where did Starfield fail that Cyberpunk succeeded?

>>714263897 (OP)
Cyberpunk appealed to Redditors by using Reddit marketing techniques to sway them.

Cyberpunk is fun at its core, and was made by talented people.

Starfield is boring at its core, and was made by retards.

Cyberpunk "succeeded" after the anime adaptation came out with a cute and funny loli character and cunnysseurs flooded the internet with a bunch of "Actually it was good all along" revisionist bullshit

>>714263897 (OP)
>We will be making a space game
>but wait
>no aliens, in the entire universe
Also, Emil is still working there and he's genuinely garbage

>>714263897 (OP)
Having stuff to actually see and do. Cyberpunk may not be the best in that regard but it shits all over Starfield, which is filled with wilderness and identical proc gen settlements.

>>714263897 (OP)
A anime came out and people pretend Cyberpunk is good now

>>714263897 (OP)
Cyberpunk is tailor made for stoners, Rick and Morty and Marvel fans

Cp2077 is far from what was promised but still an 8/10 if you like night city

Meanwhile toddslop is 5/10 unless you are some retarded boomer who enjoys building ugly bases for no reason

>>714263897 (OP)
The dlc is gonna save starfield.

>>714263897 (OP)
Starfield looks like it was made for modern audiences. Cyberpunk is more like a teenager's idea of what would be cool.

>>714263897 (OP)
Starfield was a moment of disillusionment. Todd's sect, after switching the setting, finally noticed that those games aren't good

>>714263897 (OP)
CDPR kept working on Cyberpunk to this day.
Bethesda put a shitty car in the game and released a shitty DLC before abandoning the game.

Starfield is the first thing that comes to mind when I think 'AI produced goyslop'

>>714264418
What's about starfield?
Is made for People with mental disability?

>>714263897 (OP)
Say what you want about Cyberpunk but at least they actually handcrafted their world and didn't procgen everything like Starfield.

>>714263897 (OP)
from what little I played of cyberpunk, you didn't have to open a fast travel menu to simply go from objective to objective every single time with no options to go there manually. that alone is a huge part of why starfield fucking sucks.

>>714264103
No third person no buy

>>714264601
>finally noticed that those games aren't good
Sure buddy.

>The Fall of 76
>Won't lie, I'm probably still gonna preorder Starfield.

>>714264617
>AI produced goyslop
Pajeets in India worked for many rupees to make this.

>>714264167
bethesda's strength is making memorable maps and settings. say what you want about the quality of the writing but fallout and tes definitely have a lot of memorable iconography. so of course for starfield they made world's least interesting sci-fi setting, one that's too "hard" for crazy planets and cool alien species, but too "soft" to allow for cool space autism (because any space setting that has literal fucking universe resets and space magic is not hard sci-fi in any way). and then instead of a proper map, or even a handful of planets, it's hundreds of uninteresting and boring procgen planets. genuinely what the fuck were they thinking

there's zero bethesda magic in starfield and all you're left with is a mediocre fps and an even worse rpg with mostly uninspired quests. there's nothing to love about it. people didn't even get angry about it, because that would mean that people are passionate in any way about the game. but nobody is.

>most missions are boring
>most POIs are boring, and the ones not directly attached to a mission will be recycled constantly
>main companions are interchangeable in morals 99% of the time, making them all boring
>NG+ is a fucking slog
>weapons are boring and you'll have to deal with the dogshit RNG to get something worth remembering past a certain level
>crafting is a slog where you have to level up a perk, level up research, and find which planet has the right alien assholes you have to farm
>worldbuilding pushed all of the major events into a war that happened years ago so you're stuck learning about this new IP through a god damn in-game museum
>economy still feels like their other games but doesn't have the excuse of being medieval high fantasy or post-apocalyptic (why can't I just buy 30 cases of adhesive from a trading conglomerate why do I have to fuck off to planet #589765 to shoot a fucking goat in the balls for their cum)
>base-building is useless outside of farming garbage in order to grind exp by spamming metal dildo production
I have no faith in Bethesda anymore. I barely had any when Fallout 4 came out.

>>714263897 (OP)

>>714265072
don't forget:
>bullet sponge enemies, even with difficulty settings tweaked to where the player deals twice as much damage as default
>MUST open a fast travel menu to get anywhere, unable to move between planets, to planets from space, or between star systems from the cockpit
>ran like shit on it's recommended hardware at launch, still looks ugly as shit
>all of the procgen planets are barren shitholes dotted with random POIs
this fucking game had nothing going for it, what the fuck was bethesda thinking?

