It's 2025.
Is this pic no longer relevant?

>>714400035 (OP)
No. Halo has always been garbage.

>>714400035 (OP)
halo 1 is still closer to call of duty than boomer shooters

Quake would have been far more accurate

>>714400658
Cod4 maybe but not current cod

It still is. I'm in a gaming circles of 30yo+ losers americans and they can't stop fellating halo umprompted.

Halo has always been great.

>>714400035 (OP)
Is it safe to say that FPS's are currently in the most irrelevant state they've ever been in?

>>714400035 (OP)
It is, but also isn't in the sense that the series has already been ran into the ground anyway. I remember when I first played Halo and how disappointed I was in how barebones and lacking it was compared to games which had come out before it.

Yes. Doom Eternal has become the new Halo 2.

>>714400035 (OP)
it's still funny for making fun of younger millennials

>>714401058
100%, there's barely been any new AAA campaigns compared to pre-covid and we've been stuck with the same online games for the last 5 years

>>714400035 (OP)
it's still kinda relevant because many among the current crop of "oldheads" (millenials) cite playing halo as a formative experience, while the series is mostly forgotten by younger gamers.
i'm sure there are some kids out there acting like they're trve gamers because they play halo instead of fortnite.

>>714401058
There's fortnite, and uh...

My first FPS was Descent and Halo is still amazing.

>>714401602
>My first FPS was Descent
That's a 6DOF space flight sim, not an FPS.

>>714401058
Well you've got CS that's still going strong but overall yeah. Milsim or battlefield type games are slumped. Boomer shooters are pulling mediocre numbers and immersive sim shooters like stalker are FOTM at best.

>>714401420
>compared to pre-covid
Are there really retards out there who unironically measure time relative to the coof?

>>714401058
>Reduced verticality because looking up and down is too hard
>Context sensitive pickups because you can't look at things to interact with them
>Minimal weapons because no hotkeys
>All "fast" movement is canned animation because you can't make minute angular adjustments
>"Fast" movement is avoided in general because it means that players don't move in predictable arcs and can change their profile quickly, so they're harder to track
>ADS exists and it's not just on sniper rifles to reduce situational awareness
>Parries, finishers, grappling hooks and other context sensitive slop because the game needs something to feel a bit more snappy than just panning around
>Stealth sections and slow motion occasionally make an appearance so that slowly panning over enemies becomes a viable way to aim at things, this also gives the illusion of actual accuracy rather than just aim assist
Controller oriented design was the death knell of FPS, there's just not much you can do with it.

I think Halo is a pretty cool guy. eh shoots aliens and doesn't afraid of anything!

Its a dead IP. Halo 6 was the nail in the coffin, in fact it was so bad it led to layoffs and 343 trying to rebrand to halo studios

>>714401594
>FP

>>714400035 (OP)
all FPSs went gay by now. You try to explain something like the gravitational effect of a fired bullet to a forknife fan and they will explode

>>714401480
Adding to this, you can see quite a few of those Halo kids all grown up as game developers, using Halo as inspiration. Halo isn't "My First FPS" anymore, but mostly everyone's first FPS has some Halo in it.

>>714403073
fortnite has that. one year they completely removed hitscan weapons entirely, but it was unpopular.

>>714400519
You're just mad you couldn't whip out a rocket launcher whenever you wanted.

>>714400035 (OP)
Literally finished it last week again. It holds up very well, the classic scenario is still kinoesque
It's one of those not-so-much linear campagins that I can see zoometers liking it

>>714400035 (OP)
Tell me which fps isn't someone's first fps

>>714400035 (OP)
The 90s FPS players who joked about it no longer exist

>>714400035 (OP)
This was just some guy samefagging his oc meme that he felt really proud of. It never had any weight to it other than annoying people through spam.

>>714406223
some slop neo-faux-boomershooter troonscore ps1 style steam indie garbage

>>714406223
tribes

>>714400035 (OP)
Halo stopped being relevant after 3, arguably after reach. After that it's been shit after shit. Master chief is dead.

>>714401740
>Boomer shooters are pulling mediocre numbers
I mean, those are all indie games. Not every indie out there can be a surprise megahit.

>>714406853
Halo 4’s story was alright, obviously not perfect, but it showed potential. Then in 5 they doubled down on everything shitty while removing everything good about 4.

>>714400035 (OP)
Is this?

