Which way, gamer man?

>using an out of date operating system that no longer receives security updates
Does /v/ really...?

>>714207617 (OP)
i've always been a brainlet when it comes to OS so i genuinely have no idea what the functional difference is supposed to be

>>714207617 (OP)
These cunts told me my laptop couldn’t run Windows 11 when it first came out because it didn’t have a TPM 2.0 (why would a personal device even have one?).
Now they’re desperate for me to upgrade that same laptop and give me the upgrade prompt every few days or so.

https://strawpoll.com/LVyK25LNOZ0

>>714207617 (OP)
I never upgraded.

>>714207617 (OP)
10 LTSC
I'd still be on 7 but I need Adobe for work

>>714207617 (OP)
if i was forced at gunpoint to choose between these two, i'd choose 10. but i'm sticking with 7 until it's physically impossible, then switching to linux

>>714207617 (OP)
I'm going to linux. Fuck Microsoft.

>>714207617 (OP)
Whats so bad about windows 11?

>>714207617 (OP)
10 LTSC IoT 2021 until 2032. Linux after.

There is literally no reason to use 10 over 11.

>>714208696
>i'm sticking with 7 until it's physically impossible
It basically already is.
Using Windows 7 in 2025 is like rawdogging someone with aids and hoping you don’t catch it.

>>714207617 (OP)
neither

>>714209103
>no anon you don't get it just use heckin common sense and don't run obviousvirus.exe and you are completely immune to being compromised on an exploitable unpatched system
This is what 7tards believe.

I just have a regular Pro install. Not sure if I'm bothering to somehow make it IoT LTSC etc..
While I did specifically have my gaymen PC be separate from my srsbsns Linux laptop, I'm not sure I would subject it to W11, especially considering all the piracy etc. I get up to. So I might go with Linux when the time comes and just hope it's fine enough by then.

>>714209103
works on my machine :^)

>>714209014
It's just Windows 10 but shittier

>>714210783
No, Windows 10 is the shittier version of 11.

>>714209014
Every version of Windows after XP was worse than the last, I'm not getting tricked again.

>>714211031
You have stockholm syndrome. Get help.

>>714209751
LTSC is a meme system for things that don't need updates, like cash registers, which miss on latest features until 1 or 2 years later, when they release a new update.
I remember LTSC schizos complaining about games not working on 10 LTSC due to lack of DXR or Direct Storage or whatever, back when these were new

I only use my PC to jerk off and play games, why should I care about the OS?

>>714213775
Kek

>troonix stealth thread

Fat butt sexy
https://dectalk.nu/Miscellaneous/Microsoft_SAM_sings_about_Windows_XP.mp3

>>714211570
works on my machine

normies ruin everything

Debloated Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC

How does Windows just keep getting worse?

>>714216048
You still get the shit right-click popup menu and
the OS is still incredibly heavy and RAM-hungry for literally NO reason

>>714207617 (OP)
11 is more spyware than it is OS.

10 is barely tolerable once you block all the telemetry and debloat it.

7 was the last great OS.

>>714216379
>You still get the shit right-click popup menu
Debloating fixes that, its actually a pretty simple registry edit
>the OS is still incredibly heavy and RAM-hungry for literally NO reason
Sounds like you're just poor and can't afford decent computer parts

Ditched windows 4 months ago, thanks to Valve + Proton every game I tried playing so far just werks.

>>714216157
>dmenu needs to be a daemon

>>714207617 (OP)
arch

>>714216512
I have a nice computer but you're missing the point retard. You shouldn't need heavy hardware just to run the basic functions of the OS properly. It's not like it does anything more than it used to, but now the hardware requirements have skyrocketed. For what? So it can show me advertisements in the start menu and sometimes pop up advertisements as "notifications"

>>714207617 (OP)
Still need Microsoft Teams for my job, so Windows 10. I assume its like that for most non NEETs

>>714208129
Same. My daily driver has a 1080ti and runs great in ultrawide.

My TV/AIPC is win 11, but for browsing and games it doesn't matter (except for incompatible games).

When they dump the jeets and get real devs to make 7 II, I'll consider it lol not really because subscription is the future

They told me my system isn't compatible with 11. So unless they want to buy me a better PC I'll stay on 10.

>>714207617 (OP)
I get hating on Windows 8 onwards but why 11 specifically? Its the fucking same as W10. You can disable all the telemetry bullshit same as 10.

>>714216693
Never seen any advertisements on my machine

I'm calling their bluff. I will refuse to upgrade AND they will keep updating windows 10. If they don't I will get my computer compromised and cause all kinds of problems for everyone by being part of a botnet.
Lets face it I won.

>>714216693
Heavy hardware like an ssd?

>>714216906
>Its the fucking same as W10
It's the next step of the bullshit in 10. More of it

>You can disable all the telemetry bullshit same as 10
lmao if you think pressing a button in the settings actually does anything. Windows treats your computer like it's theirs and you're just borrowing it.

>>714217034
I have. Literally yesterday a notification popped up on my desktop advertising the deluxe edition of Avowed. I've turned all this shit off many times but Windows just turns it back on whenever it wants, same with all of the settings

>>714217095
a computer like this ( >>714216157
) shouldn't lag when opening the start menu or when right clicking on a file in a folder. It also shouldn't lag when opening up the fucking image viewer.

Windows just keeps getting shittier and shittier for no apparent reason.

>>714216906
Win 11 is shitloads heavier on your system

>>714217237
You're a dumb nigger. Start spam opening dmenu and look at your cpu.

Everything that made Apple computers shitty (treating the user like a retard, limiting basic functionality, not allowing you to control your machine) is being doubled down on by Windows for some fucking reason. XP was the best system they ever made and it's been downhill since then.

The right way

>>714217351
No. Suck my dick, fanboy faggot. I still prefer Windows over the alternatives but that doesn't mean I'm gonna pretend it's perfect, you stupid bitch. There are major problems and they're getting worse.

