My Deltarune, why does it feel like Suselle was written badly on purpose??

>>714310201 (OP)
Noelle likes Susie but also Kris. Kris likes Susie. Ralsei likes Kris but also Susie. Susie likes being around her friends.

Because she is. Her entire thing is an unhealthy romantical obsession with someone who barely knows what a friend is.
The woke side of the internet is going to lose their minds when they realize their beloved ship will never happen.

>>714310469
Tea route conbined with Toby's ancient Susie text kind of hint that Krusie is the main ship.

Not sure what Suselle is doing here. I feel like it's so forced and visible in order to create drama, like Sans with Toriel. Noelle doesn't have enough reasons to be this obsessed with Susie. If she was rescued by her or something, it would make sense, but she literally started to like her after she bullied the shit out of Kris.

>>714310816
Toriel getting it on with Sans is a lot more natural than Suselle

>>714310816
>Not sure what Suselle is doing here. I feel like it's so forced and visible in order to create drama, like Sans with Toriel.
Welcome to mirrors! Susie is to Noelle what Sans is to Toriel - a way to escape their own personal issues. Toriel hooks up with Sans because of the stress she's dealing with from her divorce, even though what she's actually doing is extremely unhealthy and will not make her happy in the long run. Likewise, Noelle being obsessed with Susie is because she's desperate to find someone who can save her from the intense pressures and burdens her mother puts her under, despite having absolutely no real connection to Susie at all.

>>714310816
Susie reacts to the other party members’ teas the same way. She just seems clueless about romantic stuff and likes the fact that people want to be around her for the first time in her life. There’s obviously romantic tension between her and Kris (the hair sniffing/biting stuff) as there is with Noelle (Ferris wheel date and house date) but in both situations Susie seems almost completely unaware of the implications since her social awareness and experience are limited.

>>714310816
>Kris tastes like apples
>Susie tastes like grapes
Grape Apple is the taste of Krusie?

Is this the thread?

>suselle bitching thread #9876354672891387246
Yeah this one's gonna suck ass.

>>714312012
But it does. If Chara fulfills the prophecy, it's only because you chose to make it happen, you chose them to play the role of the angel, when you could've just as easily chosen Asriel for that role to get a better outcome. When the player exists as a force in-universe, then you kind of have to accept responsibility for the outcome of your choices. If you see yourself as completely divorced from the narrative, as just an passive observer in events, then you're kind of missing the point of the whole game.

>>714312302
I want to abandon, yeah.

>>714312187
'fraid so

Toby fox if he didn't have that fever dream.

>>714310506
>The woke side of the internet is going to lose their minds when they realize their beloved ship will never happen.
Lolno. Tumblr is abandoning the ship and Reddit makes Noelle cuckchair memes now.

>>714312615
>needs to specify monogamous
What is that there to rule out

>>714312302
This is Krusie
While Suselle is Ed,Edd&EddyxNazz

>>714312309
>you chose them to play the role of the angel,
Then you're conceding the player isn't the Angel. I accept your concession.

I can be your angle….or yuor devil

>>714312560
nah he would still be working in homestuck or something else

>>714310201 (OP)
>GUYS SUSELLE
>GUYS NONBINARY
>GUYS SWEET CRAP'N CAKES
SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHUT!!!!!!!!! UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>714312309
>When the player exists as a force in-universe,
Headcanon btw.

>This phone call happens
>Carol shows up at the house two minutes later
>Grown adult men are somehow too fucking stupid to connect the dots about what's going on here, even after Carol molests Kris on the way out the door
Was it autism?

>>714312713

>>714312615
Tobert can't be this thick. It must be his version of KorraxMako, some visible cringe ship meant to be buried as the story progress. Sans and Toriel also seem to only exist to make Asgore move the plot in chapter 5.

>>714312615
>Noelle cuckchair memes

>>714312829
>GUYS SWEET CRAP'N CAKES
I don't think I've seen anyone mention those faggots at all in all the threads about the new chapters.
They're completely forgotten at this point, as they should be.

>>714312836
Its such as a headcanon that its a plot point in both games whether things go to hell or not. No undertale or deltarune fan actually played the games that inspired Toby to make his.

>>714312836
>you move the little heart around
>when you attack the susie and ralsei sprites kris looks back through the fourth wall at you
>headcanon

>>714310816
Did you not look at your own image? Noelle gets 400 from Susie. Kris gets 120 from Susie, the same number Susie gets from everyone.

>>714312713
main 3 polyamory ships is SusiexKrisxNoelle and SusiexKrisxRalsei

>>714313042

>>714311970
>actually Kris called a completely different person to continue talking about the same subject they were talking about earlier
Kris calls up Carol and tells her Susie has Dess's guitar, it doesn't need to be some spontaneous continuation of a different subject.

If anything that makes it more likely to be two different people. Think about it, if it was Carol talking earlier, wouldn't she had headed round earlier? She wouldn't have wanted Susie in her house regardless, especially if she was actively keeping Susie from finding the code. Why wait until she's told Susie got her hands on the guitar? It might have been too late then.

>with exactly the same evil-ass white on black text box effect
Funny thing about that. It's different to the way the phone conversation is presented at the end of the snowgrave route, which was also Carol talking. So either we ignore the way the phone is presented because it's simply Toby's way of misleading people. Or we use it as evidence which would then mean it's a different person to Carol anyway.

>>714312959
Carol shows up at the same time in the Weird Route even without the phone call.

>>714313075
>both games.
Just Deltarune.
>>714313124
>Deltaruneslop
Yep. Like I said previously.

>>714313007
>Tobert can't be this thick
he literally posted about how he liked the fact people make fan art of kris and susie specifically and that "he won" the noelle and susie stuff was never meant to go anywhere besides to cause noelle to schizo out.

I think that >>714313042 is way funnier than >>714313154 and is a good example of subtly is important in comedy

>>714313075
>No undertale or deltarune fan actually played the games
Could've just stopped there desu, at least for the "fans" that want to pretend the player doesn't exist.

>>714312615
I'd like to know what kind of monstrous creatures voted in this poll.

>>714312829
Literally for over few months, the only time someone mention Sweet Cap'n Cakes is when they ask why nobody cares about them....

Andrew Hussie Is Noelle Holiday

>>714312959
To be fair, back when I was first playing it, I somehow completely missed the fact that the words are coming out of the phone, and I thought it's some kind of dark entity possessing Kris.

That being said, my initial understanding was that Knight is a completely mindless creature and Kris and Carol are working together to unfuck her back into Dess somehow.

>>714312959
The power in her house also just went out, and you can't tell me that Carol's house isn't covered in security cameras
It's equally likely that Asgore fucking snitched from the bathroom

>>714313250
>Just Deltarune.
You can't explain why you get Undertale related dialog options as early as chapter 1 without it not being related to Undertale or yellow soul mode.
>Its good to see you again.
People denying obvious shit is annoying.

>>714313315
>It’s every bit as messed-up as the cartoon on which it’s based

>>714313353
Don't say that! You'll doom us all!

>>714312829
Suselle is a single main worst aspect of the game

Kris is whatever gender is playing as him, in this case of /v/ he's most likely a guy. Theres no such thing as non binary gender.

No one ever mentions sweet Cap n Cakes

>>714310816
>Noelle likes Susie a lot more than she likes Kris
Toby showed you all the signs, yet you're still in denial

>>714312615
Credit where credit is due, the type of people to ship Spamtenna are the very rare breed of people to ship characters based on dynamics they actually enjoy and not because they're just self-inserting as one of the characters while the other gives them constant praise and affection they never got in the real world

Who should go out with Berdly?

>>714313521
>Theres no such thing as non binary gender
If you ever reach high school, maybe they'll teach you what hermaphrodites are

>>714313129
I'd wager that 120ish is like friendship if we go by Susie.

>>714313646
FemKris(male)

>>714313521
>Suselle is a single main worst aspect of the game
based

>>714313646
Noelle will

>>714310201 (OP)
Hi 4chan xisters can we rejoice over the fact Deltarune is helping all of us trans folxs go over Drumpf's presidency and that Kris is OPENLY non-binary?

The soul should get a happy ending too.

>>714313250
>slop
xDDD

>>714312959
Anon, please reply and tell me did you think Kris is evil Chara who is going to stab Toriel?
If YES then you just answered your question about Carol. You fell for kindergarten level of redd herring misdirection meant for casual players who dont even know who Dess is or bothered to check on Asgore talking about shadow crystal

>>714313315
>Noelle pretends she doesn't cares about Kris but talks about him constantly
>/v/ pretends they don't care about Sweet Cap'n Cakes but talk about them constantly
Guys? Do you need to confess something?

>>714313769
Please fuck off you obsessed retard

>>714313786
Does completing the game not count? You even get merch of your favorite darkners irl.

>>714313042
The famous furryfag also enjoy the meme

>>714313905
Not if it ends with us getting banished.

somehow didn't see this thread and made this one: >>714311653, my bad. I'll ask the question here, but better.

Now that there is strong evidence that suggests Sans originated from Deltarune, there is a lot that I'm wondering. Who was he talking about when he said "our reports"? Reports imply a degree of organization, so what would be the nature of this group? The chronology is also something that I wonder about. When did he receive these reports?
It could be from Deltarune...
When he speaks to you in Undertale, does he know that we are the player in Deltarune? Is that why he's wary of us in Undertale? If so, what could we possibly do to him in Deltarune that would make him as cautious and cynical as he is?
But if that is the case, then how does deltarune sans in chapter 1, 2 and 4 seem to imply he has a deeper understanding of you than he lets on? Why does he have Grilby's building but remodeled?

Is Sans stuck in a time loop?

>>714313424
You can't also bring any player evidence in Undertale by itself either, so I don't care. You're also not convincing me btw.

>>714312748
But the player is still the driving force behind the game. You could choose to derail the prophecy entirely by doing a neutral one and leaving the game like that. Ultimately, the prophecy only comes true if you choose to make it come true. It only matters if you think it does.