>>714263897 (OP)
Starfield moved away from the Bethesda formula of having a seamless open world you can freely explore, while finding something interesting to do as you move around the world. They also created a new setting that was nowhere near as interesting as Fallout or Elder Scrolls, so all their weak points became glaring issues, such as their mediocre writing staff and subpar graphics.

Meanwhile Cyberpunk 2077 relied on CDPR's strengths despite the buggy launch, mediocre combat and shallow RPG elements. The Witcher 3 had all the same issues, although it was a lot less buggy. Both games are just glorified movie-game with pretty graphics, good music and tons of quests. Their characters are also attractive and memorable. Not to mention that both settings are borrowed from far more talented writers.

>>714265315
>femdom
It's a femme fatale. Those characters always turn into a punching bag the moment the plot actually starts.

>>714264640
Starfield is made for le modern audience and normies.

>>714264059
this

there is no one with any self respect that picked that slop up. Pure reddit trash

>>714263897 (OP)
>Starfield
Boring
>C2077
Fun

Simple as.

>>714263897 (OP)
Bugthesda only offers boring gameplay, loading screens and shit writing.
CDPR offers fun and engaging games.
>>714264059
>>714264165
>>714264325
>contrarians still pretending to be retarded

>>714263897 (OP)
Starfield looks loathsome for starters
Who the FUCK wants nasapunk or whatever for sci fi

>>714263897 (OP)
>Oh ya, we can make an Outer Worlds too
>Oh fuck, we can't write and have no previous established IP done by decent writers to go off of
>Oh fuck, our engine is garbage for multi-planet space travel
>Oh fuck, they still want to push the infinite radiant bullshit
>Oh fuck Emil has a stick up his ass and demands the main quest takes an important role in the gameplay instead of being ignored

Cyberpunk is made for morons, it's got GTA style missions, a braindead main story and ride-along cutscenes. In you hold forward and click continue on the dialogue you will eventually complete the game

Starfield was made for people to mod. While it's skill tree and weapons are as lazy as cyberpunk it doesn't have the massive city and cutscenes to distract retards

>>714263897 (OP)
Starfield didn't have a shill anime.

>>714267437
You can't convince people to mod a game they aren't already passionate about.

>>714263897 (OP)
Shartfield looks like total shit and it's a loading screen simulator, and the exploration is bad which is like the whole purpose of a Bethesda game

>>714267437
Cyberpunk is a super fun game compared to shartfield. It's not even close. Shitfield is a boring ass slog of a piece of shit. Are you vlad by any chance? Because you seem so fucking butthurt by people hating on pajeetfield that you are forced to defend bugthesda lol. Also, everyone loves cyberpunk.

>>714267651
right, that's why it failed. I don't know who greenlit it but it was a complete failure

bethesda's not been able to make a game in 10 years, no dev has.

>>714267769
Cyberpunk is fun? Like 20 hours of the start of the game is fighting the same level 3 scavs and gooks, then you unlock the city center and you know what gang is there? level 7 gooks

>>714263897 (OP)
Did bethesda even put out patches for their trash or just let it die? I know at the beginning they hoped modders would work for free to fix it but then the modding community died within 3 months.

>>714263897 (OP)
Starfield is awful because you'd think a space game would have some exploration. Instead starfield is literally just loading screen to map constantly. The whole game feels so segmented.

>>714267437
>Mod cope
It's a terrible game
Cp2077 is miles better than that

>>714263897 (OP)
CDPR devs left after getting paid to sabotage the team with activists, still had some appeal to normies with celebrities and early ai slop carried ugly visuals.
Starfield devs left after getting paid to sabotage their team with pajeets, literally couldn't wrangle the fraudsters to do their jobs and bowed out kissing the feet of Todd hoping to maintain a good relationship on their way out.

Overall CDPR RED engine was just more polished than the 1990s Gamebryo Frankenstein engine with visual polish.

Starfield didn't even get the Bethesda formula right. The boring sci-fi aesthetic just added to the terrible experience.

>>714263897 (OP)
Bethesda didn't even try to resuscitate the game, CDPR put in a lot of effort to fix glaring issues with Cyperpunk.

>>714268230
They're about the same quality gameplay wise, which is the weakest aspect of cyberpunk . Cyberpunks only saving grace is the city which isn't even good from a game design perspective. It's just a facade that runs along the main streets

Cyberpunk had a hand-crafted world that was pretty to drive around in at its core.
Starfield had a lobomized procgen void of content. There was nothing interesting in Starfield, nothing to go look at. I think your average Indie roguelike on Steam had more meaty content than Slopfield

>>714263897 (OP)
Cyberpunk had a good proper animated tie in and room to improve
Starfield had some lame short animations and no room to improve because there was nothing to build on

>>714268875
>room to improve
how's the vehicle physics? still n64 tier?

