Rebirth's combat is an unfocused clusterfuck, replacing Remake's honed and crunchy impact with floaty sparkle. I don't care about perfect parry, DMshitters have ruined a perfect balance between action and turn-based.

>>714261301 (OP)
I tried the demo and the combat isn't bad, but all in all the game feels like a tech demo full with filler or placeholder content.

>new FF game comes out
>the previous one is now percieved as good/was never bad
And the FF cycle contiues

>>714261635
I made this thread because everyone is glazing the shit out of Rebirth's combat and I want to know what they're smoking.

>>714261301 (OP)
They both are good. I have a preference for remake because it’s cleaner and simpler. But with rebirth, I cannot criticize any of the additions to the combat, they’re all good. And when you master them all and make a good team with good sinergy of materias it’s really satisfying also. But even though they’re all good, I also feel like they’re all unnecessary. Like remake already hit the mark bullseye and on their second attempt they split the first bulseye arrow right in the middle like in robin hood with Kevin costner. It’s like too good for its own good because had they kept the remake combat exactly as is they could have focused on other parts of the game that are actually bad.

>>714261301 (OP)
>>714261769
It's exactly the same combat except no longer as janky against aerial enemies and with more abilities on top that add additional depth, and some OP abilities from Remake nerfed(Remake's version of Parry for instance). You're probably just not smart enough for it.

>>714261301 (OP)
let's see clouds honed stomach

>>714261769
The fact that they bought this steaming pile of dog shit should tell you straight away that they're retarded, anon, just like you.

>>714262117
>except no longer as janky against aerial enemies
If is significantly jankier against aerial enemies wtf.
>Rrmake: Can't reach with a sword, switch to your ranged specialist or magic, don't worry we've balanced the encounter so that it's challenging but fair
>Rebirth: Lol just dodge combo bro you'll throw lasers
Unhinged work.

>>714261301 (OP)
>I want a pointless fake guard and a fake dodge that doesn't work.
>I want scripted fake combat where the only way to avoid many attacks is to i-frame through them with a limit
>I want the sluggish unresponsive attacks with the shittest air combat ever made
Kill yourself you pathetic nigger. 7R was fake action slop that broke every single game design rule.
not that part 2 is much better literally scripted fights, locking the bosses HP if you play too well so it can play 4 cutscene interruptions per boss fight.

i fucked my ass to all of Cloud's gay porn on rule34

>>714263552
>Turn-based elements
Perfect. Fuck action shitters, this is a thinking man's game.

>>714262970
Except you can reach them with a sword in Remake, it's just very janky. In Rebirth you manually jump into the air which is obviously better. Nothing to do with Cloud's new ranged combo which is there because the game no longer controls your party composition, so obviously more characters need ranged options so you don't have to keep Barret in your party at all times in case of a ranged encounter.

>>714266110
idgi do you imagine you are cloud getting fucked or that cloud is fucking you?

>>714261301 (OP)
>DMshitters have ruined a perfect balance between action and turn-based.
No. Remake's combat doesn't even allow you to fight against flying enemies. Rebirth's combat is still ass, you can't fight against more than 3 enemies otherwise you will be stunlocked to death but it's far far better than Remake.

>>714261301 (OP)
>clusterfuck
It is actually the best party-based combat system ever created. You just want to mindlessly mash buttons, because suck at games.

>>714266158
it's literally made for retards. you can tel by the censorship for babies, flanderised characters and gay as fuck cringey cutscenes.
it doesn't have any turn based "elements" it's not turn based. it's just jank action combat that was made by incompetent retards.

>>714267526
You have low IQ.

>>714268769
>retarded autistic nomura nigger calling other people low IQ
lol

>>714263552

>>714261301 (OP)
I liked it and I hate /v/ contrarianism who only praises something when a new game is out

>>714266789
>Remake's combat doesn't even allow you to fight against flying enemies.
See >>714262970

>>714266335
>Except you can reach them with a sword in Remake, it's just very janky
Perfect.
>Nothing to do with Cloud's new ranged combo which is there because the game no longer controls your party composition, so obviously more characters need ranged options so you don't have to keep Barret in your party at all times in case of a ranged encounter.
You should have to keep a ranged fighter in your party.

>>714261301 (OP)
As an expert on both Rebirth is better

>>714268993
No, he's right.

>>714261301 (OP)
rebirths is good as well and the new additions work with the combat design but yeah ff7r combat was more deliberate

>>714269671
And yet here you are being a contrarian. Curious.

>>714266789
you suck at both games

>>714266789
its funny how much you can find out
first in remake you can actually attack most flying enemies with a sword meaning you didnt play it or already forgot about it meaning your opinion is worth nothing,
and claiming that you are stunlocked in rebirth with more than 3 enemies proves you are shit in that game as well or again didnt play it

>>714261301 (OP)
Played remake this year and enjoyed it for the most part. Combat was fun (aside from arieth) and felt it was honouring the original.....right up till the end with the retarded tine jannies.

