Rate the nu trilogy of Doom

Eternal > Dark Ages > 2016

*posts the dark ages boss fight where you're pressing a button to send that green projectile back at him over and over*
They all suck, literal god of war tier attack something till you can qte it to finish the kill. "glory kill" as it's called in this.

7/10, 5/10, 2/10

6/10, 6/10, 6/10

>>714264996 (OP)
8/10, 9/10, 8/10

>>714264996 (OP)
Why did the graphics not improve?

>>714264996 (OP)
2016(Absolute masterpiece) > Dark Ages (PowerFantasyExtreme) > shit > piss > endless void of ADHD weaponswap > Doom 3 > Eternal.

>2016
Awesome.
>Eternal
Fucking platforming sections every five minutes, what a stupid addition.
>The Dark Ages
Not one but two "cinematic" level types that are both criminally boring.

8/10
9/10
8/10

Eternal > TDA > 2016

In a vacuum TDA and 2016 are equal but since eternal exists and is a better version of 2016 i have less reason to revisit it

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 >>> Eternal

never gonna play Dark Ages because it looks like they tripled down on everything that made Eternal lame

>>714264996 (OP)
It gets the Star Wars OT rating. 2 > 1 > 3

Eternal > 2016
I haven't played DA yet, too busy with other games.

>>714266228
>they tripled down on everything that made Eternal lame
No, it's exatly the opposite. Give it a try.

Eternal > 2016 > Dark ages

I've only played 2016 so far, and just 1 hour btw

>>714266403
so they got rid of all the story and bing bing wahoo platforming?

>>714266496
Yes to the platforming, no on the story. They doubled down on making story important in a Doom game.

Eternal > DA > 2016 there is no way that 2016 is better than DA

>>714264996 (OP)
D16 - 5/10 with arcade mode being one of the game's redeeming features
Eternal - 9/10, TAG1 is peak nudoom
TDA - 7/10, waiting for the dlc and master levels

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 is actually DOOM. Fucking masterpiece. Nailed the general tone, fun gameplay, best music in the series

Eternal is decent but unfortunately zoomer coded with flashing lights, particle effects, and generally ADHD friendly gameplay. Also, bing bing wahoo

Dark Ages is not DOOM. It's just a soulless husk of a game. The fact that there's a shield on screen at all times is fundamentally opposed to "rip and tear," and the whole game is not in the spirit of Doomguy. Literally feels like it was made by third worlders. Just thinking about this game makes me sad.

eternal had the most kino enviroments and loop.

>>714266072
They did though?

>>714266857
forgot pic

>>714264996 (OP)
i loved doom 4. i liked doom eternal.
how would i feel about doom the dark ages? i didn't really like how hectic eternal tried to be. it just didn't feel intuitive or good to switch weapons constantly and just fly around with a shotgun hook with dashing doublejumps and spamming flamethrower and whatever the fuck else. it is overstimulating. a lot of the complaints i read about tda imply that its a step back from eternal in these regards, which i personally think is good, but i have a hard time justifying 70 dollars. especially, when doom 4 is 4 dollars and eternal is 10 dollars. like i just wait 2 years and its bargain bin pricing? why?
how do people feel about the sequel, now that uh, the dust has settled

>>714266123
Someone got FILTERED

>>714265531
First post a post

>>714266972
You should stick to turn based games honestly

>>714266496
Platforming is gone, story now at least comprehensible, and cinematics kinda cool.

>>714266850
>2016 is actually DOOM.
Ah yes, remember when 95% of the og doom levels were arena corridor shit with 5 enemies max per encounter?

D16fags have mental capacity of a 5 year old

its ok guys dlc episodes will fix it

2016>Dark Ages>nigger cum>Eternal

>>714266972
>It's bad for game companies to innovate

>>714266997
Finished it with TAG on Nightmare, your point?

>>714267382
Filtered!

Sure you did little buddy.

>>714264996 (OP)
4/10, 4/10, 6/10

>>714267147
Shut up lying nigger. 2016 was the best of the sequel trilogy. Has nothing to do with level design 20 years before it came out, fucking braindead retard

>>714267084
you are probably right. i've been playing a lot of pirate solitaire and balatro recently, and civilization revolution is still one of my favorite games. i should move into adventure/puzzle games honestly. ive been watching a streamer play blue prince recently and every time i start the next video i wonder why the fuck im not just playing it, it looks great

>>714264996 (OP)
DOOM2016 > DOOM: The BopIt Ages > Dew Maternal : BingRip&WahooTear

-1/10 -1/10 -1/10

>>714264996 (OP)
2016>Dark Ages>>>Eternal

>>714267778
>lying nigger.
Are denying that nudoom level design is nothing more than a corridor arena slop? You fucking console subhuman
>2016 was the best of the sequel trilogy.
>0 balance
>passive enemies
>retarded progression system
>dogshit level design
>dogshit visual design
>was the best
The absolute state

>>714267131
>story now at least comprehensible, and cinematics kinda cool.
The things I want the least in a doom game.
Who gives a fuck about the marvel-tier nu-doom story, legitimately? It's dogshit trite.
>Doom 1
>Marine disobeys orders to slaughter civilians
>gets sent to mars as punishment
>game start
>Doom 2
>Demons invade earth
>Kidnap Doomguys bunny
>Game start
There, miss me with that slopshit they are serving. I physically cringed everytime the """story""" took the front-seat in Eternal.

>>714264996 (OP)
>DOOM 2016
9/10

>DOOM Eternal
8/10

>DOOM The Dark Ages
7/10

Great reboot that somehow keeps getting worse by adding too much retarded story, cinematics, and pointless gameplay gimmicks
2016 had the best tone by a fucking mile, still serious horror themes that were lost by Eternal
Dark ages only had those in cosmic levels, thenb back to power rangers

>D44M
9/10
>Eternal
7/10
>Dark Ages
LOL

>>714264996 (OP)
16 > TDA > Eternal

>>714264996 (OP)
They're all trash and inferior to real Doom.

