>Sorry we have no money for casual content
>Also can you pls buy the $42 modernslop glam
>What, don't you guys have wallets?
Watch out everyone, the Yoshida defense force will find this thread making very light criticism of Yoshida-san and dedicate the entirety of the thread to shitting it up and making it unuseable because they have no actual counter-arguments against said criticisms.
>>714205015 (OP)go ride a wheelchair, wowtroon
>>714205015 (OP)If you wanted to honestly criticize the new glam, you would not be lying that its one set that costs 42$
But we all know you aren't being honest
>>714205251THERE HE IS, IT'S YOSHIDA'S #1 FAN
>charge $50 for an expansion
>the only content is a terrible MSQ
>the cadence of patch releases puts us over a year after release still in x.2.y
these fucking thieves will never get my money again
>>714205307>go ride a wheelchair, wowtroon
>>714205015 (OP)>>714205110>just over 1 min between posts
>>714205702whoops wrong pic
>>714205737I'm actually surprised "general thread" isn't a report reason for how hard the mods shit their pants about non-approved generals.
>>714205830This general is shitting on XIV so it's wholesome chungus approved.
>>714205780>But what about WOWThis is a FFXIV thread, little buddy. Talk about FFXIV.
wow won bigly
it's sad, but it's true
What did you guys do in Final Fantasy today? Roulettes? Occult Crescent?
>>714205110CBU3 self-owned, there's no way they can defend this in good faith so they resort to screeching about made-up boogeymen while samefagging
>>714206446I haven't done jack shit in any game. Shit's too hot today.
>>714206546Turn on the air conditioning and come play Final Fantasy XIV!
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Why did he do it?
>devs need more money
>do thing that exists solely to make money
WTFFFFFF IT'S SO OVER
Realistically, what's the problem with DRK? The complaints I've seen have boiled down to two or so categories:
>I want Dark Arts back
>The class doesn't have enough MP
For reference, Dark Arts was similar to Eukrasia (oGCD that buffed skills at the cost of MP).
Regarding MP, the class currently has exactly enough MP regen to sustain your damage buff and store (almost) the theoretically highest possible amount of resources for the burst window. In my opinion, this is already easily the hardest tank burst to optimize in the game, even harder than GNB, because you need to have 100% uptime for over two whole minutes to accomplish it. Any downtime, missed TBNs, or drift threatens your burst window much more than other tanks. Confusingly, the two major complaints seem to contradict each other. People want more oGCDs to manage, more things to spend mana on, but then they also want more mana because they don't want such a strict resource management schedule. Thoughts?
>>714206746i'm yurop we don't have ac by default
>>714206834He loves furry pussy
I'm sure the deep dungeon will be neat, but I can't shake the feeling that all the rewards will be fairyslop and I couldn't be less interested in that.
>>714206879It doesn't feel like it has enough going on for my tastes. They copied Fell Cleave spam from WAR and tacked it on, then took other cool stuff away. For me the peak of DRK was Blood Price + Delirium + Abyssal Drain spam. The Blood Weapon/Blood Price stance dancing was really kino.
However, the main complaint I see about DRK right now is that TBN can "fail" if it doesn't pop because then they lose the free Edge. Which is simply parsetranny faggotry that's going to kill the one cool thing DRK has going for it because muh parse. I would strangle these faggots if I could.
>>714206976The Dohn Mheg gear was all kino Voeburt fashion tho.
Daily reminder that this new cash shop outfit costs more than the expansion itself
>>714205702We saw how he ended up in a wheelchair in the story and its superposed to make us feel sorry for him.
As in he is an actual cripple now.
The well-chair is supposed to be a negative sad thing in that game. Not a tokenism insert to cheek diversity marks.
The wheelchair in wow might as well not even be a disability.
>>714207210true. maybe there is some hope. if it's all fairy wings and flowers i'm going to sleep
>>714207228It’s more valuable than this dogshit expansion so that checks out
>>714205780>not posting the dragon
>>714206746>lalas with a waistmodbeast
>>714207485That's just customize scaling.
>>714207228>$24 is now $42It's 2 different sets at $18 and $6 for the hat and gloves, but continue being retarded.
>>714207580How different are the sets? Except for the top, which is fairly similar except open back afaik.
>>714207239Why does he need a wheelchair in a world with literal mechs? Why can't they give him a powersuit to walk again or somthing?
>>714207778Prosthetics were a tightly kept secret by the Garlean government because the commissioning of the installation and repair of prosthetics to neutral nations like Thavnair or Hingashi was an export for them. Magitek is also bulky, unwieldy, expensive, and uses an expensive fuel that can explode if you jostle it too roughly. It's not a practical solution and you'd basically be burdening the poor guy even harder by cutting his legs off and attaching giant metal shoes that he has to fill up at the gas station every week.
>>714207778why doesn't everyone have state of the art bionic legs when they lose them
>>714207778They really should make this into a mount unironically.
>>71420758018 + 18 + 6 = 42
When you drop out of school again in your next life, don't forget to at least pick up your GED
>>714207907after i get my final days flying worm mount
>>714207738Its all different
Open back vs non
Slops vs shorts
Shoes vs boots
You can argue its not different enough, but its meant for a male and female set, so its not really expected you would buy both unless you crossdress or want to mix and match
>>714208064The open back chest is fairly similar. Just wondering if all pieces are that way, or if the pants and boots between the two sets are actually notably different.
>>714205015 (OP)>>714205110>1 minute between posts>samefagging his daily tantrum thread yet again, with the same exact postssome people are truly mentally deranged on this site. have fun talking to yourself OP
>>714208408Two completely different sets right here.
>>714205110>B-BUT LE BARRYTROONDISCORDJEWSBADABINGBADABANGEORGESOROSBLACKROCKSATANIATJEWISHMUSLIMMOSSADGLOWINGNIGGERFAGGOT
>>714208408the boots are different, but the rest seems similar enough
>>714207228I'm sure it's a different team releasing this but the timing couldn't be worse after the tragedy of the live letter and yoship admitting they lack funding.
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damn
we used to live like this??
>>714208408what the fuck you want a back window in a shirt like this?
Let's kill this game this wuk is sick
I want to yoshitpiss my dick
Let's kill this game this wuk is sick
I want to yoshitpiss my dick
>>714209032How does the stock price make my video game better?
>>714209119>my video game
>>714209032the game might be in total freefall but at least the shareholders are making money! huge W for XIV!
>>714209247Yes, the one that I paid for.
>>714209307>buying SE games
>>714209365Yes, I boughteded the Final Fantasy.
>>714209461>I boughteded the Final Fantasy.[GOOD NEWS]
https://store.finalfantasyxiv.com/ffxivstore/en-us/new
>>714209461All 50 of them?
Yep. We don’t care about the ever-slowing patch cycle, the terrible glamour system, the awful story, the boring and homogenized job design, the broken netcode, or the community being overrun by second life ERP modbeasts. What REALLY matters is maximizing shareholder value! This is ffxiv. This is what we like here.
>>714205251What’s hilarious is that it really did make folder dumper stop because the counts gets updated automatically. I can’t believe he’s self conscious about that of all things.
>>714209641I didn't boughted Before Crisis, Dimensions, Dimensions II, or the Wiiware Crystal Chronicles games. But I boughteded the others yes.
>>714205015 (OP)Once he realized that the majority of his player base was cheating he just sort of gave up. I don't blame him personally.
at least shareholders are pleased. they are the most important peoples on earth you know
>>714209652All of these could have been fixed if they had dropped console support, yes.
>cash shop competes directly with gold saucer and fc ships/subs
>constant updates to cash shop no new sub/ships to craft only generic rewards and nothing for saucer at all except yearly 1,500 throwaway item
heh but you can't quit you'll lose your house
>>714209705It's pretty funny.
>>714209652Who is we?
Anons are always complaining about these points
Myself included
>>714208762It was a Korean cashshop thing that also had the overpriced drama at the time. They decided not to do it different for this release because then that would’ve been drama again for them. “Why is JP/EN’s cheaper when they didn’t make it?” Lose/Lose all around.
RELICS ARE CHEAP COMMON TOME SLOP AGAIN YAY
>>714205702>Not a mageWhere is your argument here?
>>7142077781. He's basically a peasant
2. Enemies are the ones with said mechs
>>714209705Hmmmm...reminds me of someone else who changed the way they post because of what was said about them
>>714210070At least I’m ahead of the game and botting current dungeon each day while at work to get a weapon a day.
Catching up the tomestones in EW was pain cause of how long it took botting
>it's been a year and they updated the saucer with a 1500 mgp item ^_____________^ blessed yoshi p take me from behind!!!
>>714210252i mean i'm not hating on you, filthy cheater, the company doesn't care about the pervasive cheating in all aspects of the game and that's on them. keep doing you!
