Thread 714398408

>Everything's DEAD
>Everything's RUINED
>Akshually, this good character is BAD
>Expectations subverted!
>No friends or romance, you only kill things
>All female characters die
>Constantly manipulated
What's the point of becoming the "lord" of a bunch of ruined castles filled with zombies when everyone is dead and everything sucks?

>>714398408 (OP)
Play something else then, retard

to be the sole light in a rotten world sitting back knowing the swaths of degeneracy were felled by your own hand which is why it resonates so strongly with the naive deus vult white supremacist zoomers of modern times

>>714398726
>the sole light
I know this is bait, but you don't do that. You literally keep the status quo going forever. Is the opposite of being the light.

>>714398726
Checks out since you kill gay twinks and shit eaters in this game

>>714398408 (OP)
You get a kino friend in SOTE, though. There is also the one sided Miquella x Radahn "romance".
>Akshually, this good character is BAD
>Expectations subverted!
A careful observer knew Miquella is shifty before DLC.
Either way, Fromsoft games are all about killing gods so that you can become a god yourself. Go play Bald Gay 3 if you want to make out with dwarves.

>>714398408 (OP)
>No friends or romance, you only kill things
>All female characters die
Nepheli?

>>714398867
no faggot there are multiple endings where the status quo changes
>ranni frees everyone
>the flame of frenzy melts everthing away
>godwyn's rune merges life and death

>>714398408 (OP)
You literally marry the main heroine and leave with her to Space bro. You even have a dating arc with her.

>>714399016
>You either like everything is dead and depressing or clown fantasy
Why there's no option C) being a genuinely good fantasy story with heroic characters instead of shitty rehashes and subvert your expectations trash?

>>714398408 (OP)
why couldnt it be where the player is a miserable bitch but then he gets hit by a truck! then he wakes up in medieval england and theres a flock of 10 year old girls with elf ears whining and screaming and laughing? and no one or thing ever brings up the possibility that he should return to reality ever again.... man that's what i call video games.

>>714398408 (OP)
This has been the case since Demon Souls, fool. Fromsoft does not know how to end NPC's stories other than to have them die or disappear.

>>714399453
My expectations weren't soobverted because I am not a retard with retarded expectations. I got what I wanted.
Heroic, noble characters are also far from absent in From games so I am genuinely confused by your post.

>>714399130
Of these only Ranni's ending is relevant. The others are barely different or straight up worse than just leaving things as they were before, like burning everything to the ground. Again, the opposite of being the "light" of anything. Ranni's ending also doesn't show you rebuilding the world and actually ruling it to create something new, is just going out in space travel with the waifu. Is just a little bit less depressing than the rest of the game but isn't nearly enough to reward the load of shit the player has to put up with.

>>714398408 (OP)
You described souls, not dark fantasy. read some books dumb fromdrone.

>>714398408 (OP)
Anon maybe you've just played too much Dark fantasy and need a pallete cleanser

>>714399453
Isn't this that shit movie where the hero is a worthless gnome or something who just happens to be the best and most heroic for epic subversion?

>>714400549
>Of these only Ranni's ending is relevant

wrong in gold mask ending all strumpets lose which makes it the correct choice

>>714398408 (OP)
I thought the point was that you repair or rewrite the rules of reality so that the world isn't full of castles filled with zombies anymore
The "everything's dead and ruined" works for the kind of storytelling they go for where you just kind of put it together yourself via little fragments. Could you imagine lived in cities full of faggots explaining everything to you in a game like Bloodborne or ER

>>714399016
>Fromsoft games are all about killing gods so that you can become a god yourself.
Literally the plot to BG3 you tard.

>>714398408 (OP)
> The HERO?
> ME

>>714401750
Neither Ranni and Goldmask solve the problem of the growing number of those that live in death. In time there will be more undead servants of Godwyn than living people. Especially when everyone that survived the shattering is finally put to rest.

>>714401873
I am not trans so I haven't played BG3, but maybe. I bet it's approach to this is completely different either way.

>>714402202
No, Ranni removes immortality from everyone.

>>714402283
Those that live in death aren't related to immortality at all. They are all bound to Godwyn. Who you never kill. And who survives into the new age no matter what you do.

>>714402503
Destined Death was returned to the world. Anyone can go kill Godwyn and with him end the Undead.

>>714398408 (OP)
>uhh where is my heckin good ending and waifu please
Fuck off nigger

>>714402656
If that was so easy Marika could have saved him from agony at any time. Instead she went full woman mode and lost her mind. Also the player has the rune of death and can do fuck all to Godwyn.

>>714402776
Super Mario mogs everything reddit hacks like George RR Martin or the Dune writer scribbled about what if everything was le bad, below the worst zombie schlock or YA post apocalypse or repetitive dystopias, cope.

>>714399757
>no one or thing ever brings up the possibility that he should return to reality ever again
i kinda want to see an isekai where everyone is racist to the mc and tell him to go back to his shitty world now lmao

>>714402656
If it was so easy Maliketh could have finished him long ago instead he has dedicate himself to combating manifestations of Godwyn on the go. There is no "killing Godwyn" in this setting.

>>714402984
>Super Mario mogs
Lmaoooooo

>>714403047
Anon, the path to Godwyn was also sealed by Radahn from one side keeping the stars from falling and opening the way to Nokron and Morgott from the other keeping Three Fingers locked away.

>>714402776
Better than the "subvert your expectations" and everyone is depressed all the time, yes.

>>714402984
Martin's book aren't like that but you are probably illiterate

>>714403352
It's only "subverting your expectations" because you're balls deep in the culture war, plenty of myths and stories have bad endings and pretending it's some left right shit is pathetic
My advice? Grow up

>>714398408 (OP)
You could just choose the burn it all ending

>>714403457
He is just a Miquellafag.

>>714403314
>the path to Godwyn was also sealed by Radahn
You can get to his resting place from the capital sewers. Maliketh isn't blocked by two fingers cringe like the tarnished are.

>>714403738
I hate waifu niggers

>>714403453
Your right nothing happens for 99% of it because he's busy describing every blade of grass and wrinkle on every character in the scene, he only puts in "shocking" shit in cliffhangers to stop his readers falling into a coma and tricking the reader to think something might actually be happening for once.

>>714403748
The path from the Sewers is blocked by Morgott instead because it requires you to reach Three Finger's seal.

>>714403457
Nigga, what the fuck are you talking about? A character being presented as universally good just to be retconned into "he was evil all along" is basic bitch subverting your expectations move. Keep your projections to yourself.

>>714403970
>Your
see? see? see? do you see?! every martin hater is a glue eating illiterate pants shitting retard

>>714404045
>a good character was... le bad????
You've never read any books huh

>>714404161
>basic bitch subverting your expectations
>basic bitch
NTA but he clearly did to recognise such a hacky "subversion" that only the dimmest still clap at after the thousandth time like a small baby playing peekaboo

>>714404362
Because it's a buzzword, we used to call it a twist faggot

>>714398408 (OP)
>Le romance!
>Le FEEEEMALEEES!!!
Die, degenerate scum!
Females do not matter for good video games!

>>714398408 (OP)
You’re describing Fromslop, not dark fantasy.

>>714398408 (OP)
Play The Witcher 3 instead if you want a better dark fantasy experience.

>>714404704
Most dark fantasy is like that anyway. Warhammer is almost identical to FromSoftware style.
>Everyone is evil and there's no hope

>>714406208
>>Everyone is evil and there's no hope
dark fantasy is basically medieval times if everyone was a rightwing rethuglican

>>714398408 (OP)
>Everything's DEAD
False
>Everything's RUINED
False
>Akshually, this good character is BAD
Stop trusting random strangers that are obviously evil
>Expectations subverted!
Not really
>No friends or romance, you only kill things
Provably false
>All female characters die
False
>Constantly manipulated
Sounds like you just being a smoothbrain who's easy to manipulate.

>>714403854
I actually quite like Miquella, but it's a misanthropic sort of appeal. So the OG Miquellafags who wanted him to be a wholesome chungus got filtered.
Through observing the world, he grew weary of human passions, which are the cause of war, violence, and suffering. So he decided he would turn the world into a beautiful garden, and humans into "perfect" dolls that would inhabit it. He is an artist-egoist.

What's some good dark fantasy then?

Fromslop has been doing this since their first game. It's in their DNA. They can't evolve past misery porn.

The Elden world isn't supposed to be as dead as Souls but despite them being sane humans they copypasted hollow mannerisms onto the human enemies

>>714407816
Malazan

>>714406208
They are nothing alike. In Warhammer, war is a sad constant that doesn't really lead anywhere, all is hopeless. At most it's an animalistic fight for survival, but for what?
In Miyazaki's games your rape and killing reinvigorates the world and leads to something new, pushes the world forward. (You) are the hope.

>>714409652
>the world and leads to something new
You literally never see this happening, because every new game they make even when is a continuation of a previous saga like in Dark Souls you only see dead and destruction.

>>714398408 (OP)
>our game is a MATURE DARK FANTASY
>and since it's MATURE and DARK it has to include nudity and, more importantly, racism
>check out the epic racism in our MATURE DARK FANTASY
>"We just hate these elves and dwarves because... we just hate them okay"
Riveting. Good job, Nowak.

>>714410070
DS2 is pretty much a self contained story. DS3 is the true sequel and a cautionary tale about what happens if you refuse to kill what has to be killed.
IIRC Miyazaki never wanted to make any sequels in the first place. You see why.

>>714398408 (OP)
>All female characters die
Good!
More games need to do this.

>>714404005
Morgott is a golden order fundamentalist he would listen to Maliketh.

>>714404045
>A character being presented as universally good
Nigger we all theorized that miquella was an evil shit, it couldn't be more clear with all the hints base game ER gave you. Fucking IQlet

>>714398726
its actually because the modern world is rotten by the jew, and the dark souls world is the one where I can really get a feel for the hollowness that I feel everytime when Im talking to normies

>>714410615
Elden Ring is all that. You missed the Hornsent and Omen racism plot? The naked Mallenia? Substitute elves for horned humans and you have ER.