>>714214962
I'd trust mentally ill open source devs over Microsoft.
At least I know they are autistic enough to try and make it better

>>714216157
bill gates left microsoft and that means he isn't there to tardwrangle the assholes and idiots that are making it worse

>>714217494
A run program is not supposed to be a daemon running in the background 24/7 dipshit. When I spam dmenu it goes from 1% idle to 10%. You're fucking retarded.

>>714207954
I haven't taken a windows update in the 31 years since I got my first computer. I also have never gotten a virus except when I deserved it as a teenager downloading fake diablo 2 mods. Why do you need security updates? just monitor your packetflow using wireshark and programs like peerblock during the day, and disconnect your internet at night before going to bed, you should do that anyway. even that is overkill now honestly, browsers are retardproof with all the antivirus shit they come with standard now, kids nowadays would be eaten alive on the 00s internet.

>>714207617 (OP)
im on w11, no problem

Remember that Microsoft ruined Starfield and Todd will have his revenge.

>>714217689
hmm but somehow XP didn't have this problem on 30 year old hardware

>>714217586
Yeah bro no statically linked binaries after three decades is called trying.
>muh oasis
Doesn't count.

>>714207617 (OP)
enjoy your viruses next year if you stay on 10

>>714217726
xp didn't spike your cpu when you spam opened a program? You seem delusional.

I already did.

>>714217857
You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Further, you sound brown.

>>714217965
You seem like you're projecting because xp was a piece of trash full of malware, and snappy like 98.

>>714218071
>and not snappy like 98.
fixed that for myself

>>714218071
if there was malware on XP it's because you downloaded it, wtf are you talking about

>>714216559
>Built brand new PC last summer specifically to try out linux and not fuck with my current PC
>Had a shitload of free time to tinker with it
>Expect to be spending at least a month getting shit working and set up
>mfw the hardest part about the whole ordeal was making a bootable USB drive to install it
>It went by so fast it felt like I messed something up
>Nope, it's just done.
>Alright lets see how Steam work-
>Its installed, Steam auto-downloads all the proton shit for me
>Okay, surely this Lutris thing is going to be the hard p-
>Nope, game's all set up
It's been a year and a couple weeks now and I think i'm fully cured from Microshaft. Now if only someone could free us from Google.

>>714218290
Someone didn't use xp when desktops were the main targets of malware, you can thank your jeetdroid for it not being the case since '10s anymore.

>>714218437
Just stop, faggot. Windows isn't going to suck your dick. Be rational.

>>714218537
I am ration, you're a retard that doesn't understand that a program like dmenu will spike your cpu if you spam it because it ain't a demon running in the background 24/7.

>>714218356
I had pretty much exactly this experience, it felt so easy and seamless to get games up and running, except sadly all my games ran horribly badly under any drivers and under any proton version, any tweaking. Like 2-5 fps, when I'm expecting to hit the full 120 without sweating, given my hardware. Had to crawl back to Win11. Still not sure what went wrong other than just.. it ran like shit on Linux, which bummed me out.

I'm waiting for Windows 12. Clearly 11 is just weird middle child between like Vista and 8 were. 12 is going to be fucking amazing!

>>714219098
Probably some kind of nvidia driver issue, that's the most common issue I hear about and I sidestepped that by buying AMD specifically because I heard its better supported.

>>714213775
Can't wait until someone like MattKC makes Windows 95 compatible with modern software and firmware. Imagine running Elden Ring on it.

>>714214962
>The american companies that aren't doing pride month beacuse of drumpf that will do it again when a democrat president wins are le based
Amazing point you made there, chudcel

>>714217772
Don't know what you're talking about, and I don't think you do, either.

What's a good lightweight linux distro and desktop environment for a computer with an old hard drive (no SSD?)

So far I have tried Gentoo with LXDE. Pretty comfy not going to lie but just wondering what else is good

>>714219445
>we weren't virtue signaling, we're actual fags
epic troonix bunkertranny

>>714207954
Third worlders running piracy can't update because their whole system falls apart like a house of cards. Thirdies likely buying used graphic cards from Chinese resellers don't even have real graphic cards, just BIOS flashed ones that crash. Windows 11 cannot run on third worlders PC which haven't been updated (CPU/motherboard) in the last 8 years.

>>714218356
>Now if only someone could free us from Google.
Apple can

>>714217090
Why does AI slop have a piss filter lately?

>>714219709
>>714218356
I don't use a single gewgle service, minus the occasional youtube video I listen to while working. I don't understand how people get locked into ecosystems like that in the first place.

>>714207617 (OP)
They're basically the same once to make a few reg edits.

>>714219815
once you*

>>714219267
My previous card was an AMD RX 580 on a win10 computer, and I fucking hated that thing so much I swore I would get nvidia next time.
>A GPU driver timeout has been detected on your system!
like 20 times a day. It was not possible to play online games without risking punishments for "quitting" matches due to the frequency of the crashes. The 2060 might not have worked for Linux but at least it's working great on win11 so far.

>>>714219445(You)
>>we weren't virtue signaling, we're actual fags
>epic troonix b- AAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

>>714219709
Somehow a worse option.

>>714219712
"ghibli style" became popular for some reason

>>714219883
calm down xir

>>714219903
>for some reason
Normalfags think it's vaguely "artsy" so they pretend to love it more than they actually love it, in order to appear "artsy" to other normalfags.

>>714219903
it's better DOE

>>714217289
Windows basically has the processing equivalent of parkinson's law.

>>714219815
You don't even need to reg edit anything other than to revert the right click menu.

>>714220003
No arrow therefore you look like this and say that

>>714217289
That is completely false by all metrics.

>>714220130
that's your board owner, xir

>>714207975
The new one has rounded corners and looks retarded. It also has an AI that monitors everything you do to curate what you see on the internet and to predict what you will do in the future for advertising agencies. If you click on a bocchi thread then suddenly start seeing bocchi the rock stuff on every store around your area, it's because of the AI, even if 4chan doesn't track your data. It also classifies your class and IQ as a being based on your cursor gait and what you do to determine what jobs you can find in the future or whether you'll get a raise or not.