>>714313981
How is Noelle gonna hang herself without a neck?

>>714313981
What does XXI mean here?

>>714312560
I'm not convinced a man had one dream one night and that led to anything toby fox has done. How would that even make sense

>>714313129
120x120 is the healthy start for chapter 2. Based on chapter 3 and 4 interactions, it probably grown to 500x500

>>714313786
(You) will be used to turn Ralsei into a real boy.

>>714313807
genuinely who else could it be on the phone? cause it's not dess, shes gastered in the fucking game files.

>>714313815
I confess that these guys remind me of the monkey trio from Pokemon Black and White, where I think the green member of both is a pretty decent design that is weighed down by the other two looking really mediocre

What place (other than the Shelter) would it be deadly to create a Dark Fountain in?
A place where the Darkners are hostile towards visitors?

>>714314149
I think the middle guy is the tolerable one

>>714314119
>Based on chapter 3 and 4 interactions, it probably grown to 500x500
funny enough Tea values still exist internally but only Ralsei got a boost

>>714314178
police station maybe, or the town hall.

Which secret boss is your favourite so far?

>>714313279
>Saying this when player believers are mainly redditors that just watch YouTube theorists or read overly long, overanalysing Tumblr blogs and not the games.
Funny!

>kris is toby's self-insert
>people think that toby is going to cuck himself in his own story

>>714313129
400 feels less like love and more just an absurd degree of infatuation, which Noelle has. She would carry bottled water but would drink from the fountain after Susie did for fuck's sake.

>>714314204
I agree.
>>714314149
I want to do things with the blue monke.

>>714314178
Toriel's bedroom. There's a reason why Kris made sure it stays locked.
> * she's great. came to the store to buy chocolate kisses.
> * said she's gotta lock her door to stop you from eating 'em.
> * heheheh... you sound like a fun kid, huh?

>>714314273
the knight, with solo spamton as a close second.

>>714314273
Jevil

>>714314030
Still isn't the Angel. Cope.

>>714313550
she shows weird obsession, its not love which actually grows over time like in case of rotten tea of Ralsei

>>714314282
This is literally the first thing he wrote for the game.

>>714314268
>dark world crime scene evidence and objects

>>714314273
it's very close between the knight or jevil

>>714313259
He specifically talked about art of Kris and Susie where Susie is resting her chin on their head. It's not like he specifically meant shipping art.

But if anything, I'd say the ultimate proof that Noelle's crush isn't supposed to be the end all be all of DR romance is how he straight up made it a running joke that Noelle constantly sees Kris and Susie hit it off throughout the game and get closer and closer to the point of getting jealous, and yet once the moment of truth has arrived she tried to get closer to Susie herself by distancing herself from Kris and telling her they've never meant anything to her in an extremely eager and overexcited tone. Not to mention that out of game text of Susie seriously threatening Kris and Noelle just being a fucking randumb horny teen when witnessing it. That all shows a level of disconnect from reality and even callousness on her part that I just straight up refuse to entertain the idea that it's supposed to be working and Noelle will be rewarded for it with love. And then you mix in how hilariously fast she gets over Susie in Wierd route.

>>714314137
The Knight.
Carol calls Kris at the end of the rape route and she speaks normally. The Knight speaks like an edgy asthmatic.

>>714314273
Honestly, still Jevil. Pirouette is a fun mechanic and he had good bullet patterns without being gimmicky.

>>714313564
tenna culo

>>714314369
Toriel is a little suspicious, but I doubt there's anything too crazy in her room. Other than perhaps some dildos.

>>714314273
It feels like nothing could ever top spamton, everything about it including the whole unlock process is just so kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cki-mnHhNtY

>>714313705
Hermaphrodites are people with a disorder that appears in about 12 out of 1 million births. They have both testicular and ovarian tissue. They are not dickgirls, they have the chromosomes you'd expect them to and there's nothing outwardly strange about their genitalia.

>>714313646
Berdly has unironically a healthy bond with Noelle. Kris keeping her away from Susie either with Kriselle or Berdly(when on Krusie route) is probably the main intention of Tobias

If the roaring is so catastrophic why the HELL is it so easy to trigger? All it takes is one alone yet determined Lightner and a sharp object to potentially end the fucking world?

>>714313129
Forced one-sided obsession is not the same as naturally evolving mutual love

>>714314273
Lore-wise? Gerson, his character resonates deeply with my own views on fiction.
Gameplay-wise? Knight was by far the most difficult, but I had so much fun fighting her, it was really a well-designed and enjoyable experience.

>>714310816
Why doesn't Kris like Ralsie

>>714314592
Yeah this is the head scratcher for me.
It's one of those fly the eagles to mordor ideas.

>>714313705
>we pretend hermaphoridtes, intersex or other mutations are now non binary
Literally on tumblr it is used ONLY for tomboys and femboys who don't want to identify as male or female

niggas be like
>the player isn't the angel
when you are faced with a black room meant to show your reflection, like this isn't a trope fucking vocaloid songs do.

>>714310816
I hate Suselle, but let's be honest all the signs are there that it's going to happen. Just the differences in economic background between Susie and Noelle is enough to say SEE NOELLE MUST BE WITH SUSIE
It's a moral thing and Noelle literally would not be allowed to exist without it

>>714314024
The game tells you to complete undertale before playing it anon. I don't know what to tell you and its not really about convincing you since people rarely ever change their minds about anything and this a decade old game where people still deny shit.

>decide to finally do Snowgrave
>chapter 1
>start beating down enemies
>feels wrong
>I've never even seen most of these hurt sprites
>chapter 3
>plowing through encounters without a second thought
>had to actively remember this isn't how I usually play
Bros...

>>714314592
I don't think one titan appearing counts as the actual roaring. The roaring would be a ton of titans roaming around while literally everything is covered in darkness.

>>714314178
ICE-E's PEZZA,
I do NOT want to imagine what The Warrior would look like in the Dark World.
Though honestly, having said that now I'm picturing pizzapants in a dark world setting and honestly now I wish that would happen. He'd finally get his chance to be someone important, and whatever the fuck ICE-E is would make for probably the scariest boss we could face.

Man now I wish this happened. But who knows? Maybe at some point, we'll be able to create our own stories.

>>714314659
If plushie theory is correct, it's the same reason as with Noelle - he reminds him too much of the past trauma.

>>714314606
You're right but Toby thinks outdated opposites attract cliches are enough to carry the whole thing

>>714314551
>Other than perhaps some dildos.

>>714313749
people like to shit on worse aspects of the stuff
like they will talk about Eagles in Lord of The Rings or why Orcs know about the "menu" if they don't know what a restaurant is. They won't talk about cool scenes

>>714314659
Probably weirded out that he looks like a younger version of his older brother

>>714314551
And anal beads..

>>714312560
Someone that goes "I have an idea but pulling it off with the skills I have is not doable, maybe I should do something more simple to get experience" about anything doesn't end up as a burger flipper, the eternal "ideas guy" does

>>714314273
Still Jevil.
I beat Spamton on the first try, honestly didn't get what was so great about him. He does have a pretty cool theme but I still prefered Jevil's.

>>714314307
Oh no...

>>714314606
Do you not remember Undyne and Alphys?

>>714314808
>I do NOT want to imagine what The Warrior would look like in the Dark World.
Probably the same.

>>714314486
i mean i agree the knight is just a thing and not a person but i feel like it's a stretch for them to be capable of speech

>>714314474
>And then you mix in how hilariously fast she gets over Susie in Wierd route.
This is still WILD to me.

>>714314873
>why Orcs know about the "menu" if they don't know what a restaurant is
I...never thought about that.

>>714314772
The Titans are basically nigh unstoppable, though. It took a literal Legend (Gerson) and the supposed Heroes from the Prophecy to kill one. And while the first Titan was being fought, the Knight easily could have gone to another dark world, and made another one.

>>714312713
Lancer fan club
Susie and her harem
(You) making Kris rape Noelle

>>714314695
I don't have a glossy screen like a vocaloidnigger.

>>714313705
Do you think Kris is a hermaphrodite?
You do realize that even those who are intersex can still be categorized into the male/female binary through several methods, as a true hermaphrodite has not yet been recorded in the humans?

>>714314904
I remember that romance was written badly in Undertale in general and this is not the case in Deltarune.
>Oh no...
If you're implying indirect kisses, then Kris and Susie had several already.

>>714314919
The Knight has an identity Kris doesn't want you to know, you can see it take its helmet off before Kris forces your attention elsewhere.

>>714314582
>gives the definition of non-binary gender
I accept your concession

>>714315013
>(You) making Kris rape Noelle
That's not polyamory, that's a hostage and sexual slavery situation.

>>714314582
Imagine being cursed with a super rare genetic disorder that probably renders you sterile and might give you a bunch of health related problems, and then getting lumped together into one category with a bunch of mentally ill coomer lunatics

Asgore will finally get over Toriel and realize that he can use Alphys as an onahole

>>714310201 (OP)
I see a few possibilities, ordered from most to least likely:
> The relationship was underbaked, but Toby wants to make it work because it's his fetish.
> Noelle's attraction to Susie is meant to be superficial, at first; falling in love with the REAL Susie will be the key to Noelle's development.
> Everybody falls in love with Susie, but she never gets with anyone. People declare Susie asexual and all shipping fanart becomes illegal.
> Instead of falling in love with the real Susie, Noelle realizes she's projecting a lot of her feelings for Kris onto her. Love triangle ensues.
> Noelle's going to get jealous of Susie and Kris being so close and do something she regrets. Drama ensues.
I'm hoping for the last one, even though it's not happening. Bitchy, passive-aggressive Noelle sounds awesome.

>>714314137
Its not Carol, either, she has a normal Grinch voice in Snowgrave phone talk with Kris. Perhaps its another secret boss? Seam? Eggman? Saying its Carol because Toby played ominous music when she ENTERs doesnt mean shit

>>714314086
Extra Extra Large Moss

>>714314273
SPAMTON G. SPAMTON.
>>714314737
Still no proof of the player in Undertale only using Undertale. You could've at least tried even if I wasn't going to be convinced.