>>714408942
not comparable because goldeneye didn't casualize fundamental fps mechanics like health and holding more than two weapons

>>714408942
Nobody cares about 007. Retarded N64fags jerking it off are completely irrelevant. Halo actually influenced the industry for the worst.

>>714400035 (OP)
Shit game shit series

>>714400035 (OP)
>Always made fun of Halo
>never played it because I never owned an Xbox, grew up with PC and Playstation
>Finally play Halo 1 because the MCC was on sale
It was fine, well polished and way, way shorter than I expected
Halo 2 became my favorite of the MCC games and I dropped the series completely after playing 4 h of Halo 4, holy shit it was crap
This whole experience made me realize that shitting on halo was just nerds like me shitting on dudebros who never player doom/quake/Duke/Half Life before and became the main audience for first person shooters
I still hate that demographic, but halo was allright. the OST was pretty good too

>>714409176
Halo didn't do either of those things though. Halo has health, and regen didn't become popular until COD2. Weapon limits were a thing in Counter Strike and is the most popular fps ever.

This was my actual first FPS in case anyone is wondering

>>714411352
Halo 2 (and onward) has regenerating health, so people retroactively blame Halo 1 even though it still had normal health with health packs and only recharging shields.

>>714411352
yeah people love to pretend Halo is some cover based tactical shooter and forget CS came out two years before and killed arena shooters for good

Also, I just replayed Halo 3 on Legendary. That game is so fucking good. Too bad 343 decided to take the whole franchise out back and shoot it in the head like Old Yeller as soon as they got their grubby paws on it

I wish they would implement the co op that the gears of war games had where randoms could drop in

>>714409176
>>714409194
I don't put any stock into what compfags say thoughbeit because you shit on any attempt to add depth in any way that isn't the proscribed bhop projectile 90s boomer shooter way. Some of the 343 Halos even have more complexity than your older sibling's hand me down shooters but you write them off offhand because they don't subscribe to your autistic definition of what that's supposed to look like. Sad!

>>714411621
>*interrupts you again with gravemind or cortana screeching*

Reminder, this slow 2 weapon limit shooter is /v/'s favorite fps, but then they want to tell you Halo is baaad because it's...slow and has weapon limits? Let that make sense. Do you need anymore proof /v/ is retarded and just posers

>>714411545
>so people retroactively blame Halo 1 even though it still had normal health with health packs and only recharging shields.
Worst part is that I'm pretty sure that overhauling the health system is why Chief/Arbiter feels like a wet paper bag in Halo 2, particularly Legendary

>>714401058
There hasn't any big hit lately but indie FPS are still going strong. It's just that TPS are more popular lately (see: Marvel Rivals, Fortnite, Splatoon).

>>714412138
its certainly way lamer feeling, especially when you don't actually know how much health you have
>>714412140
Battlefront II as well, glad they aren't all the chest high cover TPS games we had for a long time

>>714412068
Wasn't FEAR three weapons?

>>714400035 (OP)
It never really was. It was just one butthurt autist spamming his OC.

It would be like thinking Barry or ACFag or some other schizo represents /v/ at large.

>>714412664
>Halo kiddies still coping even after the series is dead and buried

>>714412820
>Le do I fit in yet guiz?
No, you don't.

>>714412068
Uhm, ACKSHUALLY.... you have THREE weapon slots in FEAR, so... suck on that, Gaylo fags.

>>714412820
>arena/cod/CS fags still coping after their series is dead and buried

>>714412642
A third weapon slot you'll never use because the game has one enemy type and 1 weapon can carry you through the whole thing.

>>714412953
Counter Strike is still going strong bruh.

>>714413495
have you seen the state of CS2? If you think valve isn't gonna give that game the TF2 treatment you're in for a world of hurt

>>714413704
>have you seen the state of CS2?
I played it on launch and it was still pretty solid. I heard they added gun game and other modes since then.

>>714400035 (OP)
yeah, baby's first shooter now is fortnite

>>714401058
irrelevant no, because loads of people still play them, but quality wise it's never been more dire than now

>>714412895
Pretty sure that meme predates rage comics.

I dunno how true this is but while I'd never say that Halo was a perfect series even with the original trilogy I always got this vibe that it attracted a lot of schizophrenic consolewarfag shitflinging due to being one of the faces of exclusive games (I mean unless you really want to count the mediocre PC ports nobody really likes)

>>714414062
Halo Custom Edition was kino thoughbeit.