Played rebirth this year.
It really is a clusterfuck of a mess.
The combat feels off, tifa seems weak, arieth is worse than in remake, cait is not fun to play as at all, red is just hold A button.

The rest of the game is just a mess. Add vincent but doesn't let you play as him, no explanation to him or his story, cait just says 3 sentences and he turns up later.

Add cid but doesn't let you play as him. Now he's just a driver without any ambitions or goals.

Story feels like its ruined, Zack sections are a mess, black vs white time jannies, weapon is now x2 goldfish, not enough scarlet and her incredible tits, random homeless Wutai guy that haunts Rufus.

I honestly doubt I will bother with part 3 because they will cut so much content or ruin it

>>714261769
Rebirths combat is literally remakes combat but now you can parry. Literally nothing changed outside of synergy attacks. The game having more dedicated arial starters was something the first game needed because getting into the air felt inconsistent for no good reason. Also if you played Intergrade you would have already been primed on these updates because they all existed when playing with Yuffie/Sonon you fucking booty warrior.

>>714270325
it wasn't "deliberate" at all.
it was just objectively shit and sloppy. even just looking at the first boss guard scorpion.
he has a missile attack and the missiles literally land randomly.
they can't be dodged, they can't be parried and you're movement is useless too.

that's right you may as well be stapled to the floor in actual turnbased because none of your real time mechanics are actually programed or designed properly. they're purely superficial and useless.
So how do players avoid the missile barrage? they don't. they restart the fight until they get an RNG seed that doesn't do the missiles.
Great "design" you stupid senile niggers. troonmake is the biggest pile of shit ever made.

>>714271621
>trannyfag is demented beyond belief
every single god damn time

>>714261769
Nigga there plenty of toolkit to use without needing to parry anything. Infact parry is cancer to attempt in most fights because it's just far too visually chaotic, mobility is infinitely more useful.

>>714261301 (OP)
Rebirth wants to be KH2 and fails miserably at it lol
>>714271227
The game feel and balance literally changed. In Remake you had to be strategic about your staggers and control your party, in Rebirth you can spam aerial combos and slop parry your way to victory with zero effort. Rebirth feels like a bad Tales gamwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, Remake felt like an actually smart spin on what they had going with FFXIII and its only flaw is that the game only gives you the real difficulty at a NG+
That's another issue with Remake, it's always easy as fuck

>>714271621
You're legit just bad at the game. Stop trying to do the same thing over and over like a spastic. It's unironically one of the hardest FF games by far on dymanic/hard mode and you need to git gud.

>>714271621
>can't be dodged, they can't be parried

But you can dodge them......

>>714261301 (OP)
they both suck

>>714261301 (OP)
I didn't like “we hired DMC combat designers”, not as if KH wasn't already superior to DMC, because it is. It's one of those typical corporate marketing gimmicks that I dislike.

>>714272182
wrong game bro

>>714272182
FFXVI is shit for a lot other reasons but it's also shit for the same reasons Rebirth is essentially. too braindead and too easy

>>714271150
>and felt it was honouring the original

incredibly delusional. you dont realize the burger you just ate had feces mixed in with the meat patty

>>714272028
no you can't retard. you have no i-frames dodging makes you a bigger target. once while doing a no damage run I found you could stand still and hope the RNG misses you and avoided damage that way but it's an invalid strategy.
the only reliable way to deal with it is to.. not... just manipulate RNG so the boss never does the attack or stunlock him and melt his HP so he never gets the chance.

It's a really badly designed game.
by contrast every single enemy attack in KH2 has a fully controllable non-rng way to avoid it. now THAT is an ARPG with proper design.

>>714271621
JRPG’s have never been about doing no damage runs. One of the contentions some anons have about a game like EX33 is that having a dedicated button to both parry and dodge takes away the damage RNG that you can build around. You can make a tank build in that game if you suck at both those things but the game expects you to master your reaction times. On the other hand a game like Metaphor, dodging relies upon the AGI stat to do that job for you. And outside of Heismay it is inconsistent because avoiding all damage isn’t the goal of the game or most JRPG’s. FF7 Remake is a JRPG before it’s an action game which means avoiding all damage was never the point. And before some nigger posts some autistic no hit run of remake I don’t fucking care. 99% of the people who play this game including the extremely good hard mode autists were not avoiding all damage. That’s one of the big reasons why parry was an interesting addition to Rebirth. And even in that game there’s just unavoidable damage. I think the only boss I successfully no damaged was Titan because he plays more like souls type enemy due to his move set.

>>714272730
I admit it was FAR FAR from perfect and they did change/add various stuff to it.
However for the most part it did follow the path of the original.
It wasn't as ruined as what dead space remake was with its opening minute having a dyke tell you how great she is being gay.

It's only near the end does ff7r turn to utter shit with the time janny bs

>>714272539
DMC statement thing is fucked, because it's them shitting on their own in-house team.