>>714209032>Square announces no big games for the next three years in a shareholders meeting >Cause their games have been so dogshit lately, shareholders like this and value goes upUnbelievable kek
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>>714205702XIVtrannies got real quiet after this
>>714210070Relics were never valuable. I laugh at retards like you that think grinding adds value
>>714205702Hes actually a cripple who cant do anything anymore, not someone who can pretend to be a functional person.
>>714210605it does cockroach you can even clear ultimates in less time making them worth even less than a zeta XD
>>714210494It was already answered when someone made a
>But what about XIVthread
Arenvald got injured by Lunar ifrit and him being in a wheelchair was treated as an awful tragedy, not a "Yasss qween you are valid" moment
>>714208849So what does it look like now?
>>714210494There are plenty of replies, read you dumb nigger frogposter
>>714210070No they aren't. But you'll keep pretending anyway.
>>714210732Keep telling yourself that, you absolute loser.
>I pressed the same buttons for 50 hours! Reward me!Absolutely pathetic
>>714210241he wants to be That One so hard
>>714210915you can clear ultimates without healers or tanks and get carried even if you're into that it takes like twenty min bitch "ultimate" weapons are all over the place XD
>>714210732I can do a zeta relic from start to finish in one day. Source: I did it so I could have my Apocalypse ready for an UWU glam since I wanted to only wear ARR items for it.
>>714210768Plus he's already working on rehabilitation to walk again. Unlike the faggy mage
>>714211024>XDWhy are you so mad? Why do you talk like a pajeet?
>>714211041no you could not, even though they're nerfed to hell and back, and certainly not backe when relics meant something, but still, you do illustrate my point- ultimates are worthless and relics are too now. ENJOY
>>714211229I could, and I did. This was in EW.
>>714211226This is the real answer
They are hoping for some China whale money
Wait a minute, this is a YoshiP seethe thread. Why are people talking about FFXIV in it.
>>714210494wow will never have kino like this
https://youtu.be/5ttlAwhRD-I
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>mfw i watch trannies argue between wow and xiv and i don't play either
>capcha 4RONG
>>714211449this was a kino fight
raped by wuk bs
So now that both WoW and XIV are pozzed dogshit and people are noticing it...
Where do we go?
>>714209652Why are xiv players so rabid for crunch culture in video games
>where is my new worthless ultimate fight that can be done in twenty minutes with youtube guide??
you can always do the current relics while you wait for new worthless ultimate? relics still mean something right?
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Im rabid for my character looking like a badass cowboy and id like to be added to the thread boogeyman list please, call me John Gunwalker when you do
>>714211857>where is my new worthless ultimate fightin 7.51
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>>714211041Yeah I believe that if you had some of the poetic items prebought (it’s around 3500 poetics per relic, if you’re not cashing alexandrite with allied seals).
After doing one way back in ARR, I worked on the rest in EW, but opted to do each stage at the same time. Could do the books and quests at the same time.
Light farming is a bunch of Garudas (if on bonus) or Moogle (if you can get him to death range before first add spawns).
ARR relics are the faster now, because HW is waaay more gated by Poetics.
>>714211738/v/ told me mmos were a dead genre 10 years ago. i just learned they were right only a few years ago. it's over for people like us
>>714205110Bro I literally tell you it's creepy to make 20 threads daily about this faggot
>>714211834bro if developers of live service games don't have time and resources to make new content why don't they just make tweaks to old content with a new loot table? retarded developers leave this content to rot so yeah it's 100% bad decisions not them not having enough resources
>>714211226>>714211301People are already shitting on the monetization being over the top
>>714212369The only thing I had prebought were the three mists, since I had that done in ARR already for every relic.
>if you’re not cashing alexandrite with allied sealsI did exactly that, I was stacked from BLU weeklies.
>Light farming is a bunch of Garudas (if on bonus) or Moogle (if you can get him to death range before first add spawns).I did normal mode Ifrit, not even hard mode. Queue in, explode, leave, repeat. Took like three hours. The hardest part was just the books which made me want to kill myself.
>>714210915Isn't it half and half? I've been pretty slow in getting the crystals, but I thought once you completed the first relic it was tomestone shortcuts for the other classes.
>>714212959Yes, but it can't be a poetic dump relic by definition if there's a grind.
>>714212959Yeah you gather the 18 demiatmas once, then it's 1500 tomestones for each weapon.
>>714211976You need way more pictures to spam if you want to become one. The worst thing you have done is make a half assed glam
wait
what happened to beastmaster
>>714213101probably in 7.4 or 7.5
>>714213101was always slated for late dawntrail. we have no idea what it will actually entail. there's a few theories
>erenville style>ffxi style>arcadion style
>>714205110They're Neets who have made FFXIV their personality.
>>714213197so why does emet-selch-kun get to be an avatarfag
>>714210915the first one is a baby grind the twenty others are cheap common trash and i don't just mean cheap on your end spending some common tome currency handed out like candy i mean cheap on yoshi's end recycling atma again but not having the balls to make it worthwhile and the settling on uncreative tome trash after everyone hated it last expansion
they don't care. he doesn't care. you do for some reason?
get some fucking standards
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>>714209032That means ffxiv will get content right? R-right?
>>714213192>arcadion stylei will only accept this if they actually give us full transformations
>>714212959it's half-and-half, upfront grind and then tomestones
>>714213293Because he's based.
>>714213192it'll be ffxiv summoner style. please look forward to it
>>714207778>Mechs are of Garlean and Goblin design>Despite being friends with Garlemald now, there's no way military engineers would want to give the secret away>Gobbie tech is made by an enemy faction that actively hordes all sorts of knowledge and reacts violently to any attempts to share it. >You would need ceruleum to power it which would be expensive for general day to day use.
>>714213101Kek fuck knows. Memba when the live letters would should tidbits of stuff to come in later patches that was being worked on currently? The passion is long gone and now they struggle to get current patch content out the door on time
>>714212951I was a big time cheater with the books. I had Sonar setup to let me know when the Fates were up. Would take 30 minutes a book. world is such a boon for it.
Kids don’t know what it was like. It used to be 10 kills for each book mob. But only 3 would be spawned at a time (which is the current requirement). In addition, the dungeon item drops for the second to last part was RNG, not guaranteed like it is now (and no unsync back then of course)
Overall I liked it more than HW’s boring gauntlets of old content it does at you twice.
>>714213402would beg the question of what's the point of it being limited if it does that
>>714213010>>714213048>>714213318Alright. I suppose it's an understandable compromise, but I still despise it. Tomestones should have little to no involvement in relics.
>>714213402That's what im expecting. They'll rehash the original Summoner mechanics
>>714213294ahem ahem
it requires a grind ergo it's not a tomestone relic
>>714213467on top of how fucking overkill a mech is for being paraplegic
>>714213575they've always been part of relics, check zodiac and anima weapons again
>>714213526Same reason they got rid of the original summoner
Is there anyone happy with the Korean assets being reused, repackaged and sold for the price of the expansion itself?
Japs are seething, NA is seething, Europeans are seething the only people who are happy are troons but they are seething while also feeling the deep need to defend YoshiP.
>>714213626you are a sprout; it's an insulting baby grind and then tome trash
it's what they intend to keep people like you happy with less but other players just get irritated by the lack of effort, sprout
>>714213575>Tomestones should have little to no involvement in relics.Bit late on that one, my friend.
>>714213526Taming a new pet will be functionally identical to learning new BLU spells with similar if not identical effects and they'll say it can't be a real job for the same reasons.
>>714213849imagine thinking beast won't be a reskinned blu XD
>>714213792Okay, let's make a deal: as soon as you can point out a vendor that sells demiatma for tomes, you'll get the win in this argument.
>>714213779cash shop shit is retarded and modern day glam is for faggots but beyond all of that, you're a bitch niggerfaggot
>>714213636I am well aware of their involvement in Zodiac and Anima, and I stand by my statement, regardless of prior involvement. The same way I stand by the idea that the final stage relic of each expansion should be usable as an entry point to the relic weapon of the following expansion, similar to Zodiac to Anima weapons.
How would you feel if BST didn't have a level
But when you catch something, it has its own level and learns actions while leveling?
I'd imagine once you capture a pet, you would be able to summon/dismiss as desired
>>714213998>the only people who are happy are troons but they are seething while also feeling the deep need to defend YoshiP.Found the troon
>>714213996as soon as you get original zeta weapons with no nerfs sprout
>>714214045And give the pets EVs and IVs and natures
>>714214164lol I was coming up with something off the top of my head, but now that you mention it, I guess its too close to Pokemon
>>714214164and change xiv to turn based
This is how we xiv it, for your viewing pleasure my fellow zivvies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lt7NC83UI8
>>714214130I'll be waiting for your proof.
Ticky tocky.
>his Courier Cassie isn't adamant nature
>>714214045It'd be interesting at the least, but never happen. If the class doesn't have a level, there's nothing to tie to the players HP/MP/stats. It would be a neat idea to use the 'Captured pet has its own level' thing, but that's probably too much work for them to do.