>>714264996 (OP)
Eternal>Dark Ages>2016

Dark ages is underrated.. mostly by people who didnt play it or didnt play on 150% speed

>>714266292
PT rating* 1 > 3 > 2

>>714269532
Haven't touched dark ages, agree with everything else.

>>714269237
Don't play retarded, I can wrap DA plot like that too:
>Doomguy gets out of Maykrs leash and goes to save the princess from a Hell Bowser
If you're so stubborn, press spacebar to skip.

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 > Dark Ages > Eternal

>>714264996 (OP)
Doom Eternal 8.5/10
Doom 2016 7/10
Doom The Dark Ages 5/10

Eternal is great, though it could have some polish on the DLC balancing, spirits only taking damage from microwave beam as a way to force players to use that mod is retarded game design.

Doom 2016 is nice but gets repetitive later on, and the levels start looking way too similar the more you advance on the game.

Doom The Dark Ages has a acceptable combat, and that's it, everything else is mediocre or absolutely horrible.

>>714269921
>If you're so stubborn, press spacebar to skip.
Ah I can skip the endless droning in my ear by Hayden by jumping? Must be a new update. Faggot.
The final Eternal DLC, being forced to listen to their gay larp, made me so flaccid, I think I lost a couple of inches.
Just the trailer of Dark Ages is everything I need to know, more marvel-tier THE AVENGERS LMAO slop, go eat piggie.

As someone who never played doom games I’ve tried to play all 3 games and I’ve found the 2016 doom game the best. I need to go back and finish the game

>>714269821
Its worth a try, but its just dosnt feel like a finished coherent product
the new parry gameplay is shallow as fuck, there is almost no enemy variety now that most of them are reclassified as fodder and dont do anything but stand in place, and since enemy weak points and limited ammo were removed, nothing stopping you from playing entire game with 1 gun and dumping upgrades into it

also nightmare feels like old Hurt me plenty, and you only die from enemies spawning behind you ( the removed audio coues for enemy spawns )

i plyed eternal and 2016 twice back to back, i stopped playing eternal halfway in, and had to force myself to finish it over a span of a week, good thing its the shortest of the 3, by the end i was so fucking tired of firghting the same fucking 3 enemies and those shitty fucking dragon and mech sections

if not for the space levels in second part and the fact the stopped deoing cinematics it would be a 5/10, but someone there must how figured out half shit first part is, and they just did eternal again for second part

>>714270454
I'll pass, if I feel like doom again I'll see if I can get Eternal's first DLC pre-nerfs. That was my peak doom.

>>714270010
>Doom The Dark Ages has a acceptable combat, and that's it, everything else is mediocre or absolutely horrible.

It feels like those low budget xbox 360 games.
That includes endless low quality cinematics (2 hours combined ), shitty vehicle sections that are just unskippable cinematics and even turret sections
Its clear the old designers left the studio, and with Hugo being now in charge he shows how shit of a game designer he is, he and Marty Starton are fucking cancer on that studio

shit, gay, retarded

>>714264996 (OP)
Eternal is such an improvement over 2016 is not even funny

You can complete 2016 on nightmare by just standing in a corner and spamming the laser weapon to anything that comes close because it either 1 or 2 shots all enemies.
There was no reason to ever use other weapons

>>714264996 (OP)
Uhhh, arcade, campaign mode, original mode.

>>714264996 (OP)
didn't play, 3/10, 5/10

>>714270804
if you want a challange then yeah, dont bother, you have to "make your own difficulty" for it to have any challenge, i played of 130% speed since 100% just feel like a joke
only problem is that all those sliders break the combat, so when you set it to max the gameplay loop makes 0 sense, legit would reccomend playing eternal instead to anybody who hasnt yet

Stream cuck here: when I watched Forsen play doom the Dark Ages on youtube, the quality of the graphics on a 1080p video was horrendous. I do not know who to blame but I think they should have made the game easier to run and this is probably the biggest problem: forced high tier GPU needed to play = I watch stream = I see dog shit graphics with artefacts and dog shit quality = i rate the graphics of the game really low - like 4/10

Now as gameplay it looked fine... like 8-9/10 for real: it did have a charm and it did look somewhat difficult.

I am not the main audience and i know it, but if you are going to make a game, make the requirements to run it, basically the Steam Deck otherwise you are at the mercy of youtube video encoding and you also lose players.

>>714271279
Is this bait?

The first 3 doom games are barely talked about here for some reason. Is there any particular reason for that?

>>714266403
>oooh, they turned SLAYA into a heckin zombie!
I didn't even understand that.

>>714268426
2016 felt like the studio heads going “the game is too complicated, it just dumbs things down”. It's also the last iteration to use mega textures and they've had to simplify the level design even further.

>>714271279
the game looks the same no matter the settings, its one of those game with fake settings where setting it from max to ,ow give syou 10% more fps and it looks the same
only thing that now matters is the ray tracing they added in a patch that cuts your fps in half
its a lazy console port

>>714271671
There's not much to talk about except when an interesting new wad comes out.
Doom 1 is still great, Doom 2 is still fine, Doom 3 is also great for what it tries to do.

>>714270817
Gameplay wise, I will give Hugo the benefit of the doubt because he wanted Eternal to be a challenging game and require constant movement and decisions from the player "if the player is not thinking, he's not engaged" I think he said that on Quakecon 2019 when playing Mars Core on live.

The problem with Dark Ages is simplifying everything while still trying to add more depth, and Hugo's obsession with Sekiro, he really wants to make his Sekiro fps game and he fucked up.