>>714413884
>gutted a ton of game modes that were in CSGO
>full of cheaters
>workshop full of spammed garbage
>many many things still broken and unfixed
>washed out art style
>map specific factions gutted for more skins!!!!!
>community server support at an all time low
>people getting banned on false claims
>valve didn't even bother to redo animations that looked bad in 2012
>game looks washed out
>broken animations on launch
>all the real work was done just to make skins easier to implement
yeah
>>714414062
halo absolutely attracted a ton of console war faggotry, even worse it was warring between different FPS fandoms like COD by children

>>714400035 (OP)
The library brings this game to a 4/10, it’s one of the most repetitive levels and shooting galleries ever put in a video game, absolute trash

Delta Halo... home.

You just know this image was created by a coping doomfag
t. first fps was doom

this game feels like a fever dream with all the copypasted rooms, levels and the 4 enemies it has. The mid shooting feedback and garbage shield system doesn't help it either

>>714415738
you couldn't name a game with better shooting feedback

>>714401705
FPS with extra controls imo

>>714404317
Yeah, that and those 3 ammo in the whole game.

>>714416137
Its funny how all the early fps's followed a similar game design as doom.

>>714415913
wolfenstein 3d has better gunplay than halo

>>714416649
no it doesn't

>>714416137
The need to specify further beyond just saying "FPS" to get an accurate description is why calling it by a different genre name is more apt. 6DOF games are not the same as a typical FPS, they play fundamentally differently from any FPS.

>>714416708
I might even say catacomb 3d has better gunplay than halo

>>714415738
Elite's shields light up when taking damage, ping when they run out, and visibly flicker indicating their state of health. They stagger when their shields are broken. Grunts and Jackels flinch and hitstun when taking fire, interrupting their attacks. Jackel shields change color when taking energy damage and give you feedback when they're about to pop. Their firing hand can be hit, staggering them and leaving them defenseless. Enemy behavior changes based on the flow of combat. Shell casings, blood, plasma scorching, and bullet impacts litter every encounter. It's objectively good shooting feedback and your feelings ultimately dont matter.

>>714418737
all that and yet the game feels like going through samey corridors or empty fields while shooting peas with an ugly gun

>>714418996
All you have are your feels which dont mean anything

>>714400035 (OP)
Funny how it used to be an insult back then. Most of 90s/00s FPS is just you walking down a hall.

>>714401058
considering they release hundreds of shooters every year, every company tries to make them and 80% of trailers shown at vga are fps - probably not.

>>714418996
>with an ugly gun
post a pretty gun, NOW

>Play Halo CE
>WTF ITS KINO
>Replay it
>Why do they bring you back to the fucking snow map? Why am I back on the truth & reconciliation? Why am I doing the same mindless task in the library over and over again? THIS GAME SUCKS!
did any of you anons have this experience?

>>714418737
The weapons and animations are so good. The melee and ammo counter on the AR. The plasma rifle heat indicator. Halo is so fucking good.

>>714418737
>plasma rifle and assault rifle
the choice of the intellectually superior

Is master chief collection worth the few burgers?

>>714419306

>>714415738
I genuinely despise zoomers. They're the biggest bunch of unintelligent tasteless niggers currently plaguing video games.

>>714418737
But it doesn't have hitmakers or kill confirm jingles

>>714419515
Has it been a decade since you played the halo games or have you never played them? If the answer to either is yes, then yes. $10 for 5 entire games with included mutliplayer is a great deal.

>>714419515
Some of the new graphics are pretty shit and some of the games had sound issues. If you play them in vanilla mode then it's probably worth it.
Certain rocks in Halo1 have the wrong model compared to the actual hitbox causing you to fire and hit what seems like open air. Then you switch the graphics to vanilla mode and notice that the rock is actually larger and you shot the edge of it.

>>714419849
>playing in new graphics mode
Yea there's your problem

>>714419614
he's right though. even half life 1 had better enemy variety and levels

>>714419614
? my favourite fps is way older than halo, it's just bad you and are blinded by nostalgia

>>714400035 (OP)
It was way cooler than Goldeneye, which was my actual first FPS, Halo being the second. What's with all the Halo posts lately? I used to go years without thinking about the franchise.

>>714419828
>>714419849
Sounds cool will call my bros and see if we can coop halo 2 legendary after all these years

>>714419914
Yes. That's the point of my post.

>>714400035 (OP)
what's funny is that halo CE has much more interesting and deep gameplay than "hardcore" fps games of the time where you run around and shoot braindead enemies

>>714419968
Half Life 1 cant even put more than one enemy type into a single encounter. Except for headcrabs and some squid who work independently of one another.