>>714214049I'm not talking about poopoopeepeeman, I'm talking about you, you niggerfaggot. You're here on this board daily making threads about XIV while posting literall whos from various forums n shit, is that your purpose in life? To hateworship this kusoge? You just can't help yourself, you keep smelling the syrup.
>>714214305Damn, is there any XIV content creator that isn't dooming?
It's unironically over.
>>714214269I'm serious though, Pokemon autism is a good way to fill time on BST
>clear out inventory to actually have more than 10 empty slots
>run expert roulette
>fill fifteen (15) inventory slots
This game would be a lot more fun if I didn't spend 50% of my time just trying to deal with not paying them for 2 more retainers
>>714213779I find it funny that this was what broke the camels back for everyone. That cash shop has always been overpriced bullshit.
I'm still mad that the FFX outfits were the only old FF outfits to be cash shop only and that the WotL crossover was also straight to cash shop. Greedy Japs
>>714214279Unironically, if they implemented it to be a pokemon style turn based combat system, I'd unironically take it as a good sign.
>>714205110>making very light criticism of Yoshida-sanlol you're all actually just being mentally ill and lashing out
>>714214305what the fresh fuck is that avatar. jesus christ
>>714213849>>714213918I just wana know how big they'll go with the beasts
Chose your starter. For me, it's Flowerpot Bill.
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Jug_Pets
>>714214420Just delete your items, only buy or gather things as you need them, you literally not need the vast majority of the items in your storage
>>714214045So you just become invincible? Or run around high level areas as level 1?
>>714214434like wow's pet battles or ffxi's pankration?
>>714214404When game is good content creators make positive videos.
When game is bad, content creators make negative videos.
They're a reaction rather than the cause.
But to answer your question, no there isn't and most people who used to cover FFXIV have moved on.
Zepla moved on to WoW.
Lulu changed his name and moved on to other games.
Arthars isn't playing FF14 anymore and hasn't for a while, he's being sponsored to play GW2 and is playing gacha games.
Xeno plays FFXIV barely but is mostly doing reacts and painting WH40K models.
Dawntrail killed the content creator scene for FFXIV, it's too depressing. Even ones who came over and were obsessed with the game like Okaymage hasn't streamed for weeks and is taking a massive break from the game because it was ruining her mental health.
>It's an MMOfags keep taking up oxygen thread
You guys pay $15 a month for this slop.
>>714214723I guess I best end my sub. Seems like it'll never be better.
>>714214431It's more because it's on the back of the previous live letter where YoshiP said they couldn't add in a Normal mode for fork tower because of Cost. Yet then release overpriced cash shop reused assets from the Korean version of the game. It's completely tone deaf to what people are wanting from the game right now.
>>714214705Never played XI, so I dunno about pankration, but I think the pet battles may be similar, except expand it to include proper monsters, not just minions.
>>714214431>I find it funny that this was what broke the camels back for everyoneit wasn't for me. I cancelled my sub last year. I'm just watching things get worse from the outside
>>714214334>>714214618idk maybe you are auto-synced to your pet's level
spitballing her
>>714207140Yeah I just ignore TBN complaints. It's literally what the move fucking does. It's like complaining that you need to parry enemies to get a counterattack in an action game.
When you say it doesn't have enough going on - so you just want to press more buttons, but not have it be any harder or have any benefit over what the class currently does? If you want it harder than it already is I feel like you're a huge masochist, because the class is already really fucking punishing.
>>714214829Oh shit, I didn't realise this was from the Korean version, that's hilarious. Though doesn't it fit the narrative Yoshi is making?
>We have no funds, so we need to sell overpriced, reused assestIt's the token 'we have no money' thing to do?
>>714214404There's that one puppet vtuber dude. He's on the opposite side of never talking about the issues though. At most he'll occasionally talk about his 'ideal but reasonable' situation.
>>714214045Sounds fine. I can't really claim to have expectations with Beastmaster. Not even because I think it'll be shit, I just have no idea what they're gonna do. I'm sure they still have enough parts to use the old pet system so that seems like an obvious choice. They could cop out and have it be a blue mage wannabe. I don't think they're gonna take arcadion as an example, though that and the Mamook dailies both have different hints of Beastmaster ideas.
>>714214941I meant regarding the cash shop, you narcissist
>>714214959You shouldn't spitball her anon. She wont like that
>>714214595All the crap I've collected is all playing this game has accomplished though.
Do you know how many fucking inventory slots I would save if raid tokens were made currency? Hell let me stack Phoenix Downs for fuck's sake.
>714213467
Remember when we had casual raids in our Foray content?
>>714215024Yeah but why pay for it when they're admitting that money isn't going back into the game, here's a comment from the forums that sums it up.
I hate getting DRKs in my groups that think TBN is literally their only mit/the only mit they have to use.
>>714206879>Realistically, what's the problem with DRK?the filler is kinda simple and boring, which is something that can be applied to WAR too, but WAR is allowed to get away with it because idiots go "UNGA BUNGA HEALING"
DRK is also really shit below lvl 70, but the main thing is most people that complain are just bad at DRK, because its biggest issues which was blood weapon charges being on a timer got fixed in EW, but the core rotation could probably use something extra
>>714214723Why did people hype the game during ShB then? The patch cycle hasn't changed and 5.1, 5.4 and 5.5 had awful story patches.
>>714215354Had to pretend they loved it because they wanted to court WoW tourists.
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>>714215164>FFXIV's competitors in the story-game market, like Baldurs Gate 3, Metaphor, and Clair Obscur, are fully voice acted, including side story content.>FFXIV can't even have HALF the main story voiced, Dawntrail had even LESS than normal voice acting, and side stories always have ZERO voice actingIf SE wants to compete, they need to start doing full voice acting, there is ZERO excuse at this point.
>>714215164That's a good point. It baffles me they're on a shoe string budget
>>714214959I think the closest to that would be the pet is essentially a replacement for you. Think of something like
>Class starts at level 1, giving you a basic monster at level 1>The pets level is treated as your level, when it dies so do you>All BST equipment scales, essentially being glamour only gearI feel that'd be the only way to really do a levelless class for it, unless they just want to scale it to your highest beast and give you infinite capacity, but I think that'd be gay.
>>714215502are you retarded
>>714215354>The patch cycle hasn't changedYeah we know, we're on 7.3 now and we're at maximum fatigue levels. It was tolerable at 5.1, 5.4, 5.5 but that was almost 4-6 years ago and we're still stuck on the same patch cycle.
>>714215354those patches were working towards a large goal was were clearly setting up the big final fight where we'd fight Zenos and finally learn the mysteries of Hydaelyn and Zodiark, DT by virute of starting after EW doesn't have this benefit which makes people way less forgiving for boring parts of the MSQ, we're also in a feedback loop of negativity because ffxiv youtubers realized being negative brings views, so someone raises a complains, youtuber finds it and blows it up, their idiot viewers parrots it and blows it up even more until the youtuber finds it and blows it up even more.
That and moronic ideas are allowed to fester because of youtubers.
>>714212883eastern devs just can't help themselves, they're all the absolute worst about it
>>714215607>we're also in a feedback loop of negativity because ffxiv youtubers realized being negative brings viewshear hear
>>714214723When Lukile gives up I'll know it's well and truly over.
>>714215590The patch cycle from 3.3 to 5.3 didn't change much either why the fatigue?
>>714215502Agreed, when I read that story about Charlie Cox who played Gustave in Exp 33 was only in the booth for a single day, for 8 hours that's when it fully hit me how fucking lazy and cheap FFXIV/ SE have been with their VA's. They could easily pay for their voice actors in all languages to do more booth time, fucking easily they paid K4SEN streamer group over $1million to play the game earlier this year for 4 days.
They paid hololive vtubers $5million to play the game for a few days.
If only they spent that money instead ON THE FUCKING GAME, to improve it, get the voice acting done. That would be a good first step to updating this game.
>>714215021>When you say it doesn't have enough going on - so you just want to press more buttons, but not have it be any harder or have any benefit over what the class currently does?Not necessarily more buttons to press, but the only thing DRK has right now to me is TBN. The filler is really boring (and holy shit I'd kill myself if I mained DRK without a mod to put Power Slash back in), and their burst is mostly just off-brand WAR. Fray doesn't really feel satisfying to use either. If I could change it however I wanted, I'd make it work like it does in Jack's game. Blood Weapon drains HP, Souleater eats your HP, and then you stack the two together so as long as you maintain both you're getting a huge damage buff and draining back any HP you spend as long as you're attacking. FFXI's version kinda works like that too with Dread Spikes but instead that works by draining HP from an enemy when it hits you. I feel like DRK should have that health yo-yo vibe.
>>714212883>F2P peopleThey don't matter.
>>714215738I just told you why, are you being dense on purpose right now?
>>714215738wow tourists now are caught up and experienced an expansion
>>714215502Voice acting is for hylics. All the best games ever made had no voice acting.