A fps with shmup mechanics + fighting game footsies sounds very experimental but fun, but unfortunately Dark Ages is a absolute disappointment.

Though I do admit that I'm hating his attempt to make his own exaggerated Warhammer universe at the cost of Doom, every piece of plot and lore after Eternal base game is absolutely boring to say the least.

>>714264996 (OP)
All gay

>>714271737
>2016 felt like the studio heads going “the game is too complicated, it just dumbs things down”.
So they added 10+ game mechanics.
Don't breed.

>>714271675
my problem is that why the fuck would there be demons in afterlife?
and why is it an incoherent mix of greek, egyptian and original mythology into something that makes 0 fucking sense

>>714271917
Doom 2016 is a seventh generation game with HD textures

>>714267198
What the hell is this design lol

>>714271339
no. game is shit to stream. i am not baiting. If they made the requirements lower, i would consider playing it, but right now it is a 480p looking shit on a video.
>>714271773
i just wish they optimized for lower end hardware.

>>714271675
Because people on internet told you that you cant have good time and that COOL GUYS only like the things other people told them to.

>>714264996 (OP)
7/10 good in beginning becomes stale by end, hard to play for longer periods
10/10 actually finished and really good, perfectly designed especially +ammo on finisher
3.5/10 modernized slop for women and disabled ((people))

>>714272215
nono, I really don't get it, they made a zombie slayer for absolutely nothing. he turns into a zombie and then comes back to live.
in fact I think they did it because "a zombie slayer would be cool". so it's totally out of the rest of the game, makes no sense.

>>714271871
Hugo wasnt the games director on eternal, he came after the game was mostly done, only on the DLCs he had full control and those were a mess
>The problem with Dark Ages is simplifying everything while still trying to add more depth
The problem is that they removed all combat complexity and didnt replace with anything. Even if they got parry timing right, then there is entire other half of the combat, the guns, that have 0 fucking depth.

For the story i have bigger problem with the fact ... it makes 0 fucking sense.
I mean if you didnt watch 10 lore videos on youtube on Eternal then ...

You have 0 fucking idea why the king is, who the maykers are, who is the betrayer. They show up ever 30 minutes in a couple minute long cinematic, stand in the background and do nothing.
The princess we spend entire game chansing ... does nothing, and shes dead by the next game.
Additionaly it fails to tie in with Eternal or 2016, we dont see the king die, the betrayer ... betray, or doom guy arive and be given his powers. On top we dont see him meet the wretch and be given his armor, nothing of the lore is here, retconned or forgotten about.
After playing it you know even less about the lore, as you start questioning if there is anything left that wasnt retconned.

>>714272203
Any dark scene with lots of moving detail will look awful on compressed video.
That being said going from over 200 to around 70 FPS is kick in the nuts, graphic settings are mostly placebo sliders.
Potato settings are only available via console.

>>714272203
>i just wish they optimized for lower end hardware.
why, the are making a console game, they dont give a fuck

>>714264996 (OP)
Haven't played > dropped > 8/10

>>714272549
>a zombie slayer would be cool
>"dude so angry he refuses the death"
>sense in a doom game
>BUT I DONT WANT THE PLOT
You don't know what you want. Play quake.

>>714272675
even if i have nothing negative to say about the game on its own, the fact that I thread this game harsher than many woke games i actively avoid should tell you that this is a bad strategy.

I will not buy the game, I will not pirate the game, I will not even watch stream with the game if possible.

This is the worst possible treatment i can give a game and I am not even critical of it. Lets checks how I thread Avowed or AS: shadows:
I will not buy the game, I will not pirate the game, I WILL watch stream with it, even look for different based streamers playing the same thing and laughing at their reactions.

As >>714272625 said: the game is dark and this video compression of it will be shit. Its not like Avowed that is so colorful that the 1080p video looks like 4k. I am just annoyed that my experience with the game ... if watching someone else fuck your game ( very cuck behavior ) ... was horrible and for the most part, I liked the game.

>>714273185
although in the future, say 5 years in the future I may play it. Just need prices of GPUs to go down... 5 years.

>>714266629
Lame

>>714271671
Because their discussion happens on /vr/ where there has been an ongoing general non-stop for like a decade

>2016
2/10
>eternal
2/10
>dark ages
not even gonna bother playing it

>>714272596
Hugo is the director of the Doom games since 2016 man, he didn't appeared only when most of Eternal was already finished.

I believe I saw on the bethesda website how a big complaint on Eternal was "too many buttons", so they wanted to make the gameplay more simple, hence Hugo focused a lot on that on The Dark Ages livestream before the release of the game.

Unfortunately it came at the cost of removing the complexity of the game. Personally I see no problem in making a more simple Doom game, the very first Doom is quite simple and it's still amazing, but if there's any way to make Dark Ages engaging with simplified inputs and tools, it's solely through level design and focusing on player positioning, and instead they just threw a fucking shield and repeated the same arena stuff we've been getting since 2016.


The only compliment I can give to Dark Ages is how they tried to make melee more relevant, but they repeated the "glory kill to melee" thing, so it ended being a only slightly less obnoxious blood punch

>>714273957
DA feels good on the controller, even better than other games. The guy from PC gamer who complained that DA felt like a ‘'console game’' was right, at least, I think it was a guy and not an A.I

>>714270945
>t.guy who just spent $600 on a Switch 2

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 was fun, but a sequel was unneeded beyond corporate greed. The story could have been finished in a single game.
Eternal gameplay was mid. They should have stopped there
Dark Ages isn't fun and doesn't even deserve it's small fanbase nor pricetag.

>>714272772
Filtereeeeeeed!

