Why is paladin the most played class in every fucking game ever that has it available? Paladin is the epitome of lack of creativity
>HURFIT DURFIT ME HOLY FAGIT WARRIOR :DDD

you sound like those devs that cry about men self-inserting and not wanting to play as le quirky chungus demon with pink horns

>>714396932 (OP)
>Demon Hunter, Monk, Evoker, Adventurer
wtf are those

cos paladins are based
trannoid druids are cringe tho

>>714396932 (OP)
I'm more surprised at how little rogues there is, it's easily one of the funniest classes

>4 totally organic WoW threads an hour during a totally hype event
Blizzard is seriously desperate I take it?

>>714396932 (OP)
>tranny game
>why do trannys pick the tranny class
Gee i wonder

>>714397254
>Demon hunter is just illidan the class™
>Monk is just kung fu panda
>Evoker is just scalies doing dragon magic
Idk what adventurer is

>>714397254
>Monk
Mists of Pandaria

>Demon Hunter
Legion

>Evoker
Dragonflight

>Adventurer
Not a real class. It's only usable by blizzard developers to test content.

>>714397389
Rogue is unanimously the least fun class. A melee class with no self-heal is a joke.

>>714397609
>Cork pop
>Potion sfx
>Gulp gulp
Mhmmm yummy crimson vial

>>714396932 (OP)
what's that?? smells like herectic bitch tears, let me purge them with my holy light you sodomite,
now on a serious note, despite nublizztrannies writers trying have stunning, brave & subversive(™) writing, won't change the fact that in classic fantasy being a holy warrior purging evil with your holy powers is one of the peakest male fantasy

>>714396932 (OP)
popularity is a function of how easy a class is to play, how many things it can do, and how many other classes do the same thing
paladin has consistently been both the easiest melee dps, easiest tank, and easiest healer in the game so it's on top
druid has four specs and does every role so it's also disproportionately popular
hunter is the only bow class in the entire game so for archerfags there is only one choice while swordfags can play warrior, paladin, DK, etc
simple as

>>714397960
>25% heal tied to a 30 seconds cooldown

>faggotdin
>because you must be ready to godmode and heartstone like a faggot
i hate this shit game so much and the retards that still play it

>>714398016
holy avenger is a classic for a reason

>>714396932 (OP)
Fuck you faggot. Paladins are awesome, thats why. Only a pussy ass bitch would balk at the opportunity to play an armored warrior of divine retribution burning away evil with furious holy might.
Eat a dick.

the chart is rigged because in wow people flock to plug and play classes for convenience

their class design is just retarded and no one wants to learn 54 button combinations just to kill random mobs while doing quests
paladin druid and hunter just happen to be the most convenient classes

>>714396932 (OP)
Most people in wow play the classes that are sterong in troon+ or raids at that moment. Once some of the top classes get some nerfs people will jump to the next strong class.

>>714396932 (OP)
Because Paladins and Druids let you play as every role without needing to make another character.

>>714398857
monk does too though and it's only above rogue
that's because it actually takes skill to play brew and mw though

>>714398764
Speaking of, any games where you can actually play as a Paladin thats not pozzed out the anus with globalhomo?

>>714398773
First of all how the fuck is a new player going to know what classes are the most straight forward to play?

And second of all how is hunter easier to play than a warrior?

And third of all even if this is true how is it "rigged"? It's still the class distribution of the current playerbase.

>>714398328
>Vanish has up to two charges
>Shadow dance has up to two charges

Stop acting like they don't have any self heal

>>714396932 (OP)
>mfw playing BFA Demon Hunter
That's the last time I had fun with the game, it was so stupidly busted, but then again every other class was busted in some way.

>>714397397
One of them is mine :)
I don't play, I just think the lore is fun

>>714396932 (OP)
Blizzard marketeer hours

>>714399050
>hmm i'm going to play world of warcraft in 2025
>googles "easiest wow class"
>top results are paladin/hunter
simple as

>>714399109
>just stay invisible for 30 seconds bro you will definitely get high m+ ratings this way

>>714397087
I play as the quirky chungus demon with pink horns and also paladin
What now?

>>714399119
You missed out on shadowlands pvp DH, they had an ability that would 100 to 0 people

>>714399209
>9:50 AM Irvine, California
You might be right.

>>714396932 (OP)
I was a rogue, stopped playing after Wotlk. I'm glad I quit the before it became so awful

>>714399050
>a new player
kek
>And second of all how is hunter easier to play than a warrior?
BM hunter is the quintessential solo class that does everything and has no complexity, warrior is a a lot more narrow and keeps changing every expansion

>how is it "rigged"?
I mean rigged as in, there's reasons for it to show like that other than just what a player aesthetically gravitates to like OP implied

>>714397397
why would blizzard be shilling a left-wing game on a right-wing website?

>>714396932 (OP)
They look cool and are always extremely simple to play effectively. You tell me a game where full plate armor and self healing and buffs out the wazoo isn't absolutely whack. Ret in particular is historically one of the easiest specs in the whole game.

i find the concept of the warrior upsetting
their whole gimmick is they get mad
this emotional instability is their entire identity
a complete liability if you think about it, not admirable at all

>>714399209
It’s been marketing hours 24/7 for the past week.
They are trying desperately to get people to play the event and hop back on the mogsmountscheevos treadmill

>>714397397
>>714399209
>>714399438

>>714399615
NTA but have you been absent for the past decade?

>>714399245
>just stay invisible for 30 seconds bro you will definitely get high m+ ratings this way
Room temp IQ take, you forget we have cloak of shadows, evasion and cheat death. It's impossible to die as a rogue unless you're shit

>>714399762
>no argument

>>714396932 (OP)
how the fuck did they make rogue unpopular?

>>714399651
Yeah it's really noticeable.

>talking about videogames on /v/? that's marketing

>>714396932 (OP)
wtf is evoker

>>714399836
powercrept hard
have to compete with three other leather classes now
rogue CC isn't busted as shit like it was in vanilla

>>714399975
Kek

>>714396932 (OP)
I haven't played this game beyond 3.3.5a, what the fuck is "Evoker"?

>>714399836
Rogue was only popular in early expacs because they were completely busted in 1v1 pvp
as the classes became balanced and homogenized, that became less and less true with each expac

buy an ad jew

>>714396932 (OP)
Now show vanilla, the only version that matters

>>714400149
TBC*

>>714400119
you do not wanna know

>>714400119
don't ask. just don't.

>>714400119
New dragonflight class that can only be played by the dragon race. The skills are your own dragonbreath, the gimmick is that therefore they come from you in a cone and you must position yourself accordingly.

Because of this it has a very high skill ceiling and isn't very rewarding, so it's not a popular class.

It's especially frustrating for healing because if your party isn't sticking together, you can't heal everyone at once.

>>714396932 (OP)
wtf is evoker

>>714400371
see >>714400342

Getting that annual itch to play WoW again. Is it worth it? Probably would play classic since I've heard retail is shit as usual.

>>714399828
>im being intentionally dense
Ok shill

>>714396932 (OP)
wtf I assumed Priest would be way higher

>>714400472
Retail is better than ever. War Within is the best expansion since MoP. So it depends on what you want. If you want slow leveling, slow mounts, socialization, it's classic. If you want fast paced difficult content that emphasizes on precision and mechanics, it's retail.

Retail is also going through bfa timewalking (lets you get max level in 6 hours) and an event that increases pre-dragonflight mount drop rates by a flat 5%, which is 50x for most mounts. It'll last all of July.

>>714400472
Both are shit and dead.

https://ironforge.pro/population/classic/

Worgen men owe me sex
What class should I play?

>>714400472
i'm feeling the same itch but i fucking hate blizzard and don't want to give them anything so i'm waiting for that classic+ pserver that launches in a few weeks

>>714400472
>>714400651
Make it less obvious you retard.
Jesus Christ this is pathetic

>>714400472
If you're going to play classic then you should just self-host your own server or play on one of the popular private servers.
Giving Blizzard money to keep ruining the game is something done by absolute retards.

>>714400670
Man...
The fuck happened to us...

>>714400729
Just play turtle wow, I know I will be soon

>>714400651
Is the player population pretty good still? And does endgame still revolve around doing "delves" or whatever?

>>714399047
Dice and paper RPG with your friends.
I don't have a group anymore, but I miss playing my gruff war vet paladin eternally seething at the evil all around him. That was a fun character.
RIP Vrakk Torun.

magic knights design is often not restrained enough, paly and dk have been busted a lot

>>714400638
priest is held back by being absolute dick fuck ass to play by itself. shadow sucks when other classes blow up mobs instantly and the other two specs are nodamage healers.

>>714399836
Heavily reliant on RNG, overly bloated rotation, turning Vanish into a mandatory DPS cooldown for every spec, tying damage heavily to stealth meaning if the tank pulls more mobs before you can restealth (they will) your DPS goes through the basement, worst hero talents in the game, terrible mobility, they are absolutely and indisputably the worst melee class in the game and melee is already harder to play in general than ranged. Retribution Paladin is #1 by far because it's so simple and easy, and on top of that it's practically a ranged spec itself with 90% of its abilities being usable from a distance which makes it easy to position and run around the danger spots while continuing to do DPS. Meanwhile Rogues don't even have their 3 yard melee ability anymore so if you fuck up positioning even slightly you either die or lose major time trying to avoid fire and get back to the boss.

Rogues are dead as a class, the only reason they're not below Evoker (a class only a single race has access to) is because of the diehards who love the class fantasy too much to ever play anything else. Just another symptom of the overall terrible balance and game mechanics in TWW in general. People hyper focus on all of the woke shit in the game now but TWW is bad just as WoW expansion mechanically and content wise as well. Not that the faggot shills who populate threads like this would ever admit that, though.

Obvious advertisement in this thread.

>>714400224
i think the last bout of classic showed that tbc wasn't up to the hype
there's a reason the majority of private servers are vanilla too
it's simply the best

>>714401001
>Is the player population pretty good still?
Still the most popular MMORPG by a long mile so of course.

>And does endgame still revolve around doing "delves" or whatever?
The endgame has never been about delves.

Delves are essentially catch-up gear. If you are gearing an alt you can get 4 champion piece and 1 heroic piece per week from delves. You can also unlock some vault slots but they will be low level compared to what you would unlock doing raids or m+.

The endgame gear treadmill still revolves m+ and raids.

>>714400915
>roll on non-fresh pserver
>no one to play with during leveling
>all raiding guilds are already full
yeah no thank you

>>714401085
The catalog for the past week has had at least 4 WoW threads on it at all times. They have really upped the ante on this shit.