>>714215738the fatigue is completely imaginary, what happened is the backed-up content ran dry for the new wave of shadowbringers and endwalker players, so now patches "must" come faster because they ran out of shit to do that interests them and they want FFXIV to be their daily and only video game
>>714215354people bitched during ShB just like how they bitched during DT, it's not different you're just all bitches that loves to complain instead of doing anything productive with your lives.
>>714215897>ChineseOpinion discarded.
>>714215738Except that it extended by another month and a half per patch.
>>714215354Because that's a whole lot of opinions you've got there, as I don't recall any of those being awful at all. Set-up perhaps, but they weren't awful.
>>714215828Square always goes over the top with monetization, it's why all their ftp games fail. Watch XIV mobile be no different
>>714216012Tell me your favorite part of 5.1
>>714215897Sadly true.
Add to that the preexisting negativity cycle and it's all just the same clichéd talking points regurgitated.
We're getting less bla bla bla we used to get more in Shadowbringers. Things have gotten worse with every passing expansion, when in reality, Heavensward, Shadowbringers and Endwalker all provided less.
>>714216040So it did change, and we got nothing in return for the extended cycle. As a matter of fact we started getting MORE bugs and emergency maintenances when the cited reason for the extension was quality control.
>>714216040you see anon these people live in the mmo and the idea they have to wait another month is killing them because they dont do or play anything else.
>>714216012Really, though, 5.1, 5.4 and 5.5 were quite lame.
They were serviceable, but I wouldn't say they were strong.
>>714216158>these people live in the mmoThat's the point of an MMO.
>>714215895You don't understand, what the game needs to fix all the budget being spent on hours and hours and fucking hours of voiced cutscenes instead of anything interactive or fun is more fucking voiced cutscenes
>>714216080Shadowbringers ended 4 years ago.
Does the passage of time mean nothing to you weirdos?
>The game was like this in heavens 3.3 which was 9 years ago so why are you mad it's still like that now huh? Huh?I have to think you're some brain dead retard to not understand the concept that having the same formula for years and years is BORING to the player base.
>>714215147Delete raid tokens once you get BIS for all of the roles you actually play or once the tier is no longer relevant, delete consumable items, like potions and food with ilevels lower than 730, and materia. A lot of stuff you get in your inventory is just deceptive junk
>>714216080"we're getting less bla bla bla" is interesting because this also actually got repeated during shadowbringers and endwalker in relation to dungeon count, and it was only actually true for endwalker in terms of aggregate raw content, shadowbringers had a full alliance raid series squirreled away in bozja and then endwalker didn't have a pot to piss in
heavensward was debateably endwalker 1.0 in terms of actual content provided, diadem was a failure on all counts and everybody fucking hated how hard savage was
>>714216250But it was always like that so it should always be like that.
Unless you're talking about the original job design of course, that all needed to change and you're retarded and also Barry if you want DoTs back on SCH or the return of TP.
>>714215897>so now patches "must" come faster because they ran out of shit to do that interests them and they want FFXIV to be their daily and only video gamethis, and it's why I can't agree or even sympathize with them, because I actually have a job so the extra month really doesn't amount to much, but also FFXIV has never ever been designed as a "main game" it's casual game you can jump in and out of whenever you want and it is best enjoyed as something you log into and chill with, for a long time all I did was log in, do some dalies, a hunt and maybe a roulette or two with friends and that was enough and I feel many more people would be happier if they did that.
>>714216250Because these are comparative statements.
If you wanna argue that DT should have this or that or doesn't provide what you want in a vacuum, then that's fine.
The moment you start saying "we're getting less than", you're comparing it to something that came before, at which point I have the right to mention that that is objectively untrue.
Korean belt set buck broke the remaining player base.
>>714216142the cited reason for the extension was yoshida treating his workers like human beings and reducing crunch
>>714216438The cited reason was quality control, and I'll go find the live letter if you want to continue being a lying faggot.
>>714216343Yeah. Shadowbringers wasn't perfect, though, lacking a deep dungeon and having the biggest gap between two patches, as well as lacking an allied society questline.
>>714216229no, you can have a life in the mmo but when the mmo becomes your life you've gone too far and you're a loser trying to escape real life.
>>714216364Kek, pretty much. It's amazing the mental gymnastics these weirdos do to defend the current state of the game. Then they wonder why people are being so negative. It's some amazing levels of cognitive dissonance, wrapped up in their bubble of reality completely out of touch with how people think.
Imagine saying that the game hasn't changed in 4-9 years "and that's a good thing!".
>>714216158Nta but the half patch shit is aids. It's especially designed for retards that live in a mmo. I lost count at how many times I'll boot up after patch to find the one thing i actually want to do is a month down the line for some fucking reason
>>714216435>Look guys I posted another forum post!
>>714216492>lying faggotthis WAS a civil conversation but you ruined it, time to rage about homestuck for five hours
>>714216438>>714216492Fairly sure the cited reason was "look at how much more dialogue, voiced lines, camera work, bla bla bla" we're doing compared to Heavensward.
You made a video game your identity.
>>714216438The reason was cause of covid restrictions. They just never went back
>>714216569Abloobloobloo, cry for me you lying faggot bitch. If you simply learned to stop fucking lying all the time I wouldn't have to constantly rip your asshole open.
>>714216502>lacking an allied society questline.fucking kate
i meant a beast tribe allied quest
>>714216080>We're getting less bla bla bla we used to get more in Shadowbringers.I fucking laugh my ass off when I see people trying to say this, because during ShB people bitched that we were getting less than Stormblood because we didn't get a deep dungeon and we "only" got 2 zones in Bozja vs Eureka's 4 (shit) zones.
>>714216373for pretty much all of endwalker for the sake of my own sanity and because there wasn't really much to do but relic weapons, i just did dailies and then either collected one or more relic tomestone macguffins or i logged off, then unsubbed once i had all the relics. ez game ez life, worth the $12 a month
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Not even FFXIV's biggest streamers are playing FFXIV anymore.
>>714216648the beast tribe quest wouldn't matter at all, since the pixies are so horribly powerful. grey catboy appears, he gets turned into a leafman. das it
>>714216282I never keep food or materia but that doesn't keep them from dumping 7 of the latter on me every time I enter a current expansion dungeon.
>>714216669Both statements are true, that's why it's sad
>>714216549>Nta but the half patch shit is aids.>I lost count at how many times I'll boot up after patch to find the one thing i actually want to do is a month down the line for some fucking reasonthen don't play until the thing you want to play comes out?
>>714216708>xenosys playing terais he an elin chad?
>>714216613Reminder these are the people raiding this thread right now. They're from /xivg/ and posted their meet up and characters. They are the ones who fervently are defending this game and wanting people to shut up if you are critical.
>>714216613I WAS HERE!!!!!!
>>714216645>it's your fault i'm a frothing animal on the internet and i'm le raping and le gaping yousure pal, or little buddy should i say
>>714216613I don't understand this post, the webm shows a guy being good at video games and getting cheered on by his chat. I'd get this post more if it was showing a guy crashing out over something minor in game or something weird like the video game song tiktoks but no, this is just a guy being good at games.
>>714216861I don't pay enough attention to this shit. Only people who live in mmo's do
>>714216669It's just such a parrot argument, and I think that annoys me more than anything else in XIV. People who just say and repeat things and claim to believe things because they've heard it often enough and aren't looking at it objectively.
>>714216060Don't have one. You seem to have this retarded idea that if something big and WOOOOOW for me to latch on to then it must have been a shit bit of story, but it was, what, dealing with Eulmore stuff and setting up the elidibus stuff? Yes, having a quick look, it was that and getting beq lugg.
So no, I don't have a favorite part in any of that. But that doesn't mean it was shit, you Hyperbolic retard. That just means it was set up because a well paced story needs slow bits to set up the actually important moments. If you play through 5.1-5.3 as a whole package without patch waiting times you aren't gonna have a whole lot to bitch about.
>>714216172I'm not arguing they were strong. But as I've already ranted I'm just saying that set-up story isn't generally meant to wow you or be a big deal. It's not bad, it just 'is'.
If you want a bad x.1 patch you have to have something like a retard character making a decision that, say, leads to a primal being summoned in the middle of a political pow-wow. It's bad because it has big moment, but you remember it for all the wrong reasons.
>>714216891God I loathe to see what the last fanfest was like. 2018’s was way normal in comparison, literally no troons, just nerds. The Covid explosion of troons was so damaging for all of gaming
>>714216708Yes, so why does this thread exist? Why even continue to talk about the game when its clear everyone would rather be doing something else. The content is too sparse and shallow to warrant these threads being daily and no big happening is currently happening.
>>714216859>Both statements are trueno they aren't, Bozja's 2 zones were not only better designed but more feature rich than Eureka's 4 zones, the Lost action system is objectively better than logograms.