>>714274217
F-F-FILTERED!!

>>714274217
I think it was the other way around, 2016 was cash-grab, Eternal was a labor of love and with TDA we're back to cash-grab again. Hugo will probably leave the studio

>>714274442
Having 100% DA, I really don't think it was a cash grab. The atmosphere and set pieces are the best in the series. I think they were trying to appeal to the babies that complained about Eternal while still keeping it challenging, and it ended up being worse, but not a bad game by any means.

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 > TAG > Eternal > Dark Ages
All of them share similar core flaws that keep me from loving them. Like their insistence on garbage meant to increase player engagement, such as the progression system. It was so refreshing to fire up Amid Evil or Dusk and you just have your peak movement options available the moment you start the game (and yeah In-Flight Mobility and double jump should just be your default movement, nu-id are retarded). Unlike nu-Doom, those games don't force you to play half the game with training wheels on and an incomplete moveset that just feels like a different game compared to the later levels.

D16 - 8/10 Acceptable sequel, if not a bit bland. Much better than D3.
D:E with DLC - 9.5/10 TAG1 was peak. Shame for TAG2 being unfinished.
D:TDA - 8.5/10, GOAT map design, gameplay is great fuck the haters. Needs more content.

>>714271737
>2016 felt like the studio heads going “the game is too complicated, it just dumbs things down
What the fuck are you talking about
>It's also the last iteration to use mega textures and they've had to simplify the level design even further.
and? what does it have to do with gameplay

>>714264996 (OP)
I've tried getting into Eternal so many times, but its weapon and skill juggling doesn't feel fun. Barebones platforming and secrets, most of which are extra lives and notes you'll never read, are also obnoxious.
2016 feels too sluggish, like it's 15% slower than it should be.
Haven't played Dark Ages.

>>714266152
>Fucking platforming sections every five minutes
Everyone raves about weaponswapping and simon says combat but THIS was the really annoying part for me. Constant platforming sections and a lot of the time the game interrupting me to loredump or say something dumb.

>>714264996 (OP)
Dark Ages >>>>> Eternal > 2016

Zoomerniggers will never understand how it felt to play 2016 when it released

>>714273957
nope, he was in charge of narrative, he was made the director in late 2018 to help push it out the door, he was in charge of combat balance during that period ( at lest this is what he claims, we dont know how many devs worked on it )
then he was fully in charge on the DLCs
eternal was too many buttons for sure, flame and grenades were pointless and only useful on nightmare where all the armor matters

>slightly less obnoxious blood punch
i would say more, since the slowmo
glory kills may be annoying, until max difficulty and the remoxid maps, there i used it for breathing room when things gor hairy, i got a second or two to think or to reposition with i frames

>>714278110
>most of which are extra lives and notes you'll never read, are also obnoxious.
lmao you would hate dark ages, secret hunting is mandatory if you want to unlock weapon skills
its so fucking weird

>>714264996 (OP)
>>714265531
2016> dark souls 2>Dragon age veilguard> eternal > concord > dark ages

>>714264996 (OP)
2016: 8.5/10
Doom Eternal: 9.5/10
Doom Dark Ages: 6/10

>>714278168
>you VILL take a break from the gameplay
Amazing how they made this 100x worse with the mech and dragon in Dark Ages. New devs just need to piss off with this stuff. Quake never forces you to stop playing Quake for minutes at a time. And getting Eternalfags to admit that the platforming doesn't enhance the game is like pulling teeth.

>>714264996 (OP)
Almost an entire decade has passed, and the games look the same.

I would go
1. Doom/The Ultimate Doom
2. Doom 2016
3. Doom The Dark Ages
4. Doom 3
5. Doom 2
6. Doom Eternal
I have not played 64 yet.

>>714264996 (OP)
DOOM 2016
>solid 9/10
>DOOM Eternal
>pretty meh, shit game design and too reddit 5/10
>DOOM The Dark Ages
>haven't played yet because denuvo

>>714279725
I liked both the mech and the dragon. They're both handled well.

Im convinced 90% of the people who got pissy about dark ages just forgot to turn on always sprint

>>714280872
They weren't HORRIBLE but there should be an option to skip them. Peak filler content.

>>714272772
i leik ass

>>714281470
Agree to disagree I guess.

>>714279034
Nightmare is the real difficulty level. Any lower difficulty is just cope.

>>714264996 (OP)
Meh/10, Worst one in the series/10, is the only good NuDoom/10

>>714280872
They're extremely barebones and shallow.

>>714279878
except one of them requires exponentially more expensive hardware in order to run in the first place

>>714264996 (OP)
0/10
0/10
0/10

>>714264996 (OP)
Doom 2016 was good. Didn't play the others because they looked bad.

>>714281825
I thought they were fine, I seriously dont mind short breaks from the core gameplay loop to focus on simple spectacle for a few minutes, I dont need my shooters to be one long unbroken chain of combat encounters where you use the same mechanics from the start of the game to the end.

nudoom and eternal are 7/10
never bothered with dark ages

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 was ok
eternal was horrible
haven't played dark ages

>>714264996 (OP)
Doom16(C+) >Eternal(faggot shit) >dark ages(didn't play)

0/10 - 0/10 - 0/10

Permaban all zoomer filth

good, then great, then boring

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 is the only good game
the rest is unplayable slop

2016 was amazing in its time. No reason to play it anymore, it got completely overshadowed by Eternal, which is the shooter of the decade, fuck all of you. TDA is fine for one playthrough but it has no staying power at all, completely forgettable.

>>714282171
Yup because progress must happen even if blindly, even if it's just decay.

>>714264996 (OP)
2016: 8/10
Eternal: 10/10
TDA: 6/10

I gave up on Dark Ages 2.5 hours in and haven't touched it since launch. It's that fucking bad.

