Thread 714429579

Oh no guys, it looks like the petition that was going to save gaming was fradulent. Who could've expected this.
>w-we sould bot even MORE signatures t-then!
Heh, I guess your initiative wasn't that popular after all.

Still not voting

based
thor won
pirate lost

Here's an unpopular opinion: Maldavius right about SKG, and it will make the gaming industry worse. Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumers. The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.

This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones. This is why American service is far better than European service. Because the market in the US is freer. And the freer the market, the better it is for everyone.

SKG, on the other hand, proposes additional regulations that will burden producers but ultimately lead to all costs being passed on to consumers.

Those who oppose absolute market freedom are shooting themselves in the foot

>>714431620
Yeah fuck regulations. Bring back asbestos and lead in our water so companies can make even more money! Fuck the consumer!

>>714431620
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones.
Yes, I love all the added sugar in my candy that makes it taste like shit and makes me more obese. Regulations are a good thing since companies only seek profit.
>then just don't buy chocolate
sure I can do that, can't do that with vidya I liked and is now dead precisely because it didn't make enough money.

>>714431857
I want more unsafe working conditions in factories. If I don't read about a new maiming happening ever week I get grumpy. There's not nearly enough people falling into industrial grade food blenders these days.

>>714431620
>Because we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone
lmao do americans really?

>>714431620
when us industry wasn't absolute dogshit (30s-70s) we have a hell of a lot more regulation than we do now

>>714431857
> Fuck the consumer!
As a libertarian, I openly oppose this initiative because it involves market regulations, which are bad and only lead to worse outcomes. On the contrary, corporations should be given MORE freedom to manage their goods.
I sincerely believe that the modern EU is a veritable onions GULAG and an extremely poor example to follow.

>>714430203
then you will own nothing and be happy
thank you consoomer

>>714431620
>we know the axiom: the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone—both producers and consumers
some of us aren't indoctrinated americans so we know that going too far with deregulation is just as bad as going too far with regulation

>>714431620
>axiom
an assumption that's just taken for granted despite being unprovable? Are you sure that's the word you want to use?

>>714431620
>Those who oppose absolute market freedom are shooting themselves in the foot
No, they're shooting mister goldberg in the foot.

>>714432150
You actually correctly defined an axiom here, anon. That's exactly what they are.

>>714431620
I have libertarian fatigue

>>714432138
>regulations are... LE BAD!

>>714431620
Rape and genocide all americans

>>714432249
Meant for: >>714432203

>>714431857
> Fuck the consumer!
The free market is primarily about improving the quality of goods and services for the consumer. The consumer benefits from the absence of regulations because it grants them the power of choice. Bad corporations will go bankrupt, while good ones will thrive. The consumer only gains when corporations don't have to pass on the costs of regulations to them.

>>714432138
>>714432346
Kill all americans.

>>714432138
Ah yes, just like war is peace and freedom is slavery

>The free market is primarily about improving the quality of goods and services for the consumer.
Absolute cope, the free market is not about anything, it's a tool that anyone can use to any end they want, but the only end it gets used towards is maximization of profit at the expense of absolutely everything else, especially the consumer

>>714432346
>Bad corporations will go bankrupt, while good ones will thrive.
*collusion and market manipulation have entered the chat*
oh nyooo bros but i thought free market was a good thing!!

>>714431620
>le chill doggo.jpg
>abhorrent post

>>714432346
if there are no regulations then the corporation doesn't have any reason to let the consumer gain anything though, they just keep it all to themselves

>>714432150
It just depends if there is regulatory capture when the regulations are made, unfortunately there usually is.

>>714431620
This.
Regulation has NEVER made any industry better.

>>714432534
Don't forget monopolies and trusts.

>>714432690
doesn't matter when the lack of regulation is already maximally bad

>>714432473
In a free market, consumers have all the leverage to remove bad actors from the market. Just DON'T BUY their products, and that's it. Don't buy bad games, buy good ones, and the makers of bad games will go bankrupt.

You don't need regulations or the state to influence corporations as long as you have money.

In a free market, the consumer has far more rights than in a regulated one because the consumer has the most important right—the right to choose.

>>714431620
>American goods are far superior in quality to European ones. This is why American service is far better than European service.

>>714432806
in a free market consumers have no leverage whatsoever because they have no choice

>>714432346
>The free market is primarily about improving the quality of goods and services for the consumer.
And yet in every market where businesses aren't forced by law to act differently what they actually do is chase the bare minimum viable product.

america won!
mold won!