It's genuinely troubling to me that most /v/tards were never made to read any greek tragedies in skewl. It's just fucking alien to them that you can write something besides capeshit.
What the fuck is amerimutt education?

>>714398408 (OP)
The tragedy and seriousness in fromsoft games exists only to play as the straight man for when you die from a giant lobster squirting projectile piss at you. Copycat dark fantasy sucks because they don't understand that it works with Miyazaki because he's a goober and a troll. It is not the kind of setting that is good, but the way in which its designed.
>No romance
Works on my machine.

>>714411387
There is a very clear reason for Malenia/humanity to hate Hornsent, though. It's like the very opposite of the dumb rethuglican metaphor in W3.
Omen are also hated because the curse is Hornsent doing.

>>714410615
ER is worse than that. It panders to footfags. That's the lowest a medium can fall.

>>714412214
>Malenia
I mean Marika ofc

>>714412214
>There is a very clear reason for Malenia/humanity to hate Hornsent
LMAO
I want to remind you the Golden Order oppressed people so much and in such cruel ways that it caused a link with the fire of frenzy and the birth of the three fingers. Nothing the hornsent did could ever compare to the death camp under Leyndell.

>>714412214
Marika and the hornsent worked hand in hand. The jars and potentates were all a way to elevate her to godhood. She's guilty of everything they did. The hornsent don't see her as a invading enemy but as a traitor that turned against them after years of cooperation.

>>714411118
Yeah, and Griffith was also foreshadowed turning evil from the start of Berserk. What's your point? Is still retarded and overused in these stories.

>>714412464
I don't care about the "WHO IS MORE EVILER" discussion. Marika's kin was tortured and violated by Hornsent, their hate is perfectly rational.
>>714412917
They can see her however they like.

If Kings Field can have towns, why can't Souls games?

>>714413131
Don't use the word humanity then, because the shamans aren't humans. What's more they were all finger cucks puppeted by Metry.

>>714410615
>two cultures who clash in values fucking hate each other
Why is this so hard for leftists to understand?

>>714413095
>foreshadowed
He was straight up shown to be a evil devil in the first adventure ever published.

>>714413591
They are clearly related. Besides looks, Omen curse troubles both.

>>714413390
King's Field was made before hackazaki took over all creative control over From. Even AC4 which he directed shifted both in tone and gameplay from the original AC.

Hornsent represented the only civilization in the setting that doesn't worship the fingers and doesn't need aliens as mediums. They cultivated their godly messengers themselves. Marika on the other hand was advised by the fingers since birth since she was a Empyrean.

>>714413390
>If X has Y, then why doesn't Z have Y? wtf
/v/tard "logic"
>took over all creative control over From
What the fuck is "From"? There was always a number of different artists, all with different sensibilities, creating within the company. Not some singular "From" entity that decides on everything. Also KF4 was already a very bleak game, it didn't have towns or w/e.
The real problem is that games are now fucking expensive to make and it takes a lot of time and people. That's why their catalogue isn't as diverse.

>>714415924
All King's Field games were always created by the same team of people. Same producer, director, writer, designer and programmer. This is true for the AC games till AC4.

>>714416112
My point is that a singular "From" vision didn't exist, so Miyazaki couldn't subvert it or w/e.
Also I looked through directors and producers on AC games and they kept swapping these guys around a lot.

I do think “post apocalyptic grim dark fantasy” is a very tired aesthetic now.

It’s really hard to be invested in a world consumed by Nihilism where literally none of your decisions matter that much.

>>714416840
These seem to be so popular even Zelda made it. Why they think is deep?

>>714417317
New Zelda's have towns with people. Souls are now a self-parody.

>>714399130
That's why cacaman's ending is the best

>>714398408 (OP)
Based, im fucking tired too.

>>714414591
The Hornsent were making the Gate of Divinity to channel the greatest beast of all, the Elden Beast.

>>714413390
Why do Souls games need towns?

Never want to touch kusoge like King's Field but did it have lively towns?

>>714418383
They shouldn't. It's only outsiders begging for the games to be something else entirely even though they could get that supply anywhere else. They'll never be happy.

>>714418547
Come on man i wanted to mindlessly argue for half an hour, don't rain on my fun.

>>714418075
Elden Beast? Show me it's horns. No horns? Not really divine. Simple as.

>>714418418
It had a town in King's Field 3. Pretty impressive for it's time considering it has no loading screens.

>>714398408 (OP)
The whole point is younare going to make things good again, but i guess someone looking for escapsim and a "ready to rule" comfy kingdom might not like the idea of duty, hardwork and responsibility.

>>714418298
nobody says this

>>714417317
There’s an element of insecurity around the fantasy genre where they feel they need to “prove” that it’s a serious genre. Combine that with the modern fetish for “subverting” tropes, and you get Souls-like nihilism.

>>714418383
Maybe in a more linear game, you don’t need them, but in something like Elden Ring, which has an entire open world, it’s necessary to not make the world feel hollow.

>>714418547
If Miyazaki or some other director decides they should then they should, they must have a reason for that. Problem is when people want them just because it's a thing in Skyrim or something and so every "RPG" should have them now.

>>714419617
>it’s necessary to not make the world feel hollow.
Why do you need the world to not feel hollow?

>>714419617
You're a guy set to fix the shitty part of the world by killing off the gunk left over by the cowardly pagan gods and goddesses. There's no twists that takes away from your morality like most dark fantasy does and paints you as the bad guy all along tm.

>>714419617
>game lets you travel in multiple directions = i HAVE to be able to play gwent with peasants in the tavern or it's bad game design
bravo

>>714407816
Black Company

>>714418383
Elden Ring specifically needed a town or some sort of survivor settlement. Otherwise why the fuck would anyone want to be Elden Lord and rule over a kingdom of corpses and ruins? It would make Malena's speech in front of the frenzy flame door sound a lot less retarded.

>>714420495
All the thing that try to kill you have gone insane because the Elden Ring is broken. If you fix it, they'll kneel to you.

>>714398408 (OP)
LOL!

>>714421789
No, pretty sure that's not how it works.

>>714423193
That's literally how it works. You fix the Elden Ring then people start worshipping you because you hold the fucking code of the world.

>>714399848
Whats the alternative smart boi

>>714423962
>People
Where are they?

>>714424183
All the soldiers, the merchants, the wandering nobles, the wizards...

>>714424370
Oh, the crazies who have been alive for centuries. Yeah, I doubt mending the elden ring is going to magically fix their sanity. Besides you killed all of them except the merchants anyway.

>>714398408 (OP)
Depressing games are more interesting flat out

>>714398408 (OP)
I liked DS, but man they keep repeating the same plot over and over
Omg this poor baby final boss ah so cute he's a shadow of his former self I love him so much, nigger it's the 7th time this happens

>>714424706
In time those who live in death will outnumber the living. Ranni created a hell there is no escape from.

>>714424636
It's literally the reason their sanity is broken. And i didn't kill them all, otherwise they would stop spawning.

>>714424724
Though, Souls games are extremely overdone. I think the depressing, bleak tone, is better done in Armored Core than in Souls

>>714425021
Just smack them when they're on the ground, it's not that hard.

>>714398408 (OP)
>No romance
good. I'm so tired of games secretly being waifu machines

>>714425021
Just gotta train more anti-death knights like D.

>>714398726
>The sole light
Everyone hates you, the ones who are nice to you are nice to everyone, and have a 95% chance of meeting a horrible fate because of your actions

And what you accomplish at the end? The world is fucked but in a different way oh wow thank you

>>714425030
Game mechanic has no bearing on lore

>>714425490
Then all the soldiers are sane and reasonable, since the fact that they attack you is just a game mechanic.

>>714425904
No, they attack because they're crazy.

>>714426009
Then TLID can be killed permanently by smacking their remains.

>>714420124
>set to fix the shitty part of the world by killing
Curious. You never get to "fix" anything in Souls-likes because every subsequent game takes place in a desolated wasteland.

>>714419617
>“prove” that it’s a serious genre.
Oh, but Fantasy is a serious genre. And is a very good one. The Zanzibartian/For the Emperah on the other hand... is starting to become a parody of itself. They're basically clones at this point despite all their barking about originality.

>>714426641
No, that's gameplay.

>>714427404
Then being attacked on sight by soldiers is also just gameplay.

>>714427661
I just told you >>714426009

>>714427809
Show me some place that says that TWLID reanimate even if their bodies are briken.

>>714398408 (OP)
Ohh so dark fantasy is real life gotcha.

>every fantasy game could look like this if not for Dark Souls
Look at what Fromsoft took from you.

>>714428093
Once again, that's gameplay

>>714398408 (OP)
Play super Mario and Bing Bing wahoo in colorful fantasy. Or play literally any other infinite fucking fantasy games instead of a popular game because you have fomo. Or... perhaps you need to GIT GUD on this game since you're probably a pathetic zoomer who punches walls and throw controllers around at your screen because you can't handle dying in games. Either way, OP is a faggot who wants to bitch and moan about whatever game isn't satisfactory to your shit taste.

>>714429674
Lord of the Rings Online?

>>714430210
>Zoomer using "zoomer:" as an insult
Never gets old.

>>714402251
no that's how it works in the setting, most gods in dnd became gods by killing the previous gods and it's entirely possible for PCs on the tabletop to kill gods

>>714429674
LOTRO is still going?

>>714429674
Blame UE5. Fromsoft doesn't have that problem.

>>714429674
Looks like shit.

>>714429674
If dark fantasy sucks why is it so successful

>>714431069
>blame the tools for shitty artists and designers

>>714429674
It's an engine issue.

>>714431204
>witcher
>dark fantasy
It's literally eastern europe.There are worse places on earth.

>>714418298
I say this.

>>714431204
Because they're ridding the popularity coattails of GoT. ER had fucking GRRM behind it.

>>714431390
The first two Witcher games precede the GoT adaptation. Witcher build it's name from nothing.