>>714401186
I see, thanks, maybe I'll try it out again

>>714401186
>still the most popular mmo by a mile
Less active players than XIV thoughbeit

>>714401206
project epoch at the end of the month

>>714401354
that's what i'm waiting for

>>714401160
Nah, I still like TBC best. Vanilla has better content but TBC has infinitely better class and system design.

>>714400651
Oh crap just looked up The War Within. How can this expansion even be real considering modern Blizzard standards. They fixed the entire fucking game, at least when it comes to gameplay.

Resubbing.

>>714401186
>>714401316
>1 min apart
WoW is seriously fucking dead if this is what they are resorting to

>>714401470
Stop being a schizo.

>>714401316

>>714401347
Venruki makes this video like two or three times every season. Its the only content he has.
I would say he should just move on from PvP, but thats literally all he has going for him.

>>714400638
Discipline being overpowered every expac is the only thing priest ever has going for it. Most people play DPS and will gravitate to ret or huntard because of how easy they are.

>>714401354
>another classicslop
"no"

is demon hunter fun? I haven't played ever since warlords of draenor, considering going back to try that and evoker

because Paladin, particularly ret, got a rework this expansion that made them extremely satisfying to play, have OK utility and are also extremely to play as of this season

>>714401558
You’re not subtle, marketer-kun. Anyone with eyes can tell the game is fucking dead. Servers are ghost towns AFTER they closed and merged a bunch of them

>>714397389
because rogues are shit and so extremely hard to play properly in r*tail wow

>War Within is the best expansion since MoP.
is this their new ad campaign?

>>714401708
it has less buttons than ret paladin so no not really
if you're the kind of person who likes to walljump out of bounds though then it's actually fun because it's retardedly good at that

>>714401778
Literally never a ghost town

I've played WoW for 36 consecutive hours and at all times of the day the capital was crowded and I did not struggle finding groups for raids and m+

>>714401778
the fact that they had to merge servers and the AH is proof enough that the game is dead
don't engage with marketers

>>714401823
is the auto-attack talent still meta?

>>714399651
>>714401228
Man WoW must be really dead right now.

>>714401938
>the fact they did away with inconvenience and let you play together with your friends is proof the game is dead

>>714401974
no clue i don't play the game anymore

>disingenuous retard marketer post
i shan't be replying

>>714401684
>another classickino
"YES"

>>714401974
For m+ yes it is, for raids no

>>714401645
Yeah, he really missed the boat of pivoting out of WoW as a content creator. I get his views drop every time he doesn't stream arena but damn he really should've taken the Pikaboo route a long time ago and started branching out to other games.

>>714401854
>36 consecutive hours
Goodest goy

>>714401069
>terrible mobility
>Meanwhile Rogues don't even have their 3 yard melee ability anymore
jesus christ, rogue used to be all about the mobility and the extra 3 yards of melee range made outlaw feel great. it's sad to see rogue in that state. thanks for typing that all up and letting me know how bad things really are. it feels like ret has been the pet spec for ages now.

I can't believe how unfun Mage is. It's supposed to be the standard fare cool wizard blast class and it's fucking so anti-fun.

>>714401938
>the fact that they had to merge servers and the AH is proof enough that the game is dead
https://www.wowhead.com/news/auction-house-for-everyone-wowhead-economy-weekly-wrap-up-241-328453
>Earlier this week, patch 9.2.7 was released which combined the Auction House for all realms into one big region-wide pool, but only for Commodities.
>Up until now, players have been isolated to their own particular realm or connected realm in terms of Auction House markets
>It has also made the Auction House incredibly accessible to all.

Marketing or not I got the itch and resubbed.

Hope TWW is as good as people are saying it is.

>>714396932 (OP)
I avoided paladin forever, but I realized a month ago that ret is actually incredibly fun in mop and retail, so that's all I've been playing.

>>714401819
Someone post "those" ads webms

>>714401938
Allowing cross faction grouping was a really big tell.

>>714402410
>game has had a noticeable downtrend since BFA
>suddenly they are releasing these merging changes that people have been asking for since vanilla
The writing is on the wall, anon.

>>714402524
jesus i forgot about that
yeah there's no bigger sign that the game is dead than letting alliance and horde group together because neither side has enough pop

>>714402403
I don't get how all three specs got so bad. I'm a meleefag, but still. The last time I enjoyed playing mage was probably BfA. Maybe Shadowlands, but I honestly do not remember SL mage because of how little I played that expansion.
DF and TWW mage has felt really unfun to play. I just wanna sling fireballs without feeling like a schizo guitarist going at full blast on the strings.

>>714402454
Story is retarded dogshit ass vomit.
Dungeons and raids are fun. Delves are piss easy, but kinda chill to fuck around in.
Some of the zones are really nice.

enhancement is the only fun melee

holy samefag thread
you are pathetic buddy

>>714401938
>>714402524
Server merges are too obvious at that point everyone can see it so they had to do it this way which is less obvious

>class is bad because.... it is le popular

I am surprised that the never released playable Nagas.

>>714402565
>>714402702
>>714402524
This is a very dishonest argument.

WoW population has been much lower historically.

It is known that sub numbers increase with expansion/new seasons and decrease after ~2 months of no new content.

Blizzard realized that some realms would only remain alive for a few weeks, and then they would die until new content released. They realized that players kept migrating to populated realms, making them even more bloated while low population realms kept getting more and more empty.

It was always the logical solution and the biggest QoL easily. And it is not linked to any record deficit of players.

The grim truth that /v/ refuses to accept is that according to official sub numbers the game is fine. Same as it has always been: ~7m subscribers and over 1m unique daily players.

Paladin and Druid is much more creative than Fighter and Rogue

>posts the still unproven bellular graph

>I am actually enjoying my Outlaw Rogue
>it is total crap in group content
Sadge.

>>714403150
What happened in battle for azeroth?

>dh
>mog fist weapons
Yeah, now were gaming

>>714403330
It was shit. Like, really shit. Like, holy fuck it was so retardedly dogshit it made you want to rip you anus out your toenails.

>>714396932 (OP)
>wow boomers only play the most braindead classes
wow

>>714396932 (OP)
are you trying to claim that 'holy magic knight' doesn't have broad appeal?

>>714396932 (OP)
>tank spec
>healer spec
>dps spec
>"why palluhdin popalur?"
Druid being second place should have been a hint.

>>714396932 (OP)
Isn't Paladin, Warrior and Druid consistently incredibly good in all of their specs?

>>714396932 (OP)
Why is it a surprise that hybrids and great soloing classes are the most played?

>>714403330
Insane amounts of borrowed power, basically impossible to stay competitively in it if you were not grinding a lot of bullshit every single week. Turned the game into a chore of endless farming.

Like, they give you 5 systems and you have to grind every single one to stay on top.

In comparison TWW gives you 5 systems and you can do whatever you find the most fun, all of them lead to the same destination and there is no borrowed power aside from a free bis ring and belt that takes 10 minutes to get (and once you unlock it you have it for free in every alt)

why doesn't anyone play warlock? that was my favorite class

>>714403524
nah, prot warriors cycle between good and unplayable dogshit while druids generally have only one or two playable specs

>>714396932 (OP)
>rogue from one of the most popular to least popular
the gameplay must he absolute trash

>>714403524
Fuck no

Paladin is unanimously the worst tank in the game.

Like, just for comparison, there is a test where they take a popular tank scenario from a +15 dungeon and test how long it takes for every tank spec to solo it. Most of them take ~3 minutes.

Paladin is forced to bubblehearth 10 seconds into the scenario.

Paladin also can't clear it at +14 or +13, only at +12.

Holy paladin is also dogshit. Retribution is still good though.

As for warrior: Fury is one of the worst DPS in the game right now. Mostly because your cleave is limited to 5 mobs.

As for druid I do believe it is decent at every spec right now yeah, at least not as embarrassingly bad as fury warrior or pala tank

It's dead.

>>714399836
as a rogue main from tbc till tww, and still a rogue main, these are the issues that drive people away:

>too many buttons for not enough output
>stealth isn't nearly as useful as it used to be
>no good class representation in the main cast of the current most important npcs
>pickpocketing isn't good for anything any more
>self heal costs resources and a gcd when some specs can get to gcd cap
>Blind is a talent and not baked into the rogue spellbook
>years of adding DR to shit means stuns are worthless past the opener

>>714396932 (OP)
>easiest classes at the top
>hardest classes at the bottom
filthy fucking casuals destroying my game

Good to see DK (the coolest class) is still a hipster class.

>>714403150
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En37mptMGGU

>>714403865
The most boring spec is always the strongest with the other 2 being either complete shit or at best subpar

>>714403865
>affliction sucks dick to play in modern wow where everything dies in 0.01 seconds with any other class
>demo is absolutely fucktarded and gay
>and that just leaves destro which is budget fire mage

>>714397389
Why would I play rogue when can play any other melee dps and do more damage way more easily

>>714404108
Let frost DK use fist weapons already
I need my icy claws NOW

>>714403524
Warrior is either decent at best and outright mediocre depending on the spec, so no.

>>714404220
>>affliction sucks dick to play in modern wow where everything dies in 0.01 seconds with any other class
weird argument when everyone is playing m+ where stuff takes a long time to die, also using low level content as an argument will never be valid

the real problem with affliction is the exact opposite: the class is centered around applying dots just to use a spell that consumes them for big damage (I forgot its name)

so instead of dealing damage with dots you're dealing damage with a single target spell that removes your own dots, it's retarded and against the spec's fantasy

>>714404220
Green fire is still cool.

Which is the most braindead tank that doesn't look like a fucking bear?

>>714404276
Frost is for BIG WEAPON.
OBLITERATE

>Monk above Rogue
I haven't played in like 10 years but even I don't believe this.

>>714404393
>mazed m+ rat gives his utterly worthless opinion
lol

rogue is still great for pvp

should blizzard should throw a bone to rogue and design a cheesy pve spec that can compete with other melee classes with a braindead rotation, tons of damage and tons of self-heal just to keep the class numbers artificially up? I think this is not necessary

>>714404014
>no good class representation in the main cast
Sir? Your faggot Rogue class leader is right there! What could be better representation than that in modern day WoW?

>>714404108
I think it's because Blood and Unholy exist and even though you can be a retard and still succeed at playing them, a lot of people just don't like their playstyles.
Which is fine because it means more for me.

>>714396932 (OP)
best class spells and simple to run and immortal

>>714404570
>complain about content where everything dies in 3 seconds and you don't have the time to cast more than 2 spells
>be snarky when someone suggests playing the real content that forces you to use your entire spellbook, trinkets and then some
there is absolutely no reason not to play m+

that is, unless you are one of these shitters that are "afraid of playing m+ and ruining someone's key" (kek)

>>714404618
Shaw being a faggot isn't what killed his character. its him have an existential breakdown afterwards instead of getting his ass to work is what was so OOC

Vanessa wearing pants also rustled my jimmies

>>714404618
I actually forgot about this faggot. Yeah it's a perfect rep for rogue players.

