Why did a game from nearly 20 years ago outdo a game from 2024?
What went wrong?
Sparking Zero is dead

I like the one on Wii that I can do the motion controls.

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ZETSUBOU

>>714225696
Why did a game from 2007 get mogged by a game from 2003?

>>714224390 (OP)
this game was an actual love letter to dbz. You can tell from just how many characters they tried to cram in it to make sure people could play with their favorites, the decent selection of stages, and a story that covered everything from the og up to gt, with bonus what-if scenarios on top of that.
sparking zero was made to cash in and sell dlc. Literally no passion at all for dragon ball or proper understanding of why people liked bt2 and 3.

>>714224390 (OP)
The novelty of massive character roster wore off. That's it. Sparking Zero had nothing else to compensate for it.

>>714227837
it's not just that, but they did the same thing that bt3 and kakkorot did which is retelling the db story.
how many more times can you get away with that? they should have done something like bt2 which had a lot of what-if stuff or done some other original story.
the multiplayer was also unbalanced and trash.
Even graphically I don't think the game looks good at all, the older ps2 graphics/artstyle upscaled on an emulator looks better than sparking zero.

>>714224390 (OP)
>>714227251
Budokai 3 is better than those 2.

>>714224390 (OP)
Swear to god there's always 50 threads crying about Sparking Zero.

Why did Sparking Zero get zero support? It sold well and people generally liked it. People begged for more costumes, movesets, and maps. And got nothing.

>>714228413
"game so expensive to maek, prease understand anon-san"

>>714224390 (OP)
>>714227251
Why did two games from 2003 and 2007 get mogged by a game from 2006

>>714224390 (OP)
This was the last good DBZ game

>>714228413
Because that's the standard Bamco procedure

Xenoverse 2 is the bizzare exception to the rule

>>714228841
>Just lying on the internet

>>714228828
Based

>>714224390 (OP)
I preferred B3.

>>714230545
BT1 coming in with the best and the most SOUL intro in the trilogy

>>714228828
>anon is an ant

UGHHHHHHHHHHHH
https://youtu.be/AwsZ6pwH2Jg

>Why did a movie from 15 years ago outdo a series from 2025
It's truly a mystery

>>714224390 (OP)
>Why did a game from nearly 20 years ago outdo a game from 2024?
Attention to detail and curated artstyle

>What went wrong?
No attention to detail, poor artstyle implementation, DBS content, barebones content on its own, no real identity on its own or improvement over the previous game.

>Sparking Zero is dead
Good. Deserved for aping the Tenkaichi/sparking line for quick hype and nostalgia avoiding to deliver

>>714228841
That was DBZKai for DS.

>>714224390 (OP)
Tankaichi 3 was so fucking simplistic, it lacked all the impressive super attacks from Budokai 3, sometimes I wonder if people only went crazy for this version specifically because of the 3D movement and fuckton of characters

>>714231748
BT3 was more popular for its bigger roster and more closely matching the anime, but B3 was the better fighting game.

>>714224390 (OP)
Is BT3 the most overrated DB game?

>>714228413
Because the japanese treat all anime tie-in games as cheap knockoff shit instead of a chance to do anything interesting or beloved.

>>714231906
Correct

>>714224390 (OP)
one has nostalgia bias backing it

>>714231906
No, it Budokai 3; Infinite World was the best fighting game.

>>714224390 (OP)
Video game budgets are just too damn high now

>>714228828
This was the best one but on Wii. Motion controls were fun as fuck in those fights.

>>714228996
SOME FRIES MUTHAFUCKA

>>714228413
It got 3 DLCs with more on the way, but almost all of it is based on things people don't care about, 2 Daima DLC and a character from the fucking mobile game

What was the difference between Budokai, and Budokai Tenkaichi?

>>714231842
B3 sucked ass as a fighting game because of all those shitty mid-fight minigames

isn't it weird how all the most popular DB games are all in the same console era?

Budokai 3? PS2
BT2/BT3? PS2 (and Wii)
Super DBZ? PS2

when people are asked what their favorite DB fighting game is, 95% will say a game that released on the PS2, nothing before then and certainly nothing after

I don't really blame the devs
They probably had to spend a gorillion doing new models and animations and probably got a shit budget
It's all on Bamco. Their games are DLC infested garbage.