>>714431620
you are literally no different than the tankie retards who think that "real communism has never been tried!!!!1!"
you people have no clue how the real world works, you can only think in made up theoretical systems

>>714432938
America is being eclipsed by china in every way as we speak.

>>714432842
where is the lie?

>>714432668
> the corporation doesn't have any reason
The main reason is that the consumer has a choice, and if you don't serve the consumer properly, they'll simply go to your competitor, and you'll go bankrupt. That's the essence of a free market—you're not the only player, and if you don't offer the most unique or highest-quality services, you'll be replaced by another, better player. And that's why the consumer always wins.

>>714432346
>The free market is primarily about improving the quality of goods and services for the consumer.
I knew this board was retarded but the scope of it always takes me by surprise.

>>714431620
That would be true if games as a service did NOT violate property rights you moron.
A market is not free if it allows fraudulent transactions with no recourse.

Why do libertarians always sound like they're reciting beliefs from some holy book?
There isn't a single inkling of thought behind those words, it's just
>x is BAD
>y is GOOD
>when we just get the heavenly rapture- er i mean glorious revoluti- er i mean free market everything will simply work out and be perfect

>>714433026
the consumer has no choice because in a free market all service is consolidated into a monopoly

>>714431620
Jew

>>714432774
I can't see them making the situation to much worse here, but they will no doubt try.

>>714432346
Dumbest nigger in the thread, thought OP was retard e but you took the cake anon

>>714432906
This is the dumbest thing I've heard in years...

Dude, you can just not buy bad products and buy good ones instead... Your money is in your pocket. You decide how to spend it.

>>714432806
>just don't buy their products
ok I won't, but an army of gambling addicts, kids and clueless normies will

you live in a fantasy land where everything is fair and goes exactly as planned, the reality is the product itself could be total shit but as long as its marketed properly it doesnt matter

>>714431857
Yeah! What if I actually want sawdust and chalk in my bread?

>>714432806
>Just DON'T BUY their products, and that's it. Don't buy bad games, buy good ones, and the makers of bad games will go bankrupt.
This is idealistic and ignores the fact average consumer is braindead cattle. Remember the MW2 boycott where everybody boycotting still bought the game? Or more recently the Genshin boycotts where the people boycotting the game kept playing but "just tried to play less." Consumers are fucking retarded and need government to keep them from killing themselves.

>>714432986
american products are known far and wide to be complete dogshit, and it's not even hyperbole

are government regulations to blame for bad video games?

>>714433157
>just go eat grass in a forest if you don't want to engage with the free market
>oh wait, but not that grass, i also have a monopoly on that
there is no choice in how i can spend it in a true free market, because everything is consolidated into a monopoly and shittified

>>714433059
The free market basically is their god.

>>714433157
I just buy you and kill you in an actually free market with no regulations. Hunt and capture all of your family members and enslave them.

>>714433083
A monopoly is physically impossible in a free market. One of the features of a free market is that, without government regulations, new players constantly emerge, creating competition. Monopolies are born from regulations that prevent new players from entering the market, as they have to navigate thousands of regulations with minimal capital.

Monopolies are IMPOSSIBLE in a free market. This is literally a fact.

>>714433257
>Remember the MW2 boycott where
give him a break, he's not old enough for that one

>>714429579 (OP)
HA HA

fuck you commies

>>714433381
Have fun in your fantasy land, reality is not your hallucinated version of a free market

>>714433381
new players can't emerge in a monopoly because the monopoly actively prevents them from doing so, you need regulation to stop that from happening

>>714433381
While it is correct that government regulations stifle the emergence of new competition, the claim that monopolies can't exist in a free market is disingenuous.

>>714433264
Oh, you're a russian bot

>>714433474
regulations can do anything, including both stifle and encourage competition, they are a tool

>>714433381
Which government regulations are stopping new players from creating good video games and outcompeting the bad?

>>714433454
>because the monopoly actively prevents them from doing so
Literally impossible without regulations.
Regulations are the entire reason joining a new market is nearly impossible even when it's not a monolopy

>>714432138
Do you understand that the American food industry was filled with borderline toxic food before Teddy instituted the FDA? I bet there were retards just like you crying about muh regulations then too. If you let corpos get away with shit, they'll get away with shit. What's the point of paying tax to a government if they don't deal with shit like this
Because in truth that's the reality, you're letting yourself being cucked twice, first by paying tax to the government and then second by letting the corpos rape you. At least with market regulation you're only raped once

>>714433482
Foreign goods can be sold, completely unchanged in the US, most of the time. American goods in foreign countries? Not the same, brainlet. Sometimes completely illegal to sell them elsewhere.