>>714272785
randomness is good in ARPGs sometimes. adaptable RNG is exactly how you get the best games, KH2 gets boring after a while because it feels like a souls game with how set in stone everything from attack patterns to everything else is.
you can boost your evasion in remake. that's a proper RPG strategy. you can also physically dodge attacks. the game feels like a culmination of ATB with succinct design. there is a physicality to the RPG elements but the RPG layer is present and it's in your best interest to engage with it fully.

>>714272965
7R is not a JRPG. FF7 is.
7R is a walking & cutscene simulator for autistic homosexuals.. with some badly made action game segments on the side.

>>714271957
>Rebirth you can spam aerial combo
On minor enemies that in both games die very easily regardless. If you can even launch something into the air, its not a threat in either game. Otherwise they added synergy skills so building ATB for characters you aren't actively playing is better and allows cool team up moves afterwards.
>attack and utilitize synergy skills to build ATB
>spend ATB
>can now use synergy abilities
Its a system that works pretty great if some problems, like said synergy skills like Counterfire or basically all of them that make someone teleport to you. Feels like a half-solution to dumb AI allies.

PC modded to allow them to actually attack nonstop makes the combat feel better, but honestly even doubling enemy health it shows how broken you would be if your party members actually fought like a player

>>714272182
It was literally designed by a Monster Hunterfag like cmon bro.
>>714272785
Because dodging in these games aren't about abusing I-Frames this isn’t fucking Elden Ring nigga. You have a guard button. You have a parry. Don’t just rely on one thing. Remake and Rebirth are extremely hard on their hardest difficulties so use the tools you’re given.

I think both suck. It's just your average Tales game but with a worse artstyle/visual design.
The biggest issue is that the enemies, much like every other FF, are just pushovers. There's no discernible threat, so all it boils down to is watching some goofy, over-the-top anime choreography for 30 hours of button-mashing insanity.
Project Remake is genuinely a worthy successor to Advent Children in its incoherent melodramatic writing and consistent flow of pointless action sequences. Top marks to the three dementia-laden looneys running this show. The Irishman of /v/.

>>714273409
But OG FF7 is also an "auto-scroller''

>>714273409
I liked remake...rebirth's ubislop gets exhausting and it wastes your time too much

>>714273409
By definition it is but I’m not here to debate you on how much you hate le modern SE.

>>714272785
So you admit you didn't notice the pattern to avoiding them.
It took me 4 retry attempts till I noticed the way to avoid them.
You know you have to hide behind rubble to avoid the tail laser yeah?

Skill issue, unironically. Sick of faggots calling anything other than easy mode handholding bad combat.

>>714273720
What definition?

>>714273861
Rebirth just has shit combat you fucking retard lmao anyone acting like these games are hard has a minuscule sized penis

>>714273615
What I don't get is why they don't just give you gambits for your party members considering XII literally took that from Tales and Star Ocean. A Remake with more skills, a bit of an air game, more of a focus on character switching, a harder parry (that'd need the game to run at 60fps though) or something else to promote aggressive play by speeding up ATB considerably and programmable gambits would make for a good ass action game.

>>714267363
>press one button
>become invincible
>somehow this is an own

Rebirth fags have literally not developed any semblance of self awareness. They’re evolutionarily stunted on a genetic level.

>>714272965
the games you're talking about are turn based.
>>714273720
by definition it's an ARPG
never give your player full movement and a guard and dodge if you're just going to make them fake non-tangible mechanics.
Once your player starts moving around and dodging. those mechanics better fucking work. there are basic rules that dictate every threat needs to be avoidable. because if damage is 100% guaranteed. then you're just playing scripted movie slop made to look like an action game but the player input doesn't matter. proper action game design is not hard at all.

E.G Roaches lightning cast
Rebirth - The ground glows and you can dodge the strike or parry by other means.
Demake - You take 100% guarenteed damage. because you are not playing a game. You may as well drop the controller since this is a movie.

>Rebirth just has shit combat you fucking retard lmao anyone acting like these games are hard has a minuscule sized penis

Filtered faggot.

>>714261301 (OP)
I mean, demake's combat was retarded mashing garbage for inbred cocksucking niggerfaggots, what did you expect?

>>714274057
Sounds good to me. I don't hate any combat system really, from Strategy (Turn-Based) to Action, doesn't really matter to me. Execution is what counts, and I can't think of a single iterarion of FF I've played where the execution was so on point I've replayed one for "that part" gameplay-wise. The primary method for interacting with the game world is hilariously irrelevant and forgotten immediately upon completion of the game, if not before.
>The enemy has to be fun to shoot at, as well as be shot at

We support E33, not Final Fantasy. We already convicted Rebirth of being the worst “RPG” of the year. WE DO NOT LIKE IT.

>>714274361
>the devs themselves admitted they didn't know what they were doing and had to fix many design faults.
>but trust me dude troonmake part 1 is genius combat.

>>714274542
learn to read retard

>>714274624
No mistake.
just adding on to your post making fun of OP.