>>714431294
Eastern Europe isnt happy enough to be anything but dark fantasy

>>714431516
3 had an unnatural explosion of popularity and GoT was at its highest at the time.

What is light fantasy, anon ? Most medieval stories are about rape

>>714431204
Because it's cool but its gone on for so long its become too tropy samey and boring, need a different brand of fantasy now

anyone who believes Dark Souls and Witcher resemble each other in any way should probably die IMOTBHDESU

I would kill for a whimsical fantasy setting with upbeat npcs. Fromsoft is the wrong dev since they only know one story.

>>714431804
Witcher is about functioning societies. From has no idea what that is. No point to even compare the two.

>>714431804
Dark souls isnt the same as dragon age but theyre both dark fantasy

>>714432054
Fromsoft are hacks who only go by their previous shit games. No risks are taken. Even Square has a better idea of a RPG.

>>714431804
Dark Souls isn't dark fantasy, it's a sword and sorcery adventure

>>714431804
Japanese dark fantasy focuses on hopelessness and the end of the world and your inability to do anything about it
European dark fantasy is about struggling to survive in a hostile world that wants you dead and forcing you to make hard choices
American dark fantasy is about exploring desolate lands and surviving all alone in an unknown place

>>714430885
I am talking about *why* it's even present in these games. The writers philosphy, outlook, why would they even wants you to do that.
BG3 is ultimately about nothing. It's a very complex The Sims for women who want to rim dwarves.

>>714398408 (OP)
dark fantasy is comfy

>>714432682
>Japan got nuked
>Europe has fucked up fairytales and monsters
>America had to trudge through unknown wilderness with nothing but the clothes on their back
It's funny how their history lines up with their fiction

>>714432682
Dark fantasy is any fantasy that has elements of macabre or horror in place of actual substance. A hostile world or apocalypse aren't what defines the genre. If that was the case Hobbit would be a dark fantasy novel.

>>714433050
That's too broad, pretty much any good fantasy has some fucked up shit going on doesn't mean it's dark fantasy

Nier did a better job at portraying dark fantasy than Miyazaki ever did in his entire career.

>>714433262
That's right. That's why dark fantasy is a genre no author aspires to it's a derogatory term.

>>714432054
Witcher is a retarded pseudo social realism about doing stock CRPG activities for morallygreygrimdark caricatures so that they give you "the permit" to cross the bridge.
>>714432128
Dark souls isn't the same as microsoft word but they're both on a computer. Who cares.
If what you are saying is true then "dark fantasy" is a worthless category and shouldn't be used when discussing art.
>>714432457
Don't care.
>>714432682
>Japanese dark fantasy focuses on hopelessness and the end of the world and your inability to do anything about it
Dark Souls is specifically about "doing something about it". Thanks for reminding me to play Drakengard, though. Will get to it after finishing AC4A, maybe.

>>714433262
You're to blinded by modern fantasy, a good fantasy setting can exist without gratuitous amounts of rape and murder and gore or any at all really, old wizardry is a prime example of that

>>714433440
>pseudo social realism
Unironic brain damage.

>>714433440
>Dark Souls is specifically about "doing something about it".
yeah but all that time and effort spent ends in ashes with two crackheads going at it meaning it was all for nothing

>>714432682
Japanese dark fantasy is just cosmic horror DESU

>>714433440
Dark souls is specifically written to make all your efforts meaningless. It's all a pointless cycle. Only meaningful act in the entire lore was made by Gwyn anything the player does is meaningless and pointless.

So when can we expect the patch to unfuck the 2bug fight?

>>714434220
>unfuck
Skill issue.

>>714433647
I agree, CDPR has to be unironically brain damaged considering they enjoy this garbage.
>>714433675
>>714433823
as I said >>714410720
The world *can* be fixed. Just heed Kaathe's advice.

>>714398408 (OP)
Lies of P perfectly showcased that you can have souls like NPC’s that don’t fucking randomly die because you sneezed the wrong direction during a quest. It felt refreshing beating it the first time and coming back to a full Hotel filed with my friends who I protected.

>>714435653
You never played Bloodborne? You described the Odeon chapel from BB.

>>714436061
>adriana gives birth to downsbaby and loses it
>screwloose dindu beast kills your friends offscreen
>old lady goes senile

>>714435653
Lame. You finish the game and then what? They just stand there forever? Death or leaving on a journey serve as perfect closure IMO. You move on and so do they.
Nepheli Loux in ER has a 'happy' ending and it's fucking lame. She just sits there, forever. Woohoo
>>714436061
Don't they all start dying in later part of the game? Or going insane, at least?

>>714436540
I think old lady is just high as fuck on sedatives, which allow her to survive while everyone else is going BANANAS. She dies if you ask her to share some too many times because she runs out of them.

>>714398408 (OP)
From Soft is extraordinarily dark fantasy. to the point i've lost interest in the formula.
>old fantasy world filled with demigod knights and dragons and eldritch monsters undergoes a cataclysmic off-screen war
>the protagonist shows up 20 minutes after the war ends and has to play Chosen Janny–
>–traveling across a devastated continent to last-hit all the crippled, shellshocked, CTE-ridden demigods that survived, who are at 1/1000th of their true strength
>become the King... of Nothing™
i sleep. wake me up when we get to participate in the apocalypse instead of cleaning up behind it.

>>714401693
Fromfag please the entire internet knows you freaks (and Miyazaki) have a reputation for fundamentally despising Tolkien you don't need to dress it up like a cute ignorant troll

Every Dark Souls

>>714437289
well, he aint wrong, MC was the only guy who could fix the elden ring while ever powerful demigods went insane and retarded

>>714398408 (OP)
>Akshually, this good character is BAD
Shadow of the Erdtree does the opposite though, twice even.

>>714398408 (OP)
>All female characters die
>ranni
>nepheli
>rya
>roderika

>>714400549
>Again, the opposite of being the "light" of anything.
It is intact being the biggest light.

>>714437081
>i sleep. wake me up when we get to participate in the apocalypse instead of cleaning up behind it.
Bloodborne and Demon's Souls.

>>714437081
>>become the King... of Nothing™
You become the king of the world.
Anor Londo wasn't built in a day.

>>714437081
>>old fantasy world filled with demigod knights and dragons and eldritch monsters undergoes a cataclysmic off-screen war
This is really only Edlen Ring though. Dark Souls doesn't have this, and we get a lot of information about the world going on outside which is still very much alive and well outside of dealing with undead now popping up. The gods never had a big war among themselves it was just a slow gradual decay much like the first flame, and the player is essentially part of a massive god inspired psyop to get humanity to sacrifice itself to prologue the age of the gods.

>>714398408 (OP)
>All female characters speak with an annoying whisper

>>714438390
very sexy, all women should talk like that

ITT: We give video game consoles more accurate names

I'll start: OkayStation 5

>>714399453
>fag complaining about dark fantasy has only ever read (or more likely watched) LOTR
You manchildren are insufferable
Read a different book.
>>714404045
Miquella was obviously evil and I predicted him molesting Mohg, and was far from the only one. It’s by far the most obvious implication of learning about his ability for compelling affection tight after you witness Mohg having a deranged obsession with him.
Miquella fags are mentally ill pederasts.

>>714398408 (OP)
git gud scrub

>>714438009
Both of these are well in apocalypse territory by the time of your arrival

>>714404045
>A character being presented as universally good
>miquella
I don't even know how people got that idea, one of the few pre-DLC lore notes says exactly what's going on.
>The Empyrean Miquella is loved by many people. Indeed, he has learned very well how to compel such affection.

>>714438273
>we get a lot of information about the world going on outside
lmao

>>714439129
You know if you Fromtrannies actually knew a single thing about Tolkien beyond shitting your pants at the simple fact his work exists you'd know Middle Earth is full of bleak and hopeless periods. What I think really enrages you scum is that he has goodness prevailing no matter how dark it gets and that the work is inherently tied to Catholic themes. Fitting really, as Fromfags can be generously called atheistic at best and full on willing Satanic at worst.

>>714439362
No they aren't. Demon's Souls is still very early in it, most of the world isn't even effected by it. And Bloodborne is much of the same and in fact isn't even in an apocalyptic event, it's just a bad night and you don't even solve any of the actual problems in any of the endings.

Am I the only one who finds Gwyn, Gwyndolin and Frampt trio quite sympathetic? Not sympathetic enough to do their bidding, that's just stupid, but still.

>>714439460
Well it does happen anon, we learn about many different places from the outside world, with the characters from there who only aren't there because they became undead. Those lands are all still functioning, we even meet non-undead from those regions.

>>714439598
Goodness rarely prevails in reality so I just don't find this as appealing. The world is hell.

>>714398408 (OP)
The only souls game I felt was a bit too much in that regard was DS3, ER is fine overall
But it is true that it's less RPG and more gameplay overall, so you end up with "reasons to kill everything" more fundamentally

>>714439598
Again, you are proving my point. You think there are no other fantasy stories where the good guys win. “Good guys win but magic fades from the world” is an extremely common theme, obviously partially due to later authors imitating Tolkien, but it also has its basis in mythology and so is present in some of the works of some of the older fairy authors and the like, who wrote before or contemporaneously with Tolkien. You have no idea what you are talking about because you don’t even like fantasy, you are a manchild tradlarper and you should kill yourself.

>>714398408 (OP)
>marika is bad cause she killed horniggers
nah

>>714440020
None of that has anything to do with the simple fact LOTR exists being a personal affront to Fromshitters. You don't see you complaining about Le Morte D'Arthur or Lord Dunsany or William Hope Hodgson, or at least not with even near the same obsessive hatred. One can only assume that Fromfags have inherited their father Miyazaki's hatred for overt Catholic works or just things written by a Victorian white devil.

>>714439649
Nah, you're still just a vagabond warrior janny roaming a catastrophic territory cleaning up the decaying populace. The design philosophy is pretty much one hundred percent the same aside from Bloodborne's nightlong time-lapse.