>>714404710
>mazed m+ rat gives his utterly worthless opinion
lol

>>714396932 (OP)
>Adventurers
lol!
lmao, even!
How is this trash class still in the game?

>>714404557
Rogue is dead dude, it is quite amazing that Blizzard managed to kill a class that used to be among the top three most popular in the game, but after years and years of fucking up the class, nobody but the most diehard masochists touch that flaming pile of garbage now. It honestly should even be lower than it is, it's easily the worst and shittiest class in the game to play.

>>714404531
Blood, probably. I'm dogshit and an unbelievably retarded mouth breathing moron, but even I can play blood and be basically immortal.

>>714396932 (OP)
>2 gayest classes the most played
>rogue lower than monk
What sort of bullshit has this game come to?

>>714404550
Frost is for FAST RIP AND TEAR
ICY TALONS
ICY TALONS
ICY TALONS

>/wowg/ dead
That explains it.

>>714396932 (OP)
Woker furries dead last, where they belong!
Fursecution soon™!

>>714404710
m+ is slop

>>714404758
>complain about content where everything dies in 3 seconds and you don't have the time to cast more than 2 spells
>be snarky when someone suggests playing the real content that forces you to use your entire spelbook, trinkets and then some
there is absolutely no reason not to play m+

that is, unless you are one of these shitters that are "afraid of playing m+ and ruining someone's key" (kek)

>>714404732
I'd say Flynn got killed as character more than Shaw did, his entire questline in BfA was about him crushing on Bolvars daughter, then suddenly he's a faggot. I think I read Flynn was an Afrasiabi character though and the devs made him a faggot as an insult to him after he left the company.

>>714404531
All of them except maybe Monk but I haven't played Brewmaster in years so maybe it's just as braindead as the others.
Prot Warrior is easy.
Prot Paladin is easy.
Blood DK is easy.
Vengeance DH is also easy.
Literally just pick what you think looks the coolest, all the tank specs are easy and it revolves more around positioning and one of your 36 CD uses rather than anything complex.

>>714404994
Evoker just kinda sucks to play but Dracthyr are super popular ever since they opened them up to other classes.

>>714405091
yeah Flynn being gay was far more shocking. As with most rogues things like love interests never really came up, so Shaw actually being gay never bothered me.

But I think he could do better

>>714404393
>75% of players never touch M+
>90% of players never get KSM which is basically free if you have two brain cells
>99% of players never go higher than KSM which is the only point where you start to actually be able to use dot classes to their full potential
nah, it's a perfect explanation for why the spec is unpopular. the fact that they needed to give the spec a "blow up all your dots" button is emblematic of the fundamental problems with dot classes in a game where 99% of people only do content where things die in seconds.

Post yfw Anduin gets saved by blue space goat pussy

most fun class if I just resub to fuck around for a month?

>Monk being so near the bottom
What is the issue with them this time? My poor class has never had it good.

>Evoker
What the hell is even that

>>714405229
There was absolutely ZERO reason to bring up any characters sexuality in any way shape or form in a game like WoW, the devs flat out did it just to pander and push their politics.

>>714405274
>pick class specialized in dealing damage over a long period of time
>complain because enemies in casual content are not alive long enough for you to reach your potential
Again, this is casuals being retarded.

You can't have a dot class and not face the weakness of inefficiency in casual content.

Just do the logical thing and swap to another spec in that sort of content.

>>714405527
mistweaver is too hard, brewmaster isn't good enough and windwalker is mogged by demon hunter

>evoker still stuck in scalie form
And they wonder why nobody cares about it

>>714405527
>What the hell is even that
Caster class. Their two major gimmicks are channeled spells that get better if you channel them for longer and directional spells. Not clicker-friendly which is why the average player doesn't like them that much.

>>714398091
you forgot fantasy.

the fantasy of a class is important too, especially since the first thing you do when you start the game is select a class that you'll then be stuck with for the rest of the game until when or if you decide to reroll or start an alt.

And the fantasy of the paladin class is appealing to many first time players, since it's only after you choose the class that you even have a chance to see how the class plays.

>>714405486
Ask 10 people and you will get 10 answers. One of WoW's strongest points is class fantasy, every class really "feels like it", so just pick whatever you feel like being.

Or just go monk. Brewmaster is super fun but it's hard to learn.

>>714405168
I like devastation, shame youre stuck to a fag healing specc and an even faggier support specc if you want to try something else, bit like kino spriest being tethered to 2 faggot ass healing speccs

>>714405573
i agree. legion's rogue class hall was my favorite era of the game. also enjoyed watching people try to kill each other in dalaran's basement with my rogue bros

was looking forward to helping out my bro noggenfogger in undermined but it never mattered

>>714405587
casuals are the only people blizzard cares about, because diehard retards like you will play the game regardless of what they do.
i don't really know what point you're trying to make here.

>>714405527
Mistweaver is one of the worst specs in healing output

Brewmaster is great but takes a lot of effort to achieve the same performance that would take 10% of the effort for a DH or DK

>>714405527
It looks ugly, it has an energy bar, and it only has value in gimmicky moments depending on spec. It's like rogue where it's hard to get people to care for it when other classes have much cooler things going on.

>>714405720
Trvke, its always been fantasy sex. Paladins in most fantasy usually are but warcraft paladins are really really good

>>714405905
The point I'm trying to make is that you can't complain a dot class is inefficient against stuff that isn't alive long enough to get a dot, how many times do I have to spell it out for you?

Blizzard already tried to casualize it by letting you do all the dot damage with a spell that consumes the dot, and guess what, the real warlock players hate it and dropped the class because of this. And it is still not fast paced enough for casuals, so no one is playing affliction warlock anymore.

Not every spec has to be playable in all content all the time by everyone. Just keep affliction warlock accurate to its original class fantasy and who cares if it is ranking low in some sort of popularity chart? Fuck chartfags

>>714396932 (OP)
>Rogue lower than Monk
Grim.

>>714404794
>>714397389
>hmm i wonder why nu young players don't wanna play and stick with retail wow and they prefer to spend their time playing mobas like dota 2 or lol instead

>>714405720
"class fantasy" is probably the single gayest term blizzard invented and it's hilarious how easy it is to spot wowshills when they start using it

>>714404220
>nu-demo
Legion was a mistake

>>714405720
Rogue is proof that class fantasy cannot and will not carry a class if it feels terrible to play, though. Paladin (or more specifically Ret Paladin) is #1 now because it's the easiest, strongest DPS class to play and has been for quite some time at this point.

>>714403524
DH will always be the shitter class in my head, never has such an awful 3 button class ruined melee balance for so long

>>714406125
Kek this reminds me of this

>>714406096
i've never once complained about it, you're projecting extremely hard right now. i simply told you that what anon said was true, casuals don't like the spec because they don't do high end content and that's why the spec isn't popular. you're the one having a meltdown over this.

>>714406125
i remember coming back for TWW since i hadn't played since BFA and having to do this enormous opener. then i was further shocked to learn other classes didn't have nearly as many buttons

>>714404083
blame the class designers for never rewarding complexity or throughput so the simplest burstiest spec always wins

>>714406228
you genuinely have to be on the spectrum to enjoy feral cat at any point in WoW

>>714406138
lol
lmao
Blizzard never invents anything, they just stole the term from D&D designers who were using it long before Blizzard devs ever did.

>>714406228
>>714406125
rogues are bitches

here is what my class has to do and it is way more popular than rogues lmao

>>714406493
The funny thing of arcane mage is that you need encyclopedic knowledge about the game just to figure out that you only need to use 3 spells in the encounter

>>714406391
It was so fucking fun in arena in ~mop era though, insta clones triggering everyone

>>714406391
hasn't it just been maintaining two dots and spamming mangle since tbc?

>>714406381
yeah, this
brewmaster takes ten times the effort to play of other tanks but it gets the same results as a fuckass bear druid just mashing buttons while jerking off so there's no reason to play it even if you like the class
the high-effort high-skill classes should have better results but blizzard is retarded and hates the idea of alienating casuals

>>714406391
i enjoyed feral in classic

>>714406125
>this
>complicated

>>714397389
It's been a hundred years since I played but I think rogue was pretty boring to level. It took forever to get some fun skills and one talent tree was completely useless.

Because they ruined class distinction by giving every class the ability to do damage on par with pure damage classes, so why wouldnt you play a character that can do competitive damage and have amazing self healing and damage mitigation.

It's a problem with the way content is designed so that there is no real room for a hybrid class to function, so classes had to become homogeonized to compensate.

A paladin should have limited damage and cc capabilites compared to a rogue or a mage.

>>714406125
that's assasination, by far the easiest rogue spec. Outlaw is where the good stuff is.

>>714406926
What? You don't play the game right? Tanks and healers are not dealing anywhere close to dps damage retard

A tank deals like 1/3rd of the dps of a dps player and healers are way lower than that unless they're a disc priest which also deals about 1/3rd

>>714406926
Don't forget that they gave Paladins a BREZ as well, might as well just give them Bloodlust at this point to finalize them being the chosen class of the devs.

>>714407189
paladin's ultimate in WC3 was a brez

>>714400472
I played TWW beta last year and I liked how it played, but the game is so pozzed it put me off subbing.

>>714407117
I noticed that this thread always has tons of people that probably never played WoW, and yet have a lot to say about it.

They will suggest that everyone should just play 5 tanks, or 3 tanks + 2 healers, since they would be immortal.

They forget that:

>the point of m+ is beating the timers, it is impossible to do that without 3 DPS
>taking too much damage or dying has never been a problem, if you avoid the mechanics you avoid 99% of the damage
>the other 1% is unavoidable damage that can be completely healed by one single healer, you don't need two

So yes, 1 tank + 1 healer + 3 dps is and will always be the most logical group composition.

You retards want to argue against t just to feel smart and contrarian, but you have nothing of substance to say

>>714406926
class distinction was always shit even in vanilla with warrior being both the best tank and best dps by a huge margin while hybrid classes were just token healers and only ever brought because they provided buffs for the actual good classes and didn't compete with the priests for gear

>>714407382
>mazed m+ rat builds a strawman and thinks anyone cares about his meme mode
lol

>>714407382
people complain about timers in m+ but don't realize that the entire reason they exist is so you can't just get rid of dps classes

and then you have clowns like >>714407474 who just brainlessly shit at m+ without being able to conjure eloquent criticism

>>714407349
Good call, honestly.

>>714406839
feral is actually fun to play in classic. farming that mace in gnomeregan every single day for 2 years? yeaaah not at all

I am quite fond of demonology warlock.