>>714216990yeah ffxiv's community is overall really fucking dumb and will just latch onto any thing and act like its true without putting in a microsecond of thought into it
>>714216920Remember that you are a narcissist and a habitual liar and you simply can not admit when you are wrong.
>batteries on my controller run out while i'm being invaded in elden ring
fire kate and fire hiroi. this is the last time i'll ever be attacked like this by localizers
>>714216708they are just pulling a exodus like they did to blizzard in shadowlands in the hopes shit changes
the difference is blizzard usually has the plan B already in place so they can change shit and act like they did it for da peepel, it's almost clockwork that they release something people will hate, then fix it in a later patch or expansion and act like they listened when in reality they had this shit planned from the start
FFXIV and that shit group thinks they are perfect and won't do shit, the upcoming 8.0 job changes will be absolute trash because they don't know what they are doing
>>714217197Did you hear Alisaie's father in Elden Ring?
>>714217165>yeah ffxiv's community is overall really fucking dumb and will just latch onto any thing and act like its true without putting in a microsecond of thought into itWhich is also how you get them repeating the same fucking JOKES AND MEMES for over a fucking decade. Because they don't think for themselves. Monkey see, monkey do.
GUYS LOOK DRAGOON FLOOR TANK! OH NO HE'S HOT!!!!! OMG VARIS IS TEH NAHZI HE SAID ONE RACE ONE UBERMENSCH"
>begins raging about homestuck on command
Pavlov couldn't hope for better training
>>714205110What defense force? these threads have been a whole year of the same autists shitting on fino fano.
>>714217056I went to 2023's and while there were still a lot of just nerds there was definitely a noticeable percentage of these people.
>>714217260>they are just pulling a exodus like they did to blizzard in shadowlandsXIV players pulled an exodus during shadowbringers. Arthars declared the game was dead and went to play wow full time during 9.0 and Xenos retired from 14 to play something I don't remember? Maybe Aion Classic?
>>714217317okay buddy I also think ffxiv's community is uniquely unfunny but its not worth getting this worked up over.
>>714217317haha yeah, DID SOMEBODY SAY [THUNDERFURY] ANAL? MANKIRKWIFE BARRENS CHAT LOL
>>714217292i did actually it was really fun catching the twins' peepee pants father as morgot and margit
counter fun fact from a similar place: i'm like 90% certain that the voice for siegward, siegmeyer, and alexander is the voice for thunder god cid in the ivalice raid
>>714217165I meant both statements are true regarding shb having less content that sb and that we now have even less content than shb. It's a constant decline
>>714217325>Oh my god! It's a carl johnson post!!!
>>714217448>XIV players pulled an exodus during shadowbringers. Arthars declared the game was dead and went to play wow full time during 9.0 and Xenos retired from 14 to play something I don't remember? Maybe Aion Classic?XIV died in ShB....
>>714217519>It's a constant declineno it isn't, go outside and unsub from ffxiv youtubers it's impacting your ability to perceive reality
>>714214723>>714216708What is your obsession with e-celebs. I watch none of those, same with most of the players
>>714217056>God I loathe to see what the last fanfest was like.
>>714217439Not hating the game with teethchattering rage makes you a shill cultist defense force soldier or something.
>>714217616because he doesn't actually play the game so he's using metrics available to those outside of it
>>714217519>now have even less content than shb.https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/3a23a8ba13b2c4152681ec4fa5716915b851002f
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/b0151eaed1faecb46061b947cf9c08bed75d230d
Here's the patch notes for 5.1 and 5.2 go ahead and point all of it out that's missing.
>>714217519>and that we now have even less content than shb. It's a constant declinewe do?
>>714217485Yeah Miyazaki is on record for saying he loves English but Welsh VAs for his games because it adds authenticity to the setting and gives it that dark fantasy feeling.
The same VA studio FFXIV used for their brits is SIDE UK and Fromsoft used the same one so I've no doubt a bunch of them worked on both. I'm pretty sure I heard Jonathan Bailey in Elden Ring as one of the friendly NPCs but I haven't looked it up to confirm.
>>714217616retards think it's the only thing that matters, not understanding FFXIV was much better when the unwashed masses were not touching it
>>714217056>i went to an mmo convention and the people there weren't normal
>>714217056Venatsisters.....
>>714217616E-celebs unfortunately in CURRENT YEAR are a shittest for multiplayer games to track their popularity. It's not an absolute science but it's like a vibe check.
>>714217764fun fact, I just recently remembered ishgard restoration was only added proper with 5.21, not 5.1
>>714217796>I'm pretty sure I heard Jonathan Bailey in Elden RingWtf I thought he'd stop doing VA work besides Graha because he's a mainstream actor now
>>714217056I went to the London fanfest and the worst cosplayers were the Nophica cosplayers who after the viral popularity of that Onlyfans girl in the U.S. fanfest they tried to replicate it in the London fanfest but they were so ugly, so fat and out of shape. I applaud their confidence but they were real fucking munters that not even 10 pints would cure.
>>714217864Yea sure fag. Go back to donating your paycheck to your fav streamer.
>>714217912I mean Elden Ring came out in 2022 when there were a bunch of lockdowns in the UK stopping filming, production for the game would have been 2021 so it was probably perfect for him a quick gig for some cash.
Reminder that the modbeast community is currently killing mare with their gigantic mods
>>714218081Cool. Keep it coming.
>>714218051Still would, cute nerd girls with self-esteem issues are my kryptonite.
>>714205015 (OP)Definition of putting words in someone's mouth.
>>714218081>coomers destroying their own paradise through shortsightednessTHE GREAT CATACLYSM, FAITHFULLY RECREATED
>>714218081Like the mare devs server bill is gonna be through the roof levels of killing it
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>>714218081>>714218208THE END HAS CUM AND IT WILL BE BEAUTIFUL
This was the best cosplayer.
>>71421822910/10 in Wales.
>>714205780OH SHIT HERE COMES QUAD THE CONQUERER
>>714218081Good. I hope they grow larger and collapse the whole thing.
>>714218424Now 'ere's a couple o' good English lads
>>714218489This one's from the online fanfest
>>714218489https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N69bl_F2JcM
>>714218462this this this
>>714218462The dev is probably putting in some limitations before that and the modbeasts will complain that they have to actually optimize
>>714216645Anon, one of the primary needs for communication is an assumption that someone is speaking honestly. Have you considered the possibility that the person is not intentionally trying to decieve but instead misremembering?
If you're immediately going to assume someone is lying in a situation like this, why bother? Nothing they say would matter.
>>714218476They're smiling because they went three's up on a bastard on the limit break girl.
Step aside, the best cosplay for FFXIV.
https://youtu.be/N7uocUVD_nw?si=4LHjrEp-GYu_5v9r&t=947
>>714215164Ajisaii my beloved
>>714218751Just makes me think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47F4V-or73s
>>714215895You can't be a story/ narrative first game and have most of your story unvoiced. It's not the era of the PS1 anymore.
>>714218891Yeah, in the PS1 era vidya was made for intelligent people with a divine spark and now it's slop for hylics to mindlessly consume. But that's why we need to return.
>>714208181I have both sets, because I play Miqo'te F.
The Open back set has short cloth pants with socks and leather loafers, the other one has leather pants with a thong strap and tall leather boots
You really have to look at them in person using the dream dressing room at the inn, if your playing at higher resolutions, the screen shots don't do the sets justice, the textures really pop
>>714218891VA has never been a positive for vidya
Was dude waiting for months for somebody to mention FanFest cosplay so he can folder dump that? Are we gonna need a cosplay tab for the GOOGLE DOCKEY?
>>714218891>You can't be a story/ narrative first game and have most of your story unvoicedYes you canm voice acting is a budget issue nothing more nothing less.
>t. CRPGfag
>>714218891I think you can and even should. Retards should learn to fucking read.
>>714218891Are you retarded?
>>714218984No it was due to limitations of the technology at the time, diskspace on the ps1 disks that you couldn't have voice acting for all your RPGs.
PS2 era fixed that and somehow FFXIV in the era now of the PS5 STILL hasn't fixed this.
>>714219069There are at least two of us posting, you can't just call everything a folder dump.
>>714218984Hammy dialogue was also much more bearable when you could add your own inflections.
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>google dockey
still makes me laugh
i hear it in his voice
>>714209921This dude losing his shit about modern shit
>>714219073Yeah I play CRPGs too which is why one of the features for Rogue trader, widely request was MORE voice acting in the recent Arbites update.
BG3 had everything voice acted and it was a huge appeal to casuals, while the CRPGs released recently that aren't VA'd are forgotten.
Disco Elisyum as well, the characters are remembered because of their VAs.
I don't know why you people are fighting tooth and nail against the very idea of having your story narrative first game unvoice acted, it costs almost nothing for them to do and it's not time intensive either.
I have to think it's contrarian posting at this point, actively fighting against something which would be a POSITIVE for the game.