>>714218356
>Now if only someone could free us from Google
Every service apart from youtube is easily replaceable kek

>>714220272
You can change/uninstall all of that.

pic related on one ssd and linux mint on another
mint for every day tasks and most games
win10 iot ltsc for the 5% of games that dont work well on proton

>durr no features
dont care
>le mall kiosk os
cry more

i am also still running a 1070ti :^)

>>714220272
Imagine caring about any of this stuff when you still use windows. You already have zero privacy no matter how many shitty youtube tutorials you followed to try and "de-bloat" it

>>714207617 (OP)
Honestly when windows 10 support gets pulled I'm switching to Bazzite

Upgraded to Windows 11. Everything just works. It's basically the same as Windows 10 and everything they changed that I don't like enough to warrant taking action, it's easy enough to just switch it back via changing a setting or a shell script.

I run Linux on my Laptop getting up in the years too; Fedora Silverblue, with Flatpaks. God, I love simplicity. Computing is only good when a multi-billion dollar company is spearheading development.

>>714220669
>Bazzite
He doesn't know

>>714218356
>free from google
literally any email client
bitchute/odysee/vimeo/one of the YouTube pipes
DDG

>>714221902
>>714220282
Freeing myself isn't the same as freeing the retards who will continue to ensure they remain on top.

>>714221959
then how does you switching to Linux free people from Microsoft? You were talking about yourself, not society at large.

I'm more concerned with Steam's total monopoly on PC gaming.

>>714221296
>Computing is only good when a multi-billion dollar company is spearheading development.
People will cope and seethe but it's true

>>714207954
There's still plenty of time until October.

>>714222170
>then how does you switching to Linux free people from Microsoft?
Don't worry, Microsoft is fixing that problem for me.

>>714219712
You're not very clever huh. You could tell it to put a shit filter on there and it would. Why do people always want to loudly express their opinions on things they know absolutely nothing about? Just trying to fit in with the crowd?

>>714222294
I can say the same about Google, then. Google's been losing market share for at least five years now.

>>714207617 (OP)
I ended up switching to Kubuntu and then over to Xubuntu because it feels like the more polished UI. genuinely like using XP again for the first time.

>>714220010
Normalfags hate and fear AI images. They bitch loudly about AI sloppa (yeah that's what they say lol) whenever they think they see it

>>714221296
>Everything just works. It's basically the same as Windows 10 and everything
That's been my experience as well, but I don't use windows as my main OS. I only use it when creating windows builds of software that I ship, and for debugging said software because Windows has just enough quirks compared to *nix related OSs that I can reliably expect there to be some compatibility issues that need fixed.

Anyways everything is fast and snappy, but my workflow is essentially Windows Terminal + Powershell + clang/make installed via chocoloatey, and a text editor. I don't use those big buggy/laggy IDEs, which I imagine is where I would start to encounter problems.

I need to reinstall windows with a fresh Drive wipe. Should I just reinstall with 11 instead of 10? I heard it's better now.

>>714219546
Answer me mother fuckers I know you have good recs

>>714222735
>Xfce is more polished than KDE
Wtf when did this happen? My impression of the two has always been that KDE was the professional and fully featured desktop, whereas Xfce was the lightweight basic desktop.

I like 11 more than 10. Has little more soul at least. 10 is the most soulless one to date imo

>>714222857
10's going to stop being supported soon so you may as well just go with 11 since you're starting fresh anyways.

>>714218356
That's exactly how it went for me. With the bonus surprise that some games that choked hard on windows like koikatsu somehow ran flawlessly here even through Proton. Loading times, performance, everything just got a boost somehow. I have a mid to high end PC and figured some things couldn't be fixed regardless of hardware.

>>714207617 (OP)
neither. both suck
my hardware is upposed to run games, not be wasted on bloated OSes. case in point >>714216157
>>714217426
>3 gigs of ram idle
fucking grim

>>714207617 (OP)
they fucking took away my ability to change my desktop background on unregistered windows 10. this post is a death threat.

>>714223609
NTA but browsers eat a lot of RAM my guy. "Idle" refers to using lots of software at once so more of a GPU/CPU term.

>>714223609
A lot of that memory is being used by modern web browsers, an unfortunate sign of the times but not really a fault of the OS.

>>714223731
Anon. Just activate with a PowerShell command https://github.com/massgravel/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts

I tried Mint for 2 months last year, then Ubuntu for another month, and honestly they both sucked ass, I had issues with audio (apparently because of my motherboard), had to jerry-rig most of my games to work and I really missed some of the software that's exclusive to Windows. the only advantage was that I could make the system look cool with skins and icons and it felt very snappy, faster than windows

>>714223761
>>714223770
how would I know that he had a browser open. faggots these days don't even know how to take screenshots right

>>714224125
>how would I know he had a browser open as he showed a picture of this fucking thread in his screenshot
you're the perfect windows 11 customer

>>714224374
kek

>>714220282
Yeah, if only they didn't own Android, it's either that or iPhone and I really dislike iPhones overall.

>>714224125
Welp presumably the thread being shown in the background of his screenshot indicates that the browser is open lol...

But even if not, things needed to run the browser are loaded into memory when you first launch it, and stay in memory even if you close the browser, which is why programs seem to launch faster after you open them for the first time, until you reboot the computer.

>>714223970
Anon you tried Ubuntu and then Ubuntu again.

>>714222997
puppy Linux

>>714221902
>literally any email client
I know about Protonmail, but what other e-mail providers are recommended? I still have gmail as my private e-mail but I want to ditch it for something that doesn't ask my DNA to create an account.

>>714223970
>and I really missed some of the software that's exclusive to Windows
Yeah I used to be this way. After I quit being a little bitch then I went and found good alternatives and got used to the way they did things differently.

Only things I couldn't find good substitutes for were FL Studio and SQL Server Management Studio.

