>I became a Jarl with the stated intention of being the leading defender of the Altmer in Skyrim

>>714283116 (OP)
Mom, I posted it again

Ulfric wanting to secede from the Empire to better fight the Dominion is really stupid and I'm surprised so many people fall for it.
>yes, let's take my shithole of a province populated by 5 people, sever it from its only source of proper protection, and then declare war on the most powerful nation in Tamriel that we couldn't beat when we were actually part of the Empire.
Truly a masterful statesman with a real understanding of geopolitics.

>retards still argue about this stupid civil war shit
Skyrim ruined the nords

>>714285671
Worked for Hammerfell.
The lore already proved that the provinces are unironically more capable of defending themselves on their own than when they're part of the Empire.

>>714285671
Hammer fell literally won a war and beat the Thalmors ass what makes you think Skyrim couldn't do it either? the empire is literally useless at this point when Skyrim is taking place its straight up falling apart my guy.

>>714283116 (OP)
>side with Ulfric
>Thalmor get kicked out of Skyrim
>side with Empire
>Thalmor get to keep up Mossad operations in Skyrim with Imperial approval
I truly don't get this video or how much normalfags hate Ulfric

>>714288097
>Worked for Hammerfell
Hammerfell specifically received support from 'Imperial deserters', which was the Empire's way of providing support while legally getting around the Concordat. It's ironically the inverse of what Ulfric is doing in Skyrim; Hammerfell coordinated with the Empire to pretend they were rebelling and instead lured the Dominion into an ambush.
Furthermore Hammerfell is not a particularly hospitable locale, while the worst part of Skyrim is that it snows a lot in the north.

>>714291914
and we see in Skyrim that Altmer receive support from the "Imperial Legion"

>>714292185
>Altmer boss the Empire into sending a Legion 'in accordance' with their peace treaty
>It's clearly the Dominion working to weaken the Empire by depriving it of a Legion as the Altmer sabotage it and support the Stormcloak's rebellion
>Empire sends a Legion that's underequipped and undermanned, but is led by General Fucking Tullius
>Tullius takes no shit from the Altmer and immediately begins sourcing volunteers and resources on-site in Skyrim
>His efforts almost immediately scare Ulfric, who expected an easy win from a weakened Empire, shitless
>Within WEEKS of the campaign starting, Tullius has Ulfric captured and ready to be executed as a common rebel
>Even as it's happening the Thalmor are desperately trying to pull rank on Tullius to 'confiscate' Ulfric so they can transport him away and secretly facilitate his 'escape'
>Tullius takes none of their shit and proceeds anyways, and only literal draconic intervention manages to stop him

>>714283116 (OP)
>I was taught in an abbey "those who bless the elves are blessed, and those who curse the elves are cursed."

>>714285671
>that we couldn't beat when we were actually part of the Empire.
to be fair, the dominion never got that far. Skyrim is literally on the other side of Tamriel

>>714291914
>Hammerfell specifically received support from 'Imperial deserters',
This is a Mandela effect of fans misinterpreting a single line from a book that was written by a biased source.
What happened is that a few years before the White-Gold Concordat was signed, there were troops in Hammerfell. Most of these troops were likely local conscripts (i.e. Redguard warriors) because that's how the Legion operates. When the order came down to abandon Hammerfell so all of the legions could reinforce Cyrodiil, a SINGLE GENERAL allowed SOME of ONE of his legions to stay behind and desert.

This occurred two years before the concordat was signed. Hammerfell seceded from the Empire afterwards. And the Empire didn't help them after that because the Empire DID NOT WANT THEM TO SECEDE. Hammerfell was upset at the Empire for selling them out, hence why they seceded. If those "deserters" were still alive by this point in time, they would have most likely been Redguard soldiers, anyways (because most legions are local, and foreign troops would have no reason to desert to defend someplace that wasn't even their homeland). So, they would have been fighting for Hammerfell, anyways. It wasn't Imperials from Cyrodiil staying behind to protect Hammerfell, it was some of the Redguards that the Cyrods were stealing to defend their own lands.

>Hammerfell coordinated with the Empire to pretend they were rebelling and instead lured the Dominion into an ambush.
Absolute headcanon. This is never described in any book. The Redguards 100% resent the Empire and give them a ton of shit for being cowards and selling out their most loyal subjects (Nords and Redguards).
>the worst part of Skyrim is that it snows a lot in the north.
Yeah, it's not like the only ways to entre Skyrim are through a mountain chain described as so treacherous it destroyed the Remans or an ocean literally called the Sea of Ghosts

>>714289435
It isn't normalfags, it's failed normalfags. Normalfags also prefer the stormcloaks, it's just redditfags and other such low T monkeys that cry about them.

>>714296087
The minds of empirecopers are truly enigmatic, they will contort to any shape to defend their dead empire with no emperor or dragon blood

>>714296087
>This is a Mandela effect of fans misinterpreting a single line from a book that was written by a biased source.
You just described 90% of skyrim civil war talking points on the internet.