>>714315157
As much as I love that particular pairing, Kris is not going to be happy about it.

>>714314086
Extra Extra Large

>>714315038
the nintendo switch has a screen that reflects you, tv screens have screens that reflect you, even if computer monitors (barely) do it's a trope used in a lot of places. you have to be fucking retarded to argue otherwise.

It'd be kind of awesome if Susie namedropped the chapter 1 team name during the climax.
>We... are the Lancer Fan Club.
It'd be cheesy as hell but also kino I think.

>>714314972
Yeah but it seems like titans are still confined to the dark worlds they are created in for some reason. Otherwise the destruction it caused wouldn't be limited to the church. I'm just guessing here, but it probably takes something specific to cause an event as big as the roaring that would cover up the whole world. Like I don't think the knight can just keep opening up fountain after fountain for whatever reason.

>>714314904
>Do you not remember Undyne and Alphys?
I never really cared for their relationship in Undertale to be honest

>>714315164
>but Toby wants to make it work because it's his fetish

>>714315296
My TV screen doesn't. Sucks to be you, vocaloidtroon.

>>714315218
How many fucking chara/frisk pics do you have? I have been posting in DT threads since chapter 3/4 came out and I still haven't seen you post a duplicate.

>>714315078
i feel like the knight being someone totally random is just fucking stupid, it's likely just a manifestation of dess's subconcious.

>>714315309
>Don't fuck with the $!$! squad!

>>714314893
>Toriel's anal beads

Reminder that Alphys/Undyne was just a beta-test for Kris/Susie
>shut-in weirdo and cool tomboy
He knows he can get away with more now.

>>714315102
Same as whatever Rouxls was doing with the weather guys. They even feel ashamed at enjoying it the same way Kris and Noelle do.

>>714315420
https://youtu.be/m5BJb8V3Hs8

>I am ..the Knight

>>714315409
I understand your enthusiasm, but he didn't say "I won" because he's a Krusie shipper but because he's happy that he succesfully wrote a character that people could have a deep understanding of.

>>714314952
... Do the rest of the Holiday House scenes not play out the same way as on normal if you abort weird route

>>714315075
>this is not the case in Deltarune
But you just said it was.
>If you're implying indirect kisses
No, I'm implying you're a fucking lunatic for saying she has an "absurd degree of infatuation." I'm guessing you're a zoomer since zoomers have this really bizarre, sterile perception of love. Romantic relationships aren't like a fucking business deal where you shake hands and agree to respect one another, you cuck. If you actually love someone, you'll absolutely want to kiss them, smell them, feel them, feel your heart race when you see them, etc. Stop being a dickless robot.

>>714315486
>Sorry, but you're not allowed on the Lancer Fan Club.
>We are the Fun Gang, and we don't like buzzkills like you.

>>714314904
>Do you not remember Undyne and Alphys?
I remember it felt very awkward and forced, especially considering the otherwise rather tight writing of the game. Seriously, people crow about Undyne and Alphys but there is zero reason to believe they'd actually get along based on what we saw of them.

>>714315164
>Everybody falls in love with Susie, but she never gets with anyone. People declare Susie asexual and all shipping fanart becomes illegal.
this would be the funniest option

>>714315570
I think Elnina and Lanino just simply realized Rouxls is a retard.

>>714315486
kino

>>714313981
Never heard of anyone refer to Weaver as famous furryfag

>>714315598
Yes but there's no reason why it can't be both. In fact, it is quite likely.

>>714315089
>be a normal healthy male
>one day your doctor says there's ovarian tissue in your ball
>"oh my god I'm a third gender"
You are not.

>>714315352
Yeah, it's unfortunate that Toby shoved this lame, forced dyke relationship in our face in Undertale.

Dot dot dot, anon.

>that part where Rouxls starts using a laser pointer for the weather attacks
made me kek hard

>years later, still making incels seethe
Toby you absolute madman, and here you are doing it all over again

>>714315486
>>Don't fuck with the $!$! squad!

>>714315575
>Posts some poor kid as a gotcha.
Sad!

>>714313983
The game has to end eventually.

>>714315484
I like the theory that the Knight is a part of Dess and the other part is trapped in the code
same way Gaster was split into pieces

>>714314486
Its also one of Toby's twist misdirections

What he want players to think
>Carol is evil
>her wanting Kris and Noelle to hang means Kris is also a baddie and why Kris fight us in the closet
>Catti is jealous of Susie and Suselle is hekking cute & valid

What actually going to happen
>Carol actually on the side of the good guys preventing tragedy
>Suselle will trigger Dess PTSD and transform Noelle into angel of death
>Catti tried to warn us like Gerson

Toriel overdoses again...

>>714315657
holy shit. i need more of this.
maybe with someoen falling down those stairs after chasing the knight

>>714315773
Probably the best in-battle gag there's been in the whole game.
Hell I think it beats UT's too for me.

>So.
>I haveth a laiser pointere.

>>714315164
I actually wonder
>Noelle is clearly meant to be the monster in the prophecy
>Susie takes her place in the normal route
>Noelle gets jealous as Kris and Susie bond
>Snaps once her father dies, becomes the metaphorical Dragon
>Penultimate boss
Meanwhile on the Weird Route
>Noelle becomes head over heels for Kris
>She falls back into the role of Monster from the prophecy
>Susie finds out what Kris has been doing
>Susie Falls back into the role of Dragon, trying to stop Kris
>Penultimate boss Susie
The story always needs a dragon

Why doesn't Carol get more shit for being mildly verbally abusive towards Noelle? She's probably the reason why Noelle stares into the freezer at Sans' store.

>>714314273
Spamton, but only because I don't consider the Knight a secret boss.
They're both just really fun bosses to fight, and I'll be damned if getting the knight's shadow crystal didn't fill me with DETERMINATION.
Especially since I wanted to go through chapter 4 to come chat with you guys.

>>714315409
A man can have many fetishes. He's multi-faceted that way.
I love Krusie, but I wouldn't be surprised if they're just close friends by the end.

>>714315773
If there's one trope I'll never get tired of, it's the "dumbass with retardedly good powers that could be the most powerful character if he had functioning brain cells" type.

>>714314135
I WANT TO BE INSIDE RALSEI I WANT TO BE INSIDE RALSEI I WANT TO BE INSIDE RALSEI I WANT TO BE INSIDE RALSEI

>>714315463
My current folder is over a thousand, but I have posted some duplicates before.

>>714315825
my hero susie won't let that happen

>>714315773
He is the second funniest guy in the game after Lancer

Man when chapter 5 has even more suselle stuff the bitching is going to be so funny

>>714315831
thats how i'm gonna see it if toby is going to keep putting """"""""unused"""""""" dialogue in the games code and never take it out. it's obviously dess being in a gaster situation.

>>714314149
i hate the faggot who look like Numbuh One from KND

>>714315657
LMAO

Ralsei is like the sole main character who people don't want to go berserk for contrived drama

>>714315836
You're just saying this because you want to have sex with Carol.

>>714315598
>because he's happy that he succesfully wrote a character that people could have a deep understanding of.
Finally a fucking anon who gets it. It was always about making You like Susie and the other characters.

>>714315875
her huge eye scares me but looks kind of cute/hot?

>>714315875
>Toriel overdoses again...
Wtf she's using drugs now?!

>>714313786
Toby hopes we will be friends with everyone one day.
I hope so too.

>>714315598
>former 4chan user tobias "radiation" fox would never use "i won" like how we all think he would use it.

>>714315950
are they on the floor or leaning agaisnt a wall?

>>714315875
what the fuck

>>714315773
For just a moment I thought the laser pointer was a fucking gun

>>714314149
It's a let down that the speaker tits isn't a girl

>>714315773
My sides were in orbit seeing it animated so convincingly.

>>714313807
I knew Kris wasn't The Knight
I knew Ralsei wasn't secretly le evil
I knew Mike wasn't the TV head or the secret boss
I know now that Dess is the Knight and Carol is the mastermind
I know all of these things because I know how to fucking read and follow the story of a game for babies, something which is beyond many of you

>>714310201 (OP)
>Game literally starts with "You don't get to choose who you are"
>Adds in a completely frustrating and forced romance that most players don't really care about
>Main character is shown not to really care too much but you, the player do because Susie has so much more chemistry with him than Noelle
>Side route's central conflict is player vs. main character as you frequently make decisions he doesn't want but you do
>You, the player, explicitly abuse Noelle in the side route to represent going against what the characters in the world want.
It's kino storytelling that's what it is.

I just really love Susie, chapter 4 totally won me over with her, she's a layered, interesting character and Toby really struck gold with her, one of my favorite characters in gaming ever. I am definitely not interested in the homestuck tier romance shit going on in the game though. People obsessing over shipping like it's 2012 again gives me fucking conniptions.

>>714314282
If thats the case, its VERY likley he prepared routes for romantic Kriselle and Krusie. He gives both girls a lot of moments to bond with Kris

>>714312959
Asgore also walked in
>but he didn't care that Susie had the guitar
He could've alterted Carol himself, who he knew would be mad

If the Weird Route needed you to freeze Lancer
Could you do it?

>>714315773
rouxls teleporting in will always make me laugh it's such a stupid fucking animation.

>>714313786
>THE ANGEL, BANISHED, WILL FINALLY MEET WITH ITS DESIRE.
We'll not only meet with our desire, but we won't have to be banished, either, just our heaven.

>>714316263
The point of no return has been reached.
I will do what I must.

I'll even tell Ralsei to keep smiling.

What a slut

>>714314742
The opposite happened to me. After I returned to chapter 3 to bring my snowgrave save to 4, I had to reload after I recruited some units rather than fighting.
I'm still iffy on whether I should go full geno or just do what's necessary after 2. Castle town being empty is just boring rather than interesting. No interactions.