>Gameplay
Eternal > 2016 = TDA
>Everything else
2016 >>>>> TDA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eternal

Eternal is undeniably fun to play but everything about its narrative and aesthetic is so fucking terrible it almost made me physically angry

>>714286784
I agree with this. Eternal gameplay is peak. The art style is ehhhh not that great. I also love 2016 but the gameplay is just a tad too slow. TDA is fucking dumb and boring in every aspect.

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 is 7.5/10
2020 is 8.3
2025 is a 8.8

Hands down Doom dark ages is the most fun and most honest and true to the original gameplay. It has a ton of flaws, bugs and bad check points, but the gameplay loop originally puts it at 9.5. You must play on 140+ speed though.

>>714283995
I wish my humor was as dark as your skin

>D44M
8/10
Just solid all around although I regret the emphasis on battle arenas over exploration and the downgraded level design as a result.
>Eternal
5/10
Removed any remnant of exploration that were still in 2016, replaced by monkey bar sections, worse music, worse art direction, completely tone deaf while inflicting plain terrible lore dumps on me.
Combat is also a big downgrade by being based on MMO cooldowns. It is harder than 2016 so its apologists can claim "filtered" "filtered" even though it's still perfectly beatable *waits for infinite ammo chainsaw* but being harder doesn't mean it plays better *waits to spam freezing ray*.
>DA
Didn't play, won't play

>>714265531
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>714279034
I took a look at Doom 2016 credits and Hugo got credited as "creative director", do you have any source to back up your claims regarding his work on 2016 and Eternal ? Because it seems pretty plausible that he went from creative director in Doom 2016 to game director in the entire development of Eternal.

Also I think Dark Ages doesn't have i-frames on startup and recovery animation on melee, only on active frames, so I think you are being able to think what to do during the hitstop of the attacks, in theory the hitstop is useful but it's so long it becomes obnoxious.


Also Hugo said in Quakecon 2019 that Eternal is balanced towards nightmare, so that's the only difficulty that truly matters in the game.

Doom 2016 is a mediocre game until you get the double jump halfway in and it becomes the best game of 2016 by a wide margin and easily top5 best game of last decade without debate needed.

>>714264996 (OP)
why the fuck does eternal look like fucking oblivion here
16 does feel the prettiest here though

>>714291182
look up his linkedin or his interviews, he did a lot of them
he was a concept artist/writer turned game director
he got promoted at end of 2018 a bit under a year before game went gold

anyway, it was his ideas to add mechs, a lot of cinematics, cosmic levels and parry system, he said he will do it literally 5 years ago
though back then it sounded beter, before they shit the bed in production, i was actually looking forward to mech sections, didnt expect them to be on rails glorified cinematics with simple punching combat

Eternal is one of the best games ever made
Dark Ages is very good
2016 is pretty good

>>714271969
It is there just to explain why the demons sealed him in a casket instead of killing him.

>>714293924
Agreed. Any other opinion ousts you as bad at shooters.

>Doomguy
Based.
>The Doomslayer™
Cringe and gay.

>>714267430
DOOM is DOOM. it needs no (((innovation))), Zenimax bootlicker.

>>714269728
this post best post

>>714266932
It had more variation than 2016, but 2016 looked nicer to me.

>>714293296
While I didn't found interviews that explicitly prove your statement, I took a look at his LinkedIn and your comment is extremely more believable, I thought he was director at Eternal since the beginning of the development, not that he reached the position in late 2018.

I'm aware of his insistence into mechs because of his work on Pacific Rim, and how he always stated he wanted to put mechs into the franchise.

I don't know how he managed to fuck up the mech fights, considering it was his wish been ages, the punching lacks impact and is ridiculously repetitive because of the lack of movements from the player and the enemies. I saw on reddit some developer builds that leaked on the reddit "gaming leaks and rumors", and the mechs had skill trees and many more attack options, maybe as icing on the cake, the budget of the game was actually way smaller than in Eternal despite the game being longer.

Maybe in the future a brick will hit Hugo's head and he will make something good again like The Ancient Gods part 1, or at least, acceptable, like Ancient Gods Part 2.

>>714295201
>It's bad for game devs to try new ideas and evolve

TDA was the first game I've refunded in years, it just felt terrible to play.

I 100%'d both 2016 and Eternal on nightmare and loved both of them.

the webm that killed nu-Doom

>>714296142
What's wrong with this, exactly?

>>714296142
it is painful to watch

>>714279034
>flame which generates resource for your second healthbar and encourages you to deal massive damage to get most of the armor
>unlike shitty siphon grenade with equipment rune
>both grenades allow you to interrupt enemy attacks
>flame and grenades are useless
Imagine being a complete fucking retard

>>714296064
ITS DOOM AND DOESNT NEED NEW IDEAS OR EVOLUTION DICKHEAD SHOOT DEMONS SHOOT DEMONS SHOOT DEMONS

Best: Eternal
Okay: The Dark Ages
Worst: 2016

Anyone who puts 2016 above worst is shit at FPS, it's that simple.

>>714264996 (OP)
I've only played 2016 and Eternal (once, on release, on ultra violence).

I liked the some of the designs in Eternal more, I felt like they were good modernization/interpretations of OG doom stuff (Plasma Gun and Cyber Demon for example). The gameplay in eternal is definitely more "gamey" with how you need to manage resources, but I thought it was fun. I played on PC and have a lot of FPS experience, so I was able to enjoy the combat. Playing this on a controller seems like it would be a nightmare.

From what I remember, the biggest downgrade from 2016 to Eternal was how it felt like it abandoned the direction of the first game and went into this retarded fanfic tier story. I had whiplash playing it at the start, but the gameplay was fun, which carried the game. I hate being that person, but it was fun enough that I could turn my brain off/ignore all the retarded Doom Slayer/Angel shit.