Remember when a furry spread covid throughout a fanfest and then tried to gain sympathy for it by drawing a comic strip series about it?
>>714219289modern glamours trance, cash shop trance, job homogenization trance, dawntrail defenders trance
>>714219163I want to coome so hard and deep inside this Alisaie it's unreal.
>>714219294>I don't know why you people are fighting tooth and nail against the very idea of having your story narrative first game unvoice actedBecause it is costly, and it reduces the storytelling potential when you have to consider voice acting. Rewrites mean pulling people back into record new stuff. Adding more to the game also means pulling people back in. It's a completely pointless expense that takes resources away from the actual game. Voice acting has never added anything to a game for anyone who has a functioning imagination.
>>714219547lol
Watching that and posting in the FF thread was good times
>>714205015 (OP)>china gachas releasing content patches every 6 weeks>ff14 struggling with every 4 monthsif you wanted to understand why this game is dying
>>714219702Cosplay contests are the best part of fanfests on here.
>>714219294>I don't know why you people are fighting tooth and nail against the very idea of having your story narrative first game unvoice acted, it costs almost nothing for them to do and it's not time intensive either.Ever read a book?
>>714219742Its her
WIDELYN
That takes confidence though so props there
>>714219727Which gachas have 48 player raids
>>714219456>Because it's costlyAs I've already posted here you are wrong
>>714215812>and it reduces the storytelling potentialWhat the fuck are you talking about?
>Rewrites mean pulling people back into record new stuffOk then get people back in the studio,
>Adding more to the game also means pulling people back in.Ok, yes do that.
>It's a completely pointless expense that takes resources away from the actual game.Disagree heavily as explained in the post I linked to you.
>Voice acting has never added anything to a game for anyone who has a functioning imagination.Good voice acting elevates the story, I couldn't image playing Exp 33 with no voice acting. I couldn't imagine playing Cyberpunk 2077, Red Dead 1 and 2, Mass effect 1-3, and a bunch of other story heavy games with no voice acting.
Even games where there is minimal story and it's more context based, games like the Souls the voice acting that exists like Blaidd with his Welsh accent his calming voice is a juxtaposition to his frightening first appearance which is intrinsic to the story so here voice acting IMPROVES the game and narrative.
>>714214420Bro your grand company?
>>714219760>Comparing two different mediums for a gotchaWhat a fucking retard you are. Audiobooks exist you know.
https://youtu.be/5H1JfbojwtI?si=elI0QJUnj-WT8f8M&t=24
>>714219994Bro you can't even play some old FFs. Voice acting limits a lot and it is costly. Why do you think 14 won't put full VA everywhere.
>>714219994>As I've already posted here you are wrongHow do you think Charlie Cox only being in the studio for 8 hours means he was cheap? E33 went all out on voice talent. They had fucking Andy Serkis too. You're also ignoring the fact that if they suddenly decided they wanted Gustave to stay in the game they'd have to call Charlie Cox back in, which limits their decision making on that end. If they want to do a Gustave route DLC? Oh, look they have to call him in again. Whereas if there was no voice acting none of that would have to be considered at all. It's restrictive and yes it's still costly.
>>714219294>Rogue traderThis was because of the people coming in off of the trail of BG3, and BG3 only had full voice acting because Larian had a bigger budget and full focus on the game, and even then like the other Anon said the game had to go through lots of hours of rewrites which involved having the VAs record over 100+ hours of dialogue which isn't normal. DivOS2 in comparrison wasn't fully VA'd until the definitive edition.
> while the CRPGs released recently that aren't VA'd are forgotten. No, they're generally normie repellant for other reasons like character building systems for instance. Spiderweb games despite not being voice acted or even having music maintain a decent level of popularity given their sucessful kickstarters, the Pathfinder games aren't fully VA'd yet remain popular.
> remembered because of their VAs. Wasteland 3 and Solasta are both fully VA'd yet never achieved the level of popularity other CRPGs got which shows how full of shit what y'er saying is, people remember good writing and enjoyable characters not just their voices which are unironically the least important part of the equation.
>>714219742DAMN SHE THICK BOY
>>714220134>Audiobooks exist you know.And straight into the obvious trap. Do they make the books better?
>>714220252Owlcat already complained about how costly full voice acting is. Yet they are trudging along.
>>714220249>costRead all of the post before responding I don't have time to waste energy on people who are arguing over points I've already addressed.
>>714220359Yeah because they have a lot of profitable partnerships now + they're a publisher now too.
What would it actually add to the VIDEO GAME if Machinations cutscenes were voiced?
>>714220326I've been listening to the Horus Heresy while working out and yes the VA's they have for the books enhance the experience vastly.
So what now?
>>714220491>Read all of the post before respondingYeah, I did, and I explained exactly why you're a retard. Follow your own fucking advice. No wonder you need voice acting if you can't even get through a short paragraph.
You guys want to hear every Wuk line? You want to give Sena more money?
>>714220582>and yes the VA's they have for the books enhance the experience vastly.That's only because you don't have a divine spark so you can't actually hear voices in your head when you read text like us true humans do. I don't need every line in the game voiced because I can already hear Y'shtola's voice when I read her text.
>what about wuk and sena
forudo daampo....
>>714219742Asian girls cosplaying will always be better than White girls.
Asians wearing coloured contact lens make my benis feel things.
>>714220582This is called a preference.
It does not actually make the writing better.
I did tell you it was a trap.
>>714218081You would destroy it? Our beautiful world?
>>714220690That bitch is just begging for ryona.
>>714219456No doubt constantly bringing back VAs for every patch is costly but it's a problem that a customer shouldn't be worrying about when they can play anything else that has VA and isn't a text dump. Issue of their own making.
>>714220690That is because you are brown and live in the jungle called Indonesia.
>>714220596You're getting angry over a point that was already addressed to you but you ignored it because it's inconvient. You're complaining about the "cost" while you haven't mentioned at all the marketing budget they waste on streamers to play the game for a few days, which far outstrips the VA budget.
It's not that they don't have the resources, it's that they use them poorly.
Go on defend that.
>>714220723I did not complain once that it made the writing better, I said it enhances the experience.
Which objectively it does the trap here is that you're using a medium that is not gaming to claim that voice acting doesn't work. That's like saying music does not enhance a movie because music should only be heard in it's own medium.
You set up your own trap and walked into it yourself.
>>714220686Bitch don't push it
>>714220891>You're complaining about the "cost" while you haven't mentioned at all the marketing budget they waste on streamers to play the game for a few days, which far outstrips the VA budget.Why would I mention it when that's also fucking retarded? What makes you think I'm here to defend e-celeb marketing strategies? I'm calling you a retard because voice acting doesn't add anything to the VIDEO GAME and I want those resources poured into making the VIDEO GAME better and more robust. Voice acting constricts that on two fronts, both on cost and on the time consideration of recording new lines.
I think 7.2 had a pretty good VA to non-VA cutscene ratio
>>714220747NO MORE SHALL GOONERS HAVE MODS TO MAKE THEM CUM
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>>714220686Need to get an edit of this as Wuk
>>714221028>Why would I mention the cost when it's something I've been complaining about that voice acting costs too much but not addressing that FFXIV has the resources to spend on streamer groups to play the game for a very limited time.Yes, why would you mention this. Almost as if it would invalidate your point.
Yes voice acting does enhance a story narrative game, this isn't even conjecture or some unknown theory, entire games market themselves based on the voice acting talent they bring to their characters now. It is very important, and for you to say that it doesn't matter when one of the biggest complaints for FFXIV Dawntrail in the West is the voice acting quality for the main character Wuk Lamat, it strikes as not only tone deaf but I would say you don't live in reality, you're trying to pretend these things aren't real that people don't care about them when very clearly they do as evidence by Dawntrail, as evidence by the complaints people have of them adopting Americans VAs instead of British VAs for their cast.
>>714220801>>714220971g-g-g-google
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oooooo mamasita yeah it's posted to hell
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>>714220891>I said it enhances the experience.Again, this is a preference. It can go both ways.
It is not a a necessity.
And the comparison is appplicable because in both cases they are both text to audio conversions.
A bad VA would be the equivalent of a bad audiobook reading.
Text has the advantage of allowing the reader to mould things to their preference.
Your "enhanced" experience is merely your lack of imagination being proven to limit your experience.
>>714221502>It's text to audio conversionsIncorrect, there are characters on the screen in a game talking it is not merely text to speech. There are entire cutscenes with action, characters interacting, moving against each other for example when Zoral Ja kills Soral Ja outside the Endless gate that scene is not voice acted and it breaks the immersion of the scene. You have something serious happening on screen, with characters and no one is speaking.
>>714219994>>714215812So it was eight hours of recording, but how many words? That's the usual qualifier for how much it costs to record VAs, a base rate and an additional cost per word.
I also have to ask where you're getting the 1 mil and 5 mil to pay streamers to play. I can believe that they would pay, it's essentially modern day advertising, but you're giving rather specific numbers so I feel compelled to ask.