Everyone knows Suselle is not happening. You're either a doomer saying the worst is going to happen, or using it as a threat that it must happen or else. No one. Nobody.

>>714316117
We can be friends with Kris after I give him the ass beating of a lifetime.

>>714314135
It was a hole the entire time.

Your heart-shaped object slides right inside.

>>714315875
Jesus fucking christ why would someone draw this

>>714316263
Totally

>>714315810
The Lancer Fan Club you mean

>>714316396
I have already forgiven them.
I have no enemies.

>>714315975
>I thought he was going to use it in another way.
Am I too virgin to understand this?

>>714316178
Can you link the animation?

>>714316234
>Adds in a completely frustrating and forced romance that most players don't really care about
How can anyone hate THIS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXRYqlKqLqM this is such a cool adaptation. Really works nicely with how the roaring knight uses PK Starfall. I like how it emphasizes the oddness of the fight

>>714314551
Toriel's literally only in the story to make Asgore the boss level for chapter 5

>>714316384
Nah, I'm fine with Suselle happening. its cute

>>714316417
HOLY
FUCKING
SHIT

>>714314273
Spamton.

>>714316234
>>Adds in a completely frustrating and forced romance that most players don't really care about
this thread isn't most players. even the tumblr poll still had a significant amount of suselle stuff

>>714316607
....said no one ever.

>>714314659
Doesn't trust him.
There is a reason that a trigger happens if you say "its ok not to smile" it goes up to 100 despite the tea not being available.

>>714316263
>Guess you could call him.

>Jack Frost

>>714316561
https://youtu.be/1gcAsaENnYE?t=224

>>714316396
We can be friends with Kris after I give her the ass fucking of a lifetime

>>714316027
He had his moment in chapter 3. The soul overlapping over him causes no reaction and he got a singular gut stat that he uses to tell you his spiel about darkners and to go with Susie to the festival when you insist on taking him there.

>>714316564
I think he was talking about suselle anon

>>714316564
Can you read more than the first two sentences? Thanks.

>>714316443
what's so shocking about it

>>714314659
People believe Kris has negative thoughts about Asriel or maybe he blames himself for Asriel leaving. Ralsei just look like Asriel as Susie and Noelle pointed out

>>714316384
At this point pretty much everyone gave up on Suselle. We have the last Susellefag hiding in our threads like Hiroo Onoda until Toby Fox would personally come here and relieve him of duty.

Kriselle fans sure are dumb and unobservant huh

>>714315757
It could definitely be both.

I think Toby knows Suselle, superficially, is just Undyne and Alphys again. It's very saccharine and lovey-dovey and slowburn, all the tropes in one. But there's a dark undercurrent to their relationship, things Noelle is hiding from Susie. Noelle has dark impulses.Toby's placed so many flags that indicate that they are a ticking time bomb, SPECIALLY on Noelle's side.

But Toby also clearly still likes Suselle, and I seriously doubt he would let the ship's many fans down. So there probably will be a compromise or a catch. I think the most likely and agreeable outcome would be that Noelle realizes how superficial and charged by neglect her crush on Susie is, but they wind up getting along as friends nonetheless. Whether they end up together as a couple, a throuple, or just friends, is ultimately up to the player to decide.

Is that a cop-out? Yeah, kinda. Is it in line with Toby's philosophy and the extremely clear message about new generations continuing with their own stories? Almost certainly.

>>714316736
I am a retard. I thought you meant someone made an animation of that scene.

>>714314695
Player is the human cage, Noelle is the angel

>>714310201 (OP)
Any questions?

>>714314273
I really love Gerson, everything about that fight is just a wonderful joining of forces of music, story and gameplay. The way Gerson looks proudly at Susie when she casts her healing magic is just so heartwarming and sweet, and the fact that it's what increases his mercy timer more than anything else you can do is the cherry on top. Gerson in general is such a goated character, Toby just can't stop making winners.

>>714316935
>Suselle is slow burn
Almost choked on my drink laughing

Now that the dust has settled, I want to revisit Spamton NEO's lyrics

>Fingers coming from the ends of the phone
>A hand that waits until you're all alone
>It pulls the strings and makes them ring
>Until your heart gets ripped out!

At first I thought this was FRIEND, who looks like a hand amalgamate, but now I think this is referring to Kris' fucked up hand.

I don't have a single fact to back that up.

>>714314873
they had mcmordors back then

>>714317000
I will consider Austin superior to Toby only if he has a better taste in 2hu's

>>714316935
>But there's a dark undercurrent to their relationship, things Noelle is hiding from Susie
Alphys was also hiding shit from Undyne and everything ended well.

>>714317000
Just one. Do you really hope for a different outcome each time you post it?

>>714316935
>But there's a dark undercurrent to their relationship, things Noelle is hiding from Susie
I don't even give a shit about Suselle, but this shit is so funny to me considering that Kris is working with the knight and how he threw the fight and wasted our time not getting the codes for the shelter.

>>714317101
gaster is trying to take (You) because he loves power

>>714317101
>It pulls the strings and makes them ring

>>714316989
>Player is the human cage
Learn to read. Kris is the human cage with the human parts. Our soul in chapter 4 has been compared to the angel doll, a severed hand, and a mouse which Noelle used to be scared of mice in the normal route.

>>714317137
Nice photoshop Toby.

>>714317143
yeah this lol. Noelle maybe has some trauma to handle regarding her sister. Kris is working with the guy who wants to end the planet.

>>714316205
Did you agree with Kris Knighters points, though? Because they were right about everything except Kris BEING the actual knight.

>>714317082
Yeah, that's certainly a take.
Suselle basically reached the point of "The suitor loudly and proudly challenges the parent figure" that would be the climax of many romances, and Susie and Noelle have talked like two times. If anything Suselle is lightning fucking fast.

>>714317134
Toby was also much worse at writing romance when he was writing Undertale.

>>714316935
>saccharine
>lovey-dovey
>slowburn
I think I know what you want to say but all of these adjectives feel completely wrong for conveying the absolute state of Suselle

>>714317205
Gaster isn't trying to take (you). He gave (you) that power by creaing the connection to begin with

>>714317082
I mean yeah they're taking their sweet time to get closer to eachother. It's not like they're already smooching. Susie remains completely oblivious.

>>714316263
No.

>>714317000
>here's your chad nord, bro

>>714317252
>Kris is working with the guy
>who wants to end the planet
Why Susellefags are always the biggest secondaries?

>>714317101
>I can't explain until you're all alone
Ralsei bros? Was Spamton onto us all along?

gonna post some foreshadowing of part 5/6 dont mind if i do

>>714317143
>>714317252
There's a difference between hiding you're in a conspiracy, way in over your head and either held up by a promise or by blackmail, and hiding how you are as a person though.

>>714317137
Mind you that Austin's breakdown tweets came after his fucking father died, he absolutely was not in the right state of mind at the time because of how devastating it was to him.

>>714316989
you niggas are so fucking retarded

>>714316342
>Player Angel
GIGA RETARD ALERT!!!!!

>>714315728
he's sort of famous, and he's a huge furry

>>714317000
Lisa was a fluke and The Joyful was an awful slog. Meanwhile Toby has been hitting home run after home run after home run with Undertale and now 4 amazing Deltarune chapters. Toby could be a fat black disabled palestinian tranny with vitellago and he would still be my preferred dev because identity doesn't make you make good games. If that were true swedes wouldn't be the absolute SHIT TIER, LAZY, IDIOTIC DEVELOPERS THEY ARE, LOOKING AT YOU: FATSHARK, ARROWHEAD, STARBREEZE

>>714317101
There's no bloody way the last line is anything other than "Until your heart turns red/redder"
https://youtu.be/f8KqADnICaA?si=XGS29JhskX0Wm2GD&t=25

AAAAAA I'M GOING INSANE

>>714317342
So glad this guy's shit games were outdone but fan games lmao

>>714316754
Human loli ass.

Susiebros...

>heya kwis i just wantcha to be happy and pway your video games!
Why does literally everyone hate him?

>>714317342
>>714317418
Refer to the second anon's post.
Grieving is not a fun part of life. Was it the right place to do it? No.

>>714316989
You're extremely intelligent unlike PlayerAngelniggers. Stand proud.

>>714317315
I think I was trying to just say "cliche" but it felt too reductive, so I used nicer words. But no, yeah, it really is just cliche and boring. It's absolutely doomed to fall apart, the signs are all there, but I also cannot see it doomed forever. I don't think that's something Toby would do, what with his desire of inspiring hope and all.

>>714317487
Anon please anything but Chipper and Son's

>>714310201 (OP)
Why is all discussion from this game just shippingtroons?
Zero gameplay discussion or webms.
Why is this board so female brained?
Was the huge influx of agp transbians?

Jelqarune

>>714317603
Why is his top a sad face? :(

>>714317613
Not an excuse.
Everyone knows dead people.
Have a level of decorum.

>>714316989
You're extremely retarded, unlike PlayerAngelintellectuals. Kill yourself.

>>714317525
artist? more???

>>714316117
Kris can do whatever he wants once I get my vessel and I'll leave him alone but I'm taking Noelle with me.

>>714317652
the gameplay is piss easy bro

>>714316263
No, I'd delete the save file right then and there

>>714310816
Susie is such a mary sue

She is so fucking boring man these last few chapters, Ralsei too, I hope they don't have a big role in chapter 5

>kris and co gain levels by sealing fountains
>a titan can be born from a fountain
>that means kris is killing titans before they are born and that transfers to LV and EXP in the dark world regardless they *LOST*'d all the darkner recruits they find or not

>>714317739
You didn't beat roaring knight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GYsiRqMaiM

Who let the suselletrannies in?

So whos the knight, since dess is obviously not the knight since thats boring and obvious?

>Susie would hate Kris if she found out about the SOUL!

>>714317739
Your mantless knight?