>>714407349
I started playing WoW for the first time last month and that's what I think too. Most fun MMORPG I've ever played gameplay wise, but holy shit the quests and story are bad.

>>714407386
Most of this didn't matter in Vanilla since the vast majority of players hadn't turned into spreadsheet perverts yet.

>WoW is reset
>but the class fantasies change
Would you?

>>714396932 (OP)
>why are people who play a noobified and sterile copy of a good MMO not creative
Gee, I wonder.

Because they have lots of utility and a simple rotation vs the other bloated ass classes in the game.

>>714408053
>noobified
Raids and M+ require more precision and quickness than ever thoughbeit

Boomers think the game is "noobified" just because there is a LFG tool, then they go back to playing their snail pace classic raids that literally don't have even 10% of the mechanics in modern raids

>>714408157
it's worth mentioning that TWW's m+ is way harder than the m+ of Dragonflight, this expansion is a huge jump in difficulty and pugging is more miserable than ever, good luck finding a lobby that can do candle king mechanics under +10

>>714408157
>never played EverQuest
Lawl. Le mayonnaise even. Ruffles have ridges.

>>714408157
>make the base gameplay super easy and retarded for noobs
>make the high end gameplay difficult and skill intensive
>literally everyone stops playing the game
hmm

>>714396932 (OP)
>Game panders hard to furries with Vulp, Worgen, Tauren and variants, Pandas, and Dragons
>Two of the top 3 classes are the bear sex capible ones

I dunno anno, this seems to check out with what I understand about WoW.

>>714407663
>claw claw claw claw claw bite
>shapeshift in-between like a retard
>repeat infinity
>fun
classic andys are insane

>>714408895
>claw
retoilets don't even know what they're shitting on lmao

>>714397389
its not that fun in retail because energy and combos are basically meaningless since you have 9000 max energy that regens at retard speeds and refunds from 2000 different talents and get combos for sneezing in the direction of an enemy
so the specs have basically become resource GCD capped during filler and nothing you do really matters but during cooldowns every single tiny mistake costs you a gazillion dps, doubled for subtlety

>>714399245
rogue is really good in m+ though, both assassination and outlaw.

>>714396932 (OP)
>most versatile classes that can fit any role and have rich lore are surprisingly the most played
>third place is the easiest class to play in general
>fourth place is the most badass
>fifth place is the most convenient
Yeah, totally a mistery.

>>714408976
>duur achtyuyually it's not claw it's the backstab version
>totally different spell btw
classicnigs are so retarded lol

>>714409157
lol
lmao
No, they aren't. There is a difference between viable and good, especially when the viable option requires significantly more effort and is far easier to fuck up than the good option.

>>714404393
>m+
dot classes are notoriously bad in m+ and always have been, the only one that gets a pass is boomkin because its not REALLY a dot class and it has good aoe burst.

Dot classes are only good at multi target cleave raid bosses and every raid tier usually has a couple of those just so shadow priests and affl locks can have a few minutes outside the cuckshed.

>>714409589
>Fourth place is the most badass
At least attempt to make your shitposting bait believable, warriorfag.

>>714409665
They are the third best melee class after UH DK and ferals though, and feral requires a lot more effort than any rogue spec does.

The fuck is an evoker

>all this genuine WoW discussion
noooooooooo /v/ told me the game was dead and it was all marketers!

>>714409878
anthro dragon furfag class

>>714408895
>nooo you can't have fun pressing 2-4 buttons maximum and being top dps you have to be a complete 35yo mentally ill troon like me in retail pressing +20 buttons in my speedrun hard mode dungeons!

>>714409878
people asked for playable dragonkin that looked like the caverns of time guards and blizzard gave us gay ass twink furry dragons instead. They just look so weird it completely stands out next to any other character race.

>>714404220
I miss the legion affliction so much
malefic rapture is gay shit

i just genuinely cannot enjoy playing anything but classic and private servers anymore because everything is set in stone
playing retail is just rolling the dice as to whether your spec will be good or just gutted in the next patch

>>714409836
Did you really just rank all three of those above Retribution Paladin? Laughable. Also UH is getting dumpstered in the next patch so they're done.

>>714409878
Class for faggots who want to play a gay ass looking dragon person. Not like a cool dragon person either, but a skinny, scaly, gross dragon faggot that's the least aesthetic race in the game somehow.

>>714410282
>Did you really just rank all three of those above Retribution Paladin
yes, retri paladin is much less present above +10 keys.

>>714410140
I think playable dragonkin in general is a mistake, but if it HAD to happen it really should have been these niggas.

>>714397609
Last I played in cata and rogues has an imba as fuck self heal, did they finally remove it?

>>714410436
>BM at the very bottom
>again
and blizzard wonders why people don't want to play their game

>>714396932 (OP)
the fuck is an evoker

>>714397389
>3 dps specs
>one spec always broken
>always more buttons to do same damage as other classes
meanwhile ret paladin see a 2-3% difference when they turn on 1 button mode

>>714410761
BM is the perfect example of a braindead class needing to be bad because the skill ceiling is so low that everyone would be shitting out damage if BM was allowed to do damage.

>>714410859
Read the fucking thread bozo

what is this "the fuck is an evoker" meme?

no one knows what evoker is

>>714410905
well now every spec is 1 button rotation brain dead

>>714409836
> feral requires a lot more effort than any rogue spec does.
how so?
feral looks like one of the easiest melees
you just aoe rip, rake spread and spam fb
snapshotting is basically automatic
if anything all rogue specs look much harder

>>714396932 (OP)
Retribution Paladin is retardedly fun though. Real ADHD button mashing shit. Every other class feels slow afterwards.

>>714399050
go visit any wow subreddit
every day, atleast one post "what class is easiest?/least work to play?"
EVERY DAY

>>714410436
>Unholy just got even better
Sick.
>Boomkin
What the fuck happened? Is it actually fun to play?

>>714411056
>new player starts playing the game
>game is fuckhuge and has 500s parallel systems
>person gets overwhelmed with the game itself
>decides not to overcomplicate their lives with a complex class
>want to start with a simple class to get used to the systems
I see nothing wrongw tih this

>>714410436
spriest is still a memespec I see

>>714396932 (OP)
Actual druids are probably somewhere between warlock and rogue. You don't really see a lot of people playing them legit aside from the boomkin fans who play it whether it's good or not every single patch
Druids are however the number 1 bot class which inflates the numbers by a LOT

>>714400119
half baked, twinkdragon only class added in Dragonflight

>>714411185
same thing applies to hunter as well, fuckloads of bots

>>714396932 (OP)
Hahaha fuck Rogue.

(Prot) Paladin master race.

>>714411124
the #1 meta comp is UHDK/boomkin/arcane because UHDK and boomkin absolutely blasts AOE for trash and arcane is the strongest single target focus spec. And then DH tank and disc priest because those are the OP classes of their roles, especially DH. Disc can be replaced with a resto shaman in melee cleave comps but if you already have a mage then bloodlust is covered and casters dont benefit much from the shaman buff

>>714411274
Hunters are pretty popular though compared to druid, it's the girlfriend class these days since it's easy to play and you get to collect cute cats
Back in the day the girlfriend class used to be priest but healing is too stressful these days so they had to swap...

>>714411181
They are remaking it AGAIN next patch

>>714408157
holy cope the game as a whole is retardedly easy and literally no new or old player could have fun playing that braindead souless slop for more than 2 hours. also it's probably the main reason why your game died and stopped being main stream. your endgame M+ speedruns played by less than 1% of the playerbase are just an exception for the most mentally ill mazies

>>714411124
Unholy is currently good but they're being utterly destroyed in the upcoming patch, which is causing all the DK players to seethe and whine to Blizzard (it won't change shit).

>>714411461
>holy cope the game as a whole is retardedly easy
compared to when?

Why is Death Knight that low? It has always done good dps and has meaty attacks whole being simple to play.

the difference between the "hardest" and "eastiest" classes is like 3 buttons

>>714397389
Rugues became too complex for little reward
Or, you could say, they never became simple

>>714411537
>c-compared to when CHUD?
*kills 50 mobs at the same while leveling with no issues*

>>714411461
>have fun playing that braindead souless slop for more than 2 hours
buzzword buzzword buzzword
are you fucking retarded? can you speak like a real human being for at least 3 seconds?

>it's probably the main reason why your game died and stopped being main stream
yeah it's only the most popular MMORPG with over 7m subscribers rivaling a small nation

>your endgame M+ speedruns played by less than 1% of the playerbase are just an exception
25% of the playerbase engages with m+

these are excellent rates

look for any game in your steam library, search the achievements for completing the game, you'll see it is under 20%

20-25% is the average rate for people truly engaging with a game

>>714403524
druid is always popular because it's a good open world/farm class
also most popular gather bot class
also has 4 specs
guardian spec is solid, not great not terrible
feral is tough to play well, but amazing when played by an expert
boomkin is currently meta for m+ for aoe, but terrible on single target
resto is lower middle of the pack, but still has a dedicated fanbase

>>714411505
lets be honest here 90% of them are already rerolling since they were fotm babies
now the real unholy mains have to deal with the consequences of being a broken +m spec
many such cases

>>714411451
Thematically it's one of my favorites so it's sad Blizz still has no idea what to do with it.
This expansion trilogy whatever the fuck is all about shadow and you're telling me shadow: the spec is a total joke?

Bros I've been itching to play mop all the way until the prepatch dropped, then I realized I couldn't keep up with all the daily bullshit or heroic raiding
Should I play retail instead? I heard mythic dungeons are fun.

>>714411709
>play class
>class gets buffs, other classes get nerfs
>class is now "OP" and all the retards flock to it
>class gets gutted and thrown in the dumpster
>you, who has played this class for years, are now stuck with some totally unplayable garbage that no one wants in their groups
this shit is why i stopped playing wow

>>714406493
Honestly, instead of wasting my time learning this, I could use it to become a scientist, doctor or engineer.

>FDK is finally starting to heal from the "Obliterate does 35 things at once" cancer
Maybe there's hope after all. 2h Arthas LARP faggots ruined the spec for years.

>>714411642
You don't have an answer do you?

>>714405168
>Dracthyr are super popular
is it the racial glide? or do people actually like the aesthetic?

>>714396932 (OP)
>"I am the good cool important guy" takes #1 spot
>"Furry fag chick" classes take #2 and #3 spots.
>Generic "Muh Fighting" and "Cool Mage" take #4 and #5
>A bit less generic "Muh Fighting with elements" and "Cool Mage but sissy" take #6 and #7
>Edgy classes take next spots
>Gimmicky and quirky classes are the least played

There is nothing surprising about that data.