>>714433257
Also a big reason why major companies like Valve will always get away with their absolute garbage practices like their game review process leaving major games in month long limbos waiting for a response, just to arbitrarily reject them for any reason. Valve has no incentive to improve as a service because consumers will slurp their products up regardless. Thinking with your wallet doesn't actually work in practice when nobody actually gives a shit.

>>714433581
>Which government regulations are stopping new players from creating good video games and outcompeting the bad?
None which is why we still get a lot of great non-GaaS games.

>>714433482
he's right though, american products really are known for being some of the lowest quality crap in the world

at least mass market stuff like food, there's a reason americans can't export their normal food and only export luxury food to europe where they market it as regular non-luxury food for europeans

>>714433381
why would people flock to a new player if that new player is so shit at their job they can't even clear the bare minimum of regulation that a government enforces?

>>714433591
>Literally impossible without regulations.
you keep saying this
what is your evidence? if a powerful corporation is successful enough they will certainly have enough power to stifle their competition

>>714433597
You can look up videos how people were crying about seat belts.

>>714433623
>American goods in foreign countries? Not the same
Yes because those countries keep ripping us off. That's the entire reason behind Trump's tariffs. If you're not going to be nice to American goods you'll just have to pay us a lot more in tariffs

>>714433591
regulations are the only thing stopping monopolies from forming, in a true free market monopoly on every level is completely inevitable

>>714433058
Live-service games don't violate anything because they aren't your property. You're granted an indefinite (or limited) right to use them, but they don't become your possession. You're not buying ownership; you're buying access, and that access can be irrevocably revoked at any time, as you're WARNED in the user agreement.

That's the whole point of the term "games-as-a-service." If you don't like the concept of live-service games, just don't spend money on them, and that's it. What's the problem with not using something you don't like? I don't like avocados, so I don't eat them, but I'm not demanding an immediate ban on avocados or that they be made tastier FOR ME at a government level.

It's just rational that if there's a live-service game, you should decide whether to accept those terms or not.

>>714433320
Based

>>714432979
what doea china have to do with an american starting up a grassroots movement to stop game devs from killing games?

>>714433768
Oh, so you're just trolling, got it.

>>714433746
>what is your evidence?
Zero examples of monopolies forming without government regulation that made it possible for them to form in the first place. Meanwhile we have countless examples of monopolies forming in heavy regulated markets.

>>714433381
>new company starts making a better version of x product
>corporation uses its resources to steal the design of x product and produce it for one quarter the cost because they have an infinitely better economy of scale, manufacturing base, established customers, and outreach
>new company dies out
you are retarded

>>714432806
>In a free market, consumers have all the leverage to remove bad actors from the market.
No they don't. The relation of companies and customers is asymmetric, because companies are big entities and customers are often many small individual buyers. An organized force will always outplay a disorganized one. It's the mechanism of people getting together and setting up new rules that makes the relationship balanced, not any myth of a free market.

>>714433841
You're just a retarded russian bot
>>714433691
see >>714433768

>>714429579 (OP)
you won't win. i know what you are doing. you will lose and justice will prevail.

>>714433868
Because actual free markets don't exist. They're even more of a fairy tale than "true communism".

>JUST DON'T BUY IT
We tried that. Look at where we fucking are now. Or are you going to deny the video game's industry is worse off now than it was 10 years ago, 20 years ago, in terms of quality of games.
Again, to reiterate, we fucking TRIED just not buying the slop. Guess what? It doesn't work. Because corpos can use tactics and manipulation to convince the majority of people to do something against their interests. Even if you tell a normalfag "this game is predatory/bad, buy this other game instead", that doesn't fucking work.

>>714433868
Name one monopoly that currently exists

>>714432346
Corporations would kill you en masse if they thought they could profit from it without government oversight.

>>714433971
>nice to american goods
maybe stop trying to sell toxic garbage and it'll stop

>>714433868
>Zero examples of monopolies forming without government regulation
because zero companies exist in a place without governance

>>714433928
>patents and property and intellectual rights are market regulation
retard

>>714431620
Libertarianism does not work in the real world

bro just 2 more weeks worth of signatures bro

>>714434042
Internet providers in most of the US territory. Perfect of example of a monopoly that exists not in spite of regulation but because of it preventing new players

>>714434026
>Because corpos can use tactics and manipulation to convince the majority of people to do something against their interests.
Like, for example, become libertarians.