>>714317652
You have to ask yourself this: what is the kind of person that would obsessively post about this game for years? Once you find the answer, it will all become so much more understandable.

>>714317803
She does not fight like that...

>>714316384
Okay. I'll do it. I'll take the whitepill.
SUSELLE WILL NOT HAPPEN

>>714317487
Holy shit fart night at shittys

>>714315808
>gives option to fuck with them by selling Alphys gift to Undyne
>it actually reward you for it and give you money to buy a date with Susie
Toby changed. He is OUR guy now

>>714317771
It's almost like the titans are made of...
of...
Willpower

>>714317435
(You) are the SOUL.
The SOUL has powers of light.
The Angel's Light is a recurring aspect of the Deltarune Religion.
The melody that plays when sealing a Dark Fountain is titled "Your Power".
Kris and Susie are outright uncomfortable when presented with The Angel's depiction in the Sanctuary Prophecies, and refuse to outwardly say what they're seeing.
The Titan starts off as a human head shrouded in darkness before taking an angelic humanoid form, because it's drawing from the fears of Kris, the perspective (You) are always locked into. Kris fears (You) because he knows you're the Angel, and has no idea what he's in for by following his promise while also letting (You) inhabit him.

>>714315053
the only hermaphrodite i'm willing to accept is the page 10 futa susie
and she is for kris exclusively

>>714317839
This shit is why I love the "we are the Angel" theory. Imagine you're a delinquent and you found out that your best friend was possessed by God, and when the two separated you get all excited because you want to be friends with God and God is just like "y-you too..."

>>714317402
Point is, Susie is going to be really pissed off about Kris working with the knight which every single Krusie shipper ignores. Kris so far is the only person who hasn't betrayed her trust yet. Noelle sort of did in chapter 4 and Ralsei doesn't require explanation.

>>714315910
this is what going to happen + 4th wall breaking

>>714317715
https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/74842363

>>714314282
A redditor would definitely cuck himself in their own stories. Japanese mangaka also do it

>>714313249
We don't know what happened in between EQUIPing Noelle and Kris having a meltdown in the bathroom. We know enough time passed for Susie to find the guitar on her own, bring it to the living room, get caught by Asgore and have Carol show up and kick everybody out.
She could have been called by Asgore instead, or came to take control of the situation after Kris failed to check in with her, but in either case she's still part of the conspiracy and motivated by keeping Susie from getting the code.
"This happens in the Weird Route" isn't an explanation for what happened in the normal route, and the game has already skipped over things in the Weird Route becuase you know what's supposed to happen normally and retreading it would just be wasting your time.

>>714316251
>Asgore also walked in
Asgore was already at the house and does nothing to stop Susie from finding the code. In fact, Asgore is almost certainly looking for the code himself, based on what you can overhear in the vents and him reacting to Susie talking about the code when they're outside later.
>He could've alterted Carol himself, who he knew would be mad
Why? If he's concerned about Susie handling the guitar, he sure doesn't show any sign of it.
If Carol was only concerned about her daughter inviting a hooligan over, why not just tell Asgore to tell them to leave? Why not call Noelle herself and tell them to leave?
Is Susie putting her claws on Dess's guitar really such a crisis in itself that she had to personally intervene to make sure that it was taken care of?
Are we going to keep pretending that somehow Carol, the mayor of the town, who has one of the codes to the Dark World bunker hidden in the guitar of her daughter who disappeared in there, the absolute control freak and workaholic who keeps everything in her life in order, who has a fucking Black Shard katana and schizo board in her bedroom, is somehow the ONLY person who doesn't know what's going on here?

>>714317487
this is ADVANCED schizophrenia

>>714317839
>if she found out about the SOUL!
If you're a brainlet maybe. I feel she would be instantly concerned about why Kris is with the knight in the first place.

>>714317652
>Why is all discussion from this game just shippingtroons?
Because someone made a bait OP and it's a bannable offense on /v/ not to take the bait. Retard.

>>714317895
kek

>>714316056
He will actually create 3 romance routes? Krusie, Kriselle and Kralsei???

>>714317706
Sorry you're a sociopath who's never truly bonded with someone to such an extent that they've become a vital part of your life and formative experiences, Anon.
But that doesn't change the fact Austin is a man who was very strongly defined by his upbringing and relationship to his father, which is why LISA has such a strong emphasis on fatherhood as a recurring theme of its narrative, especially Brad (who Austin named after his father.)

>>714314659
There's unused code that would increase it later, from before Toby decided it was too much work to keep updating

>>714317652
Literally any media where the main cast are teenagers will attract an insane amount of shipfags, and they'll drown out everything else to talk about

>>714317839
>holy shit TWO NIGGAS

>you will never fug the ice queen katana wielding weeb
why live

>>714314273
The Knight has the best raw fight and Gerson has the best story.
But Spamton is the best full package.

>>714310201 (OP)
Suselle is going to turn even uglier when Noelle, after being rejected at the festival, becomes the Angel and erases Kris from existence. Forcing (You), with a churning stomach, to play Ch6 and 7 as the vessel (or susie) and watch the forced, uncomfortable Suselle become a reality.

On Snowgrave, Susie is the one getting erased to force Kruselle.

You heard it here first.

>>714318007
>which every single Krusie shipper ignores.
As a Krusie shipper, that's literally what I'm looking forward to most and I'm constantly fantasizing about the way it will be resolved, romantic or platonic. If they don't reconcile it'd hurt but as long as it contributes to the game being well written I'd accept it.

>>714318178
Yeah take his dick out of your mouth dude.
I had loving parents but when they passed I was able to grieve without damning a whole race of people for thinking differently than me.
Get fucked.

>>714316754
anon have mercy that's her weak point

>>714317803
"You won't say a thing huh?"
>Cacophany of swords blasts your ear

>>714318059
thank you anon
as you know, I am a man of the ass

>>714318002
>theory
*Retardation

>>714318254
You kind of suck at writing but you'll get better with time. Keep being creative, and start thinking about how your ideas would connect with the actual themes of the story as opposed to just being self-loathing reassurance. Like, I don't know man, I don't think Toby wants the player to be forced to experience two chapters worth of essentially being cucked.

>>714316205
What make you think Carol is the mastermind? She's one of the people whose Knight will try to abduct like Undyne as Pine tree is the symbol for the mayor. She's being framed as the baddie while Knight obviously want to abduct Carol and Toriel (deltarune symbol)

>>714318254
>Noelle getting rejected at the festival.
>Kills Kris in response.
>Somehow this makes Susie love her.

This is why we proofread, kids.

>>714312959

>>714314735
where's that post about how in trying to be so progressive with lesbians and shit the writing has looped all the way back to 1950s "rich girl and the guy from the wrong side of the tracks" dramedy bullshit

>>714318457
Kek
This is my favorite in the series

>>714318457
>Darkner children
I choose to believe.

>>714318457

Am I the only one that prefer Susie as male?

>>714318642
Don't. Cease that thought.

A reminder that Sans only has 1 HP and can accidentally die during sex, especially with a big monster like Whoriel.

I still believe in Karkat's diagram

>>714318457
>shadowwomen

>>714318458
yeah anyone who believes the soul=angel shit should die slowly

>>714316234
What stunning is people still think "choices don't matter" when theres freedom leitmotif being played every chapter along with characters like Jevil or Gerson outright telling you to fuck the prophecy and rules

>>/714314695

>>714318678
Kind of a pointless question since she's not male.

>>714316152
it is, but it's still hot for him to be a robotic bustyboy

>>714317839
She'll be completely chill with us once it's made clear Kris genuinely does care as himself and we were just an added bonus.
Odds are there's gonna be a Chrono Trigger Trial-esque scene where a ton of your actions are reflected upon to help make her decision on whether or not to accept (you), but even on the most bare minimum run she'll say "HELL YEAH NEW FRIEND" since it's only because of (You) that she got to be friends with Kris, Ralsei and everyone else in the first place.

>>714318457
I'm starting to lose my fucking mind

>>714316237
all the shipping would be tolerable if only Suselle wasn't forced into narration

>>714318536
I was going to say he didn't say she kilsl him but erases him, but why would I defend fanfiction that is retarded nonetheless.

>>714318750
Honestly the worst ship that came out of new chapters. Zero chemistry and even physics are not on their side

>>714318764

>>714318685
>ywn make a family with tasque manager

>>714318536
>>714318460
She unmakes him. The entire point of the story, foreshadowed and then explicitly fucking stated 3-4 times (and even stated in undertale btw!), is a time loop where everything is exactly the same except without Kris. Whether he gets written out by Noelle, or sacrifices himself somehow, that's what is going to happen. You should emotionally prepare for that if the mere suggestion makes you seethe online

>>714318407
I just found out about this artist right now as well, LOL.

>>714313564
Spamtenna turned my wife 100% fujo literally overnight.

>>714318685
TOBY, YOU CAN'T STOP ME
I'LL TURN CASTLE TOWN INTO NURSERY TOWN

>>714318685
(You) will get ralsei boipreggers

>>714314695
Like this? It feels like some retards have recently joined discussion up and is shitting up with stuff we already know about because chapter 4 beats you over the head with it.

>>714318932
My sincere condolences.
Fujos are the worst.
Consider writing Toby and demanding a refund.

>>714318750
This is hot, but I want a threesome with pic rel.
They're both girls with BBLs in my version.

>>714318915
And you REALLY think Toby is going to write a fucking story where a character completely deletes the main character from existence out of jealous incel rage, and then just wins and gets the girl and lives happily ever after with said main character actually just losing?

>>714318685
Ralsei will be the first darkner ever to both impregnate a lightner and be impregnated by one. Source: The man behind that tree told me

>>714319080
what is happening

>>714315271
I always got the feeling Kris enjoyed messing with Alphys but that was just straight up mean.

>>714319093
No, obviously that's not the ending, stupid. (You) are going to fix everything.