>>714221424>Yes, why would you mention this. Almost as if it would invalidate your point.No because it's a completely fucking unrelated thing that's also retarded and which I'm not interested in defending because it's fucking stupid.
>Yes voice acting does enhance a story narrative game, this isn't even conjecture or some unknown theory, entire games market themselves based on the voice acting talent they bring to their characters nowFor hylics like you who think video games are supposed to be netflix, yeah. I don't give a shit who's voicing who in a video game, I care if the video game is good.
>and for you to say that it doesn't matter when one of the biggest complaints for FFXIV Dawntrail in the West is the voice acting quality for the main character Wuk LamatWuk Lamat's voice acting is atrocious, but it's not even close to one of the biggest complaints. People complain more often about the writing quality and the content quality. Wuk's shitty voice acting is just the cherry on top of the shit cake that we can all laugh about together.
>you're trying to pretend these things aren't real that people don't care about themI don't give a fuck what hylics care about because they're not real people and their opinions should be considered less valuable than actual feces.
>>714221692Ever watch a silent movie?
>>714221502Found the scene, this is not voice acted and it should be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YBv-WmXfmU
>"spending dev resources on voice acting is retarded"
>HMMMMM BUT YOU HAVE NO COMPLAINTS ABOUT THEM BUYING A BOUNCY CASTLE FOR THE OFFICE.... CURIOUS.........
>>714221757>Wuk Lamat's voice acting is atrocious, but it's not even close to one of the biggest complaintsNow I know you're bullshitting, it was such a big complaint they had the voice actor redo multiple lines in the game which is almost unheard of.
>>714221865>and it should beWhy?
I can already hear their voices on my own. Is the voice acting going to make the jobs fun to play?
Do you think it'd be possible to design a plugin to give side quests VA work? Surely it'd be rather simple, right? Just whenever a certain chat box opens, play the corresponding audio file to match.
If you want more Voiced Cutscenes, just buy more Cash Shop items so they can fund it.
>>714221958They redid a line where they got the region wrong and used an alternate take for the "speeeen" bit in the final trial. She wasn't the only one either, Y'shtola's voice actress redid lines because she did some work while still on maternity leave and she sounded like she was speaking from a tin can in some cutscenes
>>714221984>Why should a dramatic scene be voice acted. I don't know anon because it enhances the experience, if you don't understand that then I think you're missing braincells.
https://youtu.be/sWU6W9F_Uys?si=Ps04zH3fE0Np9uY8&t=478
>>714221958They redid the lines because Kate's friend was getting laughed at from all angles and Sena was probably having a mental breakdown over it. Wuk being the face of Dawntrail's shittiness doesn't make her the actual biggest problem. We have thread after thread in the archives of people writing full essays about Dawntrail's writing without ever mentioning Wuk's voice. Right now the community is generally rioting over the content in Dawntrail not meeting their standards for one reason or another, and the only mention Wuk's voice acting gets now is people laughing at SPEEEEEEEEEN.
>>714222051So you are aware of the importance of voice acting to the point you have awareness they did retake voice lines in the game, interesting.
>>714222096>I don't know anon because it enhances the experienceHow? Is the voice acting going to make the jobs fun to play? I liked E33 because it was fun, not because of the voice acting. Actually hearing Verso's voice gave me a kneejerk disgust response because it only reminded me of Clive.
>>714205110How schizophrenic do you have to be to end up like this
>>714205110>why the fuck so you make hourly threads about this random gook>IM BEING ATTACKED BY AAAAAFREEEGGGGGGG
>>714222097>Right now the community is generally rioting over the content in Dawntrail not meeting their standards for one reason or another,You aren't the whole community little bro. You suck ass as an agent of chaos.
>>714222169People mocking a shitty aspect of the game doesn't make it the most important aspect.
>I prefer it
>Not all of us do
Literally the entire argument rn.
What are you two even arguing about with voice actors or whatever. What is the point right now?
>>714222342Are we now pretending that they didn't spend an entire half of the most recent live letter addressing complaints?
>>714222191You have the ability to mute the game, but you can't be this unaware of why people enjoy voice acting in story games.
It's an intrinsic part of a character, speech, to hear their words it adds to the character, their mannerisms, their personality and enhances the overall experience.
This entire process of people like yourself denying the importance of the story in FFXIV after the devastating player reaction is part reason why the game continues to stagnant you think the importance of the game is the jobs, the raids, the content but the importance of the game the only reason it became popular is the narrative. That is the key foundation for a Final Fantasy game and Dawntrail is the test example which offered a shattered story experience which has had a mostly negative impact on the game.
>>714222385Hylic-kun thinks spending resources on voice acting instead of adding to the video game is what Dawntrail needs and we're explaining why he's stupid.
>>714220690I'll always be mad western cosplay is allowed on some sites, it's all complete garbage with 6 pictures in a gallery usually
>>714222348Are you pretending this is fine?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kye324j2vEc
>>714222567>but you can't be this unaware of why people enjoy voice acting in story games.Oh,, we're fully aware of the amount of people who've never read a book they weren't forced to by schools.
>>714211449Jesus Christ, and we're still in 7.2
>>714222567>This entire process of people like yourself denying the importance of the story in FFXIV after the devastating player reactionThe devastating player reaction was toward the quality of the writing, not toward the lack of voice acting. Voice acting would have added nothing, it wouldn't have salvaged the player response to Dawntrail.
>you think the importance of the game is the jobs, the raids, the contentYeah it's a VIDEO GAME.
>but the importance of the game the only reason it became popular is the narrativeThe narrative does not come from voice acting. Voice acting is an extra thing tacked on to the narrative.
>>714222668Yes keep patronising the people who disliked Dawntrail I'm sure that'll work out well.
>>714222642No? It's awful, but it's not the worst part of Dawntrail. Not even close.
>>714222707>The devastating player reaction was toward the quality of the writing, not toward the lack of voice actingIt was both, so you can stop that lie right off the bat.
>Yeah it's a VIDEO GAMEDo you play other games? Most of them now have voice acting unless they're working on a shoe-string budget, but even very small projects are using AI voice acting because even they are aware of the importance it is.
>The narrative does not come from voice acting. Voice acting is an extra thing tacked on to the narrative.You're fighting with ghosts, not once did I say that, I said it enhances the experience of the narrative.
>>714222421Shouldn't they have addressed them?
>>714221865I can agree that certain scenes getting voice acting would be an improvement, but I think there's a noticable difference between calling for that and calling for every quest and all dialogue to be voiced.
I think the other issue is that funding for one thing is going to come form something else. So money spent to get more voice work would mean less money going towards other aspects of the game, such as better job design, larger content teams, or Quality Assurance.
If only Sareel Ja's "death" was voice acted, people would have LOVED Dawntrail. That was the issue right there. Not the Blue's Clues tier story, not the rubber bullets, not Poochie, it was because that one scene didn't have voice acting.
>>714222840addressing any complaints = community is rioting apparently
>>714222840Yes, they should have. It's good they did. But you can't simultaneously say the community is not unhappy and also that they had to devote an entire half of the live letter to addressing the unhappiness. Unless you're this insane faggot I guess
>>714222887
>>714222673Well, we're not far off from 7.3. We're past the halfway point by a bit.
>>714222823>I said it enhances the experience of the narrative.It can also be a detriment to it and not just because of any perceived quality of the work. Say it with me now, "this is called preference".
>>714222951Yeah, but that just means they're listening and adjusting. And it's not like they bent over and take it. They changed what they felt deserved changing and dug their heels in on stuff they didn't agree with changing (demiatma drop rate).
There being room for improvement for a feature doesn't mean it's despised and binned.
>>714205110Chance of lowercase troon appearing is 100%
>>714221424>shitty voice acting actively dragging the game down>the answer is more shitty voice acting
>>714223068Well yeah, I agree with all that. My point was that the reason the community is unhappy has nothing to do with voice acting. If you look around at the playerbase right now and ask what's wrong they'll either talk about lack of casual content, or Forked Tower being fucked, or Cosmic Exploration being boring, or jobs being boring. None of them is going to mention voice acting because it's not actually important.
>>714223075do you have a list of typing styles and tells that you want to share with us?
>>714223098>Shitty voice acting dragged it down when the previous expansion had amazing voice acting that raised it upIf only there was a readily available solution, tried and tested method for this. Hmmm what could it be? Couldn't be to stick with the Brit VAs? Or change a U.S. union VA studio. I wonder what happened here huh?
>>714222867knew I'd seen this somewhere attached to bitching about dawntrail, lo and behold an IP wipe and ranting about the Homestuck tulpa https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/697882801/#q697892361
>>714223169Oh, sorry. I thought this was some kinda argument that "they addressed issues with content therefore 7.2 is a flop" or some shit.
I don't really know what they can do with CE to be honest. It's basically Ishgard Restoration (but less of a hassle in some ways, and more in other ways). And some of the pain points there were, they're fixing in 7.3.