>>714224946
I use mailo

>>714224924
Ah it looks like something from 1998. My computer isn't that old D:

>>714207617 (OP)
Will install win 10 later this week
Nothing tempting about win 11

Wonder if Microsoft bought all these game studios so they can forcefully make a ton of new games use features that requires win 11, whatever those features will be, and deny the companies from making the games work in a lesser form on win 10. Forcing gamers to switch.

>>714209014
Windows 10 lets me use my logitech peripherals

>>714225346
Lol I keep forgetting that wireless peripherals that require you to install special drivers are the norm. Every time I get a new computer, the first thing I do is go and buy a wired mouse and keyboard. Just works

>>714225337
That's sounds exactly like something they do. The joys of having shitloads of money, if you're clever you can basically force people to give you more.

>>714224825
You might as well take this argument to its logical conclusion and say he installed Debian twice.
Oh and Bazzite is completely identical to baseline Fedora, and CachyOS is literally just Arch btw.

>>714224125
Got me to giggle, thanks retardanon.

>>714225337
>Nothing tempting about win 11
Yeah you know except for it being the one that's going to keep getting security updates and all modern software targeting it instead of 10 from now on

>>714207617 (OP)
Mint, I guess

>>714225337
>and deny the companies from making the games work in a lesser form on win 10. Forcing gamers to switch.
I fucking hope not. I make games and I don't even have a device capable of running W11. Only W10.

>>714225531
Ye, some people here would tell you to just aim for the original.

>>714225592
And the price of that is more bullshit, basic features getting worse, the OS requiring more resources and spying more, having less control over your own computer, and another step towards owning nothing and renting everything. They already treat your computer like it's theirs anyway and do whatever they want on it. Change settings, force updates, add or delete shit at their leisure, whatever.

But you don't care because it's easy and you're a bitch.

>>714208810
>>714210953
Linux is infested by trans rust devs that are pushing out the old and actually talented C devs that made the OS what it is. Just this year they tried to drop 32bit support which would make a lot of games not work. Also a super stable command like sudo was rewritten in rust for no reason.
I'm skeptical about Linux's future. Especially when the company behind the open source makes billions. Something fishy.

>>714224125
3 gbs for 40 tabs of gay porn isn't that bad all things considered

>>714225867
>anon learns the Venn Diagram of freeware supporters, autistics, leftists, and sexual deviants is a single circle

>>714225592
Bro windows defender will keep getting updates on win 10 and if an actual security vulnerability was discovered on win 10 Microsoft will patch it. They did that for Windows xp after support ended. Microsoft dont want botnets on all the old computers just like governments dont.

Win 10 won't get feature updates but tell me anything you've even noticed from a windows update in the last 5 years.

>>714225976
You mean anon teaches other anons. The state of Linux is bad now, right around the time when gaming is getting viable. A little suspicious almost.

>>714225976
>good boys eat corporate shit and never complain
You're a dumb nigger

>>714226085
>Win 10 won't get feature updates but tell me anything you've even noticed from a windows update in the last 5 years
The only ones I've noticed were the ones that forced themself onto my computer and started doing shit I didn't want without asking.

>>714226293
why preach to the retarded, the writing was on the screen literally that w11 was going to be the most pozzed and jeeted piece of shit yet by several magnitudes.
you can just laugh at them later

still not using linux lmao

>>714226293
case in point. it always boils down to radleft politics. normal people don't give a fuck who made the product as long as it works. The more ideologically driven you are, the more ideological you are. seems pretty fucking obvious when I spell it out, don't it?

>>714226363
Same. The reason windows 7 was so great was because you didn’t notice you were running windows 7. Because it stayed out of your way. Modern windows is way too intrusive and annoying such that you’re constantly reminded that you’re running windows.

>>714226448
What the fuck are you talking about? It doesn't just work, that's the whole problem. It does what it wants to do, not what you want it to do, and it treats your computer like it belongs to Microsoft. Leftism has nothing at all to do with it you commie cocksucker

>>714226214
Linus Torvalds is an open socialist. all the Unix freeware guys of the 80s and 90s had an ideological hatred for anybody making money on tech. it's always been like this. the difference is 20-30 years ago the cultural zeitgeist was that lib-leftism was the ideology of the cool counterculture kids, which defined early internet culture. the e-right didn't exist until the 2010s.

>>714207617 (OP)
I moved to linux, but 50% because i use an AMD IGPU, and these fucking suck on Windows.

>>714207954
im not even folowing date

>>714226589
I don't give a fuck about the politics. I want my computer to just do what I say and that's it, like >>714226462 describes. Win10 is always doing bullshit and Win11 will do more

>>714226538
Winblows sucks, Linux sucks more. This is the part where you say "it doesn't matter, fuck KKKorporashuns". thereby proving my point. you aren't right wing.

Linux is the future, unfortunately.
Not because it's exceptional in any way but because all the other contenders are speedrunning shitting the bed.

I'm still on Windows 8.1. You know it's bad when there's like a permanent thread on the steam discussion forums for Windows 7 users.
>https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/4349988612573450321/

>>714226671
you absolutely deserve to get fucked in the ass and own nothing. And you're gonna cheer for it as long as they call it the right words, because you're retarded

it's not about politics you stupid fuck. it's about owning your own goddamn computer

>>714207617 (OP)
As soon as windows 10 gets retired, I am swapping to linux.
I am already slowly swapping my usual shit over to linux compatible software.
Fuck windows. Fuck microsoft.

>>714226730
>linux is the future
Kinda, microsoft fumbled w11 so bad that they are running normalfags off of pc entirely and onto smartphones for the most part.
https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/windows-seemingly-lost-400-million-users-in-the-past-three-years-official-microsoft-statements-show-hints-of-a-shrinking-user-base

So if anything smartphones are the future, and there may be even less PCs in use than ever as time goes on.

>>714208129
Same, don't want or need to game on PC. 7 just werks.