>>714434094
And if a company did exist in a place without governance, it would just become the local government and create its own regulations.

lefty meme. didnt read.

>>714432732
didn't someone above us mention asbestos? how young are you to not know what asbestos is?

>>714434131
Those signatures do nothing anyway. Or do people think a law in the EU is getting changed or something if it reaches enough internet (lmao) signatures?
Bunch of idiots

>>714434095
the hypothetical i just mentioned is still a free market, in fact it is even more free than what you're suggesting
or are you just deflecting because you know you're wrong?

>>714434094
>no regulation = no government
retard

>>714434190
the developer doesn't need to provide a download host or anything else of the sort

>>714434184
Leads into another question:
Without regulation, how will limited physical resources be delegated? Who is allowed to use the EM frequency spectrum? How do we stop it from becoming literally unusable with everyone broadcasting everywhere?

>>714434190
>zoomer doesn't know what torrents or file hosters are

>>714432806
The producers have all the leverage in any market system, that's why consumers need to be protected
>JUST DON'T BUY THEIR PRODUCTS DUDE
This kind of works for luxury goods like vidya, but what about when it's for a more necessary product
>The local water company refuses to provide water that won't make you die of dysentery?
>DUDE JUST DIE OF DEHYDRATION INSTEAD
>but don't get violent tho
I think the main reason I find you objectivists so detestable is that you use a survival of the fittest natural appeal, but only in ways that benefit you under an artificial unnatural system. There is nothing more natural than violence, yet you constantly cry about the NAP. If it's fair for companies to maliciously fuck over their consumers, it's fair for me to take what I want via force. You hide behind the government to protect you from those stronger than you, but lament it when those you prey on attempt to utilize that very same government to protect themselves from you

>>714434095
Yes they are, patent laws regulate who can sell what products on the open market.

>>714431620
Maybe you should try to remove the regulations on your education first because you absolutely don't know what you're talking about

>>714434095
I mean... he's right??? Forcing you to respect rights is a regulation that reduces your freedom.

>>714434184
That's because of an oligopoly/cartel, retard. Those companies keep out of their "competitor's" area because they made backroom deals, you're truly braindead, huh?

>>714434273
>is still a free market
no property or intellectual rights is not the same as a free market
if you don't even understand that there is no point arguing with you

>>714433059
lolbertarians are all americans and kikes. that's why they always seem like the largest corposemen slurpers on planet earth. because a completely and utterly unregulated society is heavily to their advantage, since they then can be as evil to their workers as they can possibly imagine being.

>>714432908
you say that but i can go out and buy a luxury car right now. hell, the dealer will probably pick up the phone even at night if i call the right number. just gotta pay top end prices for top end services and products

or is that a minimum viable luxury product?

>>714434461
so it's only a free market if there is a government enforcing property rights? what about cavemen trading seashells? they're not engaging in free trade?

>>714430203
Why do reddit frog posters always pretend they're fit?

>>714434489
it's not to their advantage, it's to the advantage of the corpos that have indoctrinated them

the absolute state of current american society and how it has declined and still is declining is incontrovertible proof of that

>>714431620
Reduce regulations but actually increase gatekeeping. A storefront shouldnt sell any kind of slop. But that’s not a government decision that’s on Sony, MS, Steam etc

>>714434432
>>714434565
>>714434419
No. Patent laws and other forms of basic property rights aren't industry regulations. In your mind no industry regulations means zero laws on any form of behavior because you're a 12 year old.

>>714433719
Many regulations are completely pointless and counterproductive. They exist solely as barriers to entry for new players, and that's their only purpose.

To sell a product, a manufacturer has to jump through 100 burning hoops. A large player, who likely lobbied for these regulations, simply spends huge sums of money to comply, passing those costs onto the consumer. Meanwhile, a new player can't enter the market because these regulations aren't about product quality—they're just barriers. The new manufacturer lacks the resources to waste on complying with regulations that lead nowhere.

A good example of this is the UK meat market, where cow feces must be disposed of in a specific way using electrification, supposedly because cow feces increase CO2 levels in the atmosphere and contribute to global warming.

You can see how absurd this is and that disposing of manure through electric shocks has nothing to do with the quality of meat products. But thanks to this regulation, small farmers can't enter the market because the equipment is quite expensive.

>>714434640
>reduce regulations but increase regulations
durr

If the game industry won't act in good faith and business then it's only fair I force the government's hand and make them be fair.

Mald, seethe, cope all you want but I won't budge.

>>714434640
Who decides what's slop? I don't like fifa and all those similar games. Doesn't make it slop, or I wouldn't be retarded enough to declare it slop.