>>714439598
>Hurin and his wife
Why? Why you have to remind me of this? Morgoth will pay for all his crimes.

>>714404045
the trailer for the DLC gave some heavy handed hints that miquella was bad.

>>714440530
NTA but you were the one who started shitting on 'zaki (while clearly not understanding the games very well). YOU were the one who brought up LOTR.

>>714440825
I didn't make the first post. But I knew eventually it would come up because Fromfags cannot help but fall into histrionics about LOTR existing at any given time. (Much like Miyazaki and GRRM)

>>714440530
Source on Mitazaki hating on LOTR. I don't recall him saying anything negative about it unless y ou got him mixed up with the other one who just shat on the movies. I'm missing the plot here.

>>714440530
Can we safely say Miyazaki's games are just another dumb take about much gnosticism as japs love to do and that's why they can't handle pure fantasy like Tolkien does?

>>714440980
He's an avowed lover of GRRM and Michael Moorcock, both outspoken in their contempt of Tolkien. It's also quite obvious from the games themselves. And he's Japanese.

What's Gene Wolfe's opinions on Tolkein

>>714398726
>the sole light
>he didn't Lord of Frenzied Flame
pleb

>>714441157
That's just between Tolkien and GRRM. If it helps ER was so barebones that it completely ignores GRRM efforts. Take that to >>>/lit/ if it helps your little crusade.

>>714441157
So, not only he sucks the fat fuck Martin, but he also sucks the OTHER fat fuck Moorcuck? Grim.

>>714441335
Gene Wolfe's works are spiritual successors to Tolkein's

These games are white supremacist propaganda and should be banned.

>>714440980
Can you imagine appreciating different authors without necessarily agreeing with them on everything? I bet Miyazaki can because he is far smarter than you. It's a valuable skill.
Also Japs make wholesome christian fantasy too. Watch Frieren if you like that stuff.

>>714438273
the whole opening cutscene of Dark Souls is the cataclysmic war?

TLOTR/Tolkienschizo tranny has to be new.

>>714440713
Regardless of the DLC, anyone who sincerely believed that a being blessed with the ability to compel affection as a godly gift would be purely benevolent in their intentions, was setting themselves up for major disappointment. Especially given From's track record of subverting expectations in post-release content.
It's the classic instance of a character imbued with the absolute power to deprive people of free will, using it to further their grandiose utilitarian agenda, and losing sight of basic humanistic principles in the process

>>714441335
>we'll never get a game set on Urth
It hurts

>>714398408 (OP)
>>Everything's DEAD
>>Everything's RUINED
>>Akshually, this good character is BAD
>>Expectations subverted!
>>No friends or romance, you only kill things
>>All female characters die
>>Constantly manipulated
goes hard

>>714441157
>GRRM can only write stories of incest and people having diarrhea
>Moorecock can only write shounenslop
amazing what hating Tolkein does to you

That's why Dragon's Dogma is the superior franchise. None of that Satanism crap and good old fashion fantasy. I'd also argue Final Fantasy is better in every way too.

>>714441815
>opening of dark souls shows the war of dragons ending in a golden age
>this is also thousands of years prior to the game
No it isn't.

...

>>714442038
>>714441448
GRRM is a fat fucking retard, but his dumb opinions is as far as it goes. Moorcock is a legitimate piece of shit who tried to get writers blacklisted or banned for non-leftist wrongthink.

>>714398550
Fpbp.

>>714398867
you literally become the sun in one ending

>>714441819
Nah, I'm almost certain it's just this dyed-in-the-wool buttblasted Shazam malingerer that's been loitering around for ages. There was a guy who used to stink up Elden Ring threads with this bizarre routine of tirades about how the game devalued the scale of its mythic fantasy landscapes compared to the likes of his own fantasized LOTR game by forcing the camera behind the player during gameplay and thus diminishing its grandeur.
I don't think any game on /v/ has ever quite generated such an intense nuclear level of butthurt as Elden Ring. Not even Monster Hunter World. It's like the Chernobyl of videogame seething.

Ok /lit/fags is this one of you resident schizos leaking here because I never heard Miyazaki nor a Fromdrone saying anything bad about LOTR in any interview.

>>714442472
I don't think Miyazaki even knows what LOTR is honestly, how many Japanese even know about it? It's mostly impenetrable to them. But Fromfags (as in the fanbase) have vocally definitely hated it on 4chan at least.

>>714442418
I thought it was Dogmafag for a sec since he goes nuclear at the mere mention of ER in his set up threads.

>>714436550
>They just stand there forever? Death or leaving on a journey serve as perfect
Less psychopathic FromSoft fan.

>>714442587
AAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGHHHGA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH >>714442224

>>714442223
anon, the dark souls trailer happened ages before the gameplay, in the game you are basically fighting the walking corpses of the demigods who are at a fraction of their power at a time when the society they helped form is long past its prime and is already decayed.

>>714442681
Yeah that's what I said in the original post anon.

>>714442587
I never see LOTR brought up in any souls threads unless they try to instigate flamewars which always have angry replies towards the person who initially start it. All Fromsoft threads here are just rage bait garbage.

>>714442790
How come every attempt to even discuss the good LOTR games on /v/ since ER came out get trolled by Fromfags who can't wait to get it off their chest how awful LOTR is? Where do Fromfags laugh and celebrate dogshit like Rings of Power simply out of spite for Tolkien? Psychopathic behavior honestly.

>>714398867
I thought the implication was that (You) are now the ruler of the Lands Between, and you can actually use your power to do whatever you want with the place instead of letting things stagnate like Morgott.
Age of Order is the best ending for me because you're beholden to nobody but yourself.

>>714442909
>How come every attempt to even discuss the good LOTR games on /v/ since ER came out get trolled by Fromfags who can't wait to get it off their chest how awful LOTR is?
Does this actually happen?

>>714442224
>Inspired by Lord of the Rings
>But hires Fatso the Martin to do his lore
Yeah, no. The Fatso is an outspoken critic of Tolkien and his work is the opposite of Legendarium from a philosophical point of view. Anyway I think Elden Ring and FromSoft fantasy sucking ass is the fault of the Japanese. Most of them seem to be unable to understand Fantasy as a concept on its deepest levels.

>>714442909
That shit never happened. Take your meds.

>>714442630
Don't you find the idea of them just standing there forever a bit depressing? Humans should live or die, not become manequins repeating their last 6 words till the end of time.

>>714442909
>every attempt to even discuss the good LOTR games on /v/
Can't imagine that's a common occurrence.

>>714442418
It's on BG3 level but I don't think it's just as bad since Chinese bot schizo dominates the discussion.

>>714443062
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/tolkien%20elden/order/asc/page/1/

>>714443161
Totally unbiased perspective, Fromfag

>>714398408 (OP)
Elden Ring's just fucking annoying because you can't do shit to fix the world beyond the few limited endings you can pursue. It's not like Dark Souls, where there's really only two ways for the world to go (keep the Flame burning or let it end and begin an Age of Darkness). There are a number of ways you can go about solving the many problems the Lands Between has, but your options are either:
>change nothing
>solve ONE of the problems
>make everything worse
>replace everything with this new system that you don't even know is better than the old one
It fucking sucks.

>>714443214
>most recent post is from 2019
Man imagine being that mindbroken.

>>714443284
It's not biased to point out LOTR's hasn't had a major game since 2017.

>>714443362
Learn how to use the archive retard, that was the oldest post
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/tolkien%20elden/

>>714443214
Ancient text but it was usual joking around about the game's title and calling it unoriginal. Whole lot of nothing.

>>714443347
>because you can't do shit to fix the world
One ending allows you to fix everything anon.

>>714443362
Retarded newfaggot.

>>714443458
It's biased insofar as Fromfags will never admit there was a good LOTR anything.

>>714443564
Games would never be as good as books. If you feel so threatened by a game not falling to your standards then seek help.

>>714443286
There's nothing wrong with Japanese not really comprehending something like Tolkien, cultural differences being eroded in modern times is not a good thing. Do you understand Tale of Genji the same way an actual Japanese would?

>>714398408 (OP)
We should of been allowed to consort Miquella and go on a 1000 year voyage of steamy femboy bumlovin instead of getting saddled with an old roasty in a tree or some frozen, crusty sex doll.

>>714443214
Based on this it seems like more people are seething about fromfags apparently seething.

>>714443694
Fromfags hate the books (and movies too I guess) though? That's the whole point.

>>714399016
Best boy

>>714443802
I'd imagine they'd probably like the games then, since the Shadow games are vary un-tolkien in their philosophy.

>>714413390
Elden Ring has Jarburg. What more do you want?

>>714443757
I hate tranny pedos and wish they gave us an option to dispose of Ranni too. There is no good moral reason to keep her alive when she caused the events that turned the world into a shithole.

>>714443347
>>replace everything with this new system that you don't even know is better than the old one
There is always some risk to trying something new.

>>714443962
FromSoft fags will make unironic post like this one asking for killing MORE characters and cry like bitches when their 300 kg asses are called out for being nihilistic weirdos with a katana.

Maybe you can play something else and not let a game live rent free for 3 plus fucking years. I don't fuck with Cyberpunk 2077 but you don't see me crying about why it's inferior to Deus Ex, GTA etc... constantly.

>>714443546
But that's what I'm saying. The Lands Between has its fair share of problems, but there's nothing indicating that they all can't be solved with enough time and effort. But the only way to choose another ending besides "change literally nothing about the world" is to pledge yourself to some retard who has their own vision of an ideal world that's fucking bonkers. I don't feel like I'm caught in a tragic dilemma like the Chosen Undead, I just feel cheated out of actually doing anything to save the world.

>>714398408 (OP)
Elden Ring could've been more interesting if it was a high fantasy game with clear good and evil desu. It's literally just Dark Souls 4. I listened and played all the Zanzibart forgive me stories they wanted to tell already with 5 Souls games before it.

>>714402992
Shield hero is like that, at least most of it is.
Really any isekai scenario you can come up with has either an anime or a manga (and definitely has a LN). Japs just can not stop slurping up isekai slop.