>>714318685
Darkners are what I want them to be I want to create a family
With a Darkner wife by my side and our daughters and sons playing with joy

>>714319080
Actual crackship

Ralsei will give birth to the angel

>femcel Noelle
I didn't need that image

>>714313265
oh you like subtlety huh

>>714316935
I also think its how gonna happen. Suselle will only happen by default on Kralsei route. BerdlyxNoelle on Krusie route and SusiexRalsei on Kriselle route.

Kris in the game is a little faggot lmao. I'm genuinely happy that we can fuck him up by taking over his life. The funniest point is most likely that the PLAYER/SOUL is actually taking over Noelle too.
>Tiny red dot
>When Noelle got questioned what "you too are doing" a blank choice window came up
The soul/player is most likely taking over Noelle, for she is the ultimate host. Obedient AND godly powerful with a instant oneshot ability. We are LITERALLY NTRing that purple faggot too. the funniest thing is that Kris wants to be "free" of the heart but he is nothing without it. Would be fun if we could snowgrave that retard as Noelle. I don't understand how anyone can like the normal route

>>714315271
Alphys definetly went home and cried about this on her tumblr blog

>>714318894
nah, they may have 0 chemistry, but that's still better than negative chemistry like a certain other yuri pairing has.

>>714319136
Same. Felt like Kris just being usual prankster self, but that moment felt spiteful. Makes me wonder if Alphys has done something in the past to wrong Kris that she's not aware of.

>>714318743
Based!

>>714313550
HER NAME IS NOELLE
I HAD A DREAM ABOUT HER

>>714318908
>>714318946
>>714318982
>>714319107
>>714319145
THEY ARE OBJECTS! YOU CAN'T FUCK A TOASTER AND HAVE CHILDREN WITH IT!

>>714318525
Because she is clearly the person on the phone talking to Kris about her evil plan
Because her daughter is The Knight which gives both her and Kris a clear motive
Because her being "frozen" and stuck in the past since her daughter's disappearance has clear and obvious relevance to the thematic conflict the game has been setting up
Because she's clearly aware of Kris's situation and the way she interacts with Kris is obviously sinister and not normal for a mother talking to a friend of her daughter (a friend who has allegedly been estranged for years)
Because I'm not going to pretend that a character who has been built up for four chapters and is being presented as obviously villainous in her introduction halfway through the story is not an obvious villain

>>714314149
SEX WITH K_K

>>714319367
You havent tried hard enough

>>714318915
But why would it be Kris that gets erased? And why would Noelle, even in a fit of jealousy, even think of not only killing her childhood friend but fucking erasing them?
And then what becomes of Kris, the character we've gotten to know for 4 chapters? They're just gone, poof? That's it?

>The entire point of the story, foreshadowed and then explicitly fucking stated 3-4 times (and even stated in undertale btw!), is a time loop where everything is exactly the same except without Kris.
Where the fuck did you get this from?
We know Goners are important, and the vessel will be important too, and it is connected to the goners and gaster, but there's no reason to think that the same fate awaits Kris. You're just writing fan-fiction. And lousy fan-fiction at that.

>>714319267
I have zero love for Kris but I also don't want to damn anyone else over their idiocy .

>>714319281
but Suselle didn't start in chapter 4 tho?

>>714319246
Just needs a poorly written dialogue about "you're something"

>>714319367
You are invalidating the lived experiences of tens of thousands of reddit users.
Repent.

Monster girls….BELONG TO HUMAN COCKS

>>714318992
>Player Angelfags are ugly women
KEKAROO.

>>714319432
i didn't read that part, i was too eager to shit on suselle

>>714319367
I will cover this world in darkness if it means I get to be happy with my wife

>>714319281
Nah, I concede that Suselle has some chemistry, and it may have worked if it didn't share the game with this

>>714315598
He said "I won" because the Hussie brain worms are strengthening.

>>714319503
Basado

>>714319080
Needs more clamgirl. People forgot about her even though she’s Toby’s final hint about Deltarune’s existence and retains her weird shapeshifting if you see her in chapter 2 by the suspicious lake.

imagine the sex

>>714319503
*Darkner boys

>>714319629
It sucks that this artist drew the cutest Krusie and Kriselle art but is exclusively a fan of the shittiest ship

>>714318992
The game does plenty to hammer it in as is, both from itself and context clues from Undertale's interpretation of the Delta Rune and Angel, it's just that idiots refuse to believe that Deltarune has a metanarrative on the normal route, and that the metanarrative only exists on the Weird Route or in datamining contexts (see: the retards who still think Dess is "lost in the code because Gaster took her on a one-way trip down to schizotown" when those are just excerpts from when she was deteriorating in the Shelter Dark World).

This game is beyond boring

>>714312959
The main counter-point is that we get a carol call later on snowgrave and it sounds nothing alike. Toby is deliberately making it clear that the raspy caller and Carol are different people.

>>714319534
Many such cases...

>Ralsei and Berdly get memoryholed from 99% of discussion because they're not girls to add to the Kris shipping dodecahedron

>>714319267
Kris is a dodgy little shit, but I respect resisting the influence of the SOUL. We're going to have a nice talk and sort shit out in a way that's best for everybody.

Is anyone actually fucked enough to play the normal route anymore. I hope we can throw that little retard into a grinder and fuck Noelle with the bhc (big heart cock) as he gets shreded into paste

>>714319578
Hussie took a controversial character and turned her into a fucking Poochie.
Toby made a character people fell in love with at first sight and said love only strengthened with the time.
He has every right to celebrate victory.

>>714316564
Easily, I'm not a stupid child.

>>714319629
this is based if kris was a girl or ralsei was a girl

>>714319774
I didn't expect a surprise Soujuurou

>>714319782
Kralsei is going strong

>>714319782
>Ralsei
Definitely could get some more discussion.
>Berdly
lmao dude what is there to discuss? I mean, we can throw random wild guesses and theories about what he might do in the future, I've even come up with a few myself, but as of right now he's just comic relief sitting there watching the game go by.

>>714317418
It was after his dad died sure, but way after. Like how every second is technically after midnight. This excuse is such cope

>>714319246
>buck cluck from behind the tree
Glad to see FWAB is still relevant even in death.

When will Susie apologize for that?

>>714316237
>he's a layered, interesting character
lol? lmao even?

>>714319538
This is why the Knight wants to cause the roaring. They entered the dark world at some point and fell in love with a darkner, but can't fully consumate and enjoy the relationship without darkness blanketing the world.
The Darkner the Knight fell in love with is the Rudinn that knows (our) name in Castletown

Yuritroons btfo
Doefags btfo
Xittertroons btfo
/co/mbler btfo

The purple dinosaur BELONGS to human men.

Cuck memes aren't funny.

>>714319964

>>714319782
If given the choice, I would take one of them to the fair. Ralsei of course gets priority.

Vanilla normal route Kriselle.

>>714320025
I want to believe...

>>714319834
I'm never read Homestuck so I need a QRD on what did he do that was controversial in comparison

>>714319964
Spamton Sweepstakes content shouldn't be taken as definitive canon anymore, as Toby himself said. We're probably going to get a revision of this event later in the game itself that's way better than what was laid out here.

>>714319774

>>714315583
>friend says this character reminds him of me
A-Am I the knight?

>>714319503
What about the opposite?

>>714320085
rape tall girls

>>714319964
She kinda did? It's not definitive but the intent's clearly behind that line.

>>714319923
So, the thing about Kralsei is that 80% of it is from the player hitting on him and 20% of it coming from Ralsei doing it while leaning on the 4th wall no matter how many times people draw them kissing while tossing the soul out.

Banishing me goes against my desire, I cannot be the Angel.
Checkmate, faggots.

>>714312615
Where is Carol?

>>714319992
What did (You) make Susie say?

>>714314282
You guys really have no idea how yurifags operate and it shows

>>714319774
>>714320096
Aoko = Susie
Alice = Kris
Soujuurou = Ralsei

>LOVE
>not love
How does this make any sense

>>714314149
>unfilled space

aieeeeeeeeee

>>714320228
THEN THE WORLD
WAS COVERED
IN DARKNESS.

>>714317000
>>714317137
>>714317342
what about him supporting trannies and feminism way after his dad died

>>714320186
That's not a proper apology

>>714318685
Sorry, anon. It is too late. You will begin seeing pregnant Virovirokuns and Mizzles floating around Castle Town shortly.

>>714320214
Things are going to change.
2026 will be the year of Kralsei
We're going to put Ralsei through so much suffering that Kris will have no choice but to fuck him.
The hug at the end of CH4 is all Kris.

>>714319809
>Is anyone actually fucked enough to play the normal route anymore
Me.
Because I like happy endings, lighthearted adventures, and don't have to be an edgy cunt to have them.
Though, I still have a weird route save in case I need to have multiple saves to get the true ending or something.

>>714320383
man, incels complain about plastic surgery more than anybody else. what the fuck is this shit? how do you fuck up dunking on incels? its like the easiest thing in the world

>>714310201 (OP)
>shipping garbage
this place is gonna become a nuclear waste dump when one of these pairings gets canonized

>>714319923
I wonder if Toby intended to keep the teas through the whole game, maybe letting you buy more in Castle Town, before deciding it was maybe too much work to keep straight. Or he didn't like the idea that you could "vibe check" between characters so blatantly as the story progressed.

>>714320085
Protect tall girls.

>>714320402
Which is why I said it's not a definitive apology, but she's still clearly talking about being regretful she ever bullied Kris.

>>714320383
Well that's some unhinged schizo rant.

>>714319391
Have you seen chapter 4 ending of snowgrave? What make you think she's the same person as the shadow creepy voice talking to Kris?

Rest of your conjectures are literally you falling for Toby's laser pointer distracting you with sinister framing

>>714320089
>character is an unapologetic, murderous, manipulative BITCH
>she's so over-the-top in this that she's actually extremely entertaining
>finally she went too far and was killed off
>she got a real heartfelt send-off and her character arc is finished satisfyingly
>BUT WAIT HUSSIE IS IN LOVE WITH HER
>so she is brought back as a ghost
>and she's an extremely important player again!
>and another character gets bullshit powers just so he can go back and retcon her death!
>and she gets to deal the killing blow to the actual big bad!
>and she's now trans or something!