The Dark Ages looks like it doubled down on all the stupid fanfic rip and tear shit, so I couldn't be more disinterested (even with it being free on gamepass).

>>714264996 (OP)
6/10 9/10 8/10

>>714296298
>>714296645

>>714264996 (OP)
2016>>>Eternal>>>>Dark Ages

>>714265531
2016 wins and i wish it was the Official doom 3 game

>>714297418
>The Dark Ages looks like it doubled down on all the stupid fanfic rip and tear shit
It did. It only marginally toned down the idiotic Doomfaggot wank from other characters. I consider it to be basically an alternate Doom Eternal.

>>714293296
WoW the retarded spic designer of 2016 cyberdemon fucked up the trilogy just like tetsuya nomura with kingdom hearts

>>714296142
>2 fucking hours of in game cinematics
>over 1 fucking hour of cinematics around random fags
>none of those faggots outside the girlboss get any spoken lines
>we have 0 idea who the fuck those clows even are

i just cant wrap my head around how badly writen this game is
if you fucking let a monkey loose on a keyboard there is a higher chance that it would string together a coherent sentence more logical than what we got
who the fuck are those fucking people? why do we keep cutting to them?

>>714299540
>we have 0 idea who the fuck those clows even are
Magic space viking centurions or some shit like that

>>714299540
>who the fuck are those fucking people?
Okay I get not liking this but how the fuck do you not know who they are when they spent the entirety of the last game constantly shoving them in your face at every turn?

>>714264996 (OP)
>Doom 2016
Decent game still plenty of map exploration and feel of classic doom
>Doom eternal
NuDoom slop, needly changes and boring ass area maps
>Dork age
Peak slop

>>714302926
>couldn't articulate at all why eternal was bad
yep, its because you're shit lmao

The Dark Ages was a good game that I found to be consistently fun. Eternal was mediocre but playable. 2016 was very solid all around and was only really let down by the limited level design.

>>714303347
>couldn't articulate at all why eternal was bad
yep, its because you're shit lmao

>>714297381
The shield is cool, parrying is fun, you should go play one of the billion Doom wads already available.

>>714302926
Fuh-fuh-fuh-FFFFFFIIIILLLLLTTTTTEEEEERRRRREEEED!!!!!!!!

>>714303542
How is this in any was a response to my post? Did you meant to reply to me?

>>714264996 (OP)
>Doom 2016
good
>Doom Eternal
wtf happened
>Doom the Dork Ages
why did they make this?

>>714303665
Whoops that was meant for >>714296960

>>714303774
>why did they make this
To showcase my brand new RTX 5070 12GB

>>714303497
Eternal wasn't bad, just very flawed. All the changes felt like massive over corrections to minor complaints people had with 2016. The more varied enemies and destructable parts system was great but the changes to the combat loop felt extremely limiting, which in turn made the entire experience feel very linear. It got especially silly in the DLC where their response to people not liking the obviously bad weapon mods they chose to add enemies that force you to use those mods instead of actually improving them.
TLDR: I want the freedom to develop my own playstyle and not spend the whole game with the developers boot on my neck.

Video game enjoyer here. They're all good.

>>714302926
>still plenty of map exploration and feel of classic doom
Lmao
The only "exploration" in d16 are guns that you can get early. Gauss cannon has ultra retarded placement tho
>you can get it early at the end of mission 5
>but you also get it 2 mins into mission 6
What's the point

>>714264996 (OP)
Loved 2016
Eternal felt like a chore to play, endless cutscenes and boring platforming
I haven't played Dark Ages

>>714304331
>but the changes to the combat loop felt extremely limiting,
What changes you fucking retard
You had mmo cooldown equipment in d16
You had to glorykill in d16 to get resources

The only difference is that you can " neutralise" some enemies by shooting their canons and enemies are not punching bags this time

>>714304331
>but the changes to the combat loop felt extremely limiting
How is it extremely limiting to give purpose and value to all of your toolkit?
>I want the freedom to develop my own playstyle and not spend the whole game with the developers boot on my neck.
No, you want to repeat the same actions for every enemy for the entire game because you're too shit to learn how to spend your resources optimally.

>>714281025
nah you give people too much benefit...
in reality they didnt even play it and just go with whatever the internet/ecelebs tell them the game is... most of who actually also didnt play the game and just talk for the hate clicks

>>714278939
Oh no! the horror of not being able to play utter slop. Anyway

>>714278939
>will never understand how it felt to play 2016 when it released
>you got painkiller wannabe with high budget instead of a doom game
Grim

>>714304656
You are silly
>>714304691
>How is it extremely limiting to give purpose and value to all of your toolkit?
Because they didn't actually do that
>No, you want to repeat the same actions for every enemy for the entire game because you're too shit to learn how to spend your resources optimally
All roads lead to Rome anon. Forcing "optimized" play just turns the weapon sandbox into a series of math problems where there's one predetermined correct answer for everything.

>>714305552
>no argument
Yikes

>>714266072
Because RT is a scam so they can sell you graphics cards for more that do less.

>>714286784
So TDA has better artstyle, characters, music and story than Eternal? Are you sure you want to lock your answer?=

2016 was the best
then it became a really shitty shooter
>press f to obtain armor/health/ammo
mandatory bullshit

All shit

>>714303774
>>714305934
This
2016 Doom had a good story and pacing, good shooting too

After that i went downhill with literally everything

>>714264996 (OP)
Bait used to be believable.

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 > Shiternal > Zoom the Onions Ages.