>>714234273
2.5D game vs. full 360 open area game.
>>714234370
Filtered. In hard fights the RPS sections added to the challenge.

>>714234092
>This was the best one but on Wii.
No, it wasn't; it had colossal fps drops into single digits due the pointer.

Ultimate tenkaichi might suck but the OST is great
Also 2D cutscenes

>>714234386
because that's when DBZ was airing in the US. DBZ didn't start airing regularly in the US until 1998, and the final episode premier was in 2003. So that period and for a few years after was when the hype was at full speed.

>>714224390 (OP)
Greed and massive lack of passion.

Post tunes
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XYSvtvRvrQs

>>714234465
Yeah because losing a close fight because you're opponent chose paper was real fucking fun

>>714228828
Probably has the best orginal story in a dragonball game.

they need to just let Sparking Zero die and make a sequel. Put in a better story mode, add in all missing characters, add in way more customization and stages, add in missing modes, fix up some broken shit. I'd rather that than this DLC shit anyday.

Glad we can all agree GT is better than daima and super

>>714239467
GT is better than super, but you're smoking more meth than master roshi if you think GT is better than daima

>>714237352
Budokai 3 tards always cope about that lmao.
That's why infinite world is better even though it flopped and came out late on the ps2.
It's basically just 1:1 bt3 but without the retarded rng rock paper scissor thing.
The only downside is that it doesn't have tournament mode iirc.
>>714239467
yeah but the ending could have been better, some things were left too open ended for no reason.
In an ideal world super would have been a gt reboot, but hopefully they make it that far someday because in the manga they're like a few months or a year away from the ending of z

>>714239854
Daima is undercooked and Toriyama hasn't been good since Z
Also pointless filler episodes and the backgrounds and art and writing are worse than GT

>>714239467
>Glad we can all agree trash is better than shit

>>714239854
Granted I saw GT over a decade ago but Daima looks like a literal toddler's show same with Super.

>>714241440
I saw a Japanese comment say that Daima was just Super wearing a GT/Z costume

>>714241714
From what I've seen that sounds like a completely fair assessment.

Easy: They spent two years to build up the game, from polishing the gameplay, the visuals and the roster. It was also a nice way to allow lesser characters a chance to shine and they weren't just adding shit to add it, there were neat touches with each character.
>Super Trunks can power down to Normal Trunks and keep his extra health bar
>Every tailed saiyan can transform into an Oozaru with their own features (King Vegeta keeps his beard, Raditz has his long hair, etc.)
>Androids can't charge their Ki
>Every character has a unique reaction to Devilman's beam
Just to name a few. The roster was also unapologetic with who it added, Dragon Ball was already finished and didn't have an ongoing series specifically made to sell recolors so you didn't have to worry about shill picks, it was pure fanservice and there was still room for a lot more. I remember all the speculation about Tenkaichi 4 and all the obscure reps that weren't added yet.

Pic related was right out the box. People are still coping for the missing reps to be sold back to them for money. The game was also not played competitively, it was just a virtual toybox and should have remained that.

>>714242426
characters from filler, android 8 from og db, characters from the movies, it's crazy how hard they went.
When I heard sparking zero would have dlc before it released I already knew it was over.
I'd rather pay $200 for a modern day remaster of this with multiplayer than play shitting zero.
The multiplayer on this game wasn't even bad, it still has a community and even some small tournaments with some characters being better than others.

Following up the huge success that was DBFZ which was an extremely well-made fighting game that had a large player base with a shitty cash-in that failed to capture what made the original budokai tenkaichi games good wasn't going to impress anyone. Also I might be the only one who thinks this but I am so fucking tired of dbs characters that I never want to see them in anything again

>>714243469
>I am so fucking tired of dbs characters that I never want to see them in anything again
Agreed.

>>714224390 (OP)
because it was much cheaper and easier to make a game with those graphics than it is to make a game with Sparking Zero's graphics.

ZETSUBOU

>>714224390 (OP)
>dlc to play chars already in a single-purchase $60 game from 20 years ago
>also classic controls are broken for tagshit
jee i wonder