>>714443347
Goldmask's does actually solve the problem by removing the pettiness of the gods.

>>714444141
It's a dumb edgy video game. You kill shit. Dark Souls gave us an option to dispose level ups in some endings. I just want more freedom to squish things especially evil selfish things like Rainni. If you think it's anything else then you're delusional.

>>714443731
>Do you understand Tale of Genji the same way an actual Japanese would?
I think Tale of Genji is so distant by now actual Japanese wouldn't understand it much better than me. Still, romance and passing of time are universal.
What is it that Japs couldn't understand about LOTR?

>>714398408 (OP)
Still better than LoTR-derived slop. At least it's more original. "High fantasy" is codeword for generic garbage,

>>714444380
Does it? I heard that the DLC reveals whatever Divine Order Goldmask's ending brings about is at the mercy of a higher-up entity.

>>714444413
i say in a completely non-ironic /pol/ way that Tolkien's work is literally for whites only, Japanese at best look at it like Dungeons and Dragons and see nothing beyond surface level

>>714443731
No, that's not true. They constantly draw things from Western culture, otherwise they wouldn't have brough I-Never-Complete-My-Book to write their game. They just conveniently ignore what they don't like. Is incompetence, not ignorance.

>>714444527
Anon, FromSoft games ARE generic garbage. Everyone and their mother are copying them.

>>714444640
That's why the Japoids sided with the Nazis because they don't understand basic compassion nor love for humanity.

>>714444640
I don't think you understand these works either cuz you refused to explain what would be so difficult for Japs to comprehend.

>>714444924
Even Hitler said Japanese are basically aliens, more advanced than whites in some respects but just utterly unfamiliar and foreign

>>714444603
This was always the case, Goldmask was already talking with it. What he removes is the gods, those like Merika, as he sees all the problems of the world coming from them being fallible. It's the conclusion he draws when he learns the nature of Radagon. His world is one where the gods and demigods no longer control the fate of the golden order based on random whims.

>>714444797
Do you expect them to create only works based on *entirety* of western culture? Are you retarded?

>>714444969
How about the Catholic themes? You know the foreign religion Japan has historically had aggression towards? Hell even the Pagan themes. How about the languages? How about the Hobbits representing a specific subset of Englishmen during a specific time? Just white people things nigga.

>>714444893
Dark fantasy has way more varied settings and scenarios. Sekiro and Bloodborne are also dark fantasy and are nothing like Souls in terms of setting. Meanwhile gigh fantasy is already a solved genre. Once you watch/read LoTR there is no point in consuming anything else. Everything else is an inferior copy.

Me and my leftist friend hate these games because they reek of white power fantasy.

ITT: famous japanese who could NEVER understand Based Tolkien because they were chud nihilist nazi fucks

>>714398408 (OP)
i just think the aesthetic rocks, logic be damned

>>714445296
I don't think christian outlook would be that hard for them to recognize. They may disagree with it, but that's another thing.
As for the rest it also goes over the head of 99% Whites.

That's because Japs lack basic human values like compassion and are very racist against anyone who isn't their own.

>>714445575
>image ruined by tanime slop

>>714445614
they are racist but they don't lack compassion, you see it in their hero fiction, their superheroes are far more heroic than anything from American capeshit. They can understand values of the modern world but something based on specific European (white) myths or Christian religion lose them.

I agree. I still like souls games but the plots are anime tier edgy

>>714445759
I know this is bait but I wish we actually had more atheistic/bleak animes like this. Only Texhnolyze comes to mind desutbh

>>714445697
>tanime
anon, she's pale as snow
>le slop
lmao

>No lively towns nor friendly npcs
You can tell it's written by the most soulless of Japs. Other Japs are capable to include whimsical world to fight for like Zelda. It's the ones that are more nazi adjacent like Miyazaki who could not write a damn thing.

>>714445430
Howards works have the good guys winning, and the bad guys get their comeuppance most of the time. Very rarely does a good character doing things for good reasons lose.

>>714445986
I haven't watched anime in the past 15 years or so but I remember shit like school days that was just meant to piss you off

I feel like WW2 mind broke the Japanese and now they're incapable of writing stories with any hope in them becasue America didn't let them genocide the Chinese or something.

Is the Elder Scrolls the best game series for the Tolkien feel?

>>714446108
That's just like Dark Souls (player is the only hope for the rotten world, aka the good guy).

>>714446335
I like lord of the rings online

>>714446301
Their stories are more hopeful and less nihilistic than Amerishart ones, Miyazaki is just a morally bankrupt freak who let Jewish fiction psyop him as a young Jap.

>>714446335
Going out and fighting for the good, true and beautiful in your day to day life in a world that is growing ever darker is the best game for a Tolkien feel.

>>714446351
That's not true. You're still a cuck in a doomed world. Since world building and lore are a joke in these it doesn't matter anyway and your money is stolen from a shallow facist kill simulator.

>>714446502
Overplaying your hand here

>>714446423
Some American RPGs have good vs evil and still mog his nihilistic trash.

>>714446423
Japs are Jewish by heart.

>>714446423
I disagree. But maybe it's just that I haven't seen too much Japanese media. DMC is really the only other piece of Japanese media I consume and it's quite hopeful and positive, if not a little cliche.

>>714445337
Dark fantasy settings are literal copy-paste of one another.

>>714446687
the jew fears the samurai

>>714446761
Both are genocidal freaks. WW2 and the recent Palestinian wars tells you everything.

If your game isn't good vs evil then it's a shit game.

Lots of American games are bleak but rarely are they hopeless. They've kinda got a rage against the dying of the light vibe going. Half life comes to mind. The world is irreversibly fucked, but there is still a slim hope for humanity and you have to fight for that.

>>714398408 (OP)
Then why do your gay WRPGs like Skyrim, Dragon Age or BG3 feel so empty, cynical and joyless, but Fromsoft's games fill me with a a longing for something sublime that transcends reality?

World of Warcraft>>>>soulsless killing simulators

>>714446998
That's more a function of them just being shit games. You have to play older games.

>>714446351
Also not really. They're really totally unrelated from my understanding. In Lovecrafts works everything is basically normal, and fine. The evil forces tend to be thwarted, or so alien that the planet, or the literal forces of reality are inhospitable to them.

>>714446998
Because you're a Jewish sleeper cell ready to kill innocent lives whem prompted. Get your head checked.

The Silmarillion is without exaggeration more bleak than any Fromsoft game. Dumping tentacles, vines and deformed tumor-ridden creatures all over the game world is a relatively heavy-handed and inarticulate way to depict dark fantasy. The original Dark Souls really is the only good one, the subsequent games feel like progressively more farcial parodies of themselves.

>>714402992
Tensei Colosseum

>>714446998
Fromsoft games are soulless, empty, and devoid of reason or joy. Not that I enjoy modern RPG trash but at least those had a purpose to save the world.

>>714398408 (OP)
Dark Fantasy doesn't suck, Hidetaka Miyazaki sucks and has no imagination beyond making Demon's Souls but worse over and over again.

>>714447253
None of them are good. They all parrot King's Field which is a shit game of itself.

These games are mindless kill simulators. Perfect for training goy cattle for future wars for Isreal just like Call of Duty.

>>714447103
I don't think Dark Souls is about fighting evil at all. Your enemies are time and the decay that comes with it. Thankfully, decay is fragile and thus easy to crush. And with that something new can begin.
I genuinely find it quite optimisitc.

>>714398408 (OP)
Nothing wrong with bleak dark fantasy, the problem is that Miyazaki literally can't write anything fucking else.

>>714447715 me
Also I brought up Lovecraft mostly because of his atheism.

>>714447524
You haven't played them.

PS: Watching youtube videos is no a substitute for playing games.

>>714399016
Not gonna lie, I fucking despise Ansbach. I always end up hating characters that From clearly wants me to like, it just often ends up being NPCs like this who senselessly praise you for no organic reason.

>yeah, you killed my lord who I was so devoted to I was prepared to murder Miquella for making him lose focus on his murder cult, but I don't care, because you're AWESOME
>yes, my sole defining trait is loving Mohg and being devoted to him after his death but actually gods SUCK and mankind RULES

I really hate this kind of shit.

i like this games' plot a lot

>>714447803
There are no charming characters in these games. They're all expendable husks devoid of personality which makes it a perfect kill sim for future school shooters.

>>714447780
Yes I have and the game does a shit job at telling you who's good or evil.

Emulate and play Fable instead.

>>714447803
I don't think he even knows you killed Mohg. His main concern after the charm breaks is saving his master's body from further desecration.
Also Mohg is in conflict with the Gods at large, no?

>>714448190
i'm thankful for Lady Grey kickstarting my puberty but
>you turn into a geriatric by the end while everyone else is still the same
what the fuck were they thinking

>>714444141
Ranni is a strong contender for the most evil demigod in the game. She is an open murderer, she doesn't give a single shit about having unleashed Godwyn's undead curse upon the world, she seems to have no concern at all for whether her followers live or die.

I think Miyazaki gets off on denying players good endings, but in the case of Elden Ring he seems to enjoy denying you any method to depose of the most evil bitch in the world and instead clearly wants you to worship her.

>>714398408 (OP)
Holy speedreading batman!
>Everything's DEAD
Literally nothing is dead until you kill it for good, hell, even the ones that live in death
>Everything's RUINED
Far from it, do the dung eater ed if you want this
>Akshually, this good character is BAD
No one is portrayed as being good and if you fell for the proselytizing of any faction that's on your koolaid brain
>Expectations subverted!
Literally the only expectation subverted the entire game was Mogh being a pedo, and that was only before the DLC release
>No friends or romance, you only kill things
If you didn't befriend and understand Alexander you're either a troon or a woman. You're also supposed to have friends IRL and play online with them cunt.
>All female characters die
Only if you let/kill them
>Constantly manipulated
That says more about your cult-recruited ass than about the game, I was letting the think they were manipulating me so I could further my own agenda
>What's the point of becoming the "lord" of a bunch of ruined castles filled with zombies when everyone is dead and everything sucks?
Building your own vision of the ideal society like a MAN instead of just wanting everything to come out of the box ready, sanitized and working, like a woman or a turd worlder.