>>714420184
wasn't there some sort of CE remake (in UE, of course) coming soon?

>>714420549
By walking slowly around and shooting braindead enemies?

>>714421126
post you legendary playthrough

>>714419968
Halo's gameplay loop is better than Half Life's. Which is what's important when making a game. Half Life levels you remember gimmicks and set pieces. In Halo you remember a cool unscripted sequence where the enemy ai behaved a certain way, you used that vehicle or weapon, and you did this cool thing.

>>714421197
>braindead enemies but sponges
why would anyone who likes videogames do that?

>>714421197
Are you implying that legendary is difficult? You get practically infinite ammo for the best gun in the game.

>>714418737
>all those enemies
>barely take any damage
What a shit game truly babbus first bibeo game.

>>714416741
The class "FPS" is a collection whose members are classified by a rule. That rule in this case is first person perspective, and shooting.
Descent abides by the rule of the class so it is an accurate classification. It may not be considered a "normal" FPS, or be the most descriptive term to use when describing the game, but its still accurate.

>>714400035 (OP)
reddit harambe diapers

>>714400519
fpbp

>>714421287
It's really not. Halo is a cover shooter, you die very quickly because enemies deal way more damage than you and you can't reasonably outrun their shots because the AI can lead. You spend the entire game using exactly 2 weapons because the game becomes 100x harder if you ever try to stray from plasma into headshot.

>>714400035 (OP)
I fucking made this pic in IT class 20 years ago.

>>714421609
its called good game design instead of raping the player with hitscan chaingunners like pc shooters

>>714421609
you're free to crank the difficulty up to legendary if you want more challenge.

>>714400035 (OP)
It’s never been relevant to me. It’s just salty Quakefags mad that a shooter was liked by console players. I played Halo CE on PC back in the day and loved it.

>>714421765
Hitscan is the ultimate casual filter.

>>714400519
fpbp

>>714419308
yeah i also did this. Played through it once on my own had a blast until the Maw and quit. Played through it again with a friend eve and felt exactly the same as you did
>>714421609
yeah because mowing down hordes with a super shotgun in one shot is 10x more hardcore
>>714421680
>Halo is a cover shooter
this myth needs to die, the enemies are literally programmed to back off when you're low health allowing you to push forward. Its only a cover shooter because (You) play it like one

>>714400035 (OP)
no, its never been. The actual reason people got upset with halo was the same reason people got upset with half life. or quake. or doom.

>>714400035 (OP)
It was never relevant except for Amerifats. My first fps was Star Wars battlefront 2

>>714401058
yep, taken over by third person shooters
almost no new interest in any AAA franchises that aren't a sequel or a remake

>>714421781
naw it was quake fans salty that their favorite kind of shooter was wholly replaced by a game with a 2 weapon limit, regenerating health and movement so slow the entire game plays like you're underwater.

Goldeneye was always babby's first FPS. OP's image is made by a seething nintentroon

>>714421879
>the enemies are literally programmed to back off when you're low health allowing you to push forward
No they're not. And why would you ever push forward when a couple stray shots can kill you? You're so fragile in Halo that there's no reason to ever do anything but take potshots.
Please, feel free showing me how you play Halo 1 or 2 on Legendary while running out in the open.

>>714420798
did we play the same game? there's entire levels where the military grunts fight the aliens and you have to pick both of them off as they're goin at each other's throats
i guess CE kinda did that with the flood but it was lame and gay because the flood is lame and gay

>>714422062
He's never played Half-Life.

>>714421961
What an original and groundbreaking take.

>>714400035 (OP)
You can tell that the guy who made this image was severely butthurt, lmao

>>714400035 (OP)
console fps are even more babified now because instead of aim assist they have auto aim

>>714422131
Do points become invalid because more than one person had them? Or is it because they're old points that were never addressed?

Like Sonic, I remain convinced that FPS was never a good genre and is propped up solely by autistic dudes desperately trying to stim themselves up 24/7 with as much coked up gameplay as possible

>>714400035 (OP)
/v/‘s opinion has literally never been relevant

>>714422032
>And why would you ever push forward when a couple stray shots can kill you?
To kill them first, obviously. They can't kill you if they're dead.

>>714422340
You can't kill them when you get completely melted in half a second.

>>714422209
Do you always ask stupid questions?

