.

>>714200330
>ruined the franchise
>with gimmicks that were in SA 1, and revisited later on, making them not mutually exclusive exclusive to 2
Huh? Also SA1 has more gimmicks in it, that you could argue, inherently and initially ruined 3D Sonic.

>>714202679
If you don't believe me, well that breaks my heart. You don't need to believe me, but you WILL respect me.

>>714202698
SA1 was the start, yes. 2 put the nail in the coffin that still plagues the franchise to this day, because retards foam at the mouth of the spectacle emphasis and somehow pretend that makes it good. Don't get me wrong, they DO look cool, but objectively they are not good. Then again, a franchise made by idiots, can only be truly indulged by idiots... looking back, there hasn't been a single mainline Sonic game I fully enjoyed in over 20 years. Can't count Riders cuz it's a spinoff. Can't count ShadGens because it's not a full game. Gens was a budget title. Mania was made by fans.
This sucks.

>>714191630 (OP)
Sonic Robo Blast 2 with the Classic Genesis Physics and Classic Spin Dash mod is unironically a better playing game than Sonic Adventure. If Sonic Robo Blast 2 was made by professionals and had better polish, music, more level variety, more enemy variety, it would easily be the objectively best Sonic game ever.

>>714202698
>Also SA1 has more gimmicks in it, that you could argue, inherently and initially ruined 3D Sonic
Name em

>>714202789
...Why would I respect someone obsessed with a fictional 8 year old kid?

>>714203129
Nail in the coffin doesn’t fit an entry in the middle of many that both started and continued to do the thing you’re bitching about. Nail in the coffin would be 06-Unleashed that both have mandatory gameplay deviations, because that’s the end of it until we go perma boost/classic gameplay dichotomies.
Sonic is a budgeted series.

>>714203238
Fishing, mech (gamma), Amy’s slow methodical gameplay, boarding, twinkle park bumper cars, Sky Chase (4 times), treasure hunting, and whatever the fuck super Sonic is as a gameplay segment rather than what spectacle is laid out.

>>714203260
Because I factually get more pussy than you

>>714203625
Your Tails pocket pussy doesn't count, pedo. Go take your meds.

>>714203358
>06-Unleashed that both have mandatory gameplay deviations
>implying SA2 didn't have that with treasure hunting and mech shooting

>>714203824
Good one but seriously you need to respect me

>>714203260

>>714204828
No. Piss off. There's a reason your shitty thread got deleted.

>>714200330
SA2 literally did everything SA1 did but better

>>714205719
Respect me or else

>>714206276
Only Sonic and Shadow were good.

>>714206295
respect this tailsfag

>>714196319
I miss metallic coats they were at least trying to do their own thing with super forms

>You fools must all have a death wish? Witness this invincible battleship built by the hands of a genius! It's power unmatched throughout the universe!
Don't mind me, just posting best 3D stage

>>714206402
That's chao abuse...

>>714206276
Every single Sonic level in SA1 is unironically better than all the speed stages in SA2.

>>714206817
well that's just like, your opinion, man

>>714206762
that's not chao abuse, this is
https://www.youtube.com/@ChaoAbuser/videos

>>714207005
why do i feel genuine anger looking at this

>>714207005
I really don't like this. :(

>>714206943
It's the truth doe
>>714207076
Shut up manchild

Sonic peaked here

>>714207076
>>714207176
:)

>>714207414
STOP

>>714191630 (OP)
I liked how Adventure did the two acts thing and made it feel pretty seamless like 3&K did.

>>714207840

>>714207005
wow i did not know you can poison them and drown them and they just die

>>714207005
>>714207414
Stop abusing Chaos

>>714208561

>>714208561
>Chaos

>>714208459

>>714208575
>>714208116
>>714207414
>>714207005
Epic work my friend, keep killing those blue faggots

>>714209071
>shoves his quad penis in its hole

ENOUGH

>>714207005
>https://www.deviantart.com/cha0abuser/gallery/all

>>714209091
>>714209245

>>714209245
Noo! leave them alone!

>>714207414
Don't worry guys he deserved it

>>714209245
Ok this one's actually pretty funny

>>714208459
>>714209482

>>714209691
tails why you son of a bitch? why?

>>714209482

>Dead chao storage

>>714209817

>>714192070
Based. Those who disagree probably also liked shit like frontiers.