>>714433780
>If you don't like the concept of live-service games, just don't spend money on them
Imagine you did buy them then it was terminated or if it was terminated but stilll on the market. This expressly illegal, no amount of terms of services or licenses agreement can allow fraud.
Corporations know this and even the boomers in gov can understand it. If the gov can fine an entity millions it would do so without a second thought

>>714433768
man you're dense, the whole world will totally buy the superior American goods if their own goods aren't imported to the US anymore thanks to your tariffs?!?

>>714431620
>inventa lege, inventa fraude
Corpos will be fine

>>714434708
wrong, they, just as all other laws, are government regulations, the government prescribes and enforces them

>>714434708
I will direct you back to my hypothetical
>>714433928
This would be an example of a monopoly forming in a society without any governments

>>714434640
>reduce regulations
>but make everyone just do this thing I want without being regulated to do it

>>714434443
>Those companies keep out of their "competitor's" area because they made backroom deals
Which would be impossible if any new player was allowed to join the market instead. The regulation is actively making sure only these companies are in business

games are one of the purest, most undeniable cases of "if you don't like it just buy something else". there's so many different games being published that it's genuinely hard to keep track. if you don't like ubisloppa and its policies there are thousands of different games to buy and play, many of which will fit even the most inane criteria you can think of

since this is not good enough, i have to conclude that the purpose here is specifically power over others and control of their property

>>714432346
there's so much shit in history and in the real world showing time and time again that when corporations are given free reign to do whatever the fuck they want they will gladly treat you like animals and slaughter you if it'll benefit their bottom-line
remember the people running corporations are genuine unironic sociopaths and psychopaths that get off on the idea of a factory worker getting eaten alive by machinery

>>714431987
Sounds like something a white collar or someone who works in a safe environment would say. Don't worry, your jobs will be tossed into the grinder once AI takes over and the only thing you will say is: "Why didn't the government regulate on this."

>>714434856
no, consumer rights are important and should be fought for, stop slurping corpo semen

>>714434773
>the whole world will totally buy the superior American goods if their own goods aren't imported to the US anymore thanks to your tariffs?!?
already happening so yes

>>714434190
>provide a 90 mb file needed to play the game offline
>bankrupts the company
riiiiight.... riiight.... indeed, indeed.... if that's the world you want to live in, laddie, then god speed, because i don't care enough to convince you of otherwise..

>>714434710
>Zapping cow dung with lighting
Indian gore

>>714434708
>it doesn't count because I say so

>>714432346
but the consumer is retarded thanks to socialized government indoctrination school.

>>714434856
I don't want some shitty knock of a game I paid for 2 years ago, I want the game I paid for.

>>714434190
Consider all the occasions where a game had the plug pulled and then someone out there began hosting a server to let it function again. MMOs, multiplayer shooters, whatever. They usually get forced to shutter the servers. But that wouldn't happen anymore, meaning if nothing changed other than the company not being allowed to force users not to revive the game, the game is not killed.
>>714434085
To be fair American bread is as bad as it is because American wheat is rough to digest.

>>714434616
okay bro. still not gonna convince me, lolly..

>>714434891
Timmy gives me free games + skins
meanwhile fat GayB rapes children.

>>714434848
No, it's ONLY possible because there are no regulations on those companies. No regulations which stop them from doing that. They bought all politicians and changed all the laws to make it a free market for them, so that they can do whatever they want. An internet company is not something that you can do just do on a whim and become" a new player", you broken record.

>>714435001
no, american bread is bad because they deliberately put sugar and poison in it to increase profits

>>714432138
>>714431620
So in terms of people who are for SKG
>Gamers
>People who enjoy freedom
>Consumer right activists
>The Postal Devs
>Vidya butts

People against SKG
>Corporatists
>Libertarians
>Republicans
>Third worlders hired by the first 3 groups
>'My perfect for of capitalism has not been tried'

>>714431620
>The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.

>>714434813
>a society without any governments
never been a thing since pre-history
If your cope is that without any laws most thing we do today don't work then yes you are right.

>>714431620
Yeah your right
>its against the law to repair our devices
Regulations are bad for free done
>sells you a charger that only works for our product
The free market is cool
>imports a zillion jeets tgat worl slave hours with slave pay and pushes the native population out of the job market

>>714435072
>freedom is when the government tells you what to do
classy

>>714435091
never been a thing period

the moment you have two people you automatically have a government

>>714435057
>to make it a free market for them
There is no such thing as a "free market for them". If it's not for everybody it's not a free market. Your example of them using the laws and regulations to prevent new players is the exact reason why regulations are bad.
Thank you for proving my point

>>714434710
>supposedly because cow feces increase CO2 levels in the atmosphere and contribute to global warming.
>supposedly
It does though.
Also where are you getting farmers are forced to do it?