This was always a retard talking point. my uncle was almost 40 when this game came out and he played the PC version a lot. I have no idea what FPS games people think were better at the time. I imagine it being something like unreal tournament or quake 3 or one of the oldest versions of counterstrike. Those were all cool games but even those are all different enough compared to one another that having another game that does its own thing should be no problem. halo would have been boring if it played like a reskinned version of those games. it would have just been something like shock mobile armored division or something which is a neat game but appeals to like 0.1% of people.

>>714422416
That's never happened. But thanks for confirming to me that you have no argument by avoiding my post.

>>714422457
Shogo mobile armored division***

>>714422498
>bro is arguing with himself

>>714416649
responding to that with wolfenstein 3d is basically a concession. sprites with 5 total frames in their animation isn't feedback lmao

>>714422409
So I can kill them.

>>714422131
>man participating in the Halo was baby's first shooter discourse in the year 2025 looking for new takes
seems pretty stupid to me

>>714422032
>You're so fragile in Halo that there's no reason to ever do anything but take potshots
what difficulty are you playing on bro?
>Legendary
oh ffs this is like arguing about Doom playing poorly because you played on nightmare. Play on Heroic the literal intended difficulty instead of the meme one every praddles on about
Hell watch this guy run past enemies on the pillar of autumn and rarely die. Where is this supposed fragility?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0Ey2PcMKrM
>>714421961
you can attribute that to Counter-Strike, or maybe the fact that players didn't like playing arena shooters which had such a steep learning curve
Arena fags are the biggest whiners, you can still play quake people and regularly too

>>714422670
Not when you're already loading the last checkpoint.

>>714416741
>play fundamentally different
>if you just replace jump with go up and duck with go down its an entirely different genre
have you ever played descent? it doesn't play very differently from doom or quake. it even has 'trichording' which just feels like straferunning in doom. the controls feel like an fps. you don't have to play it with a joystick. in fact, its best played like quake, with wasd and a mouse

>>714422696
>Play on Heroic the literal intended difficulty
You've outed yourself as a 3babby.
>bro look at this speedrun where you break out of bounds at every chance, that means you don't die quickly!

>>714422032
Unfortunately this is because the retards who remastered the game changed the tick rate which speeds up the game logic. It makes projectile speed, enemy actions, and aggression increase.
The plasma rifle bolts were designed in halo ce so that you could just barely strafe them. Can't really do that anymore in mcc.

In halo 2 the projectile speed multiplies with difficulty which makes it probably the least balanced of the original 3

>>714422696
>you can attribute that to Counter-Strike, or maybe the fact that players didn't like playing arena shooters which had such a steep learning curve
yeah that's true but that's the fate of most skill based genres nowadays innit, casualization abound for everyone. Shooterfags were just ahead of the curve and get called whiners for it

>>714422747
Why would i be loading the last checkpoint if they're all dead.

>>714422276

>>714422938
It's like that in the original games, too. It's worse in MCC, but a strong breeze can still cause you to explode in Halo 2.

>>714421660
This is on the tier of people who say "Mario is an RPG because it's a GAME where you PLAY the ROLE of Mario!" If you're only going to define FPS games by their perspective and shooting, you're going to start calling jet fighter games FPS, which is just a silly thing to do.

>>714401058
every genre is currently in the most irrelevant state they've ever been in, and yet video games have never made more money than right now
i gotta believe it's all thirdies propping this shit industry up

>>714422946
>casualization abound for everyone
I wouldn't even argue that CS or CE was really that "casual"
CS certainly isn't with the comp scene and Halo did create modern e-sports. They're just simply different. While I can empathize with not having games to your liking coming out nowadays, oldfags act like Half-life/CS/halo/Cod raped them and destroyed all their old games. If Quake/ or Unreal is so great whats so terrible about playing it over and over for years?
HL/CS/Halo/TeamFortress fans have been doing the same and have done just fine

>>714401058
Half Life defined the essential format of the FPS and the entire genre has been coasting off of it ever since. It would take another groundbreaking title to come out and create something completely new.

>>714422779
Do you also think Elite Dangerous is an FPS?

>>714422946
The thing with shooters is the genre became so popular and attracted lots of people who never really played games before. Other genres never had that sort of issue, and if they did they were already rather inviting. So you have a genre now marketed towards college kids who make up the majority and don't understand why you'd want to play the old games.

>>714423297
>If Quake/ or Unreal is so great whats so terrible about playing it over and over for years?
Ask a Halofag the same thing.

>>714423061
Actually in halo ce the plasma bolts are the same speed on every difficulty. In halo 3 they toned it back a bit from halo 2.