>>714305552
>Because they didn't actually do that
Which is it anon? You're allowed to play how you want and make your own playstyles or the game has optimal solutions to problems which good players exploit to get the most out of their resources. It can't be both.
>Forcing "optimized" play just turns the weapon sandbox into a series of math problems where there's one predetermined correct answer for everything.
Yes, that is quite literally the game you retard. The game is about:
1) Spending your low resource pool optimally by exploiting weaknesses and using your entire toolkit
2) Avoid wasting resources by avoiding taking uncessary damage
3) Generating new resources by playing aggressively.
You don't have all of the answers at the start of the game, and mastery of the game is knowing the solutions to all the problems.
What you want is to use 10% of your toolkit on 100% of the problems because you're shit at games. There are countless games that already do this, just admit you're too shit for Eternal and shut the fuck up.

>>714306379
BSD

>>714306381
>doom is now a builder spender game

i remember when doom was just about shooting demons n stuff

>>714296771
He said it's useful for nightmare mode which you do play nightmare mode right anon? Don't tell me you never touched nightmare mode

>>714306465
That game still exists you faggot, and there are thousands upon thousands of maps and WADs for you to play.
OG Doom was a paradigm shift and mastered the map-based finite resource gameplay.
Nu Doom is another paradigm shift and Eternal mastered single player FPS combat.

>>714306201
>good pacing
>looks you twice in a room while robot dumps exposition on you
lol

>>714306583
and? These tools are good even before nightmare
>nightmare
Finished game on UN twice. Take your oinionscasm and fuck off

>>714306465
Micromanaging resources was one of the og doom design pillars
>when doom was just about shooting demons n stuff
Codslop might be up your alley.

>>714304331
Be honest, you just want to use the SSG for the entire game.

>"2016 was so heckin' good bro's!!!!"
Meanwhile, in reality...

>>714266403
>every living scene barely has scowling brow
>becomes zombie instant 11/10 scowling brow
Western artists are such stupid fucking faggots.

>>714304691
how many of those tools translated to marauder shields specially freeze grenade and the fucking crucible sword that you cant use against that faggot even stuned after parry?!

>>714308047
you do that with marauder shields without plasma stun and you clap

>>714267147
And Eternal is better with 100% arena/corridor shit with a max of 5 enemies on screen at a time? Fuck off with that shit.

>>714308885
Just use the rocket launcher you fucking moron.

>>714308842
arnold plastic mask in terminator 1 was scary after getting shot in the eye

>>714309087
it parry it unless you autistically use it as mortar parry bait wow

>>714306381
>Which is it anon?
Most of your kit in eternal is flat out poorly designed for how the game plays, having no clear purpose compared to their alternatives.
>Yes, that is quite literally the game you retard.
Yes? Im saying I'm not a fan and explaining why. Why are you getting so angry?
>>714307632
Plasma gun actually. God I love the doom plasma gun.

>>714265531
Fpbp

I played Doom 3 Phobos and its amazing how well ID tech 4 holds up

>>714307632
you can use it for entire game but you need infnite ammo or chainsaw to make it work

>>714307402
it was shotgun if not rocket launcher and tear

>>714309238
>Most of your kit in eternal is flat out poorly designed for how the game plays, having no clear purpose compared to their alternatives.
Your complete inability to be explicit in how 'most' of your kit in Eternal is 'flat out poorly designed' tells me everything I need to know. You're full of shit.
>Im saying I'm not a fan and explaining why.
You have completely failed to explain why. It was ME that told you why, its because you want to solve games using just 10% of your given toolkit because you're shit at at games. Games that ask you to master your entire kit and simply too challenging for you.
Just admit that, then you never have to give your worthless opinion on Eternal ever again. All you need say is "I'm too shit to grasp Eternal, so I my opinion is worthless".

>>714307402
micromanagaement its more quake 1 with that gay edgy guns firepower and some monster having explosivearmor or need frag to die

>>714272042
it's the "we want the turok audience" design

>>714309212
>unless you autistically use it as mortar parry bait
so being good at the game is being "autistic" now? you have chugged way too much cope anon

I miss him, bros.

>>714306909
thats why everyone want to kill that robot in eternal not turn it into your comedic singularity angel sidekick that says you cant bfg mars then a shit final boss in dlc that preludes the dumbest doom creature OCdonutsteel

>>714309420
I know. It's why 2016 is unbalanced. I just beat it on Nightmare using only the pistol and grenades. Eternal forcing you to use weapons as tools for different applications is a good thing.

>>714264996 (OP)

>>714310117
KEK

>>714309953
Yeah, the Aggadon Hunters just weren't the same.

>>714310225
DLC gonna go back and i hope its so easy to rape as the lizard KEK

>>714310117
Based

>>714309802
No its an autist spic that cant get tardwrangled

>>714264996 (OP)
they are all garbage

>>714309030
>And Eternal is better with 100% arena/corridor shit
Yes, because there is no giant arena triggers (gore nests) and visual variety
>eternal
>5 enemies max
Nice joke

>>714310392
>he said as he booted up his Switch 2

>>714265531
reverse that and its good.

>>714309659
>Your complete inability to be explicit in how 'most' of your kit in Eternal is 'flat out poorly designed'
Mobile turret, MBE, RD rockets, auto shotgun, the one for the balista thats so forgettable I forgot what its called, most of the runes, the fucking unmaker. They're all obviously weaker options which are competing with obviously superior ones.
>You have completely failed to explain why. It was ME that told you why, its because you want to solve games using just 10% of your given toolkit because you're shit at at games. Games that ask you to master your entire kit and simply too challenging for you.
Anon I beat the game, I thought it was fine but that it had problems. I take issue with the decision to force the same sequence of events for every combat encounter, I take issue with the map design and the focus on platforming that feels intrusive at best, I take issue with the limited resources, and I take issue with them restricting my access to the BFG. I am not a fan of any of these changes but I still thought the game was okay, just not as good as 2016 or dark ages. Please stop acting like a hysterical woman.