>>714319964
She'll remember it right in the middle of her crashout on Kris.

>>714313786
why would your happy ending be in a video game? you have a whole life to live after deltarune

Ralsei?
Asriel and Dess's son, born in a Dark World.
A PRINCE of the DARK.

>>714320436
You mean the same hug that you have to choose a dialog option for Kris to start giving a shit about him? His tea would heal 100 if and only if You choose "its okay to not smile" which anyone with common sense who actually likes Ralsei would regardless if they want to fuck him or not.

Hmmm…let’s see which one will be canon. The ship where the two main characters actually have chemistry with each other, or an obsessed little lesbian who only has (1) good scene with her victim in chapter 2?

Very hard choice.

>>714319765
The identity of the voice on the phone is being obscured. They don't have a talk sound, it just plays a generic electronic effect.
It is very likely that this is not just them being hidden from the player for story convenience, but something actually being done in-story. Chapter 4 made it very clear that Kris and the others who know about the SOUL know that we can hear things even when we're not controlling Kris, when we might not even be visible. The voice on the phone is deliberately hiding their identity from us. They probably also told Kris to wipe their phone's contacts and history so we couldn't find out that way either.
Carol does not need to hide her identity in the Weird ending because she's calling and speaking to Kris purely in her capacity as Noelle's mother. Nothing she says is inherently suspicious or conspiratorial, aside from the fact that she's calling Kris at like 2 AM.

>>714315875
Sauce?

>>714320383
That chud in the video is not much less mentally ill than the trannies he seethes about.

>>714320383
yeah i am not looking forward to austins next game, thank god we got LISA before he became the biggest cuck imaginable.

>>714319964
>>714320402
Are you a woman or an Israeli?

>>714320621
And now I wonder how would aborted fetuses look like in the dark world.

>>714316103
>>714315875
lmao is sans her dealer too?

>>714320380
>the world being covered in darkness is the only ending because you will eventually stop playing
bravo toby

>>714315875
You usually don't call alcohol poisoning an "overdose"

Offer a prayer for him.

>>714314002
Undertale in its entirety is a dark world within Deltarune with only Sans and Papyrus being actual real creatures, hence why they just appeared in snowdin one day.

KRISLER
SUSIETROËN
RALS-ROYCE

THANKS FOR THE DRIVE, BUT NOW I MUST REFILL
HEEHEEHEE!

>>714320383
Wait both of those examples are bad.

>>714320756
Sans acts like a fucking drug dealer
Would anyone be surprised if he turned out to be one?

>>714320743
Anon, you've literally seen them already.

>>714320517
That's not really what she's expressing there... If she were I think she'd say something like "I didn't need to treat you like I did." As it is she's just acknowledging the boundaries that were between them

Where can I find the original stuff from Toby about his fever dream and how DR was the original game before UT?
Was it on his twitter or something?

>>714318178
asgore is unironically treated better than the dads in LISA though

>>714320756
>is sans her dealer too?
He looks like one. Just look at his clothes.

>>714320827
>KRISLER
>SUSIETROËN
>RALS-ROYCE
At first I thought those are some horrible new ships.

>>714320827
* And don't forget about the OLDSMOBILE

>>714320592
I will continue to support my interpretation of the events until someone constructs a more convincing alternative
It hasn't happened yet

>>714313249
yes but in the weird route carol also calls kris at like 2 AM to let him know about noelle

>>714320979
EGGSMOBILE

Dess deez nuts

>Ralsei or bust.

>>714320785
I'll only pray for Susie

>>714320929
>dresses like a fucking thug
>smarmy cunt
>purchased a house and entire shopfront despite being a lazy deadbeat
>frequently closes his front business during normal hours because he can't be bothered
>seduces single mothers and takes food literally out of their kids mouths
Only thing that's missing is the profanity. He's an E rated meth dealer

>>714320846
We all know what we'll make him smoke.

>>714320383
HAHAHAH LOOK AT THIS SHIT
https://www.youtube.com/@MarinaHovaW2D/videos
austinfags....
did he go full oneitis and literally whore out his magnum opus to a random roastie? why is she referring to it as HER youtube channel? why is her name infront of w2d?

>>714320785
>You put your hands together and said his name, blankly.
Fuck him. He left his town when it needed him the most. He abandoned Dess. He abandonded Kris. He abandoned Asgore.

>>714321089
Holy shit it all fits.

HOLY SHIT PAPYRUS DOESN'T COME OUT BECAUSE HE'S COOKING

>>714310201 (OP)
That's the point. You either see a cheesy forced poorly written romance or you're an evil rapist and you should feel bad about yourself, chud. Toby Fox isn't your ally, he's OUR ally, chud. Go back to your chud incel fantasies and leave superior queers alone.

Toby Fox hates his audience.

>>714320659
Nah, Toby throws a bone to people who discovered Snowgrave and give them a hint that Carol is not actually the villain here wit hthat phone call. Carol is not even sinister. She want Kris to protect Noelle, literally what Rudy and Catti says to him, too. She's also telling him he is welcomed in Holiday household and she yells at Susie messing with Dess personal items. She's literally being framed as villain for basic decent behavior.

>>714321073
I really hope we get a chance to visit him during the festival

>>714321032
He sold the eggsmobile project car after the divorce.
Sad.

>>714321073
I want to suck his cock while he hides his face

For me it's #TeamRudyKnight

>>714319962
Fill me in on this autism.

>>714310201 (OP)
Lesbianism is fetish material and cannot match the authenticity of high art (HMOA)

>>714320767
Only from your perspective. The spirit of sentimentality that hopes for a future that transcends the game's limited narrative is what will keep the world of Deltarune alive, much like how in Undertale, Flowey encourages you to not reset the game and let everyone live their lives on the surface, a life that successfully transcends the game's boundaries as was seen with the alarm clock app dialogue. Or how Chara chastises your "perverted sentimentality" if you keep doing repeat Genocide runs, destroying the world just to remake it and then destroy it again.
But more important to Deltarune itself, it's just like how Susie cares so much for Ralsei, Lancer and the other Darkners even though they aren't "real", they're real to her and that's all that matters, simple sentimentality.

>>714321226
>You either see a cheesy forced poorly written romance or you're an evil rapist
You, uh, worded that kinda wrong for the intent you were going for, I think.

>>714321189
I think it's more Kris isn't too worried about Asriel.

>>714321089
>frequently closes his front business during normal hours because he can't be bothered
I remember watching some black standup comedy where the guy was complaining about how easy it was to spot front businesses ran by black dealers comparing to white ones because they barely even stocked their shelves.

>>714319367
But I can imagine I can.

>>714321159
>toby has access to all of the dangerous tumblr pussy in the world
>never falls and endangers his masterpiece

>austin (who is FAT as FUCK now btw, nowhere near his prime) finally attracts one random controlling whore
>YES YES HERES HER GAME IM SIGNING OFF ON IT, MY LISA OST? HER NAME INFRONT OF MINES, AND ILL BE TAKING HER LAST NAME TOO! YABBA DABBA DOOOOOOO

How the tables have turned.

I always find these threads when they re at bumplimit

>>714321159
I wish I didn't learn all this stuff about Austin.

>>714320802
Nah, Papyrus is an import. Otherwise he'd bleed like Sans does, but he doesn't.

>>714321290
my autistic reasoning for why it can't be rudy is that he has a talk sprite, and none of the other secret bosses have one. so if hes the knight he can't have one either

>>714321413
That's when the fun begins

>>714321196
>>714321089
>instead of blue attacks, Papyrus has blue meth

>>714321159
I'm getting serious Anisa's husband vibes.

>>714321313
just an old slideshow comic some kid made that /v/ read together

>>714320383
What a faggot.

>>714321413
Don't worry, all the best theories happen at the same time.

>>714321260
We 100% will and maybe we get to introduce Noelle to Castle Town.

>>714321089
LMAO Sans is a nigger.

>>714320383
Jesus.

>>714321404
>toby has access to all of the dangerous tumblr pussy in the world
>never falls and endangers his masterpiece
Yeah, he fell for a japanese pussy instead.

>>714321260
I understand.

>>714321254
>Nah, Toby throws a bone to people who discovered Snowgrave and give them a hint that Carol is not actually the villain here wit hthat phone call.
It's the exact opposite. Why the fuck would Carol be calling Kris at 2 in the morning if she wasn't the voice on the phone? That's not normal.
>She want Kris to protect Noelle
Yeah she's nothing but well-intentioned and welcoming, that's why her "theme song" sounds like this and Kris says she feels like ice on his shoulder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7x_hu4t4Y

I'm playing Undertale for the first time after being a outside observer ever since the demo. Feels weird to actually 'participate' now.

>>714321089
Holy shit this fits.
>Sans only saved her from the church because she's a potential #1 customer

>>714321548
I love Rando, man.
He doesn't deserve what happened.
Imagine if Buddy had landed on his turf first.
I know who did it, but still.

>>714321427
As someone who had the misfortune of following him on twitter this entire time, we are lucky he completed his life's work before he went off the deep end.

I will always remember the gigachad Austin we had on LISA's release, but effectively he's dead now.

>>714321691
KILL THEM ALL
KILL KILL KILL

AND DON'T RELOAD PUSSY

>>714320383
>>714317137
>>714317342
I APOLOGIZE TOBY FOX!!! I SHOULD HAVE RESPECTED YOU MORE!!! I DIDN'T KNOW THE LISA DEV WAS THE BIGGEST FAGGOT ALIVE!! I KNEEL AND CONCEDE FUUUCK

>>714321558
toriel was the one who ran over Dess when she was drunk and ass-gore covered up the whole thing and gaslighted toriel into thinking it was his fault because he feared losing her.