>>714423415
ive never played it but i will say that freespace 2 and star wars tie fighter are similar to descent but i wouldn't call them fps. because as games they don't have 'fps things' like picking up items or blowing up walls to find secrets. they are dogfight simulators that happen to be in first person. i don't think every game with first person and shooting is an fps, i just genuinely believe descent specifically is a very traditional arena fps

>>714422837
>3babby
i dont even like 3 i think its the biggest mediocrity in the series
>bro look at this speedrun where you break out of bounds at every chance
thanks for outing yourself as not having watched the video or having basic reading comprehension jackass
>>714423506
feel like most halo fags that i've talked to since 4 have been content with playing 3 until the heat death of the universe but im not in with the halo community

>>714409176
If anything you can argue having access to all of your weapons magically is the casualization approach versus making the player pick and choose which 2 they have access to which forces them to think on their feet and to adapt using the tools around them. I like both approaches personally but there is no argument that somehow holding 10 weapons is harder or less casual than needing to strategically use 2.

Halo is a science fiction game and you have a regenerating energy shield which is the entire reason why master chief has that fucking suit. It isn’t halos fault that people took that mechanic to use in their own stupid games. Your logic is flawed.

>>714423297
CS is more skill extensive than many other modern shooters (CoD, BF, Hero Shooters) but Halo really is just a casual version of the arena shooter, made for a control scheme that is objectively worse for shooters than mouse and keyboard. the game is slow and floaty because tracking fast targets on THE DUKE is hard. And the implication that people don't still play their old favorites games is silly, many do. I'll boot up UT2K4 every now and then even just to blast bots. I like playing the Halo campaigns in co-op too, so it's not like I hate the games but they ARE casualized arena shooters, this cannot be denied.

>>714423759
Then why aren't they playing 3? Halo players have the biggest fucking persecution complex and will whine endlessly while still getting new games and support for the old ones.

>>714423764
>If anything you can argue having access to all of your weapons magically is the casualization approach versus making the player pick and choose which 2 they have access to which forces them to think on their feet and to adapt using the tools around them.
When you can amass a full arsenal, each tool has its intended purpose and you use it at that time. In Halo, you just use a headshot weapon in 99% of battles, and occasionally pick up an instakill gun every 2 or 3 minutes. Why bother picking up something situational when you can just use an all-purpose gun that might not the be the best but is good enough in almost every fight?

>>714423881
>Then why aren't they playing 3
i think 3's multiplayer sucks

>>714424137
And what are you doing about it?

>>714422837
NTA but the developers have said multiple times that heroic was always the intended difficulty for their games. anything less is too easy for many people who play games on a regular basis and legendary always has some weird shit going on in each game where it could have used some more balancing and polish before release. there is a 0% chance that any game made with 4 difficulty modes intends on majority of players playing it on the hardest mode. That is a challenge mode.

>>714424367
>the developers have said multiple times that heroic was always the intended difficulty for their games
Got any sources of that from 2006 or earlier? Halo 1 and 2 never said that.

>>714423764
>It isn’t halos fault that people took that mechanic to use in their own stupid games
this is the ultimate point that people will never choose to understand because its easier to point fingers and blame
>>714424131
>Why bother picking up something situational
limited ammo/range/effectivness etc buddy
the two headhsot weapons in the the game (magnum and sniper) are very limted in ammo but very powerful, you keep them around for the situations in which they thrive. Every weapon has a niche for which its good
>>714424350
playing halo CE custom servers till the heat death of the universe

>>714424624
>the two headhsot weapons in the the game (magnum and sniper) are very limted in ammo
Not really. You get plenty from each spawn, they respawn quickly, and oftentimes (for the pistol) in pairs. Plus, you spawn with it. And if you don't spawn with it, you're making a beeline directly to its spawn because it's the best gun in the multiplayer. This only becomes more true in later games where the other guns are stripped of their unique attributes.

>>714400035 (OP)
>crank up the FOV
holy FUARK... i'm like LIGHTNING...

>>714425887
Those fucking arms in 120. I'm dying.

>>714421660
Third Person Shooter is a thing you know.