>>714312185
FE-FI-FO-FILTERED!

>>714264996 (OP)
2016 - 8/10
Eternal - 10/10
The Dark Ages 7/10

>>714308842
ok but the left one looks cool and thats what mattres

I thought people hated Dark Ages but people ITT seem to have come around on it
Should I give it a try? I heard it was absolutely horrible

>>714312264
>Tight game mechanics are BAD!

>>714264996 (OP)
TAG1 > Eternal > TAG2 > 2016 > Dark Ages

Eternal is literally the best FPS ever made, and TAG1 was the same but better. Shame about TAG2 being a snoozefest because of the Hammer.

2016 is fun if you like being oneshotted by random Imp fireball at the start, then getting god mode by midgame that completely trivializes the rest of the game. And I mean completely, the last 2 levels are irrelevant because of Rich Get Richer.

Dark Ages is piece of shit only liked by those who think Souls games are peak design. Slow ass shit with parry mechanics isn't Doom.

>>714312406
It's good. It's not as good or challenging as Eternal, but it's fun, and the level atmosphere is top notch. The Hell levels are the best in the series IMO.

>>714312406
TRY GAMEPASS SAAAARRR!

>>714264996 (OP)
>2016
At least it's not COD/10
>Eternal
The pinnacle of the genre.
>TDA
A bit of a mess. I prefer the gameplay over 2016 but it's such a step down from Eternal why fucking bother?

>>714312417
Yes when the flagship enemy its marauder shields and 1/3 of boss fight are maruder shields bigger cousins

>>714312504
Is it possible to beat TAG 2 without the hammer?

>>714312417
You're a silly billy

>>714312879
unless you use commands to kill final boss nope

>>714295604
>I don't know how he managed to fuck up the mech fights, considering it was his wish been ages, the punching lacks impact and is ridiculously repetitive because of the lack of movements from the player and the enemies. I saw on reddit some developer builds that leaked on the reddit "gaming leaks and rumors", and the mechs had skill trees and many more attack options, maybe as icing on the cake, the budget of the game was actually way smaller than in Eternal despite the game being longer.
There is a lot of shit thats not used. Modders found still in game files of on foot fights against mechs, you got guns that you barely use and every encounter is the same repetitive dance
he fucked up the same way the Calisto protocol director fucked up here, punching in a shooting game is reatarded if you dont have depth.

They should have played vermintide 2 to see how meele should look in first person, it must be hard, complex, unpredictable and with great sound design to not rely on on screen prompts. Fatshart is a shit devs, but they are masters of first person combat, every dodge ius indicated by a sound cue, and enemy animation, no fucking glowing green shit needed.

Hugos lack of design experience shows, being a writer/story director isnt the same as being a game designer, he has 0 idea what makes for engaging combat.

>>714312761
Sorry to hear you got....FUH FUH FUH FILTEREDDDDD!!!

>>714312927
I am but I also have good taste in FPS.

>>714299540
WHY IS THERE CINEMATICS IN MY DOOM GAME
I WANT TO DO THE COOL SHIT, NOT LOOK AT OTHERS DOING THE COOL SHIT
WHAT KEK PHILOSOPHY IS THIS

>>714312264
>They're all obviously weaker options which are competing with obviously superior ones.
You're in this completely broken mindset that there is a "best" for everything. It really highlights just how much you don't understand this game. You clearly looked up some guide on "what is the best" because you're too shit to learn to toptimally use your entire toolkit.

>>714264996 (OP)
dogshit
dogshit
dogshit
conclusion: nu-doom is dogshit pajeet shit on street and their garbage in their rivers

>>714312504
>Eternal is literally the best FPS ever made
kys zoomer cunt

>>714313687
I'm 38 and was playing games before you were born, kid.

>>714313262
Anon doom eternal was clearly designed around using the best gun for every situation. And no, I learned it the hard way.

>>714269921
can you not see how even when reduced to such a simple statement its still so much worse than the original games? the other games you can sum up their story in a sentence and anyone would get it. for nu-doom you would need to elaborate. its slop and I get second hand embarrassment just listening to it. I don't know anyone who likes it I don't know why they double down on it with each new game

>>714313687
I share his opinion and I am 39. I've been playing FPS since the OG Doom. Eternal is an objectively good shooter and if you become good at it, you will find those skills translate directly to being good at other arena FPS.

>>714305683
RT is one of the few graphic improvements thats not just BIGGER DICK at least it actually does something that mirrors real life and has some degree of irregular forms to it.

>>714271675
generic dead man rather than defined white male

>>714271675
>And then John was a zombie.

2016 was great.

Eternal has objectively the best gameplay of the trilogy, improved on 2016's in every way. But it also has such an ugly UI, platforming sections that are just meh, and they doubled down on the knockoff mcu story that everyone (rightfully) ignored in 2016. Despite all this its the best out of the three.

TDA was so boring I didn't finish it. Crazy how you can make Eternal and then churn out this slop. And they doubled down on the shitty story so hard there are cutscenes nearly at the start and end of every single level. You can skip them, but they shouldn't be there in the first place.

In 2016 it starts off with doomguy saying "fuck you" to the plot and all the loreslop was in the background. And now starting in Eternal and definitely in TDA the shitty marvel lore is central to the entire game. What changed? Genuinely who likes this shit? I only hear bad things or indifference about it.

>>714316440
As a Eternal enjoyer, I had fun with Dark Ages. The weapons are insanely OP once you upgrade them, and shitting all over heavy demons with them is fun. The atmosphere in DA is top notch IMO. Really excellent art direction.

>>714266072
Why should they?