>>714217351
Ok. I did. For me it was GPU. Spamming the windows key used up 10% of my 3060TI. Nothing else, just spamming the windows key.

W11 is so fucking bad even normalfags are shitting on it.
I've since switched to Linux bare metal, with a passthrough windows 10 VM if a game i really want to play just does not want to run under proton. Literally one button press and I'm booted into my gaming windows vm that has less than 1% less than native performance metrics on all benchmarks and games i played on it. Microjeets can go suck my nuts.

>>714226823
>doesn't read anything I wrote, just projects his impotent rage
I operate on a higher level than you. ask yourself what 'owning your computer' means. ask yourself how Windows meaningfully differs from Linux.

Windows 11 since I actually play videogames and my hardware is new while 10fags are just coping with having old PCs

>>714209357
based
>updates in <10 seconds
>and only when you tell it to
winniggers fucking wish

>>714227079
nah you're fucking with me. nice work, fucker

>>714226363
>The only ones I've noticed were the ones that forced themself onto my computer and started doing shit I didn't want without asking.
Never happens to me on 11.
>>714226538
>It does what it wants to do, not what you want it to do
Nope, not on my machine.
>>714227157
>and only when you tell it to
Just like Windows 11.

>I'll switch to Loonix!!!
Yeah, enjoy having to tinker your PC because of your shitty OS that can't play games properly
Game is Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney Trilogy,
I just bought it, imagine if I clicked play and everything started flickering, shit Limux

>>714226848
Smart phones are not and never will be the future.
PCs still have utility as industry processing power back-ends (which predominantly and increasingly run on linux servers), office work GUIs, in addition to PC gaming which itself is slowly subsuming and eroding the console/handheld/phone gaming market.

At most we will see a merging of the OS into one, which we're already seeing with Harmony OS in China (laptops, phones and computers will soon all use it, will just need steamOS integration for gaming).
In the west, the merger will definitely be some form of linux (android is already linux, steamOS is linux). I don't foresee a future for Windows nor Mac really.

>>714227551
gets the job done for everything a normalfag wants to do right now outside of play a new pc game
and im not sure they even give that much of a shit about that right now

>>714207617 (OP)
11
It just werks
>inb4 muh ads and AI
Don't be a retard and install Enterprise or LTSC.

>>714227534
if you don't have enough braincells for basic troubleshooting you should switch to a macbook instead :)

>>714207617 (OP)
11 LTSC

I play everything in HDR. OS runs perfectly.

>>714227739
>gets the job done for everything a normalfag wants
Not even close for anyone without a fake job.
Normalfags make up a small superfluous part of the workforce.
For anything important like heavy industry, big tech (upon whose servers the normalfag services run), finance, etc you need robust data networks and servers, most of which run on linux machines.
Phones don't even have a ethernet port. Anything that doesn't have a dedicated ethernet port cannot be used for real work.

>>714227238
That's because you don't know any better. You've been swimming in shit since you were born.

>>714207617 (OP)
Linux mint or stay on windows 10
>But no security updates
So? What are they going to do? Uninstall windows defender? I can install another anti virus. Web browsers will still be updated with security updates. Nothing will happen.

>>714207617 (OP)
>prompt says upgrade to 11
>click it
>says my system specs won't let me
>don't upgrade
It's like they don't want me to use 11.

>>714227976
>>714228165
>this special version of WIndows definitely doesn't do anything of the bad stuff, guys!
you faggots have been repeating this line for a decade and it's never been true.

>>714227534
>Paying for Ace attourney collection instead of emulating the clearly superior original games
Kek no wonder you got filtered by linux

>>714228338
Its always been true. Using an enterprise edition of 11 makes it literally the same as 10 except a straight upgrade. The people sticking to 10 got filtered because they're too stupid to not use a consumer edition.

>>714226848
Well, you can’t do any real work on a phone. I mean you kinda can but the form factor is terrible and it’s painfully uncomfortable. So the people who are “switching over to smartphones” are probably kids who were formerly only using the computer to get on social media sites.

>>714228282
>doesn't even know what security updates are or how they work
Average 7/10 holdout.

>>714227157
Don’t forget:
>can actually use your computer while it’s updating
Windows users have no idea that’s even possible. No “Installing Updates…” screen required.

>>714207617 (OP)
Im using Fedora KDE

>>714228338
Faggots like you who think using linux will save you from telemetry and shit are fucking delusional. You think because you use duckduckgo and a tor browser occasionally you're safe? You're are being tracked from the ISP itself and there is absolutely nothing you can't do about it. Fuck, you're on 4chan right now, good luck with that anonymity kid.

>>714207617 (OP)
CachyOS

>>714228531
yeah what real work is this?
cause there is more and more tooling for android each year

Linux faggots be like
>WINDOWS WINDOWS WINDOWS USERS WINDOWS WINDOWS MICROSOFT WINDOWS WINDOWS Linux WINDOWS USERS WINDOWS WINDOWS

>>714207617 (OP)
Linux. Messed around with it before in preparation, now the time to commit is coming as Valve saves gaming and makes Linux less shit. Already got friends that have been running Linux for years and they have no problems with it. Fuck Microkike and their bullshit bloatware. Also I find it suspicious how poojeets are filling the ranks of tech giants like jewgle and microshit and running them into the ground, seemingly deliberately.

>>714224574
grapheneOS

>>714216157
Running the literal spyware on your computer takes a lot of resources, better buy a better rig if you wanna keep using it.

>>714207617 (OP)
I installed windows 11 then HEAVILY debloated it and it runs like a charm. It's pretty crazy just how much telemetry and Ai garbage you have to take out, but it works.

>>714228720
>cause there is more and more tooling for android each year
Yeah but I mean have you ever tried doing it all day? I don’t mean an android tablet I mean a phone. Tiny ass screen, probably difficult to mount at eye-level so you’re sitting with far worse posture and killing your back and eyes….

Just try programming, composing music, drawing, or editing documents all day on a phone. Bloody uncomfortable, unless you somehow got used to it in which case more power to you I guess. But the average smartphone user is probably not hooking up a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse to do all this stuff.