>>714411998
I don't think you have any chances of becoming a scientist, doctor or engineer if you struggle executing the arcane mage rotation

so why even play the game anymore?

>>714405091
I still remember when Afrasiabi called me a faggot back in the Fire of Heavens days back on Veeshan
what times

>>714411709
Yeah typical Blizzard balancing, create a FotM class, never adjust it to just be good rather than broken, then suddenly dumpster it entirely causing people to reroll to whatever the new FotM is. It's obviously deliberate, it keeps people "engaged" since they have to reroll and grind out a new class if they want to stay on top. Abusive and manipulative shit to pull on your userbase, but then again, anyone still playing WoW in 2025 deserves to eat shit so whatever.

>>714406493
>>714406601
arguably this is a class fantasy

>>714406096
>in these hypothetical situations affliction is great
who the fuck cares?

>>714411675
>muh buzzword
yeah just ignore the fact that your game is absolutely garbage and boring as fuck for everybody trying it for the first time or returning to the game after a long time. i wonder why!
>most popular mmo!
yeah no shit the whole genre is dead because wow always has been the only decent and easy to play mmo in history but blizzard somehow managed to fucked this game beyond repair at the point where not even the big fish in the small pond is considered main stream anymore
>7m subs
webm related

>>714412281
He's lying, they aren't popular at all, racial composition is the same as it ever was, except with even more Elves since there's like 4 or 5 varieties to pick from.

>>714409836
In what fucking world is Feral harder than Outlaw or Sub? You are a brain damaged retard.

>>714412361
1) this only executes the core rotation, it doesn't use cooldowns and doesn't apply dots

2) that specific spec of warlock is the only one that can get away with only a 15% dps loss because the main punishment of the single button rotation is a longer gcd, and because warlock is a caster it waits out most of its gcd through cast times

>>714411028
No they aren't, which creates serious issues since the classes that are brain dead easy are often top performers (Ret Paladin) while classes that are complex are middle of the road or even outright bad, which means nobody plays them since why play something hard that gets less results than the easy option? Blizzard devs cannot balance classes for shit.

lmsao
why are the losses so small

>>714412840
The highlight only does what addons have done ever since a decade ago, except it has a dps penalty whereas hakili does not

The dps rotation for single-button is smaller when your rotation is composed of long cast times that overlap the gcd penalty

As I already clarified in another post both the highlighter and the single-button assistant only take care of a small part of your rotation, they do not use any globals and do not maintain dots, so you still have to do 90% of the work

But yeah they take care of the job in very casual content where stuff dies in 3 seconds like quests

>>714412840
15% is not small in WoW. People will drag their dicks through glass for 10% buffs.

>damages
>heals
>tanks
It's that simple

>>714412794
>the classes that are brain dead easy are often top performers (Ret Paladin) while classes that are complex are middle of the road or even outright bad
This is not true and I don't understand why people keep generalizing.

Arcane mage is an infamously difficult spec and it's top 3 DPS specs right now.

Enhancement shaman is considered by most veterans the hardest spec and it's top 10 specs.

Disc priest is the hardest healing spec and it's also the best and most popular one. Holy priest is the easiest and it's one of the worst healing specs and you will struggle to get a position in m+ if you are rolling one above +12.

I could also start listing many other easy specs that are awful but you get the memo. There is no clear pattern of "easy = good hard = bad". Some specs are good and others are bad regardless of their difficulty, it's just how the balancing goes. When a hard spec is good people learn it and it becomes the most popular one by fotm babies (see disc priest), when an easy spec is bad people still won't play it.

>>714413307
people are so fucking bad at the game a 15% loss compared to optimal play is still a 20% boost compared to their current damage

why is affliction so unpopular?

>>714413423
adding to this that hard specs that become top tier are often hoarded by fotm babies, and as result people start refusing them in endgame content because they know the fotm babies will fuck things up

you can easily get around this with good io ratings

>>714412840
That's assuming you're doing you're doing your rotation perfectly 100% of the time, for the majority of mouthbreathers it's actually a massive dps increase.

>>714413307
thats 15% of what would be the theoretical optimal simulated dps on a target dummy. The gap between real manual input and the one button rotation in a realistic scenario is arguably much smaller.

>>714396932 (OP)
>2000 + 25
>WoW
suicide

>>714413423
>Disc priest is the hardest healing spec
What? no its middle of the pack-ish.

>>714413480
wow players being bad at the game isn't even their own fault
they spend the entire leveling experience facerolling enemies that die in one cast with only half the class available so they don't know how it plays until they hit max level, then they hit max level and do dungeons and shit and still don't even have to try because shit still dies in 1 second, and then when the game finally asks more of them than just mashing buttons they have no idea what to do because there was never a time when they had to pay attention up until now
the game sucks

>>714396932 (OP)
Because it can heal and tank you retard. Same reason druid is number 2.

>>714413616
>>714413480
No they are not. Stop this meme.

The people doing content where dps matters (i.e. m+ after +10) are doing their rotations perfectly because rotations are fucking easy.

Doing your own rotation is the bare minimum expected. It is not even the start of the difficulty in that sort of content.

The people that can afford not knowing their rotation are also the people playing in content where the 15% loss indeed does not matter. Aka casual content where everything dies in 3 seconds. So who cares? They don't need the tool either, but it can help them play the game even more relaxed than they already are so all power to them, who cares, we might as well be playing different games by this point.

>>714411810
Depends on what your schedule is. I've got a regular 5 man for m+. Most fun I've ever had in wow at 4 hours a week. Done some pugging for m+ too on a 2nd character, usual bullshit of dealing with randos that you get in all aspects of wow, hit or miss.
Haven't touched raiding in a few months, but when I did, it was hit or miss. You either get a guild raid that fits your schedule/goals (hard to find) or you gamble with pugging.
One of the nice things with retail is the dailies aren't really dailies, but most things are weeklies. You do need to do them, especially at the start of a season or expac, but most of the time you knock it out in 1-2 hours on one day and you're set for the week. Compare that to classic dailies where you have to do them daily, or you're perma behind.
In the end, you're going to be a treadmill, but you've got some flexibility. If you don't like any treadmill, steer clear.

>>714413561
they've niched it so much that it doesn't perform consistently in any type of content anymore. It's not flexible enough to handle all situations.

>>714413925
one button rotation actually helps hardcore players more than anyone else because you don't need to learn 30 specs to play your alts anymore, just slap the one button thing at the alts you don't take to m+/raids

or use highlighter to help learn the rotation

>>714396932 (OP)
Paladin is literally the most iconic and fun class to play right now
Easy to use
Tons of utilities
BIG DAMAGE
BIG LIGHTS
BEST TRANSMOGS

>>714413925
>The people doing content where dps matters (i.e. m+ after +10) are doing their rotations perfectly because rotations are fucking easy.
there are several videos of people doing one button rotation only in high m+ keys and performing close to if not equal to their normal runs.

>>714397389
Rogue is THE pvp class
Also stealth fucking sucks in pve content

>>714414123
in retail, yes stealth is kinda worthless since killing mobs takes about 2 seconds
back in the day stealth was a godsend

>>714413561
Poor QoL, no burst until it's too late for most content, identity issues.
You're still reapplying curse of agony manually like it's TBC
General shard starvation
Either play hellcaller and wait for Malevolence to make your dots actually do damage, or go Soul Harvester and become a generator/spender class, but you can only play the game when the stars align.
Unfun single target gameplay

>>714406228
Honestly, before I quit this shit game for good, I kept thinking, why don't I just write a bot to do my rotation and then get frame perfect execution? I'm guessing most shit raids are literally that. The game just feels devoid of skill.

>>714413862
And the skill descriptions are still complete dogshit.

>>714414090
Link one such video

>>714413925
>The people that can afford not knowing their rotation are also the people playing in content where the 15% loss indeed does not matter.
this only applies to people who clear raids early before they are geared which only accounts for a small minority. That damage gap is significant for world first racers but its not relevant at all for 1000+ ranked guilds and there are likely dps in those raid groups that would do better with the one button rotation. It is not a 15% loss of THEIR dps, it is a 15% loss of the simmed dps. Virtually nobody ever does as much dps as the sim in the first place.

>>714400472
TWW is better than wrath but sure lilbro
go play the same classic slop again

>>714414225
>perfect rotation
there are literally addons that do this for you now, or at least there were a year ago when i quit

>>714414224
is shadow better?
I kinda want to play something with dots but I don't want to fall asleep in single target

>>714414341
shadow is barely about dots anymore, but yeah it's way better and they are getting another rework lmao

MOP classic will be fire. Active class balancing and prepull shit removed.

>>714413925
>The people doing content where dps matters (i.e. m+ after +10) are doing their rotations perfectly because rotations are fucking easy.
you are giving the average wow player way too much credit

>>714414521
didn't MoP have a billion dailies you needed to do to stay ahead of the curve? no thanks.

>>714414239
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNcu3gnqY4A
this is one which covers the topic of someone thats done 17+ and 18+ with the OBR in other videos under the same account

>>714413925
>The people doing content where dps matters (i.e. m+ after +10) are doing their rotations perfectly because rotations are fucking easy.
you can learn the rotation of any spec in 1 day against a dummy target

knowing how to do your rotation for 5 minutes straight while going through cooldowns and defensives might take 2 weeks

knowing how to do your rotation perfectly for 5 minutes, while using cooldowns and defensives, AND dealing with boss mechanics nearly killing you? that takes months, it's a lot of pressure

I can see some situations where the one button thing would increase someone's DPS in a high tier m+, I am talking about people that fucking die, couldn't deliver any of their damage and wouldn't have died if they could fully focus on the mechanics instead of their own rotations and class mechanics

but to think people will systematically run the one button assistant in such content is insane, literally no one is doing this outside of youtubers going out of their way to test the feature, and blizzard did not even start balancing it yet it's less than one month old

you are insane if you think blizzard will let this be usable in high end content if they plan to remove addons that do way less than that

>>714403150
>pajeet spacing

>>714396932 (OP)
holy shit, how much did they fuck up Rogue if its played less than Monk?

>>714414253
>It is not a 15% loss of THEIR dps, it is a 15% loss of the simmed dps. Virtually nobody ever does as much dps as the sim in the first place.
Wrong, these are not official blizzard numbers, all the figures of "15% dps loss" are people comparing dps loss from real situations

It's 15% dps loss compared to what a real human can do with the spec.

And reminder that the one button assistant DOES NOT USE COOLDOWNS OR DEFENSIVES. For the last fucking time.

The "15% dps loss" is stated by a specialist in the spec that played it for 10 years and knows how to use the cooldowns perfectly.

A shitter that has no idea how to do their own rotation will not know how to use the cooldowns. They will not have a mere 15% dps loss. If they are not using the cooldowns correctly they could have a >50% dps loss.