>>714321691
make sure to finish the game before joining the threads to avoid spoilers

>>714321674

>>714321660
くそを食って死ね

>>714321660
Toby knows mandarin, it's more likely he falls for chink pussy, but Temmie is already his artslave so he won.

>>714321089
Haha anon that's totally ridiculous --
>first thing he does in undertale is hand you a baggie and help you evade police

>>714321660
>sskomu had offered Toby her body to make Krusie canon
It all makes sense now.

>>714321089
>>714321196
Best theory so far.

>>714321476
weiner too small

>>714321273
> papyrus in the group chat
heh

>>714321865
Is this the new tard class? Someone make a screencap.

>>714321404
>>714321159
>>714320383
>>714317342
>>714317137
austinfags we will never recover from this

>Sans is supposed to be a comic
>Gaster is the scientist
>Papyrus is the fighter

Papyrus is canonically the strongest skeleton.

>>714313769
Kris is a MAN, I've seen his penis before.

>>714321689
It wasn't 2am, it was just evening. Carol was worried Noelle would hang with Susie who will trigger Dess PTSD.Carol doesn't know Kris is close with Susie

>>714321926
https://files.catbox.moe/1hqsuh.gif
It's the perfect size

>>714322059
post it

>>714321159
pretty sure ive seen him advertise this game more than LISA the joyful, or LISA definitive

>>714321859
>one of the FUN events is Sans making an unsolicited phone call that seems like a prank setup, but is actually him seeing if he can "deposit the brewskis" in your fridge

>>714322057
>Sans is supposed to be a comic
Black comedian, judging by his other source of income.

>>714321802
Go work on chapter 5 Toby.

>>714320089
removed all her character development using time travel

>>714318094
Schizo boards, even when they aren't being used to suggest a character is crazy, tend to be an indication that the character is trying to figure things out as opposed to being in the know themselves. They aren't in on the conspiracy, they're actually the ones trying to bust it.

It does prove that Carol has some involvement in the plot though. That she isn't exclusively just the mayor of the city and completely clueless about what's going on.

>>714320673
It's an isolated frame, don't expect anything good.
https://x.com/Einter_emz/status/1939005521195082243

>>714320089
>>714320593
additional context

>>714321864
Who is sskomu?

>>714322230
if you can read something you wrote and not hate it, you have NPD. end of discussion.

>>714322071
Asgore is a big man
How did she fuck him with something so small?

>>714321159
>All the links in the channel description are to her socials

>>714322230
6 years and counting

>>714317487
Wait a minute

>>714321849
>Toby knows mandarin
There's no way he knows Mandarin. He would have learned Japanese a lot sooner.

>>714321089
Sans is innocent.

>>714322295
For you

>>714321159
>look her up
did she get PLAPPED and POUNDED by vin diesel?

>>714321089
>>714321196
>>714321478
>>714321705
>>714321859
>>714322113
Stop. My sides are in orbit.

>>714321548
Loliwives.

>>714322230
oh my god how embarrassing

>>714322325
>he doesnt know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4je0LlhDSnQ

>>714322286
Female Japanese artist obsessed with Krusie. Made tons of Krusie art, some Krusie doujins and even one count of Krusie yaoi. Does not understands their goblin character dynamics, unfortunately.

>>714321089
>>714315875
>I'm at yo momma house
>I'm at yo momma house
>"Kris go back to sleep"

>>714321782
Unfortunately I've spoiled myself on almost all the major aspects of the game, since I didn't think of playing it until recently- it's always been a bad habit of mine. I'm probably gonna do a Pacifist run, but I won't force myself and just try to go with the flow at my own pace.

>>714322230
What a moron

>>714320827
>>714320946
>>714320979
https://youtu.be/QZ8A63GHLvY?si=tMLmJO1HtlW8K6b6

>>714322070
>It wasn't 2am, it was just evening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1fPfxLYg-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbzmYjE49N4

>>714322182
I have no doubt Carol was trying to find out what happened to her daughter, but she knows now. Now it's probably basically just a prop for Asgore because she knows he'd go snooping around in her room and whatever cooperation they have seems to be at least partially on the pretense that she's helping him solve the case.

>>714322395
>Toriel is an absolutely batshit wild party animal who can't resist lapsing back into her college girl days as soon as she gets the opportunity
>said partying involves alcohol, so who's to say it can't involve drugs too?

>>714322529
This is canon

>>714322526
>Does not understands their goblin character dynamics, unfortunately.
I think she latched on to them as a couple wayyyyy early in the game's story, formed an entire couple and family dynamic in her head based on the information she had then, and by the time Kris and Susie's 2goblins1braincell shenanigans started she was already too fixed on her interpretation, where Susie is more a typical tsundere and Kris more a prettyboy.

>>714322728
God, I've got to read those doujins, I only stumble upon them when I'm masturbating and end up avoiding them intentionally because that's my rule not to fap to franchises I'm invested in.

> Carol is trying to hijack the prophesy because it leads to Noelle's death.
> Carol is the monster hero.
> Dess (conntrolling Kris body) is the human cage hero.
> Asgore is the knight and the second prince of darkness. He is being manipulated by Carol.
> Ralsei is the embodiment of the 'Royal blood'. He looks like child Asgore due the connection.
I'm not getting off this theory until chapter 5.

>>714322548
If you have the patience (a full run is like 8 hours tops, faster if you're not doing everything or already know what you're doing) it's worthwhile to do a Neutral run first, if you feel like that's what you'd naturally do. There's a lot of cool shit people don't get to see when they just do one Pacifist run and go right into Genocide after.

>>714322526
Sauce to the doujin?

>>714315910
>becomes the metaphorical Dragon
The dragon sounds like an ally to me. You stop them in Chapter 1, but they continue to be a pivotal figure since the video game is named after them. If they're the big bad, why is Susie happy Gerson calls her it?

>>714322959
Just search by tags.

>>714314659
Means to an end.

>>714322954
There literally isn't, unless you refer to reacting to boss deaths and that does not justify a full playthrough. not even close

Pacifist REQUIRES a full neutral completion, you cannot do pacifist without it, so an actual neutral run with the occasional kill on its own is not worth it at all
you're talking about maybe 5-6 textboxes being different over 8 hours of playing the same shit

Good morning! =)
Ralsei is Kris
Rudy is the Knight
You are the Angel
Dess is a red herring
Undertale is just a dark world
and of course, Op is a faggot. just had to include that.

>>714322970
>If they're the big bad, why is Susie happy Gerson calls her it
Because it's big, cool, badass and probably purple like her?

>>714323203
all wrong except the last line

>>714323203
Only one of this theories is correct.
Just kidding, it's not a theory, it's an axiom

>>714323203
>Ralsei is Kris
How would that even work

>>714323189
Sorry you never actually played Undertale.

>>714322901
Weakling.

>>714323338
he's the manifestation of kris' desire to be a monster and fit into the dreemur family

>>714319782
>they're not girls to add to the Kris shipping dodecahedron
NOT WITH THAT ATTITUDE THEY'RE NOT

>>714323338
There's been a theory that Ralsei is actually Kris's idealised version of himself.

Dess is a human. Dess is Chara.

>>714323203
All terrible theories.

>>714318525
>Knight obviously want to abduct Carol
Why? They already have shelter access.
>Toriel (deltarune symbol)
Why would the bomb shelter keys be given to the mayor, the chief of police and a random school teacher (who is also the chief of police's wife)? Obviously Alvin has it, which is why when you ask him about the shelter, he directly tells you to stay away from it. Any other character would be confused and say they don't know anything about it or try to direct you to someone who might know more. You ask him and he smacks you for sticking your nose in places it doesn't belong. Why would he do that if it weren't something he himself was partially responsible for? He has the code.

Also, the Knight could've kidnapped Toriel in Chapter 3 and very clearly never even tried.

>>714323203
I can't be the Angel.
Banishing me goes against my desire.

>>714323472
>>714323485
There is a big difference between Ralsei being an idealized monsterzona of Kris and Ralsei literally being Kris.

>>714323472
>>714323485
>Kris' ideal version of himself is a doormat who has none of his mischievousness
yeah ok whatever you say

>>714317997
Obligatory appearance

Kris penis
Ralsei penis
Susie penis

>>714323520
>artists ruining their photos with watermarks that obscure the details
that'll teach the ai bros

Toriel penis?

>>714323203
>Undertale is just a dark world
And this one'll always be true. Undertale characters all have merch, their Lightner counterparts in Deltarune don't.
Even Sans in Undertale is just another Darkner, else he would've been mysteriously absent from having merchandise entirely.

>>714323619
This. If anything, he wanted to be more like Dess.

>>714323712
INCREDIBLE plot twist: Kris' penis is actually bigger than Susie's.
Ralsei's is just slightly below average but not, like, a very noticeable amount.

>>714323712
kris? females don't have a penis
ralsei? 12 inches
susie? same as kris (unless futa susie, who is 10 inches)

>>714323821
cock size is as follows
Ralsei > Susie > Kris > Noelle > (You)

>>714323821
>>714323865
STOP. I DON'T WANT TO IMAGINE THOSE THINGS

>>714323737
She doesn't have one.

>>714323760
Precisely. He's being everything Asriel isn't in hopes of escaping his shadow, and yet everyone still looks at him and thinks about Asriel because they'd rather not think about how Kris is emulating Dess, lest bad memories get dredged up.

If ralsei was a girl do you think she'd be more popular than Susie or Noelle?

>>714323712
>>714323821
Girls dont have dicks faggot

>>714322920
Sorry, we don't discuss theories unless they're about penis sizes.

>>714324024
only on page 10

>>714324013
Source?

Ok enough about cocks, let's talk about our good friend Gaster and his peni- I mean his plans for DELTARUNE

>>714323989
I'm not really a fan of the super docile and servile type, but she'd probably have a hefty fanbase.

>>714324180
>DELTARUNE is just a euphemism for cock

>>714324152
kris is NOT an agp faggot pervert who gets a boner from crossdressing