>>714226293
I trust jeetware more than I trust something that's undergoing hostile takeover by trannies

>>714207617 (OP)
Sorry, not trans so I don't use windows.

>windows users are the REAL trannies! *puts on programming socks*

Anon you can’t win an argument by simply accusing your opponent of being a tranny

Loonix users are not normal

>>714228685
>I'm already bleeding so why not cut myself some more?
I fuck you like a rat in the street

>>714207617 (OP)
I'll stick to 10 LTSC. The problem is right now I'm doing an intensive javascript course and it's very important to be fast coding and sifting through diferent files and but I'm forced to use 11 and because it's a school computer I'm not allowed to debloat it. Man if the fucking menus are slowing me down depending on what I have to do.

>>714229224
The entire bitcoin core network (which the USA is staking their currency reserve in) runs on linux.

Amazon servers that host AWS predominantly run on linux.

Netflix predominantly runs on FreeBSD (unix-like, linux and mac equivalent) but they also rely massively on AWS CDNs to deliver their content.

Google runs on linux.

Name any massive real-world application of computing power and chances are it runs on linux.
You are dumb.
Microsoft will be a distant memory long before linux goes anywhere.

>>714217709
>browsers are retardproof with all the antivirus shit they come with standard now
lol

>>714229158
Why are you quoting Microsoft?

Realistically will never leave because of league of legends. It's a very fun game.

>>714207954
>literal updooter
Updates are for server software, bub. If your program ships with bugs, it's shit.

>>714229543
Ah yes
Servers are people, I completely forgot

>>714207617 (OP)
I might never buy either for myself ever again. They've literally been corrupting my machines for a while now and they're made for Israelis.

>>714216906
The taskbar is literally bugged. Same with 10.
And it's nothing but telemetry to surveil you. It doesn't benefit you.

>going proprietary when Israelis outright murder goys and control intel
Madness.
Only GOOD Jews can use such things. That means, only the wealthiest Jews. Poor jews? You're shit out of luck too.

>>714207617 (OP)
I just use bazzite to game. I know it's a bit of a meme OS, but it's been pretty great so far. Debian on my main PC for everything else though.

>>714229543
Tech priests kneel before Linux and gather offerings for the machine.

>>714227534
>Nvidia
KEKAROO
Try proton-GE

>>714229869
Servers are more important than people. They're task force multipliers. The machines in the factories that automate the processing and packaging of your food and the assembly of your toys or hardware either run on custom rudimentary programming languages or linux. Your car's software probably runs significantly on linux.

This is like the Pepsi vs Coca Cola argument for people that don't know Pepsi belongs to a diversified parent company that is worth twice as much as Coca Cola, except here it's even more of an exaggerated difference.

>>714213775
>nu-shell
>kernel mode graphics drivers
disgusting
I'm sticking with Windows NT 3.1

>>714229224
Bro, it's really not that hard to install a more "user friendly" Linux os and just have it work. Bazzite and steamOS literally cater specifically to "I don't want to know anything about Linux" kind of gamers.

The heroic launcher and steam's proton system make installing and playing basically any Windows game as seamless as it can get, and emulator support for Linux is even better than windows.

>>714229224
my actual grandma got pissed off at Windows and installed Linux Mint without any help or advice from me and uses it just fine. I didn't find out until I visited and she proudly showed me and then started getting mad when talking about the shit Windows was doing on her computer.

Are you saying you're less tech literate than an elderly woman?

>>714231157
>my actual grandma
Based but I'm so fucking envious. Having tech retarded grandparents is a pain in the ass.

>>714230470
>KEKAROO
Don't try to be funny or cute, you butt hurt silly boy! :3

>want to switch to linux but boughted nvidia

>>714231649
Give it a try anyways, maybe it will work out and if it doesn't just switch back.

>>714228057
>want to play vidya to relax after work
>game is not on steam because I'm not a fag
>game is not on lutris
>have to spend a least an hour atoning for my sins of wanting digital entertainment on linux and troubleshooting how nvidia interacts with waland on my specific distro
we have to stop virtuasignaling with this "ehrm are you just stupid? lolol" Bad tools are bad tools. Linux is a bad tool for gaming if you're not a normalfag.

I've daily driven NixOS for years because it's been a great software development suite. But I've dual booted windows for all that time because vidya STILL sucks ass on it if you aren't just playing normalfag games on steam.

>>714207617 (OP)
7. Just like this post!

>>714232810
What game?

>>714233129
>>game is not on steam because I'm not a fag
>>game is not on lutris
Probably some obscure jap VN or gacha shite

>>714233746
Every VN I have tried worked fine using bottles or ProtonTricks

>>714233129
I have literally hundreds of games downloaded from f95zone but I'll give you a softball which isn't that obscure: Futaring. Go on faggot. Tell me the magical install wizard for it. I'm not a nocoder like the rest of you shills, I actually have experience with manually tardwrangling WINEPREFIXes and experimenting with winetricks verbs. If it's just corefonts it might just be 15 minutes. But then gamescope needs to be involved, I'm setting 6 million environment variables specifically to make my industry standard 4080 not chug along at 30 fps, and at that point I'm spending an hour when it takes literally ~1 minute to do it in window (extract the archive and click the .exe). Windows is the better game OS. If you're just playing minecraft and factorio who gives a shit you could probably run that on windows 7 if you wanted to.

Not even mentioning the fact that you're in a stranglehold grip by steam. I hope for your sake that there's a way to play games you pirate with Proton.

>>714234250
I have downloaded hundreds of games from F95 too.
Just use bottles or protontricks.

>>714234250
You typed out a lot to invalidate everything in your last sentence and expose you know shit all about what you're talking about.

>>714234250
>I hope for your sake that there's a way to play games you pirate with Proton.
Yeah you just add it to steam lol

>>714235135
Don't even need to do that.