>>714414837
>played it for 10 years
>when specs change wildly with every patch and classes are completely unrecognizable between expansions
lol?

there's no way real live human beans think WoW is in any capacity difficult

>>714414837
I'm surprised at how much emphasis people put on the rotation when correct use of cooldowns and utility have always been the skill ceiling

Who cares if the tool can rotate through 4 abilities for you? If you were too stupid to press 1234 1234 1234 you never had a chance

>>714413423
When did Enhance jump up in diffiuclty? I haven't touched wow in years now, but I mained enhance for most of my time playing and it never really felt that hard, just a little bit off kilter at most with it's heavy reliance on spell/skill priority.

>>714396932 (OP)
>Retail

>>714414605
Watching this video ruined any level of nostalgia I could have possibly had. This game is so kek.

>>714414837
>And reminder that the one button assistant DOES NOT USE COOLDOWNS OR DEFENSIVES.
Are you fucking implying it takes any sort of brain power to press "do more damage lol" button every 2 minutes?

>>714414594
They nerfed the reputation needed and you can buy commendations for alts.

The fuck's an evoker?

>>714414837
>Wrong, these are not official blizzard numbers, all the figures of "15% dps loss" are people comparing dps loss from real situations
no its not, its sim dps vs someone using the button on a dummy on the PTR before it was released

>And reminder that the one button assistant DOES NOT USE COOLDOWNS OR DEFENSIVES
It does use most cooldowns, it does not use defensives though that is true. But the majority of offensive cooldowns are still used. On an elemental shaman it uses both storm elemental and stormkeeper, it just doesn't use ascendance.
>The "15% dps loss" is stated by a specialist in the spec that played it for 10 years and knows how to use the cooldowns perfectly.
no its taken from a spreadsheet that was put up for every spec on the PTR.
>A shitter that has no idea how to do their own rotation will not know how to use the cooldowns
sending your cooldowns when the weak aura tells you your cooldown is up is not a skill.

>A shitter that has no idea how to do their own rotation will not know how to use the cooldowns.
This isnt about shitters, this is about the OBR being better than the vast majority of players including a lot of people who clear high level content, just not in an elite guild. The lower layer of cutting edge will likely have players that gain dps from OBR.

>>714415143
The best hero class ever

>>714415098
>he presses cooldowns just before heavy movement phase
retard

>>714414973
I think it's not that it jumped up in difficulty but more that most specs got streamlined while enhancement shaman remained with 15 buttons in their main rotation and a lot of abilities that interact/proc one another and that most shitters can't understand

>>714415098
If you press the "do more damage lol" button at the wrong moment you can compromise almost all your damage so yes, it does require a lot of brain power and context sensitivity

>>714415227
>its sim dps vs someone using the button on a dummy on the PTR before it was released
Wrong, didn't even read the rest of your post. It's one guy recording his normal rotation against a certain piece of content vs with the one button rotation. This is clearly stated in the methodology of the numbers that the other poster posted.

>>714396932 (OP)
Paladin is peak fantasy. But also do you have evidence of your claims about games other than Warcraft? Paladin is the most important class in Warcraft after 3 came out, so naturally fans would gravitate to that.

>>714415378
>didn't even read the rest of your post
Because you dont have an argument and you dont know what you are talking about, nor do you even really understand what the issue is.

>>714415376
these people have clearly never done a +5 let alone something beyond a +10, and yet they are so opinionated about something that is unremarkable for the hardcore players

I was thinking of resubbing to FFXIV purely for samurai because the thought of building up to a big single target fuck you attack appeals to me. Problem is FFXIV is way too phoned in and homogonized.
Can anyone give me advice on what dps class most matched that big fuck you attack energy?

>>714415378
>If you press the "do more damage lol" button at the wrong moment you can compromise almost all your damag
in m+? hardly. More uses -> optimal uses in most m+ scenarios other than extreme cases.

>WoW tryhards literally arguing itt
There are actual /v/ users who still play WoW? I thought only mentally ill millennial fucks still play this.

>>714415578
completely wrong, you WILL get kicked from a +12 if they realize you are using your cooldowns as soon as they are up

>>714408157
>they go back to playing their snail pace classic raids
what do you mean by that? people likes classic raids because it's easy and fun. you literally full clear 2 different raids + onyxia in like 1 hour with any average-decent guild

>>714415694
You're retarded, you are that guy that sandbags the entire group by not using cooldowns on trash. Unironically do not know how to play the game.

>>714415650
still kino

unrelated to whatever retarded shit was no doubt posted before this, but the rogue class dev should kill himself for letting the class get this bad

>>714414594
this was always massively exagerrated and most of them are for cosmetic shit

>>714415578
>>714415779
this is not about elitism, you literally can't complete high mythics if you use the cooldowns wrong

yes you can use them as soon as they are up for 70% of the dungeon, but there's a 30% chunk where you have to time them correctly otherwise you can't time the key or beat the boss fast enough to avoid some bullshit damage or clear a dps check mechanic

in almost every dungeon you have to rotate cooldowns with other dps players, if everyone is just brainlessly pressing their cooldowns they won't be able to do that, so there's that too

>>714415929
The idea that these two posters even considered using the cooldowns as soon as they are up is a valid strategy is hilarious because they thought they ever had a chance of fooling someone that actually knows their shit.

>>714415650
>mentally ill milennial fucks
so, /v/? of course there are genuine wowspergs here thinking they're hardcore for doing the exact same fucking dungeon as everyone else but with the numbers turned up.

>>714397389
As far as I understand
Rogue is pretty much exclusively a pvp class, while every other class sees use in everything.
Pve, it's just worse in most, or every way than every other dps spec. Playing it for solo questing is a slog, as few people actually do this nowadays.
The things that rogue has going for it are high burst damage, which is high in the context of pvp, but have abysmal dps, and aren't bursting anything down in pve.
Granted, the last time I played was some time ago, this may have shifted.

>>714415650
/v/ and /vg/ unironically has a lot of schizos and trannies in their 30s. so yeah

>>714400638
Blizzard literally cannot go two patches without fundamentally changing how shadow works.

The problem with the one button rotation is as follows:
1. It doesn't actually teach you anything, so it being implemented as a teaching tool for new players is a moot point. If anything, it harms new people because now they will never even try to learn.
2. It is too strong on some select specs where it is not only helping the people that do NOT know how to play, it is also helping the people that DO know how to play to some extent. It needs to be nerfed further or the penalty needs to be changed to a different metric that nerfs all specs similarly so that there arent some specs that hardly lose dps, make these specs get penalized harder.
3. There is no bridge between the one button rotation and playing well manually. It is more of a jail to the people it is intended for than it is a helpful tool.
4. Even if the argument is that "durr even if you do dps properly you need to use defensives well" this doesn't really change the problem. If the difficulty scale goes from pressing all of your buttons to just pressing 2 or 3 buttons contextually, then that is still a huge issue. It is also much easier to learn this than to learn how to do your rotation properly. Using bubble to survive is not the epitome of skill on a paladin and it is not uniquely a skill only elite players possess. If the one button rotation was usable for tanks or healers, then this would be a vastly larger issue since the defensive cooldown usage is a much larger part of how these roles work in comparison.

should i play warlock or priest

>>714415694
ngl bro you can pretty much be a retarded faceroller in a +12 and it does not matter at all

>>714416556
>1. It doesn't actually teach you anything
Says who? People always learned with hekili and this is not different. There is even a highlighter version. But anyway humans are pattern seeking creatures, you will learn the rotation through osmosis even if you are not trying to learn.

>2. It is too strong on some select specs
That shall be balanced. It hasn't been out for even 1 month. Give it some time.

>it is also helping the people that DO know how to play to some extent
This is not happening unless your definition of "people that do know how to play" involves people that don't know their own rotation or can't execute it under pressure, which is not "knowing how to play".

>3. There is no bridge between the one button rotation and playing well manually
Yes there is, it's the highlighter mode. You follow the highlights until you don't need them anymore.

>If the difficulty scale goes from pressing all of your buttons to just pressing 2 or 3 buttons contextually, then that is still a huge issue
The difficulty was never pressing all your buttons.

Again: doing your rotation has been the BARE MINIMUM in mythic. You literally don't even consider that someone in a +12 might not know their rotation. It's an insane argument. You don't get inside a +12 without knowing how to do your core rotation. What a retarded scenario.

>>714417035
if you can't even kick you're not getting past a +2

>>714416887
for dps caster? neither, play arcane mage

>>714417151
but i only have warlock and priest

>>714417151
Okay but what about boomkin or elemental?

>>714416887
If you like dots, play destro lock with hellcaller.
If you like setups and huge damage spikes, play aff.
I'm serious, this is the actual state of warlock specs.

>>714396932 (OP)
Warrior is still the God Class of WoW

>>714417891
It's in a pretty bad state actually.

>>714417057
>Says who? People always learned with hekili
please at least try to argue in good faith. there is nothing about the one button rotation that even tells you in advance which spell it is about to use. Someone that is not already familiar would not have any idea of what is going on most of the time. The icon on the button isnt even the icon of the spell that is being used. It is extremely different from what hekili is.
>This is not happening unless your definition of "people that do know how to play" involves people that don't know their own rotation or can't execute it under pressure
the one button rotation is parsing blue to purple in mythic raids and it is clearly viable in keys higher than 12 which is why high m+ players are bringing attention to it.

>Again: doing your rotation has been the BARE MINIMUM in mythic. You literally don't even consider that someone in a +12 might not know their rotation.
these players genuinely are not as optimal as they believe they are, which has been proven by this being released and used. If you are a 12+ peaking player then you are extremely unlikely to be playing close to optimal because that is not where people who actually care to climb m+ are outside of weekly resilient keys. These people likely make many small mistakes, not using procs optimally or slightly overcapping resource etc which builds over time to where they are not far ahead of the one button rotation. Consider that the majority of comparison numbers are compared to sims and not a 95/99 or 100 parse of a class. You, the person reading this, is not losing 15% dps by using this, and hardly anyone actually is. You might not ever even have played with one of the people who are close to optimal ever in your entire life.

Do you genuinely think that the difference between your dps and the dps of someone playing near optimal like the world first racing guilds is anywhere close? Neither of these are actually punished the whole 15% of a sim.

it's over
not enough gold to resub

>>714396932 (OP)
how is rougeu so low?

>>714418370
It's shit and the class dev doesn't do his job.

>>714418073
Okay let's say that everyone in mythic starts using this.

You still have to use your cooldowns at the right time.

You still have to use your defensives.

You still have to kick.

You still have to do the mechanics, the positioning, dot upkeep.

Basically you still have to do all the stuff that compromises 99% of the difficulty of mythic.

