>die and have to start over from the beginning of the game
How did roguelikes ever take off in popularity?

Hades made them popular, now I'm sick of fucking seeing them. The Binding of Isaac is still great.

>>714409081
Neither of those are roguelikes, retard.

>>714409224
it's on the Steam tags, retard

>>714409331
Yeah, let's just trust the Steam users who consist mostly of chinks and spics. Solid point.

>>714409538
explains why your game library is there

>>714408446 (OP)
They are manipulative renditions of arcade style games.

>>714409331
lmao

>>714411363
look it up, retard

Because they are fun and possibly the only genre that does resource management well.

>>714408446 (OP)
Just play other mystery dungeon games, Shiren is for experienced players and/or masochists.

>>714411540
Steam tags are often bullshit. Any game can call itself a roguelike. Balatro even calls itself a "roguelike".

>>714413468
Balatro is a roguelike, retard

>>714413668
lmao

>>714413702
look it up, retard

>>714413782
I did. lmao

>>714413782
>circular reasoning

>Shiren
>roguelike
Meta progression (unlocking town services, character questlines etc) and persistence between games (being able to smuggle items out of the dungeon for use in a different run via the courier and storehouse) say no. It's a turnbased adventure game with permadeath, not a roguelike.

>>714415354
All of these are optional and every game in the franchise is balanced around being able to beat the game on a fresh save file. Shiren very much fits the bill.

>>714415952
>All of these are optional and every game in the franchise is balanced around being able to beat the ga-ACK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwNXe4QT-CM

>>714417091
Rogue itself has monster houses, though they're called monster zoo's I think.

>>714415116
there's only one ending, where you look it up and see you're wrong, retard.

>>714419143
https://roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Berlin_Interpretation
I looked it up.
inb4 you cry and piss yourself saying its old and outdated

>>714419554
That's not Steam, retard.

>>714419668
The tags on steam are bullshit. A dev can put literally any tags on a game that they want.

>>714408446 (OP)
In Shiren's case each dungeon takes like two hours, it's no different from trying to 1cc an arcade game, probably easier in most cases. It's not some 80-hour epic where you have to start over every time.

>>714408446 (OP)
That 3d looks like SHIT

>>714412264
Recommend some fren

>>714420310
The torneko ones for snes/ps1 are a bit easier. The pokemon ones are more like dungeon crawlers since they don't have permadeath but they do still have a bit of roguelikiness in them.

>>714415354
only the main story has meta progression. It's practically a tutorial. In most of the post game dungeons there isn't any and you have to start from nothing. And those post game dungeons are the real meat of the game and take significantly longer to clear.

>>714420458
the pokemon ones are for babies

>>714415354
It has these things but you can ignore them and several dungeons don't allow them. Shiren is as close as you can get to a real roguelike while technically falling just slightly short of the mark. It's certainly much closer to Rogue than any roguelite is.

>>714420310
This one is the middle point between shiren and pokemon, not saying that it is good tho, in fact it fucking sucks until you unlock the final story dungeon and the postgame dungeon with 999 floors which is where the game can be played correctly.

You can also try the etrian one for the 3DS too.

>>714419718
Developers make the game, retard. They know better than (you)

>>714419973
LITERALLY the best graphics they've put to a Shiren game. Better than the half measure on N64, better than the realism on Wii, way and far above better than sprites.

>>714421202
nobody likes etrian mystery dungeon

>>714421598
I like it, was rough around the edges but fun.