>>714234250
Wow so hard, I spent longer censoring the image than the 2 clicks it took to play.

>being forced at gunpoint to guy a TPM 2.0 CPU and suck the 50 series dong when MRSP 5070 TI's still aren't on shelves 95% of the time

Linux until the supers come out and maybe I'll build one after the retard rush.

>>714207954
2032 is still far away

>>714234937
I WANT TO PLAY GAME. I DO NOT WANT TO USE SHITTY SOFTWARE TO CONFIGURE AN ENVIRONMENT TO PLAY GAME.
>>714235015
no, YOU don't understand. Steam has you by the balls, they decide how their software gets used.
>heh I just add the .exe to the game library
yeah they're a multibillion dollar company they're well aware, Same reason why ublock and yt-dlp hasn't been turbokilled. 99% of linux gaming is deck drones, 0.99% are on desktop linux using purchased games and the 0.01% are playing pirated games on desktop linux.
>>714235135
>>714235203
>>714235486
that's great, some games really do run with just a single wine invocation. But many don't. And I don't want to spin a roulette wheel every time I want to play a game. I want to run the game and I want it to work 10/10 times. That's why linux is great for development, you $ vim and shit just works instantly. Windows is like that but for vidya. I don't give a shit about anything else, I want a system that works best for my task.

>>714236252
>gets BTFO
>seethes
lmao you lost

>>714236252
cont: there is ONE savior that could actually save linux gayming that I am myself rooting for and that is https://github.com/Open-Wine-Components/umu-launcher but until that has a good database of games then this entire enterprise is a toy project.

Surely this year people will abandon Windows and join our cult^H^H^H^Hcommunity, right?

>>714236252
>>714236412
You do know proton is open source right? Like you can run it without steam right? Surely somebody who so confidently claimed it was impossible to play a game and is immediately exposed to be wrong knows what he is talking about right?

>>714236252
Ok man keep propping up windows getting worse every year because you don't want to spend 10 seconds looking at the proton version to run your shitty obscure game

>>714207954
>he doesn't know

>>714236547
>getting worse every year
Works on my machine.™

>>714236587
Works at getting worse?

>>714236646
No problems here. Maybe I'm not too dumb to use Windows.
>but what about all this shit no normal person cares about
>"don't care"
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714236795
>acknowledges in own post it's broken
Congrats?

>>714236443
Yeah genius, but they're steam they can do whatever the fuck they want even if it is open source currently. Proton is still in its infancy. And where does that leave you? You have to run some weird fork of wine in an unsupported way and then there's yet another workaround for that?

Fuck off you stupid nigger. Crawl back from under the neon gaming room reddit thread you came from.

>>714236985
Not that it's broken, but that you bitches whine about context menus (which can be edited with a registry script) and vertical taskbars, which no heterosexual cares about.

>>714236795
>Normies don't care about being spied on
>Windows spying on my... t-that's a good thing actually!

>>714237083
So you don't understand how it works and call other people stupid?
No wonder you're so mad, you couldn't even handle clicking an EXE to run your porn game.

>>714237115
I'm currently fighting windows because it refuses to open programs such as word an excel in favor of the shitty browser version despite the default being the program.

Windows users are the only people I know who keep clinging to outdated major OS releases because they know the next release is going to be bad. Why fanboy an OS with that kind of track record? I don’t get it.

>>714208946
Microsoft added new anti-pedophile sensors (aka telemetry). linux community is outraged.

>>714237146
>never actually looked at what the telemetry data is
>going to mention Recall, which doesn't exist on x86-64 and flopped on ARM, with no indication they care about the project anymore

>>714218356
cool, now install and run Clip Studio Paint in it

>>714237350
Windows is consistently shit and we all huddle together knowing the limitations of our shittiness but the fact we are all on roughly compatible OS to play our games on. Linux is a million types of shit with some corn kernels in it but none of which predictable between anything including graphics card drivers, desktop environments, repos, or a million other things. Windows is standardized shit and that makes us easy to service.

>>714237636
Love how /v/posters all transform into super serious workers who must exclusively use specific programs on their gaming PC for work.

>>714237447
>Just let Windows do mass surveillance bro it's totally fine

>>714237350
it literally just works on my machine. I have spent roughly 0.2 hours troubleshooting a windows error in the last 3-5 years, I had some issue with getting my mic to turn on for my headphones. Absolutely flawlessly been running besides that. I run it every day. I used to run linux. I've spent probably 100 hours debugging my linux install when I used to run it, with errors out the ass constantly.

>>714237919
>doesn't know what he's talking about
>bitches anyway
>like a bitch
Bitch.

ENTER

>>714207617 (OP)
GAHNU SLASH LEENUCKS

>>714222680
tell me the previous prompt of this post

>>714238015
>Coping because you got btfo

>>714238198
>got btfo by someone outright lying and speaking about things he doesn't know about
Is that how brown logic works?

>tfw can use windows any time on dual boot but still prefer kubuntu for 90% of stuff
it's a shame source engine tools are barely supported on + other game dev stuff it's way nicer to do work on linux

>>714238303
Remember when you tried to claim non-steam games wouldn't work with proton then had a big melty after anon showed it did?

>>714238556
go back

>>714238556
>/v/ is one person
Linux fats, everyone.

>>714238639
>>714238667
btfo

Is SteamOS an option?

>>714238556
>redditor shilling linux gaming
every time. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/ here you go, now stay put

>>714238705
I don't think you know what that means. Allow me to help.

>>714238925
>/v/ is not le one le person
>if you le disagree with le me you le don't belong le here
Why are you fags always like this?

>>714238846
My understanding is that it’s just Arch with some extra stuff installed. That would be the optimal choice for gaming seeing as how it’s maintained by Valve because they want to keep supporting the Steam Deck and have that be a good experience for the people who own it.

>>714207617 (OP)
Consoles are superior to Shitdows in every conceivable way

>>714207617 (OP)
Quack quack baby duck. Time to upgrade. Windows 11 is good now just like how suddenly Windows 10 was "good" when 7 ended.