>>714400035 (OP)
>Goldeneye
Not sure why the edit was made for Halo and persisted for so long
As a criticism/mockery, the image has only gotten more senseless with time
Lots of people played Halo and other shooters in the same day
People just enjoyed Halo and for a time it happened to be highly popular because it is fun
They played it even as Microsoft employees were unsure of its potential and thought Azurik was the future of Xbox
Even now a lot of people just want a good new Halo experience amidst the other types of games they play in a day/week
It's wanted even though many of them know and understand it won't ever be #1 again just like many enjoyed CE without caring if it/the series became #1 for a time

>>714425528
>Not really. You get plenty from each spawn
i thought we were talking about singeplayer
the magnum is a keystone weapon or a jack of all trades. it does well in most scenarios but can be easily outmatched by weapons that are more specialized
>plasma rifle and pistol
shield strippers at mid range, PR slows players on hit better for flanks
>shotgun and flamethrower shred in close range
>AR out dps's the magnum and doesn't require headshots, fastest melee in the game
>sniper outperforms the magnum entirely sans magazine capacity but makes up for it in raw dmg
>rocket launcher/Fuel rod speak for themselves in terms of dmg and splash
the only one that doesn't have a place really is the needler which truly is unfortunate

this doesn't include quick camo stats and all the melee stats though. Generally the magnum is good but certainly not the best in every situation. Its really no more powerful than the later games BR's, hell i'd even argue that those guns are much more intrusive than the magnum. I play often and i find myself dropping the magnum fairly frequently and still doing well, it really depends on the map and the ranges you're fighting at.
I will admit the sniper spawns are totally fucked in CE though

>>714426314
>i thought we were talking about singeplayer
In CE singleplayer, you're just using the Plasma Pistol because it doesn't have a health debuff, has a fire rate only limited by the player, perfect accuracy, a lot of range, and the most common enemies drop more. The same thing applies, just with a different weapon.
When you go to pick up rockets in singleplayer, you're giving up half of your inventory that will be gone in just a few shots and (on higher difficulties) might not even get a kill on its own. A limited inventory dictates how you take on a fight by giving you weapons gimped in different situations instead of letting the player figure out how to fight on their own.
>everything about the weapons
That's all well and good, but look at any CE multiplayer match and it's pistols out 99% of the time, and people only consider dropping it if they have camo. A weapon limit sounds good on paper and you can come up with all of these scenarios where it sounds like fun, but then you actually play the game and people are using 1 gun for every single fight because it's the most versatile.
And if you remove that, then you're playing a class-based shooter where the class selection screen is the play field.

in CE is there any reason to use the Plasma Rifle over the Plasma Pistol?

>>714426879
The rifle is better in multiplayer because it takes longer to overheat and can score a kill on its own. It can also save your trigger finger if you can't fire rapidly for long periods of time. Otherwise, no.

>>714400035 (OP)
Nope. Still fucking overrated dogshit.

>>714426879
Faster stun time
You don't have to risk arthtitis to fire normally

>>714427336
>easy

>>714426731
>on higher difficulties
didnt have this problem on heroic tbqh. I think singleplayer is a little
>That's all well and good, but look at any CE multiplayer match and it's pistols out 99% of the time
i dont really see how this is very different from player in say, a game like quake using the rocket launcher most of the time if we're arguing from the standpoint of the big inventory multiplayer games

i dont know of any non-loadout, non class based shooter games where there isn't a jack of all trades type of weapon

>>714427820
>i dont really see how this is very different from player in say, a game like quake using the rocket launcher most of the time
Mostly because they don't, and will regularly switch to different weapons as the situation calls for it. But that's the player's choice and not the game's artificially limiting them to a certain playstyle depending on what weapons they find.

>>714426731
>>714427820
>I think singeplayer is a little
my sentence got cut off but my point was that the PP in CE is uniquely broken and ammo for it is common. IMO i don't see it that differently than someone running around Doom 2 using the super shotty most of the time because its just that good
>>714427987
>Mostly because they don't
think we're gonna argue here until we're blue in the face because we lack the actual data to back up our points but in my experience players in CE will regularly throw away the magnum and other such weapons when the situation calls for it, and that situation (admittedly map dependent) happens more often than you'd think

I think the real point here though is that the two weapon limit (specifically for multiplayer) is made to balance out the weapons. CE is going for a different experience tbqh and its gonna do things differently to further that style of gameplay. CE is about giving the player specific weapons that are really powerful in their specific scenarios. If the player could carry all the weapons at once it would be terrible because players could cover all the bases at once and create a total steamroll. I think the CE devs didn't like how in traditional arena games you start with nothing and have to build up from there, giving the players a good gun on spawn prevents those scenarios. So yes, while in CE you may use the magnum for a lot of scenarios the trade off is now that you can have power weapons that don't create a snowball effect but still allow for players to have high moments

>>714400035 (OP)
not even the best console shooter of that era

>>714422062
There's an entire one level and it changes nothing.