The only thing you don't have to do anymore is the basic rotation that should be muscle memory to you.

>Consider that the majority of comparison numbers are compared to sims and not a 95/99 or 100 parse of a class
95 parse does not mean 95% less dps than ideal.

The simmed dps can be inferior to the 100 parse.

Parses are situational. The 50 parse for a +20 is definitely still the optimal rotation. The fact I am parsing a 80 does not mean the one button rotation can improve my DPS.

At a very low level, sure, it's partially about rotation execution. After some point people parse badly because they are dying to mechanics, not kicking, not using cooldowns ideally or rotating with other players, pathing badly, and so on.

>>714417868
how could they mess it up so badly

>Actually fun
Shaman
Death Knight
>Blizzard's pets
Paladin
Druid
>Okay
Warrior
>Anti-fun
Mage
Warlock
Priest
>So dull you'd rather play anything else
Rogue
Monk
Demon Hunter
>You're female
Hunter
>You're either a huge meta faggot or just a faggot
Evoker

>>714418583
>>Consider that the majority of comparison numbers are compared to sims and not a 95/99 or 100 parse of a class
Also I just realized what you meant by that and it is wrong.

Yes, the comparison numbers are drawn both from sims AND from in-game tests, mostly the later.

The comparisons were drawn by players, not by Blizzard, and more specifically by specialists in the specs. And the intent was to measure the real impact of the one button assistant. It would be retarded to measure it against a hypothetical mathematical "simulator".

>>714418654
what if i play MM hunter

this entire shitstorm about the one button macro is something that only exists in forums, if you play the actual fucking game it is a non-problem and no one is using it
anyway I hope blizzard slaps bigger penalties on warlock/hunter just to shut people up and calls it a day

>>714418654
based list

>>714418743
>Yes, the comparison numbers are drawn both from sims AND from in-game tests, mostly the later.
Nigga what? Almost every number that is brought up in regards to this is from the graph posted on wowhead which is from the google doc based on sims. I have never heard anyone say otherwise outside of you doing this now.

>>714418913
Just booted wowhead, aka the source you cited, and from its very article lo and behold

>>714418756
You're in the tinker waiting room.

>>714397609
Damn, so they took away recuperate?

>>714419024
Can you read your own cropped picture lmfao? The in game testing is the one button rotation you absolute fucking disingenuous nigger faggot. It says that it is using sims right there! Did you actually think that the part of the same sentence that said that they were using cooldowns and consumables manually was referring to anything but the one button rotation???? holy fuck you are retarded

>>714396932 (OP)
I knew paladin would be first, but I was expecting warrior 2nd and druid 4th.

>>714396932 (OP)
>druid near top
>rogue warlock and dk near bottom
wut? I guess the differences are too small to say anything.

>>714419386
Druid's versatility definitely keeps it up there.

>>714419328
>>714418073
if you deal 85% of optimal DPS in a +12 you are not even parsing a 50, let alone a 85 lmao

>>714419386
druid is inflated by having 4 specs

>>714397389
I prefer feral to any rogue spec desu

Why are like 10% of total posts on this shithole autistic losers playing janny and trying to police what others talk about?

>>714419753
are you talking about the schizos crying marketing?

>>714397609
>Rogue is the least fun class
I've been leveling one so I can have another Horde character and it is insane how fucking slow and shit this class is at low levels. Sinister Strike deals like auto attacks worth of damage and takes 5 seconds to be useable again. What the fuck.

Why do I have to wait until level 30 to get my energy regen talent on Outlaw and Sub. why do i have to press two different maintenance buffs that both cost energy (which is at a fucking premium at low levels) on Outlaw in order to do AOE and also not suck.

All of their hero talents are invisible and boring too, you can tell that they were the last hero talents to get worked on and the fact that Blizzard has changed them to be more interesting in any capacity is frustrating.

>>714419753
What if you go back to /wowg/?

>>714419938
What the fuck is 'outlaw'. There was no fucking 'outlaw' when I played. It was combat, subtlely, and assassination.

>>714420041
When you were in diapers and before /vg/ existed, this board was actually usable. Maybe if all you loser faggot wannabe jannies who constantly spam worthless posts commit mass suicide it can get better again. There's no reason not to try it at least.

>>714402403
I like frost with glacial spike, feels like you're building up to a button that does a satisfying amount of damage. The frostfire tier set that shoots pyroblasts whenever you glacial spike sounds like f un too.

>>714419563
85% in a 12 is better than most dps you'll find in a 12 lol, in the video posted further up the one button was beating people in 18+, 12 is not even hardcore content

>>714420319
Do you think these posts that you've now made like 10 of impresses anyone? It's embarrassing, you autistic shitstain

>male Human paladin
>ret spec
>"melee" but every single ability I have is ranged so I can always attack
yep it's gaming time

>>714420319
It's combat with a gun.

It changed in Legion when they wanted to reinforce spec flavor (which also killed monks using weapons for some reason lol) and it had a bunch of pirate themed attacks, including the guns. They pulled back on most of it except for you still pull out a gun for a few attacks. And I guess Roll the Bones.

>>714420507
I am not watching a 20 minutes long video, put timestamp of the one button assistant being better than real players at a +18

>>714406125
>people consider this complicated

>>714420508
That was literally my first post you stupid faggot.

>>714420719
the video is covering both 17 and 18s. if you are so buttblasted that you want to avoid the truth in an attempt to cope then thats on you, but dont try to tell anyone that you know what you are talking about if you haven't even looked up 20 minutes of info on the matter

>>714396932 (OP)
>strongest classes are most popular
>weakest classes are least popular
Woooooow I wonder why that is
It's a complete mystery, there's no easy explanation

I wish I had that ancient copypasta mocking Outlaw spec but I forget how it goes, "yo ho ho" and something or other

>>714420887
I have looked enough into the matter that if this tool was outpacing +18 players, it would have been a scandal

And no I am not watching your tranny youtuber, give timestamp or else I accept your concession

>>714420931
uhmm warrior?

>>714420983
you got btfo just accept it

>>714420931
it has nothing to do with meta, fotm babies are never enough to offset class distribution

>>714420983
>Uh no i do not accept proof! I just wont watch it!
>thinks he is winning
Were you trained wrong as a joke?

>>714396932 (OP)
Wow's class distribution is based entirely on how well the devs treat the class and how easy it is to play. Paladins are consistently the most played class because they're piss easy to play and the devs jerk them off all the time.

>>714421053
>>714421090
>no timestamp
concession accepted

also I don't need that tool to clear a +18 while you dumbasses probably don't even play this game, suck my cock

>>714421142
>Wow's class distribution is based entirely on how well the devs treat the class and how easy it is to play.
I already demonstrated this is wrong with >>714413423

Case in point: paladin is the worst tank in the game currently, a dogshit healer, and a mediocre dps spec, yet it is the most popular class

>>714421164
embarrassing

>>714421164
>you beat me, making me the victor!

>>714421269
Male Human Paladin is the definitive Warcraft experience.

>>714421164
based gigaChad soloing +18s while these keyboard warriors are too busy alt-tabbing to cry on 4chan instead of pushing IO. Timestamp or not, you already won by touching the game more than these clowns ever will.

>>714420983
>it would have been a scandal
Why? There are one button weak auras that dont even have the penalty already and thats not a scandal either. You've had GSE for ages too and that hasnt been a scandal either. Not enough people care about botting and cheating in wow so why would using blizzards own implementations be a scandal? WoW has a huge chink playerbase where world competitive guilds just account share freely on stream without even getting banned and nobody gave a shit about that either. There is no integrity in this game. Not to talk about PVP having more cheaters than counter strike at this point.

>>714421269
>Mediocre DPS spec
It does really good DPS, has the best survivability of any class, insanely useful cooldowns for emergency moments, and massive utility. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>714421785
>PvP has more cheaters than Counterstrike
Really? Elaborate.

>>714396932 (OP)
I just play paladin cuz I love when my buttons lights up

>>714420818
To be fair, it's complicated compared to the WotLK rotation.
You just opened with mutilate or garrot if you didn't have a warrior or druid in the group/raid. Activate hunger for blood and kept it up. Start slice and dice with 2-3 combo points, and after that point your normal rotation starts, just
>mutilate until 4-5pt
>envenom
Only cooldowns and periodic refreshes you needed to look after were
>keep hunger for blood up
>use cold blood for envenom
>use vanish to refresh overkill
I always topped the DPS charts with this brain dead rotation on Saurfang.
I never had a non-retarded rogue in my raids, so I couldn't use tricks of the trade to increase DPS, so I just cast it on the tank whenever I was too close to pulling aggro.

>>714396932 (OP)
>rogue shrinking ever closer to evoker
grim

>>714421974
ret makes people seethe for some reason. probably because wow is a brown game and ret (and paladin by extension) are white coded

>>714422069
PvP has had a huge kickbot population for about half of modern wows existence at this point. high level RBGs were always full of teams ddosing each other and maphacking to take the flag outside the map etc. people using lagswitches in arena and blitz so that they become much harder to hit for melee classes and so on. There are no repercussions for any of it either because in the event you get banned (which you are extremely unlikely to be because blizzard doesnt have actual people reviewing any of these reports) then you can just buy another license and continue because you keep all your titles and mounts and achievements etc on the new account even when your other account is banned.

>>714422160
holy is white coded
ret is the brownest spec ever

>>714396932 (OP)
I change class every season, makes the game more fun.

>>714396932 (OP)
>Why is paladin the most played class in every fucking game ever that has it available
Flexibility, it can play all 3 roles and they can do it rather well

>>714400638
>play shadow priest
>cast my AoE spell that applies my DoTs
>this is one of 2 AoE spells I have
>10 year projectile travel time
>right before it reaches its destination the tank moves every single mob outside of its effective area
>15 second cooldown
>kicked for shit DPS, blacklisted from m+ on your server

>>714396932 (OP)
>why are the most played classes the ones who can viably do every role
GEE I DUNNO BUDDY, seems real complex
every other class is limited to 1 or 2 roles, except monks who were a) added 10 fucking years into the damn game and who nobody cares about because kung fu panda is dumb
beyond that, then the most played will obviously be the most widespread archetypes. people like warriors, people like mages, people like archers, and funnily enough in this group people also like paladins.
how unexpected that a class that fits both categories is the most played

>>714422791
Maybe you're not supposed to have AoE

>>714422554
That's hilarious. What a joke of a game.

>>714422791
your fault for not leading your clash

>>714396932 (OP)
Safe class good in all content

>>714396932 (OP)
It isn't though, in Diablo 2 for example Paladin wasn't even top three, it was Sorc-Barb-Necro. In most games that have Paladins they end up middle of the road popularity wise.