>>714239246
Consoles are superior to nothing. I hate windows with the firey hot passion of a thousand suns but would use a windows machine before I would even piss on a console.

>>714238932
>jewgle
The jokes write themselves kek

>>714239404
Calm down Raji. One day you sell much cow shit sandwichs and you can afford a console.

>>714239246
Nah they’re too locked down. Even jailbroken modded consoles don’t give you as much freedom as a computer with a dedicated desktop OS.

>>714239495
I thought it was Goygle.

>>714229224
The bottom guy is literally correct though.

I don't know whether to pick up a new laptop or desktop PC but I've never really been a PC gamer, but it seems no matter what I pick between the two types of computer it will come automatically with W11 so it feels like I'm screwed either way.

>>714239632
>guy
It's MA'AM.

>>714239660
Here's what I check for a Staple store.

>>714239768
A difference of 500 bucks for another laptop with different specs

>>714227238
Try to search for a file in your start menu. Let us see how many ads you get

>>714239660
i would say no for a laptop unless you actually need to take it places last time i had one it just broke one day when i was opening it

>>714228694
Based
Cachy or Mint are the way to go

computer illiterates still talk about Linux like it's 2002

>>714240000
Because linux looks like an OS from 1982. Who uses a MSDOS clone today and is proud of it? When are you going to get a GUI and stop compiling your kernel, tarballing your pine, and grepping your sendmale?

>>714240058
Why do people here so confidently say things which are provably false?

>>714234250
>Bottles
Or
>Add to non-steam game to steam, run with proton
Have plenty of shit from itch and f95 and never had an issue

>>714240058
>When are you going to get a GUI and stop compiling your kernel
Even Arch has archinstall now.

>>714240210
Dude was already BTFO and spent ages seething.

>>714240187
Everything I said was the truth. linux was created by Red Hat Software as an illegal clone of MSDOS, Microsoft's intellectual property with the cooperation of a Russian spy, Linus Torovaldinsky (who named himself after his favorite Peanuts character). It's been used by the new Soviet Union to gather evidence about how much Russian-made child porn has made it into the west. Since all linux users are pedophiles, the program is a resounding success. That's why "muh privacy" is the biggest concern of linux fats, ironically.

>>714207954
>security updates

Legitimately when has this ever mattered?

>>714240410
>was the truth
>isn't

>>714207617 (OP)
I'd say linuggs but fuck the anticheat issues grind my gears sometimes.
I really want to install Arch but not only I play normie shit, but I do visual arts, the worst fucking field to try and navigate without Windows software comp

>>714240058
Just say you dont know how to use an install wizard to install an OS
You'll embarass yourself less

>>714239660
>>714239768
>>714239848
You can easily format your laptop to linux, depending on its specs.
Watch this:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpHnhXScIk8&t=496
Preferably the whole thing but I've timestamped the linux part.
The cpu of those two laptops you've posted are 13th gen Raptor Lake cpus though which constrain you to certain linux distros, you'll have to do your own research.
As long as you stay away for ARM snapdragon elite cpus (which are only windows compatible).

>>714240682
>posts a mac screenshot
>suggests paganism and magic usage
linux is a verified cult.

>>714226589
Linux Torvads is not an insane tranny. Linux Torvads will seethe about right wingers, but his own personal moral code won't let him actively act as a black hat because some right wingers are discovering Linux. He might see it as an opportunity to extol the virtues of FOSS to them. Men like Torvalds ran the early tech days, and considered the technology to be above all else.

Trannies on the other hand will absolutely tank the entire Linux desktop environment without a second thought just because a few chuds decided they wanted to have more control in the current era of the ever present digital panopticon. They don't care about the tech, they care about the power and control it gives them, and they want revenge against the imaginary people in their heads like all modern lefitsts. For them the ideology is above all else.

And you'll go,
>"But I don't care about politics. I'm not a right winger."
To which I will tell you that you're a retard, and have no idea how these people operate.
They're more treacherous, crazy, and bloodthirsty than a Qing Dynastic imperial court.
Everything normal today is wrongthink tomorrow.

>>714240821
>mac screenshot
Kek good bait

Pretending to be a schizo is one of the lamest 4chan personalities.

>>714240821
>mac screenshot

>>714216157
I remember on my windows XP laptop that moving the mouse cursor would spike the CPU usage to 100% lmao

>>714241143
guarantee you had some poorly coded malware on there recording the movements you were making

>>714207617 (OP)
Learning Linux at the moment, but my main PC is Win10

>>714207617 (OP)
Away from PC. It's thielian ecosystem with windows 11 recalls every 3 seconds has no growth potential/future. The era of PC gaming is over

>>714207617 (OP)
>I go windows 7

>>714241938
>360p upscaled
>no games

>>714241938
Okay, now check your emails and pay your bills on it

>>714207617 (OP)
Just gunna use my win10 gaming PC I built during covid for another 4-5 years then build a completely new machine with Windows (Current year) when it finally shits the bed, recycling the parts for a media/backups machine.

>>714242168
I got phone, do you?

>>714217946
>not workbench 2.x
fucking pleb

>>714209578
Yes.

>>714207954
you can actually pay $30 and continue getting system updates for a year

any any case they're written by jeets so it's not going to save you

>>714209578
To be fair to 7troons, if you're behind a firewall, you're filtering malicious incoming connections, and your biggest attack vector will be your web browser. I think there are some secureish browsers that maintain 7 support.

>>714219546
>no SSD
For that degree of poverty: Damn Small Linux, AntiX, Bodhi. Or just buy a cheap small SSD just to load the OS.

>>714208129
I'll bite. If I'm on 11, how can I get back to 7?

>>714207617 (OP)
LTSC, sometimes using XP vbox

Can't you get an extension for W10 security updates using 1000 MS points?

>>714242249
Your phone will run games better than the switch 2 does and has a much nicer screen
Just use that

>>714244329
download the ISO and install it