Your wrong and your gay
Burzum sucks
Lord of the Rings sucks
J.r.r. Tolkien sucks
Varg is a faggot and his game sucks
And his guitar skills are sub-par.

>>714411003
>Morgott would listen to Maliketh.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, i can picture it in his voice:
>Foul beast, thy greed hath bested thee
>Begone, no one shall sully the golden order, only death becomes thee

>>714448330
Mohg explicitly worships an outer god, and his cult is obsessed with murdering tarnished.

If I wanted some good fantasy then I'll avoid these games like a plague.

>>714448085
LOL So you're just a retard with a child like mind.

>>714447840
The plot of Hollow Knight is just a shallow retelling of the plot of DS2.

>>714448405
Ranni killed to avoid the horrible fate of becoming an instrument of a greater power. She didn't kill for no reason or for her own satisfaction. I suspect Fromsoft haters are philosophically and morally impoverished people.

>>714448556
>gets fucking rocked (literally) by dog
you're forgetting Morgott is a midgame boss
with his spastic moveset the way it is he would be harder than Malenia as a final boss

>>714448573
Well, the purpose of this wasn't doing random evil but forming his own dynasty. Now that that's over there is not much point. Best Ansbach can do is ensure his master's peaceful rest.
Not to mention he knows he couldn't kill Radahn and Miquella without you.

>>714448808
>Ranni killed to avoid the horrible fate of becoming an instrument of a greater power. She didn't kill for no reason or for her own satisfaction.
Miquella shed his flesh and his great rune without killing anyone. So maybe she was retarded and thought she had to commit a murder she feels no remorse over and start an undeath plague she feels no remorse over, or maybe she's just an evil bitch.

Aren't you Tolkein trannies the same ones who cry over diversity or changes in their text from the movies? Why try to change a series that wasn't catered to your senses at all? Just like those DEI suits who cry muh diversity but with muh good vs evil.

>>714448847
Morgott dunks daily on all sorts of tarnished strats, I'd be surprised if he can't dunk on dog by staying out of range and spamming magical knives.
>>714449090
>So maybe she was retarded
She IS a reddit-tier science! zealot.
>>714449182
They were born too late to discuss the books and every other FOMO media is plagued with "modern audience", so they're trying to hijack what they dislike instead. Tolkienfags are sad.

>>714398408 (OP)
doesnt matter fight some more bullshit bosses that provide absolutely no fun factor while they slide around and beat the shit out of you until you beat it

do it again, buy more slop, buy the dlc buy elden ring 2, you're not a casual are you? good, buy the collectors edition which unlocks the harder mode, then buy the 2nd dlc pack, keep going, you're good at games arent you? sure its not fun to play against but its hard and you're not a bitch right?

>>714399016
>A careful observer knew Miquella is shifty before DLC
That's the problem. It was so obvious people were kind of hoping they wouldn't do it. People were already calling him Griffith before the DLC was even announced. And as it turns out, yeah he's just a pussified version of Griffith

>>714449295
>They were born too late to discuss the books

Hardly stops you freaks from obsessing about how much you despise them unprompted every waking moment. If Elden Ring were so great surely you'd discuss that instead?

>>714449370
The majority was surprised. But majority is also stupid so it checks out
I haven't read Berserk so I can't comment on your judgement.

>>714449536
>But majority is also stupid so it checks out
The average fanfiction is better written than the Elden Ring DLC.

>>714398408 (OP)
that's s is why fumito ueda is the king of fantasy. it's a mix of high and dark fantasy and always mystical, never grimdark.

>>714449651
You are wrong.

>>714449732
elden dingaling shitstain on the turd tree sucks

>>714449732
You are a soulless husk.

>>714449391
>comes to a thread without a single mention of tolkien
>mentions tolkien
>gets shat on by people discussing what the thread was about
Tolkienfags won't leave us alone, we're hardly the ones obssessed here.

>>714449818
elden dingaling won
>>714449820
>chud incel pissbabyhuman being decent moral grassgrassgrass human husk being
Don't care.

>>714449824
>You started it!

Fag.

This is why WRPGs would always be better than Japslop. Even the recent WoW is better written than anything Miyazaki has done in his entire career.

>>714450087
>Even the recent WoW is better written than anything Miyazaki has done in his entire career.

Not sure about WoW but I generally agree. People act like there's deep lore behind the souls games, but it's quite obvious there isn't. It's just a bunch of random crap strewn together.

>>714449536
Anyone with an interest in lore or even so much as watched a shitty Berserk adaption knew what was up. Everyone was surprised by how gross he is though

>>714450013
Nigger you said we were "obsessing about how much you despise them unprompted every waking moment."
You said umprompted, Tolkien was a philologist, he would be disappointed on your grasp of the meanings of the words of your language.

>>714450236
>Anyone with an interest in lore or even so much as watched a shitty Berserk adaption knew what was up
Ranni is closer to Griffith than Miquella is though.

>>714450249
I'm not the guy you were talking to. I was just fucking with you. I've never even read the Lord of The Rings.

>>714450329
Joke's on you, I've never played a from game either.

>>714449824
You mean the way Fromshitters come to threads that even so much as make passing mention of LOTR to throw a fucking fit? Like that?

>>714450437
Are those threads in the room with us?

>>714450485
They're in the archive.
Here are Miyazaki's children.
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/687977337/#687979831

>>714450236
There is a legion of people here and twitter who did these things and didn't see it coming anyway. Hence seething and coping.
>>714450318
Also this. Miquella is driven by very misguided love and being genuinely too sensitive, I don't think this applies to Griffith (basing this on my second hand berserk knowledge).

>>714421789
>fix the elden ring
>they still attack you

>>714450621
>in the archive
So not in the room with us. Also:
>dude asks which game looks like LotR
>someone answers with ER, a game in which GRRM lifted a lot from LotR
>OBSSESSED
I'm not even going to pretend you have an argument.

>>714450810
>a game in which GRRM lifted a lot from LotR

So which is it? Is LOTR absolute dogshit that tasteful masters of fantasy like GRRM and Miyazaki have rightfully disparaged or is it some indispensable part of the design of ER? Fromfags can't have it both ways.

>>714398726
Are the naive deus vult white supremacist zoomers of modern times in the room with us now?

>>714450621
I bet you were trolling them before as evident in those 2019-2022 archive posts and got figured out so they bit back and you're crying like sissy. It happens to alot of overly attached schizos here.

>>714450923
every zoomer thats not lgbtq or tiktok dancing is just that

>>714449824
If you follow the replychain you will see that it was a FromSoftware fan attacking Tolkien in the first place, hence why the flamewar started. Also, the psychopaths above saying they want more options to kill more characters and calling everyone they disagree with a tranny.

>>714450916
>So which is it?
>Is LOTR absolute dogshit that tasteful masters of fantasy like GRRM and Miyazaki have rightfully disparaged or is it some indispensable part of the design of ER?
Neither. LotR is a nice book that serves as a backdrop for a better game called Elden Ring, because games are better than books. Maybe it LotR was a game based on a book called Elden Ring then it might be better, because games are better than books. Books are passive activities, you read them and, at most, hope you understood the author. Games are active activities, you engage them and play them, you have a grasp and domain over the game's world, you change it and move it, and the director can only hope he's understood by you before you curbstomp his bosses.

>>714451090
first post mentioning LotR was this >>714399453
complaining that ER isn't like LotR (it is).

>>714451090
tolkringe cry if they see any character thats not paler than an albino norwegian

>>714451139
ah yes Big Rigs is much better than Moby Dick

>>714451090
TLOTR schizo started back before ER announced and tries to frame himself as the victim in all this when it's his doing this whole time. Also might be a 1v1 shipost battle between someone who latched onto the schizo to make him his personal punchinbag by samefagging his threads.

>>714451139
>bait or mentally retarded, call it

>>714451290
Yes, Igon is a way better Ahab than Ahab.

>>714451196
It isn't.

>>714451425
Which one then?

>>714445049
But isn't the Fate of the Golden Order determined by some jobber named Metyr who makes the interpretation himself? I don't remember, it's been a while.

>>714451462
ER is nothing like LOTR. Your own Fromfag peers would condemn you for implying it.

>>714451196
LoTR is not the only Heroic fantasy book, though. And shorty after that post Fromfags started to attack Tolkien, which mean their mask went off. And now they have this weird dichotomy where they want both to attack it and say it was used as inspiration.

What is the golden order?

>>714451524
>>714451578
Cope, seethe, dilate and move goalposts all you want. Nigger said "umprompted", it was prompted.

>>714402984
Of course you're a tendie manchild.

>>714451595
Christianity, frenzy flame is judaism, live in death is buddhism, Ranni is what passes for science on youtube.

>>714451578
I don't hate Tolkein. I just hate faggots who think every other work should be a copy of it.

>>714451595
The Holy bibble

>>714451791
There are a far greater number of Dark Souls copy-cats that there are of Tolkien.

>>714451791
>who think every other work should be a copy of it.
there are literally 0 hairy footed midgets but everything has le ebin lanky elf and mining gnomes, why is this?

>>714450643
>Everyone was surprised by how gross he is though
I'd bet money if Miquella was just evil, at least half the complaints would disappear. Some people simply don't like the narrative direction. Wishing Miquella was the good boy he portrayed himself as is a symptom of this. The Godwyn thing as well

>>714452156
Nta but I don't think every other game should copy DS either. They often suck at it and it's better left to from. I think the only one marginally soulslike that I liked was FF:SoP.
>>714452194
Turns out, people don't love the irish as much as tolkien did... i joke, dnd and warhammer fantasy both have halflings, and link isn't tall in half the zelda games so he's closer to a hobbit than an elf.

I think Miyazaki, GRRM and Tolkien are all worth discussing so it's sad this thread is just trolls/schizos trying to shit on each other.
Oh well, I did my part.