>>714222858I agree with you on that having all side quests voice acted is acting too much, but at the very least all of the MSQ should be VA'd. If they can't do that then what the fuck are they doing with all that money the game makes?
>>714205015 (OP)>>714205110The criticism is that Yoshida has stated multiple times that another person at SE is in charge of the shop. He cant tell them to not add things regardless of PR. In terms of the cost situation, the company just isn't giving him the profits to work with. He cant just make the entire executive team give all the funding to his singular game even if it is a driver.
>>714223191Am a bong, it's not even because Bongs. Just stick to theatre actors. They can actually act.
>>714223201>cry about getting archived>check the archives yourselfAnyway yeah, what's your point?
>>714222975Nigga, there's still the whole of JULY and probably the first week of august, I can't stand the reclears and I don't want to do OC
I'm probably not renewing until 7.5 to check if I still have some love for the game to lay 8.0
>>714223315Yeah thespians are the best suited for the job. Richard Keeble does an amazing job as Grimaldus in Helsreach for example. He is basically the voice of the Black Library as he's done a bunch of the Horus Heresy books but for me his take on Grimaldus will always be peak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D4jr-0_COg
>>714223357It's probably August 5th. Point being, we're at the ass end of 7.2 and past 7.25, so that's over halfway.
>>714223474Fuck I meant Jonathan Keeble, I was thinking for a moment about Richard Keeble as he's the VA for Monoco in Exp 33.
>>714223494>so that's over halfwayOh you poor deluded child.
>>714223250The only real thing to do for CE is to make future relic grinds last longer, since everyone vanished after the first week or two once they finished all of theirs.
>>714223334Lalafell BBC skinwalker, ban evader and avid /vg/ hater? Projecting? Don't be silly
>>714223549Okay, fine, I forgot about x.55.
>>714223494Yeah, but I think you're missing the point that the patches have only been getting longer and we're not getting the same ammount of content. We could be on the 2nd part of the FF11 AR, discussing the new MSQ or the 8.0 teaser
>>714223552>make future relic grinds last longer, since everyone vanished after the first week or two once they finished all of theirs.People already bitched about not getting their relic day 2 and that it took too long.
I wanna choke some niggas out.
>>714223546No, I specified theatre for a reason. You get variety instead of being exposed to the same voices.
You actually have a depth of talent to choose from. People with different voice textures and different ranges that can allow each character to be unique.
Voice work should be a side job for all of them.
God knows they need it with how shit the theatre circuit pay is
>>714223754And the extended gap pre-expac
>>714211449>expac's been out a full year >only two patchesthey gave up didn't they
>>714224174Of course, but I was looking at it from a halfway point between x.0 and the end of the expansion kinda thing. So I didn't really take the gap between 7.55 and 8.0 into account.
>>714211449Go back to WoW.
>>714224179Really starting to feel like they gave up on most of the game, so why not the rest?
>>714224090I'm not arguing against you Anon, I agree with you that the Brit VAs they chose should be thespians (theatre actors). I don't know if she still does but I know Gemma Lawrence the VA for Krile was working for the Royal Shakespeare company, the VA for Alisaie did theatre and now is a teacher, VA for Alphie is theatre trained and does a bunch of acting, we all know who the VA for Graha is now, and the same with the rest of the Scions and most of the Brit VAs on FFXIV have a similar background.
I listened to a story where the VA for Alphie was on stage and he met backstage for the first time in 8 years the VA for Yshtola, she said she recognised his voice from the booth sessions and waited to meet him which was cute, I'm butchering the story here but it was cute when he told it.
>>714223745>Lalafell BBC skinwalker,What do you mean Skinwalker? It's a pretty well-documented fact that both Vizex and Cocoli are obsessed with BBC of the male Roegadyn variety.
>>714223287>The criticism is that Yoshida has stated multiple times that another person at SE is in charge of the shop. He cant tell them to not add things regardless of PR. In terms of the cost situation, the company just isn't giving him the profits to work with. He cant just make the entire executive team give all the funding to his singular game even if it is a driver.
So what will the next relic step in 7.3 be?
>>714224735good boy tokens you can find in the new deep dungeon, level 100 dungeons and sandoria
>>714223287>fourteenies actually truly genuinely believe this
>>714224679>>714224836bro at least make it a little subtle
>>714224179Anon the story finished in endwalker, they told you they were dumping it, why else would yoshi p go and work on other shit instead of fixing the game? They continue to gut jobs when job identity only exists in pvp and complexity is in the gutter.
>>714224679>>714224836If you dont believe the words of the director and arent willing to change your opinion then the thread is pointless complaining, disguised as a discussion.
>if you don't take everything I say as incontrovertible fact this isn't a discussion
r/ffxiv isn't sending their best
>>714224812Deep dungeon would honestly be a good incentive, but if it drops from something easier like a regular dungeon, most people probably won't do it.
>>714224836No one believes it, but it's repeated because it was something Yoshida said once in a fanfest jokingly.
>>714217585I don't follow any of that shit. Get out of your false narratives
>>714225152well, they've been following the 'have multiple paths' thing since shadowbringers so their will be many many sources. they'll probably toss them into OC too
>>714224550You immediately gushed about prominent voices.
That penetration mostly disqualifies them as far as I'm concerned. Unless they have the range to make each voice unique without falling back on accents.
If I can instantly recognise it and place it in other works and characters, you fucked up.
>>714205251CHICKEN JOCKEY
>>714217764Soul for starters, seething tranny
>>714217783Uh ya
>>714225235Yeah, but it's probably gonna be a path of least resistance thing again.
>>714205702Isn't final fantasy tech crazy fr fr ong? Flying cars and cyber cities. Why is this aids ridden homofag in a rotted out wheelchair? Where's his mechsuit?
>>714218170Yea, but you're missing the cute part
>>714225264Ok so that other Anon was discussing in good faith but you clearly are not. Enjoy your evening lad, but you're getting filtered now.
>>714225282You've done 180?
Now do 240!
I fucking dare them. It would be hilarious.
>>714218489The colours are what make it
>>714224970Nowhere does 4chan state a thread has to be a debate. You can make a thread to make fun of a game.
>>714225409Enjoy your ever shrinking talent pool then.
I forget.
When do we actually get new relic models again? I don't really like the model for my main job's relic at the moment.
>>714218676What a horrible pose to show off this cosplay
>>714225406She's cute to me, not fat, slightly chubby with nice boobies, blonde hair with a nice braided pony tail, and shy face. Would.
i shat myself. it's hot and i had too many soda pops. this is not a drill
>>714219941Fuck up tranny
>>714222342Go fuck yourself tranny. You are in the minority here.
erenville really had a horrible time in dawntrail didn't he
I take it now isn't a good time to resub to the game, even if I've been fiending for it? I know it's shit, and I know I'm not gonna like it, but I really miss playing FFXIV... I want to see what they did to black mage for myself.
>>714226154it's fine lol
i would personally wait until 7.3, but nothing wrong with resubbing now. 7.2 was a good patch
>>714226154If you feel like grinding subjobs in the new Bozja, go for it.
>>714226154tome event next week. at least wait till then
>>714226070It could be worse for him.
He could have to read these threads
>>714226154>I want to see what they did to black mage for myself.Prepare to be both surprised and not surprised, the change list boils down to
>fire/blizzard timer removed this matters way less than you'd actually think it would>procs (Thunder and Firestarter) no longer fall off, ever>cast times increased to 2 seconds base, similarly to healer spellsBlack Mage now is just faster, basically. I'm still more asshurt about Thunder and Sharpcast getting deleted than I am the most recent changes.
>>714226281i'm fairly certain he'd be the one shitposting about wuk lamat
>>714219294Compare the amount of dialogue in BG3 to the amount of text in PST, and that will tell you all you need to know about why voice acting is bad for an RPG.
>>714226154>I want to see what they did to black mage for myself.No, you don't. You really really don't.
This game will never be popular again.
Even if tomorrow it jumps through 500 hoops and gives everyone everything it wanted.
The community is just too addicted to drama.
>he's so butthurt about getting tracked he's incorporated steve into his shitposting
damn, he really got you huh OP
>>714226319alright fine I resubbed
but if this sucks I'm going to blame you, anon
>>714211738retvrn to backlog
>>714227223Get ready to disco, lad.
>>714223258>what the fuck are they doing with all that money the game makes?Best assumption we have is that it gets siphoned into Squeenix to put into other games. No idea how true that is though.
>>714215607>>714215681Both of you are massively retarded. I didn't watch a single youtube video to come to the conclusion the story is shit and the entire expansion is half-baked. Your favorite game is in a rut and trying to blame some nefarious group for all of its problems is delusion.
>>714223191The solution is to delete all baka gaijin dubs but we'll see how fast your retard ass changes its tune about the importance of voice acting when you still have to read subtitles.
>>714223185There he is lmao
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