>>714429579 (OP)
How much longer am I going to have to keep filtering these dogshit fucking spam / advertisement threads?

I don't fucking care about your retarded petition. I'm not signing it, stop posting about this shit and grow up.

Americans think that the only people whose freedom matters is the corporations

>>714434190
Only argument I've seen that kind of makes sense is cheating.
So let's say somebody makes an unpopular online game, but uses some of their code for another similar, but more popular game.
You just made your new game unplayable and very easily hackable.

>>714435260
thanks for the bump

>>714435091
you said that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a monopoly to form without government regulation
i gave an example of how a monopoly could form without regulation
you are still dodging this

>>714435147
If you force me to choose, I'd choose government over corporations.

>>714434710
to be fair, that's the english and two-tier kier we're talking about, here.. those fucks have always been the most giga fucking slaves of all time, those guys are a natural-born slave race. anyone with the tiniest lick of sense left for the u.s. centuries ago...

>>714435298
It's true

t. American.

>>714431620
>will burden producers but ultimately lead to all costs being passed on to consumers.
there's no higher cost than having the rug pulled from out under you as your games stolen you piece of shit pajeet corpo shill

>>714435254
You're retarded thanks for proving my point.

>>714435147
>freedom is when the government sets the rules, and i get to be part of the government process, since at least in theory the people who are elected are going to continue to need my vote
versus
>freedom is when a corpo monopoly just does what it wants and i have no input even in theory and there will never be any reason for that to change
yeah, i think democracy leads to more freedom

>>714429579 (OP)
What if the court finds Pirate software was behind the fraudulent votes to sabotage the petition?

>>714434026
> Look at where we fucking are now.
Where are we now? I see good games like Black Myth, Stellar Blade, and Atomic Heart thriving, while trash like Dustborn and Concord fails spectacularly.

I see users actively shaping what games will look like by spending money only on what interests them.
> Or are you going to deny the video game's industry is worse off now than it was 10 years ago, 20 years ago, in terms of quality of games.
This is exactly an example of why a free market is BETTER than a non-free one.

The quality of games started to decline sharply due to DEI investments from BlackRock, which acts as a supranational entity. This is literally an example of globalists trying to forcibly change the tastes of the free market, and the failure of these DEI initiatives proves the resilience of the free market to external interference.

Going forward, games will get better because the push to impose woke DEI nonsense has failed spectacularly. The free market has won.

>>714435308
Without centralized servers cheating does not matter.

>>714433482
What's the last american-made car you've purchased

>>714431620
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones.


brainlet, USA has trade deficit against EU.

USA is importing cars and medicine from the EU. Plus Airbus is better than Boeing.

>>714435324
New players are his answer for everything. He's a mongoloid, ignore him.

Are libertarians retards that think corpos count as people or Naive enough to think they would be in a position to be affected by laws targeting companies with billions in net revenue

>>714431857
>Yeah fuck regulations. Bring back asbestos
>>714431987
>I want more unsafe working conditions in factoriesand lead in our water
>There's not nearly enough people falling into industrial grade food blenders these days
Based. Remember, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger

>>714435429
wouldn't matter besides being mildly amusing? the legal consequences would be the same

>>714431620
Game companies that say you only purchase a license for their game instead of buying a product are ruining games

>>714430203
and yet you bumped the thread
curious

>>714435429
Knowing that fat fur fuck I wouldn't be surprised if he sent his followers to do it

>>714435447
New game would obviously not be on player hosted servers, you fuckin retard.

>>714435554
the only difference with corpos is that you don't have the illusion of soap as something you supposedly want, you still get fucked

>>714435413
>they got a monopoly!!!!
>on the games they made!!!!
>OMG, literally fascism
vs
>I can voot for someone, just like I order a menu at McD
>weird that I am given preselected choices like at McD
>but choices at McD make me happy, they make me feel as if I am in charge

>>714435147
People can influence governments. Corporations exist to serve shareholders. I'd rather a government be in control over a corporation.

