the great debate

>>714309101 (OP)
I only played golden eye so that one. The other two are probably gay since I didn't play them

>>714309101 (OP)
PD>

>which one transitioned the most people

Perfect dark. The complexity of the multiplayer amd the programmable bots is still unmatched to this day.

Goldeneye was great for just boot it up and go but if you wanted the most kino experience you were setting up bots. We made a zombie mode where it was i thnk 8 bots set to only use fists and if they hit you it would disarm your current weapon and youd get a dizzy effect on your screen and youd hear the mob of npcs chopping because for some reason they just constantly chop the air until they hit something and it was such a good time.

>>714309101 (OP)
Time to split baby

all trash, quake 64 literally exists

Goldeneye shouldn't even be in the running, but I think it walked so perfect dark could run.

>>714309101 (OP)
Goldeneye. Perfect dark perfected the gameplay but the alien shit and a lot of the levels were gay. Timesplitters is a non factor between the two. Goldeneye is overall more memorable and culturally relevant even if the gameplay style is perfected in PD and the graphics better

Is the Xbox 360 port of Perfect Dark any good?

>>714309101 (OP)
No Timesplitters Future Perfect?

>>714309101 (OP)
I'll take any Time Splitters over Rare 64 FPS games.

>>714309101 (OP)
Goldeneye X

>>714311018
it plays more like modern fps

Perfect Dark on PC is the best

>>714309101 (OP)
There was never a debate.

>>714314170
not the same style of gameplay

>>714316408
You're right, it had better gameplay. The sequel was arguably even better too. Goldeneye and Perfect Dark were baby shit with auto aim and dogshit controls (even for back in the day).

>>714316845
shooting is not the main thing in these games, it's about figuring out the objectives.

>>714317102
Turok is about more than shooting too, there's a lot of pretty tight platforming and the maps are complex, finding all your key items and taking them to where they need to go is arguably a bigger part of Turok than the shooting itself is.

Quake or UT

>>714309101 (OP)
Perfect Dark has the best campaign and weapons
Timesplitters has the best minigames and multiplayer
Goldeneye is the most iconic
All are absolute classics
Gun to my head though and I'd definitely give it to Perfect Dark

>>714317274
Poocock sucks.

>>714309101 (OP)
whats there to debate

Perfect dark is better than goldeneye but the framerate is even worse, so are you talking about release or modern methods of playing it

Here's a debate. How do we stop people who never had an n64 from shilling timesplitters. It's just an ok kid friendly fps.

>>714317274
>finding all your key items and taking them to where they need to go is arguably a bigger part of Turok than the shooting itself is.

I completely believe you that finding things in a game where the fog starts 10 feet away takes most of your time

>>714319221
I can't imagine liking GoldenEye and PD but not TS. Did you only play the first game?

>>714309101 (OP)
Goldeneye for frame rate, Perfect Dark for multiplayer, Time Splitters for levels.

>>714309101 (OP)
Goldeneye is much better than Timesplitters. I thought the TS games are kinda mediocre honestly.

Still gotta play Perfect Dark. Btw I just saw the reboot got cancelled, does anyone even care?

TS is PD perfected, but levels arent as open.

>>714309101 (OP)
anyone here played second sight?

>>714309101 (OP)
The things Perfect Dark did at the time were voodoo

>>714309101 (OP)
Perfect Dark had a better story and campaign, but TS (especially 2) had way more charming characters and lighthearted nonsense. Joanna (visually) ain't got SHIT on this cast.

>>714320243
>does anyone even care
no lol
Everwild and Perfect Dark, the games MS cancelled today, were in development for like 7-8 years each with literally nothing to show for it, it's preposterous they weren't cancelled years ago. Either the developers were supremely incompetent, or Microsoft mismanaged them to an apathetic sluggish death. Both are probably true.
Perfect Dark's reveal trailer last year was also mostly just vapid FPS-ish garbage that was clearly hacked together from CGI and an idealised vertical slice. It didn't suggest anything that resembled the cool 90's techno spy vibe of the original, none of the same gameplay systems or open ended, intricate level design, gameplay objectives etc.
It looked like a generic mishmash of modern FPS trends with a cleaner colour palette and a manjawed girlboss hag of a Joanna Dark.
All the design philosophies that made those Rare/Free Radical FPS's fun are gone forever, only vaguely present in the scarce few 'immersive sims' that get released.

>>714319827
That's probably right. I tried one TS game so it would've been the first one. It was like playing an airsoft game where enemies play dead. Just wasn't interested from there. I would've never thought blood was necessary in any FPS, but it made me realize enemies dieing in the way your brain expects really matters.

>>714314170
Turok and South Park on N64 actually make me want to kill myself with how bad the controls are

>>714322084
It was better than having what was essentially tank controls with one stick unless you were one of the madmen who actually used 2 controllers.

>>714322313
You don't have to use two controllers. Use the profile thats left dpad + right stick. It's basically modern FPS controls with digital movement.

>>714320895
pfft haha haa

>>714322690
What part are you laughing at? Joanna looks like the lady in line ahead of you at the supermarket (before they went off the deep end and lit her hair on fire for Zero).
If you're saying Timesplitters' campaign is better, I might be able to agree with that. It did a lot of cool stuff, it just didn't feel like a coherent story in 2, just disjointed nonsense.

>>714322579
Yeah, most FPS let you do this, and it made the N64 great for shooters compared to the PlayStation. Even using the PS ball mouse peripheral, I still prefer the N64's analog stick.

>>714309101 (OP)
Timesplitters 2 any day of the week. I'll take a good shooter that's just a good shooter any day of the week over a bunch of imsim bullshit slapped together with lame action.

It's lame action in the first two, don't delude yourself. What was your favourite firefight, the one where you gunned down everyone as soon as they entered your field of view because the games are so slow and committed to realism that it can't mechanically handle aggressive enemies that don't immediately die?
That's stealth-action for you, always a shit genre combination, always has been.

is there any pc port for goldeneye? I know perfect dark got decompilation port and Timesplitter got GOG release

>>714324482
>Timesplitter got GOG release
What the fuck? No it didn't. Why would you lie to me like that?

>>714324482
Only a multiplayer mod
https://youtu.be/CSd_m3sMYHI?si=WEXPac1zq6m5FJ_4

>>714326025
I only played it a little while, but it was great. They turned the second half of Facility into its own multiplayer map... and it worked!

>>714326142
I've been meaning to play it for years but keep forgetting, currently downloading and will give it a go this weekend, hope there's people still playing it.

>>714325621
yes it does you dumb shit

>>714323612
I haven't really played TS2 but doesn't share the same design as the other two games since it had some of the same developers from Rare?

>>714310808
I like it, but unless Im retarded and missed the setting, you can't have as many bots.

>>714326848
Fucking where?

>>714309101 (OP)
Timesplitters 2 completely mogs Goldeneye in campaign and PD in multiplayer.

>>714309101 (OP)
2 was better than 3 but I'm still going with this kino

>>714330629
ts2 campaign sucks but ts3's is good

>>714309101 (OP)
Goldeneye for Multiplayer death matches.
Timespliters 2 for bot matches
Perfect Dark for single player

>>714328239
i think you have to unlock the option to double the bots by playing more of the combat simulator, which is also how it works in the original game IIRC.

TS2 easily. all it's missing is the gun in PD that shoots through walls.

>>714309101 (OP)
I like all of those games and I have played them a lot but Perfect Dark is my favorite one.