Holy Paladin player: Pure 100% Bavarian Phenotype
Prot Paladin player: Flyover American with thin blue line merch, wears caps indoors.
Ret player: ¿Hablas español?

>>714421974
>really good DPS
It is good DPS but not even top 10

>best survivability
Not even close. Both frost and unholy are more survivable than ret by a looooong mile. I will admit that ret pala is top 5 survivability though

>useful cooldowns and massive utility
That bad players won't know how to utilize. You think people seeking an easy class want button bloat? Your defensives and utility come at the cost of like 12 buttons that you have no idea how to press until you get a lot of experience with the game and with the specific content you are doing. You won't even have a reason to press them until high m+ keys.

Again it is a good class, but far from being the easiest one for a newbie, and in no way justifies being the #1 class.

75% of the playerbase did not even touch m+
the idea that these casuals are playing ret pala so they can cure poison and off heal as dps is hilarious, I would put my money on the fact that half of ret players do not even have these spells bound

>>714423723
>Far from being the easiest
Are you serious? It absolutely is the easiest (and strong) spec in the game. The only other easy stuff is much worse off in the meta right now so Paladin is the go to option for anyone wanting a strong, but simple class to do M+ on.

>>714396932 (OP)
Adventurerbros.....

>>714424729
kek

>>714397254
>demon hunter
illidan larp
>monk
alcoholic mystic larp, shame because a proper martial artist class would have been fun
>evoker
scalie larp

>>714401206
>>no one to play with during leveling
Not at all the case you clueless drone
At times you can't actually do quests because there are people everywhere lmao

>>714424561
Yes ret has an easy rotation, so it is easy to output your ~top 15 DPS (which is still respectable DPS because the game is incredibly well balanced right now)

Is it easy to cure diseases, use bos/bop, off-heal and dispel while you DPS? No it is not, it's easily one of the most complex and overloaded DPS specs

This is like when people say that totemic resto shaman is easy, just spam riptide bro! Yeah sure, but as resto shaman you're also expected to use the 20 other utility skills of your kit.

I would rather have a rotation that albeit convoluted is constant in every encounter, than to have to learn how to use 10 different types of utility that are extremely sensitive to what content I am doing.

So to sum it up: resto shaman and ret pala are considered easy specs because their core rotation is easy. BUT they are not valued because they output the best numbers in the game (neither of them are even close to the best) they are value because of the utility they bring ON TOP OF THEIR NUMBERS, and this utility is extremely complex and harder than just learning a slightly more complex core rotation.

>>714425340
They're just easy and good, dude. I don't know why you're coping so hard about this, and trying to make it more than it is, it's just that simple.

>>714425340
This makes sense to me. I started playing 3 months ago and tried restoration shaman, it felt too hard because on top of healing I had to worry with kicking, stunning, a shitton of totems that do obscure bullshit like linking people's health for 8 seconds. Then I jumped to discipline priest, which has a scary rotation and is hailed as one of the most specs in the game. It took me 1 week to comprehend the rotation to a competent level, but ever since then I don't have to care about anything other than healing because I have zero utility lmao

>>714415650
>/v/ users
>mentally ill millennial fucks
You answered your own question.

>>714422160
I'm a spic and all my spic friends gravitate to ret like no other spec. I'd say mage is the whitest spec.

>>714425340
this is true
ret has historically been retardedly overloaded with utility but most ret players live up to the retardin name and never use any of it
even in fucking classic where ret has no buttons to push you'd see ret """dps""" players fail to bop the healer or ever use hammer of justice

>every single post indirectly "defending" blizzshart is written in retardditor spacing
Really makes you thinki lolmao

>>714425746
disc used to be much more harder but it was streamlined at some point during dragonflight, it's much easier now. The hardest healing spec to play optimally is holy paladin or res evoker.

>>714426092
it has been a shit week for wow so the shilling machines are a-going

>>714426076
>>714425746
after you have played the game for several years with multiple alts using utility optimally is braindead easy no matter what class it is, you usually even assign it to the same keybind in every class

but it is definitely a conscious learning process, you usually start with a healer with little utility (like priest) then graduate into something more complex like shaman, then you learn kicking with an easy dps specs, retribution pala would be the last step in the learning process because you're accumulating the utility expectations of two simultaneous roles

>>714396932 (OP)
>paladin is biggest pick
>but most wow players are homosexual
I want a game about a paladin who smites troons, moors, and merchants, just like real life.

>>714419273
>>714410696
rogues still have a heal.
>>714398091
>>714396932 (OP)
>Paladin
everyone plays pally because they suck and want to still be top dps. its a way over buffed class for years now.

>>714426184
Disc has less buttons in the rotation, but Blizzard also took away clutches like Rapture. It is worse than ever at reaction healing. It's easy to perform if you know when damage will hit, very hard if you don't. It's a special kind of difficulty: you don't need mechanical skill, but you need to understand the content and monitor your tank's defensives so you know when to ramp up.

>play hunter
>learn how to jump shoot for kiting and how to split mobs with frost trap
>still get called huntard
what is the class like now I only played during the first 2 years?

Paladins = Gigachads
post the classic webms of a rogue getting raped by a retchad

>>714426724
shut up huntard

>>714426724
I think thats just a general fag-in-games problem
>play MH3
>use longsword
>use it so deftly that Ive never tripped anyone in a hunt
>still get called LStard

>play fiona in vindictus
>use heavy shield to get quicker cancels and not be subject to knockbacks
>stay on boss constantly DPSing while everyone else has to flee or gets knocked away
>get called a shieldbabby.

>>714396932 (OP)
Thats one of the most even spreads of class/character distribution I have ever seen in anything ever.

Cry harder fucking retard faggot.

>>714426092
They are trying to push this shit with mount drops and classic MoP since it's the "best" expansion of wow history

>>714404220
>>714403865
>aff
>ton of button bloat to only do as much damage as other specs
>demo
>strong and usually the one you do in dungeons
>destro
>simplified mage
aff is cool and should be the focus point of demo but it just feels awful always. spriest managed to make dots feel good so blizz ignores aff.

>>714427175
>Thats one of the most even spreads of class/character distribution
Genuinely the game is really well balanced right now. All specs are easily viable into a +12 which is more than what >99% of the playerbase achieves.

>>714423034
lol what bullshit revisionist history is this? barb had no usable specs, while hammerdin was basically the best in the game and smiteadin was the most efficient for ubers. necro was shit as well

>>714427410
It really is.

>>714427175
>some classes are literally twice as popular as others, also evoker lol
>instantly gets defensive, starts seething and writes like a fucking retardditor
It's so embarrassingly obvious lmao

>>714408157
>>714408295
I agree. A lot of the people who complain about wow dont even play the game anymore. Asmongold a good well known example. whines about some video and quit years ago. dude couldnt even play well then let alone now.

>>714427678
>>714427773
retard here is this a sign it is balanced or not?

>>714418654
>huge meta faggot
thats literally paladin though. everyone rerolled dwarf paladin to be a meta tryhard.

>>714427868
The preponderance of classes in early m+ is perfectly in line with class distribution as shown in the OP, and remains so until +13, which is what you need to get the 3000io mount.

After that it's just minmax autists playing to test the limits of what is possible, and it dilutes into the best classes. This accounts for less than 1% of m+ runs. And no matter how well balanced the game is, as long as there is a 1% difference between two classes the autists playing +20s will always choose the one with the 1% edge.

So in my opinion yes, it means the game is balanced.

>>714427868
Half the classes don't exist, others have a single spec the higher M+ goes, what do you think?
Also, if a post replying to you has reddit spacing it's some clueless wowo wawa drone with a battered wife syndrome, dude has been apologising through the entirety of the thread KEK

>>714401354
Can't wait bros. Going to go dwarf shaman and dab on niggers and negresses

>>714428436
Are you retarded? Every spec is represented up to +20

>>714428436
>half classes dont exist
>literally every class is present in the same proportion as class distribution
I agree that the chart denounces inequality among specs. But every class will have one spec more popular than another. And this is not even a fair comparison because for example, if a class has a dps spec, a tank spec and a healing spec, the dps spec will be way more popular than the other two because most players play DPS.

>muh reddit spacing
Eat shit pic related

I only play WoW because its the literal only game to get the Death Knight aesthetic right.
Death Knight is my calling

>>714400651
shill

>>714428635
This but shaman. I can't believe no other games get "master of the elements" archetype right.

>>714428560
>trotting out a screenshot of a factually wrong post
lol

>>714428245
>The preponderance of classes in early m+ is perfectly in line with class distribution as shown in the OP
>paladin is top1, hunter is top3 in popularity
>quite the opposite in M+
Okay, thanks for confirming you're live coping and making shit up on a whim.

>>714428502
>uhh there's 0.2% of X DHs though on 20+????
lmao
bro priests, mages, dks? are you pretending big guy?

>>714428764
Are you blind? Paladin is still easily top 1 up until +12s. Like holy shit do you have any idea how to read a graph?

Hunter probably has like 8% popularity compared to the 10% at OP

>>714428739
based. ive really enjoyed playing shaman. used to be lock only, little druid/war/dk tanking but resto sham has been incredibly fun lately.

>>714428635

>>714428979
Shaman seems to have three fun specs, which is pretty nice considering other classes struggle to even have one fun spec.

>>714428907
you'll never even play at that level so why are you whining? just go do your +2 with any spec you like

>>714429260
But every class except rogue has fun specs

>>714429260
agreed, they did a good job. all 3 actually seem fun and strong right now. one of the reasons i moved away from lock. just felt like every time i tried a spec for lock i felt i had only 1 real choice for the most part.

>>714429407
>>714428907
Last week I was looking up how people do void disc priest at a +20 and realized there's literally only 3 people that have done it in warcraft logs

It's truly retarded to whine about class distribution in +20. The amount of people doing that content is extraordinarily small. It doesn't make sense to balance classes around +20s.

I, for one, embrace the edginess and grimdark tomfoolery of my main.
Suffer well, brothers.

>>714429776
Speak your piece.

>>714429776
>Love the lore of the scourge and death knights
>They get an entire expansion to flesh them and their characters representing them out in Shadowlands
>It is, by far, the worst expansion and pretty killed the entire Warcraft story, or what was left of it.

>>714429998
ew

>>714430116
You just reposted my pic from wowg
why

>>714429776

>>714429998
God damn every Allied race was a mistake, but Mechagnomes, Vulpera, and Kul-Tirans truly top the list. Hideous.

>>714430158
whops wrong thread and wrong pic

>>714429776
Ashes to ashes

>>714430482
>posting this at the end of the fucking thread

>>714430482
use this one instead

So it was a /wowg/ thread after all.

new bread
>>714430901
new bread
>>714430901