>>714435324
>i gave an example of how a monopoly could form without regulation
You were forced to create an alternative reality where somehow society is functioning perfectly enough without any laws or government except for those pesky monopolies that keep forming. It's ridiculous which goes to show you can't formulate a credible example of how a monopoly could form without regulation.
You might as well have said something equally as ridiculous as "if there is only one person left in the world it's a monopoly without any regulation, HA I WIN!"
>>714435485
>still butthurt because he has no argument against government created monopolies

>>714435442
>Where are we now? I see good games like Black Myth, Stellar Blade, and Atomic Heart thriving, while trash like Dustborn and Concord fails spectacularly.
Are you out of your fucking mind? You wanna know what the biggest video games are right now? Fornite and Roblox. You wanna tell me those are good fucking games you idiot.
GTA6 is probably gonna make insane amounts of money. And you can bet GTA5 servers are getting shut down soon after.
>The quality of games started to decline sharply due to DEI investments from BlackRock, which acts as a supranational entity
You're a fucking retard.

>>714435254
You still haven't presented a monopoly, thanks for proving my point.

>>714435447
>connect to random IP
>oh wow, a cheater that even uses a vulnerability to hack my computer
>reinstall OS
>connect to another random IP
>oh wow, a cheater that even uses a vulnerability to hack my computer

>>714429579 (OP)
Chances are nothing is going to come out of this. The voting process is unironically the easiest part of the EU citizens initiative since all it does is force the EU to acknowledge the complain. The hardest part is convincing them of change with prominent legal experts and lawyers to help push the initiative into an actual law. Good luck with that while also fight back from the actual industry.

Corporations would literally kill you just to save a rounding zero error.

>>714435671
damn, americans are worse than everyone else even when it comes to food analogies

>>714435671
>>they got a monopoly!!!!
>>on the games they made!!!!
this is what the commies really hate. imagine creating something, and it's just yours. you can do what you want with it.

nothing makes them madder

>>714432346
The communists were right about you ilk. We will chain down your evil companies and force them to benefit humanity, and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it, because the will of hundreds of millions of people is worth more than the feelings of a few millionaires and executives and their lapdogs

>>714434190
>Before we shut down all our servers please download this serverhosting tool
>You are allowed to share this tool perpetually so that if our filehosting service goes down, it wont be completely gone forever
How is this complicated for anyone. YES, you will have to do slightly more work

>>714432806
>Don't buy bad games, buy good ones, and the makers of bad games will go bankrupt.
This only works in an ethnostate full of white people who are at least >90 IQ

>>714435710
>You still haven't presented a monopoly
I have. ISPs in the US. A monopoly created by government regulation

>>714435642
you can't choose to pay taxes or not
you can choose to not buy products of $corporation like Valve

>>714435671
>Uneducated retard
You deserve to be sterilized like the Indians

excellent bait thread anon well done

>>714435256
Global warming doesn't exist, buddy. It's just another woke DEI initiative and nothing more. Like the claim that homosexuals aren't sick people or something like that.

>>714431620
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones
pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

>>714434984
you got it, on the terms you damn well knew at the time.

>>714434931
consumer rights are a subset of property rights. what you make is yours.

>>714435082
>borrow 5k
>need to payback nearly 41k

>>714435820
>uneducated

>>714434190
>what is GitHub
What the fuck is wrong with you idiots?

>>714435863
>on the terms you damn well knew at the time.
How?

>Bro just read this 7000 page ToS filled with legal jargon

>>714435554
Fixed

>>714435792
You're not going to do shit keyboard warrior.

>>714435896
Who do you trust then?

>>714435928
by not pretending to be a retard. who are you kidding?

The free market doesn't make the best games, because the most perfect game ever made, tetris, was made by communists.
Communists went to space first while capitalists can barely get out of orbit.
Communists went to venus, which capitalists still haven't achieved today even with vastly superior technology.

>>714435902
>what is github
owned by Microsoft, a shitty website

>Windows grrrrr Microsoft SUCKS, you can't trust them
>shithub <3 <3 <3 Microsoft you got this!!! we turst your site for shitcode made by the Linus Nazi

>>714435694
>You were forced to create an alternative reality where somehow society is functioning perfectly enough without any laws or government
read the post again. all it stipulates is that there is no government regulating what companies can and cannot do, therefore it's a free market
>It's ridiculous
and yet you cite "muh free markets have never been tried" as a reason for why monopolies are impossible in a free market

>>714432806
>Shitflation
>Buying out competition to create monopolies
>Market collusion
>Fraud

You must be over 18 to post here.

>>714431620
Good luck teaching that to reactionary gamers. Stop killing games and the game is just Anthem.