>>714191630 (OP)
It's surreal how much I loved this games as a kid and had no problem with them, but I watch adults playing them nowadays and they just keep running into walls and off ledges and then go, "WOW THIS GAME PLAYS SO BADLY!" I guess 13-year old me was just...lucky?

>>714194705
It's true but also sometimes games are depicting places like the woods or prairies or mountains or mundane cities, and people complain about those places being green, brown and gray, but what other color are they supposed to be? This shot is blue, but that's because you're up in the air and can see the sky, and it's a beach so there's water everywhere, of course it's blue. I live in an area that's mostly woods and fields, and yeah, it's all brown and green. I don't know what it's supposed to be, purple?

>>714197187
For Sonic Heroes, all of the levels have the same gimmick thanks to Heroes shitty character-switching gimmick. The first level in Adventure 1 wasn't even that great compared to the other level.

>>714203515
Amy had the best gameplay

>>714209952
Did you notice a sign out in front of my savefile that said "Dead Chao Storage"?
No? You didn't?
You know WHY you didn't see that sign?
Cause it ain't there, cause storing dead chao ain't my fucking business, that's why! Killing them is!

>>714209962
no knux stop!

>>714191630 (OP)

>>714192362
Love her, she should be in Crossworlds

>>714210525
Translation: we think we'd fuck it up and would lose money on it, so we'd rather try something else that requires less effort.
even though EVERY FUCKING GAME SINCE 06 has had development hell that fucks up the final product majorly, this team is FUCKING RETARDED

>>714209214
>>714210524

>>714210525
I mean yeah, remaking the games would be a crazy amount of effort. I do think just getting the autist who did like 95% of all the PC related SA1/2 stuff to make updated ports and ship them on consoles would be easy money.
But full blown remakes are overkills for games that don't need them.

>>714194705
>I miss when games were colorful like this. Everything is brown and gray and gay now.

Mario Kart has become drab and soulless

>>714197070
No that was SA1. SA1 has terrible gameplay and all 3D Sonic, including Boostshit, is based upon its rotten foundations.

>>714208116
Lmao I’ve never seen unmeched Eggman get hurt before

>>714194705
The pursuit of "realism" to appeal to normalfags is a blight on gaming.

>>714211409

>>714211129
Haha, so true king. By the way, what game is this screenshot from?

>>714211234
Every time I come here I get surprised how stupid someone can really be.

>>714211724
The best way to demonstrate the failure of 3D Sonic is to compare it's creation to that of 3D Mario. The developers of Super Mario 64 describe how their first and most important task was making Mario fun to control. The idea was that even if he were in a featureless white plain Mario would still be fun to control and they perfected that before anything else. And it worked. Even today it's fun to just mess around jumping and diving like an idiot in Peach's Castle without even playing the levels. Sonic on the other hand is shit to control and they never bothered to fix it. From Adventure to today 3D Sonic has to take control away from the player with boosts and quick-time events etc. all the time because the terrible controls are incapable of playing the game. This is best exemplified by the Homing Attack, the centerpiece of 3D Sonics gameplay and its disgrace. The Homing Attack was literally created because controlling Sonic was so terrible that the only way they could make the game "playable" was to create a "Play the game for me" attack. The Developers have admitted this themselves on the record. If your game plays so badly you need that to make it work, you need to go back and start from scratch. But they didn't, and no 3D Sonic since then has. they are all built of Adventures skeleton and they will remain bad until they stop.

>>714210525
Based. Fuck demakes they should be illegal. Rare Iizuka W.

>>714211628
I don’t know but I agree with that other anon with games being more colorful back then compared to now. Imagine how much color they could suck out of a Sonic Adventure remake

>>714206295

>>714193365
>Sitting by the riverside
>Legs submersed in water
>Feeling the current against your legs
Fuck, bros. I wish water was real.

what are some game with nice water?

>>714212463
Why is it all so foggy and desaturated? This would never have happened if the Dreamcast won.

>>714192471
My favorite bit about Windy Valley is that old pirated copies of DX replaced half of the goddamn OST with that stage's track, including Station Square.

>>714213153
raptatas big fishing

>here's your Unreal Engine tech demo, bro

>>714203206
damn so if only it wasn't shit...then it would be the best game ever

>>714191906
>>714196319
Actually, it peaked here.