>>714263897 (OP)
The part where the problems of the game was resolved by further development.

>>714263897 (OP)
Starfield didn't get initial sales whereas Cyperpunk definitely did. People don't like to think they were tricked or suckered into something so if you sell someone a product that's shit but show effort in improving it and actually achieve some level of improvement they'll flip their opinion because it means they weren't retarded to buy it.

>>714269043
People aren't that dumb are they

>>714263897 (OP)
I played both. Starfield was better but neither are good games.

>>714265315
cyberpunk is beloved by its story and innovation, cope.

>>714266549
dont you have a toilet to clean, poorlak?

>>714269735
don't you have a poop to eat, pajeet?

>>714263897 (OP)
They made a lolibait cartoon that got all the incels interested enough to buy it

>>714269764
I didnt know whether to call you a poorlak or a jeet for shilling cyberslop so that's pretty ironic that you use jeet as an insult while behaving like one

>>714263897 (OP)
Pirated both, played both, enjoyed Cyberpunk more.
What helped Cyberpunk is them not having an expectation that modders will fix it for them, and having a design document I assume. The weeb tiein helped tide over the pissed off early buyers until it was in a playable state. They fixed their shit with time somewhat like No Man's Sky.

>>714269846
saar do the nedful and redeem saarfield bloody benchol bitch!

>>714263897 (OP)
Basically Woke Skyrim in space full of niggers, spice, Indians and South East Asians.

>>714263897 (OP)
They never even tried to fix anything.
CP2077 got fixes.

>>714269585
>Hi I'm /v/, I'm uh, well it doesn't matter
>here's an hour of scripted cutscenes to start the game
>here's my friend jackie, he's uh, a mexican and he's... dead
>here's another hour of scripted cutscenes to start the game
>keanu chungus inserted
>here's 4 hours of skippable cutscene dialogue for the "story"
>we need to get back to mars
>get to mars, keanu chungus removed
>hour of cutscenes
>cutscene ends with martians telling you keanu gave you terminal monkeypox
>YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

>>714270037
I think both games are slop, I hate poorlaks with a passion

Its entirely marketing. People purchased copies of cyberpunk and turned the game on expecting it to be a video game that it wasnt. Everyone who bought starfield knew pretty much what they were in for.

In a better world, CDPR would have been sued for cyberpunk and Bethesda would have been sued for F76.

>>714270459
cdpr was sued for cyberpunk and they lost

>>714263897 (OP)

>>714263897 (OP)
Bethesda style open world RPGs don't translate well into space sci-fi settings

>>714263897 (OP)
soul

>>714263897 (OP)
cyberpunk always had a skeleton to build on. starfield's skeleton has necrosis

>>714264103
Made by 27 third world companies full of retards.

You'd think with Microsoft owning them they could of just passed some work off to actual developers instead of having Rakesh make sandwiches with 70k polygons.

>>714270626
When you are spending close to a decade bumbling around in pre-production trying to figure what works and what doesn't you have no right to tell anyone that gamedev is hard. You're just being an inefficient drama queen.

>>714269585
What fucking "innovation"?

>>714264167
>no aliens, in the entire universe
Dumb and disappointing, but it's not what made the game bad. The setting is just soulless globohomo trash.

>>714263897 (OP)
cyberpunk was fun
even if it was buggy or unbalanced, it still had a solid story and characters, a cool world and decent combat
starfield felt like something made with the specific purpose of being as bland as possible. I don't know why did they do it. From the aesthetic, the characters, the questlines, the rpg elements, the world building, everything is just so devoid of any personality and excitement that every moment feels like a slog

>>714270459
>expecting it to be a video game that it wasnt
fueled entirely by marketing. i know that if i hadn't watched interviews and nightcity wire episodes or the e3 demo i wouldn't have been disappointed by the release version. sure on a technical level it sucked but it wouldn't have those fist sized holes of content that i was expecting to be filled.

>>714271918
only bug i ever had was a pop in of a called veichle inside another 2 times
around 80 hours

>>714263897 (OP)
I wouldn't pay either of them but with CDPR and after 2077, they probably the scummiest devs out there.
>Lied about the game and showed fake gameplay for years
>Suppressed reviews at release to hid how broke and shit the game was
>Released a shit game then was stripped from market places and so shit on PC 3060-3090 builds couldn't run it

The only reason they "came back" was because the studio was facing and existential crisis if they didn't fix the game. They kept the ship from sinking now but TW4 looks like it could start the sinking again. It's already surrounded by controversy. If you support this dev, you're part of the problem with this industry.