>>714452346
I'm willing o discuss Tolkien and Miyazaki in a civil manner if you want to, we can maybe drown the shitposts in actual discussion, but I haven't read lotr. Are the gods in lotr close to outer gods in ER? I know Gandalf is more like an angel sent by the than a human wizard, what compares to him in souls lore?

>>714452346
....Why does miyazaki keep adding giant women in all the soulslikes?

>>714452501
You wouldn't get it.

>>714452520
Because he's awesome!

>>714452564
I wouldn't get it or you're unable to explain?

>>714452501
I am not sure there is a direct analogue in any of his games... maybe some of the level up girls. Or the primordial serpents.

>>714452156
>Dark Souls copy cats
Who cares. Tolkien fantasy is fine on itself but having a fit over a niche that doesn't appeal to you and wanting to change it to something else is gay.
>>714452501
Just don't engage with From threads. Use another more fitting game as your vessel to talk about Tolkien.

>>714452501
There are no "Gods" in Tolkien, there's Eru, and then there's the Powers. They certainly are nothing like Dark Souls/Elden Ring gods which are just fedora tipping idea of a god in comparison, very paganistic. Rather Tolkien's Powers are very real and very intimidate with the creation of the world and its creatures. And go as far as to cry when ill comes to them, or to punish them if they have behaved wrongly. You can see the Christian influence on it. Would be delicious to see arrogants japs humbled by it but that's just a personal grievance.

>>714452804
>Use another more fitting game
Happy go lucky pixie BS? Like Kirby? Kek, there's your tolkienesque fantasy setting lotroons!

>>714451595
it's some kind of abstract imposition of natural law overlaying the world that was somehow seeded by the elden beast's collision. The elden ring is some kind of manifestation and representation of it that can be tampered with to alter reality i.e. removing destined death
I think theyre right to keep it vague. I can't fathom what purpose the greater will has for seeding worlds and because metyr was built wrong as a joke, the world hasn't actually been following their designs anyway. it's unclear if the hijacking by gods stuff goldmask was mad about would be possible if metyr worked correctly.

>>714452804
Nobody wants to change FromSoft crap bro, but they're not above criticism either. That said, it *could* be interesting if something strange happened like FromSoft being licensed a game for LoTR. I doubt japs have the humility to accept it though.

>>714452913
So like Zelda or Final Fantasy? Why don't you fuck off to those threads instead? Fromsoft has nothing like that.

>>714452751
>maybe some of the level up girls.
So he's more like the implement through which the divine will manifests homeopatically in a world otherwise so vulnerable to any of its movements?
>>714452804
Bro, I haven't even read Tolkien, I just find it intersteing to understand parallels between the game I like and other media.
>>714452913
I get that they are actual deistic forces and ER's outer gods are just gnostic aliens humans think these ideals manifested as (their powers helping each ideal's zealots help this impression to spread). I'm asking more in the sense of which tolkien God would be closer in ideals to which er outer god, despite outer gods not being capital G Gods like tolkien's.

>>714453147
You still don't get it.

>>714453124
That anon asked and I replied, crybaby.

>>714453218
Just say you don't want to talk bro, no need to act like an edgy anime character.

>>714453252
We need more good faith Zelda and Final Fantasy threads. I'm tired of soulsslop shitposting clogging /v/ up with spam.

Tolkien fags don't like Tolkien's books, they just like to complain everything else isn't Tolkien.

>>714453462
>bumping soulsslop thread instead of making a good faith Zelda or Final Fantasy thread

>>714453505
every game needs a tom bombadill like thing, hour long unskippable cutscenes at random of some pixie singing poetry and dancing

>>714430705
Nice, you got me. Lmfao

>>714453147
Like I said, they're not very similar at all. If anything I would say Elden Ring gods are more similar to elements the Enemy would create in LoTR. They however have certain domains, like Yavanna being the shaper of Nature or Ulmo residing in the Sea. They however are not abstract representations of these concepts; they're real beings and can manifest both in flesh and in their power to the rational races in Middle-earth. This is a big difference with Jap fantasy (and some other western writers too), in which they inject these weird animistic concepts which are quite nonsensical and nihilistic, which are more like abstract concepts with no will except for meaningless fluff.

>>714398408 (OP)
>"lord" of a bunch of ruined castles filled with zombies when everyone is dead and everything sucks?
To fix the world so its not filled with zombies and ruined castles

DS1 was very Greek, which I loved. Lightning wielding sky father defeats the tita- ekhm dragons, and estabilishes new dynasty. Based.
I assume Greek gods are still the main inspiration for gods in ER.

>>714453823
sorry, bro, you missed the cataclysm by like two minutes. here's your bucket and mop–clean it up!

>>714442681
i appreciate the you understood what i meant.

>>714450923
Yes? we're on /v/ you fucking retard

>>714398550
Thread should have ended here.

>>714398408 (OP)
You could apply most of those bullet points to this thread

>>714453672
Tingle
>>714453786
>they're real beings and can manifest both in flesh and in their power to the rational races in Middle-earth.
This looks a lot like JRPG to me though. ER lacks a platonic ideal place, would Eru be (in) that?

>>714453786
Zelda does this and have you ever heard of Shintoism?

>>714440530
Nobody complains about Lord Dunsany because there aren’t any schizophrenic retards bringing him up in every thread. Again, kill yourself you retarded tradlarper.

>>714440530
Also, I know you haven’t actually read Lord Dunsany because if you had, you’d be having a melty over how his work is “paganist and nihilistic” because you are too retarded and arrogant to even attempt to understand anything which is not obviously analogous to Christianity.

>>714455190
Not really. 99% of JRPGs are just poorly made rehashes of gnostic thought. Thus their gods are inanimate objects or just the big baddie turning into a demiurge-like figure. Elden Ring is faulty of this too handing behind their vagueness and grimdark there's this "kill god to become god bro" stuff. Is a pantheistic approach.
>ER lacks a platonic ideal place, would Eru be (in) that?
If anything, ER is more platonic and Middle-earth is Aristotelian/Thomist. Eru willingly created the Powers and the world. But He gave free-will to all creatures, ER is the opposite and the Golden Order/Greater Will forces everyone to do things. Which is kind sad and pathetic when you think about it. Like I said, rehashed Gnosticism.

>>714456001
Or maybe because Dunsany wasn't pushing any kind of narrative with Gods of Pegana like Miyazaki clumsily tries to make about European civilization / whites / Christianity constantly, you sniveling kike. Dunsany was also infinitely more talented a creative force than a vindictive parasite like Miyazaki is.

>>714398408 (OP)
>>No friends or romance, you only kill things
Anri from DS3 and Ranni? granted there should have been more romance options like Melina, Millicent, and Sellen.
There's a good number of NPCs that aren't overtly hostile and are friendly enough. And sometimes rarely they get a decent ending.
It's just overshadowed by the 90% who end up insane, dead, or both.

>>714398408 (OP)
Everything in your post is what this game did right
What sucks about it is that it's less fun than removing your own teeth with a set of nail clippers

Why does the bell bearing hunter hate merchants so much?

>>714457231
But enough about yourself.

>>714456235
Are you forgetting the story he wrote where Satan witnesses the invention of the steam engine? Anyway, I presume your actual problem now is that the Dark Souls games contain obvious Nietzche references, and so portray religion institutions negatively. I don’t get why you didn’t just say that. Or, if I’m misinterpreting your problem with them, I wish you’d just state it explicitly.

In the case of Elden Ring in particular capital G God is explicitly real in that setting, his will is just misinterpreted, so it’s really more Protestant than anything. The real point of the setting in Elden Ring is that humans can never create a perfect system, because anything we create will inherit our flaws. So in the good ending, you take divine power away from humanity to prevent them from altering the rules of reality to artificially extend any more failed societies. Miquella also tries to overcome this by essentially erasing everyone’s will and ambition. That’s the only thing in the game that can really be said to be anti-Christian, since Christians believe we should submit our will to god, and Miquella’s similar beliefs are portrayed as evil. However even then, Miquella isn’t telling or guiding people to do this, he is forcing them to by taking away their capacity to choose, making the whole thing meaningless. That doesn’t seem very anti-Christian, considering that allowance for free will is the most common response to the problem of evil (God allowed Adam and Eve to choose sin because he wanted to give them the capacity to choose).

>>714398408 (OP)
The fact that every indie faggot studio keeps trying to chase this fucking shit (and chase it, and chase it, and chase it into the fucking dirt) has singlehandedly done more to finally put me off indie games than anything else, especially all the fucking "soulslike dark fantasy" metroidvanias. Fuck this garbage.

Pic related. You'd think it would have everything going for it for people who like IGAvanias, but it's such a fucking retarded slog I got to the Graveyard Forest Whateverthefuck, realized it looked like every other area in the game (has like one palette, 16 colors, 12 of which are greyscale) and dropped it.

>>714458959
Is this the game where the main character is constantly turned back for some reason?

>>714458026
That makes no sense in the given context retard

>>714458959
Miyazaki is 'chasing it' harder than any of them.

>>714456850
>Ranni?
An explicitly evil, murderous bitch, who you are forbidden from killing because Miyazaki doesn't want to let you trespass against his doll fetish.

Not really a romance option, because there are no options.

>>714456163
>Golden Order/Greater Will
These are two very different things
> forces everyone to do things
Only the Golden Order does. The Fingers force people to do things in the name of the GW but they haven't actually heard its word since forever.

>>714454428
The gods are also an absolute man and woman whores.

>>714398408 (OP)
I've been playing the dlc for the first time recently. Holy shit is so goddamn kino and lvdo it's unreal. Each 3 hour chunk I've taken from it has been glorious.

>>714446753
Yeah because fantasy settings are so different from each other

>>714402984
That's some impressive bait. Very alluring

>>714398408 (OP)
cos you have power to make it not suck, nigger.

>>714408080
You don't know what Misery Porn is. What's up with the mindbroken autists currently huh?