>>714401058
is AAA consoomercattle really this retarded?

>>714423839
>casual version of the arena shooter
>game is slow and floaty because tracking fast targets on THE DUKE is hard
Halo plays nothing like a casual version of an arena shooter. If you changed nothing about Halo, and just made it as fast as Quake the gameplay would be completely broken. You'd never melee anybody, everyone would just run away from grenades, you wouldn't need vehicles if you can just zip around the map in 2 seconds. Team work and map control would be next to impossible. There's a reason why 4v4 competitive Quake isn't a thing. Halo has more in common with Counter Strike than it does Quake.

>>714428723
>players in CE will regularly throw away the magnum and other such weapons when the situation calls for it
I'm just saying, those situations are few and far between. Even in Quake modes like Clan Arena where you spawn with every weapon, it's not nearly as centralized as Halo.
>I think the real point here though is that the two weapon limit (specifically for multiplayer) is made to balance out the weapons.
I think the weapon limit only truly works because the games have a weapon usable in every situation. This kind of defeats the purpose of having a weapon limit in a way. CE handles it the best because its ancillary weapons do things the pistol can't.

>>714432307
Quake has competitive team modes, they're just not as popular as duels.

>>714423839
>CS is more skill extensive than many other modern shooters
true, my point is that the barrier to entry and doing well is centralized more around less physically skill required things like teamwork, map knowledge, timing etc. CS is less about clicking on heads and knowing movement tech and I think thats why it was so popular
>the game is slow and floaty because tracking fast targets on THE DUKE is hard
tbqh i think the game is floaty and physics based because thats how all Bungie games are or were. Marathon designed for M+KB was also like this. The only real change made for console that halo made was its version of aim assist
I think people ascribe Halo's slowness (kind of a meaningless word without proper context considering this can be more of a feeling than a definitive statistic) to its supposed "consoleization" when in reality its because like this anon said >>714432307 halo is trying to create a very specific kind of gameplay. Perhaps it IS a dumbed down arena shooter, but its an arena shooter that added many things alongside that that people too quickly dismiss

>>714433809
Halo is not an arena shooter.

>>714434119
regard
>>714423839

>>714434342
>if i tell a lie and say it can't be argued, that means it's true

>>714434467
please create an argument then

>>714434703
Weapon pickups alone are not enough to compare it to arena shooters.

>>714401058
yep, add it to the list of dead genres

>racing
>RTS
>rhythm
>mascot platformer
what else?

>>714423257
almost 2/3 of all profit in the industry comes from mobile/social media games and we all know that it ain't westerners who make up the majority of that playerbase

>>714435319
Beat 'em ups

>>714401058
3rd person has taken over , people look seeing their character

>>714400035 (OP)
I used to be a puritan when this game for being a slow console shooter. It was slow and boring. But wouldn't you know I got a chance to actually play the entire trilogy a few years ago and you know what? It's carried by a great story, great campaign co-op, fun as hell vehicle segments, and a few really fun weapons.
I'd still describe it as a millenial console shooter, but it's one of the good ones, considering the George Bush glorification games that came after.

>>714400519
fpbp

>mogs Gaylo and makes Gaylo fags seethe

>>714401058
All vidya is in the shittiest state its ever been in, not just fps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc3EGc-Z8wg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikYHpPohsFE

>>714404742
Idk man, there's some parts like the library that are dreadful today. The generally aggressive copy pasting of locations from halfway through the game till the end really sucks

>>714400035 (OP)
my first fps was overwatch

>>714400035 (OP)
My first FPS’ (since I played both the same day) were Turok 2 on 64 and Quake on PC. I enjoyed the Halo series up till Reach. Haven’t played much of the newer ones but I replayed the old ones on MCC and had fun. My favorite FPS of all time is UT99. It just has infinite replayability for me.

>>714400035 (OP)
yes

>>714400035 (OP)
I’d say so. I mean, even in that era, Goldeneye was far more popular. For people still playing shooters today, Black Ops 2 is probably the first for a lot of younger people.

>>714401058
Call of Duty: Black Ops 6 was the #1 best-selling game of 2024 and is STILL the #5 best-selling game of 2025, you just live in a bubble.

>>714401058
what genre is even relevent now?
it seems like gacha jrpg are the only thing people play now

Halo was always better than anything Snoy had to offer

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