>>714263897 (OP)
Cyberpunk for all it's jank and disappointment still had an enjoyable main storyline. I didn't care about anything else and felt the city was a massive waste of development time for how much it lacked in interactivity, but it still managed to be less of a waste of time than 90% of starfield which is just embarrassing.

>>714263897 (OP)
Heres a video that sums it up. https://youtu.be/K4ADco41g9s
Cyberpunk is an actual +18 game, with lots of edgy moments, and lots of well directed scenes.
Shartfield is just bethesdas fallout formula in space, but safe and toothless as fuck
>>714265315
Yes shazamtroon, I bet most of anons remember how dogshit Cyberpunk 1.0 was. However, the game saw an engoodening arc and now its fun and immersive when you play it. Kys

>>714272170
>3060-3090 builds couldn't run it
I played it just fine on a 2060, why lie?

>>714272302
>However, the game saw an engoodening arc and now its fun and immersive when you play it. Kys
NTA but it's still complete shit beyond the main story. It's been improved but it's still just a shit+1. Anyone glazing it just outs themselves as legit idiot only capable of processing the experinece on the most superficial level.

>>714270251
>Indian humour

>>714269193
Come on now.

>>714263897 (OP)
i would love to visit night city. it's kino
not a single location in starfield is even worth remembering.

>>714272302
>still trying to complain about shazamfags for having fucking eyes while admitting they were right

>>714267437
>>Starfield was made for people to mod
How about they make a game that isn't complete shit first and then worry about mod support? Skyrim at least has a decent world to explore even if the combat sucks dick.

>>714263897 (OP)
CDPR was a rising star, so they had a genuinely massive hypetrain that could bulldoze past the launch issues and cultivate a player base.
To contrast, Bethesda have been floundering and relying on past glories for years, so a new IP had to prove itself far more and failed.

Cyberpunk lets you fuck about, while starfield has endless transitional scenes to do anything
Cyberpunk had funny bug compilations, while starfield was so boring that nobody cared to catalog any

CDRP used weeaboos to viral cyberpunk into relevance again, then used the sunk cost fallacy to convince the people who had already bought it that they had totally added in all the shit they lied about including at launch.
Bethesda just abandoned starfield as a bad job

Cyberpunk, despite all the marketing lies, can actually be fun in its current state
Starfield is a fucking mess all over.

>>714264059
>le redditors!
I don't see why people like you try so hard to pretend to be "unique". You are already "special".

Cyberpunk had some grit at least. Starfield is like teletubbies in space

>>714263897 (OP)
I like a couple of things about Starfield, like the new game plus loop, the vanguard storyline about the terrormorphs and pulling off the big heist with the crimson fleet. And I guess exploring New Atlantis was okay too.

Most frustrating to me is how half baked some of the stuff is. As a crimson fleet member, I can resolve those settler/fleet radiant quests peacefully. Thought that was a nice detail and figured I could do something similar with the bounties, like I pick up the bounty, go to where the crimson fleet ship/captain is and tell them to lay low for a bit and they just fuck off. Nah, gotta shoot them down.

Game really should have focused more on it's already existing storylines and built upon that some more.

>>714274930
>Cyberpunk had some grit at least. Starfield is like teletubbies in space
This. The whole Starfield script reads like it was written by toddlers and then censored by HR

>>714264059
Fpbp

>>714263897 (OP)
Cyberpunk themes have more short attention span normalfag appeal because it usually incorporates violence, sex and transgenderism, you know, the kind of things that appeals to your average American consumer. Space barely appeals to anyone but dorks unless it has fantasy themes and hot alien girls to romance, which Starfield barely has the former and doesn't even have the latter without the aid of mods. Starfield in a sense is almost the equivalent a 90s interactive learning PC game like Math Blaster but is open world and intended for adults, and is maybe also the equivalent of your high school forcing you to attend a lecture on Astronomy. I mean sure, you get to learn about some shit regarding space, yet it's boring to most people, and honestly unnecessary unless you want to pursue that field and join an Astronaut program where you get to fly up to some space station orbiting Earth and spend months or years there looking at planets and stars.

>>714272727
You think it's funny how shit cyberpunk is? it's actually sad

>>714265315
>b-but it was bad once??? people m-must like it now because of anime, f-for sure, yeah...!
Do you actually believe this shit you retardditor kek