>>714215221
Yeah, peaked into a valley LMAO

>>714215734
Absolutely based take, Anon.

>>714215221
Not with that lame ass scream. Should've kept Jason. https://youtu.be/IlyptNxXpMI

>>714193365
pure sovl

>>714208116
what mods are these?

>>714199932
We accept your concession.

>>714217140
https://gamebanana.com/mods/534389

>>714216483
Should've taken the Junichipill.
https://youtu.be/dUeXQ6qxC2k?si=ZPsSFPu-KENduhRL

>>714216104
You're a bit stupid, aren't you?

>>714218137
Stupid enough to think Frontiers outperformed every 3D Sonic game, or stupid enough to engage with your bait?

>>714210525
>>714212062
Indeed. An Adventure remake could never capture the SOVL of the original.

>>714217261
shit, I never would have thought to look at gamebanana for sonic of all games.

>>714218387
all the major chao world mods are hosted on there, including the one that lets you drown chao

>>714218321
>sales=quality
Yeah, you're retarded. I'm done with you.

>>714194208
Are you a zoomer or something? The gameplay in 06 was complete dogshit. It was more on-rails than any boostshit could ever hope to be and everything felt stiff and clunky. It was bad.

>>714218870
>Running away
Care to explain how Sonic Adventure 2 is better than Frontiers, or are your nostalgia goggles blinding you?

What. THE FUCK.

>>714218870
so sonic boom was the best sonic game?

>>714219758
>me when I'm disingenuous
lol

>>714220037
thats the literal implication of your meme arrow, you retard, make an actual statement and stand on a opinion without irony or fuck off.

>>714219102
not him, but fucking hell, it's obvious: every aspect of SA2 was better, even the alternate character's stages were more fun than frontier's boost slop. even the bossfights were better, sonic team really needs to swallow their pride and go back to what was fun.

>>714191630 (OP)
A Mario Kart track was in Sonic?

>>714218870
lmao imagine pretending Frontiers had any real soul just because it sold well during a dry spell. All flash, no heart. The open-zone felt like a Sonic Gmod map with fishing sprinkled on top. Meanwhile Adventure 1 and 2 had cohesive themes, iconic music, memorable level design, and actual character arcs. Numbers ain't shit when you’re eating mediocrity and calling it a feast.

>>714207005
what the actual fuck

>>714220679
More disturbing than when I found the monkey abuse rabbit hole on youtube

>>714191630 (OP)
Adventure 1 > Adventure 2

>>714207005
>>714220679
>that mixing
>no music
>sound effects are all treble/bass boosted
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYTByQVaHlo

>>714195727
I know anon, I keep saying this but somehow we're still here.

>>714196319
The fan base split here. Either you were old enough to have played the Genesis games, this shit was too dumb for you and you moved on to other series, OR you were young enough not to realize how shit it was, and find this ultra cringe storytelling appealing.

Anyone else have the pirated version where every song in every part of the game was just this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvKQLPHWuwU

should i make a game dedicated to the summer water aesthetic? would it make me billions of cash?

>jannies trashed the eggGAWDs thread

>>714220514
you can swap the same points for frontiers, its really opinionated

>>714223297
Probably not, but making a game with an area/level that has that could be cool if you know what you're doing.

>>714220395
If you didn't have breakfast this morning, how would it make you feel?
>>714220562
I genuinely cannot comprehend anyone who calls Frontiers unironically good as a whole. It should've been one of the best Sonic games in years, except it's an utter embarassment suffered by internal power struggles and a lack of directive. God, what could've been...

>>714191630 (OP)
>DX
Come on, now.

>>714227105
DX is the only easily available version these days.

>>714227105
PC SADX is the superior version because you can just mod it to use the old dreamcast lighting and models

>>714227341
>>714227132
Give me 10 reasons to not just emulate the DC version.

>>714227514
chao garden in SADX > DC chao garden

some game you got there

>>714227095
Lethargic. If you weren't dropped on your head as a baby, how would you back up your statements?

>>714227514
Because with the PC version (modded) you get the best of both worlds. 60 fps and new features from DX, but with the dreamcast textures and effects. Not to mention modern stuff like proper high scale resolutions.

>>714191630 (OP)
bump

>>714200635
Too late, you already unironically have microplastics in your brain.

>>714206587
Love the music

>>714206587
either this or hang castle should have been the stage used in generations