>>714448645
>shallow retelling of the plot of DS2.
where in DS2 does dropkicking 999 kids into the void come in
or nashandra getting cucked by the dear freja
or the soul sanctum trying to brainpower their way out of the curse

>>714453030
The mistake is thinking The Golden Order=The Greater Will. When it really was just what Marika needed at the time, and as the the turtle says, is incredibly moldable. It's why the symbology shifts, the Erdtree becoming a more abstract concept until it's not even in the symbols at all. Once magic was considered outside of the domain, that changed Radagon married Renalla. It is just the domain of Marika, the Greater Will never cared who had the Elden Ring if it is even paying attention. Once the Dragons held it, so did the Hornsent, and then Marika. The Nox might have as well maybe, hard to say.

>>714425067
Y'know I think the Soulsborne games are weirdly funny despite their bleakness. There's so much weird shit in them. Without taking into account the multiplayer shennanigans

>>714437081
You niggers are incredible. Bitch and moan about nothing, find issues were none exist. I legit wonder wonder sometimes how you get out of bed in the morning.

>>714462464
>currently

>>714398408 (OP)
>No friends or romance, you only kill things
>All female characters die
So the dlc is good then huh.

>>714398408 (OP)
>Everything's DEAD
Dark Fantasy doesn't mean everyone is dead
>Everything's RUINED
Dark Fantasy doesn't mean everything is ruined
>Akshually, this good character is BAD
Dark Fantasy doesn't mean that the good and righteous characters are evil
>Expectations subverted
Dark Fantasy doesn't mean you have to subvert expectations or abuse shock value
>No friends or romance, you only kill things
Dark Fantasy doesn't mean the people within don't have friends or love. And Dark Fantasy doesn't mean that everyone is a brainless enemy for you to fight in games
>All female characters die
Dark Fantasy doesn't mean all of the female characters are going to die
>Constantly manipulated
Dark Fantasy doesn't mean the characters found within it are going to be constantly manipulated by forces outside of their control

In conclusion, you don't know what Dark Fantasy is.

>>714399757
>medieval england
One of the things that I always hated about a lot of fantasy is that it doesn't even do that. It's not medieval england, it's a theme park of medieval European culture.
Where's the vassal/feudal system?
Where is the obligation a serf has to his lord AND vice versa?
Where is the growing middle class expanding in influence (depending on the time period of course)?
Where is advances in metallurgy and warfare that changes the name of the game of war?
Where is the ecclesiastical politics? Where is my ecclesiastical prince?
Where is the invasions/raids from a truly alien/horrific foe? This aspect some fantasy do well, but I always feel that the bad guy is too familiar. That he is just another bad guy, while in real life the opponent can truly be terrifying, like the Hungarian invasions of Europe, or the Normandy invasion?
Where is invading cultures mixing in with the local culture? Roman Britan becoming Anglo-Saxon Britian for example?
Where is my long-gone empire that unified everyone and created a culture, EXCEPT those fringe/outsider groups?
Where is my succession crisis, causing civil wars over a kingdom because the inbred monarch got cancer and died at 25?
WHERE IS MY DISEASE? WHERE IS MY CROP FAILURE? Where is God ruining the machinations of mice and men, uprooting kingdoms?
Where is my architecture that was created/designed by dozens of cultures?

Nah fuck all that, just imagine everyone in plate armor that's heavy to move in, everyone using swords because they can pierce armor, and humans can use magic like no tomorrow. That's fantasy.
No sieges too. You know, one of the most iconic icons of the period, not doing it's main role of repealing invaders in terms of land domination and protecting local populations, that grew from Roman fort-building tradition? Nope, we just get stone bricks with tons of weakpoints.

>>714465201
A Song of Ice and Fire has all of that except the advances in metallurgy and warfare

>>714465401
Huh interesting, I'll give it a read then. I didn't want to read it because I don't like reading something that isn't finish, but if he actually addressed my concerns (especially disease) that would be cool.

>>714450923
I mean... Look around?

>>714398408 (OP)
I seem to recall getting married at the end of this game.

>>714465528
You're gonna love it, anon.
Warfare in the series is built around sieges, skirmishes, and raids.
The feudal obligations of a lord lead to one nobleman making a military blunder to defend his people once the war starts.
Faith takes a backseat early on, but as the nobles become more heretical and cruel, they slowly start to gain more and power until a new faction (the Faith militant) emerges.
The big war that starts in the books is based around succession and who has the strongest claim to the throne.
Even the death of a major character comes down to their battle wounds, which they arrogantly left untreated, and as a result, they became sickly, weak, and then the wound eventually became infected and they died.
Armor actually works. There are two instances that I can think of where swords bounce off of plate armor. Here's a video clip of one of the scenes
https://youtu.be/IwUALmpmPOw?t=24
It's not a spoiler because the character who dies here is a literal nameless fodder character who only exists to show that armor actually matters in this setting.
In terms of architecture, there's definitely a dark ages feel to the series. In the sense that a lot of knowledge has been lost on how to build the impressive castles and walls of the fallen kingdoms and empires. The current inhabitants of westeros don't know how to replicate them, so they simply live in them, and build atop of them to fit their needs. It reminds me of Europe after the Western Roman Empire fell.

>>714451595
The beginning of Eden Ring as told by me.
There's this planet, see, doing its own planet things and has its own native peoples and civilizations and whatnot, minding its own business.
And there's this god out in space. And as gods are wont to do, he starts feeling restless. Starts feeling the urge for WORSHIPERS and control and whatever other feelings and reasons gods get for wanting people to love them (insecurity?).
So this god takes notice of the aforementioned planet and says "perfect." He rips off a chunk of himself and hurls it at the planet.
When it lands, it begins to "assess." It takes note of all the rules of physics and life and whatnot of the planet. And writes them down.
Here's where it starts to get fucky.
In the process of writing it down, it learns how to control the laws of physics. It learns how to "add" and "subtract" from the rules. In essence, it creates a Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) of the Lands Between. And MANIPULATING the SOP changes reality in effect. You could turn off gravity if you wanted by adjusting the text.
This document, this SOP, is just called the "Elden Ring."
Perfect, done. So the god-chunk then seeks out a messiah, because gods need messiahs. It makes the transition period for worshippers easier when the message comes from one of their own. So the god-chunk (let's just call it the Elden Beast), scans the land for a suitable candidate, and lands on this dumb country bumpkin blonde bitch bimbo you've seen a million times here. She's like "uh-hyuck sure mister I'll be your Elden slut."
And so the Elden Beast imbues her with both the ability to read and adjust the SOP- the Elden Ring- to her whims as long as in the end her whims serve the god out in space.
So what's one of the first thing this dumbass does?
She removes death. Literally cuts/pastes out it of the document because it's"icky and makes her feel sad."
(I'm almost done, 1/2)

>>714466656
2/2
Naturally all hell breaks loose. People don't die, they just grow older and older until their bodies can't handle it (lots of old wandering nobles). The maimed, suck, and infirm suffer. But, blondy doubles down because that's what dumbasses do. They don't like feeling dumb, no one does.
She fucks one guy and then another. Has a million kids who are all named the same. Some weird mutation starts happening in people because of her actions and she can't get her arms around it. Wars break out (meaninglessly) it's just a huge mess. She tries fixing it by still pushing the space god agenda but it's all too fubar to be fixed at this point.
She of course she's like I can't handle this shit no more and takes a hammer and BREAKS the document about reality.
This pisses off a lot of people cuz what was the point then of all this shit for to just say fuck it?
They arrest blondy and put her in jail, her kids all start fighting each other for the pieces of the broken Elden Ring the world is in ruins. You come in and... make it worse?
Aaalllllll of this takes place over the course of... centuries? It's unclear.
Anyway boom I solved Elden Ring's story, vaati ain't shit

>>714467102
Oh to answer your question the Golden order is the name of the religion that worships the SOP and the space god and the blonde.

>>714398408 (OP)
dark fantasy can have alive npcs and towns but from software sucks to even make questlines without npcs dying/ teleporting after you reset game hell they cant even put gascoigne patrolling the streets in bloodborne

>>714398867
i prefer being the flame fuck this tranny infested world

>>714398408 (OP)
It's just from beeing really bad at it, they didn't bothered with the story and characters, doesn't mean that you can't make dark fantasy but good.

>DS is about finding meaning in world of entropy
>ER is about sitting on the retarded chair
Just another case of shit writing

>>714470562
more funny being the dark lord its better than the elder lord

>>714398408 (OP)
The point is you put them out of their misery so everything can be reborn OR you corrupt them even further into infinite insanity.

>>714398408 (OP)
It's just like real life...

>>714437289
guy on the right has only one life

>>714398408 (OP)
>>All female characters die
based

>>714442915
age of order is arguably the most beholden of all
ranni's ending is the true breaking of the conditioning, discounting the two endings where you just fuck everything for fun

>>714398408 (OP)
Correction
>FROMSOFTWARE's dark fantasy sucks ass

>>714416840
elden ring takes place in a fucked world but at least it's still very pretty to look at

>>714473152
is there anything about the flame of frenzy ending that suggests a rebirth will occur?

>>714462514
I don't think the hornsent ever had the ring, they built the divine tower to summon it from wherever Plassy's god left it. There's no mention of a Hornsent god besides Marika.

I just finished ER Nightreign character's storyline and damn, it sucked. I thought that they are build up for something. I didn't expected anything big, maybe something like a short dialogue, but no, you just became the next nightlord and that's the end.

>>714476779
The only player narrative Miyazaki is capable of is always some sort of Nietzschean 'will to power' shit. I will say, I desperately miss fantasy tropes like rescuing princesses, that was so much more functional and primal as motivation than this garbage where you rule a world with nothing worth ruling.

>>714398408 (OP)
>What's the point of becoming the "lord" of a bunch of ruined castles filled with zombies when everyone is dead and everything sucks?
becoming a "lord" usually means ritual suicide

>>714406512
I always get confused. Is Donna the wife, or is Roberta the wife?