>>714431620
>American goods are far superior to European ones
As a burger i can tell you, you are out of your fucking skull. We have been deregulating more but it will never be for the benifit of the people. Take chilldog forced meme and shove it up your ass you stupid fuck

>>714435983
Concession accepted

>>714435768
Not if a new player emerges who wouldn't do that because he's somehow more profitable by not making more money in a free market. I'm very smart.

>>714435946
I don't need to do shit. The youth are redpilled as fuck and voted Mumdani in. They cheered on Luigi. You should be terrified of them.

I wouldn't dare get in their way. Zoomers and Alphas are going to burn the world down and reshape it in their image.

>>714435937
that makes zero sense, retard
except for Valve
for Valve it works, but Steamies enjoy a raping

>>714431620
bro literally asked chatgpt to write him a bait post and got 50 (you)s, the underageb& are fucking everywhere in these threads kek

In a real free market you'd be able to buy poor people and kill whoever you don't like if they ever opposed you.

>>714435816
Nope. Thanks for proving my point, retard.

>>714436092
>Ignoring the part where corporations can just take away what you rightfully bought.

>>714435987
>which capitalists still haven't achieved today even with vastly superior technology.
hello popsci reader
no, the us has sent numerous probes to venus, they even landed on the surface once

>>714435082
>117% APR

>>714435954
Mr. Evidence as well as Mr. Proof plus Mr. Critical thinking

for example there are basically no vaccines that were placebo controlled double blind tested.
Really makes you think.

>>714433795
It's a chingchong compensating or a confused, typical self-hating white American.

>>714436086
i do find anyone stupid enough to fall for the luigi psyop to be very concerning.

>merk guy about to break rank on the vaxx
>blame commies
>retards just lap it up

>>714431620
>>714432138
>>714432346
I wonder who could be behind these posts?
Piratesoftware running discordgayops, next time be more subtle.

>>714429579 (OP)
>has non european ecelebs promoting it
>majority of the voters are probably not even european
>surprise pikacu

>>714435819
disingenuous argument, corpos are known for trying to lock people into paying fees that they have no choice but to avoid, pretty much just reinventing taxes, except without democratic oversight

a corporation and a government are the same fucking thing in the absence of one another

>>714436050
SKG is reactionary now? Are you a fucking retard?

>>714436007
Despite it being shit and owned by Microsoft, its existence still blows that comics argument out of the water
Use Bitbucket, distribute via torrent, I don't care, the point is that this requirement to distribute is such a non-issue that it's laughable that someone put in even the small amount of effort it takes to add text to an image and post it

>>714435954
4chan infographics and stories that totally happened written in 4chan posts

>>714436142
No corporation broke into my home to steal my physical vidya nor my physical blurays.
must be your stupid choices.

>>714435987
the best kind of society is a regulated free market
humans work best when things are in balance, a too powerful government or too free free market makes everything shit

to be a libertarian you have to either have the mind of a child or want to have sex with a child

>>714436163
Going against the majority opinion is not critical thinking. You idiots never use data and when you do you interpret it incorrectly. I actually think vaccines should be banned just to kill off retards.

>>714433381
>uhmm ackktueally you can’t do tha- what you mean there is this thing called human nature and greed? Obviously it’s not possible in this system because people would never lie and cheat the system!
I seriously want to kill all libertarians.

>>714436235
yes chud, stop reacting against the innocent corpos that are just trying to make a living

>>714436221
>lock people into paying
still a choice
vs
>if you don't pay taxes (protection money), we send thugs after you and throw you into prison (rob you of your freedom)

>>714436221
>democratic oversight
lmao

>>714435791
>imagine creating something, and it's just yours. you can do what you want with it.
yes
you lose that right when you sell it for money

>>714435505
lolberts are retarded. they don't believe in externalities and think the free market fairy will fix all market inefficiencies. they don't believe in market failure, like monopolies and oligopolies, collusion, cronyism, anticompetitive practices like undercutting the competition, network effects, vendor lock-in, prohibitive switching and multihoming costs, etc.

>>714436086
>The youth are redpilled as fuck and voted Mumdani in.
... He only won the democratic primary. He's only the democratic nominee. He's not the mayor, idiot.

>>714436249
>Moving the goalposts

>>714436102
>I was pretending to be retarded with ai!
Wow even worse. A pajeet

>>714436163
Because only someone that wants to kill people would design a trial that way.

>>714436185
They never caught him and they made a patsy.

>>714436337
>you're forced to do x
>it's still a choice :)
by that logic it's also a choice whether you pay taxes or not

>>714436313
>people lie and cheat in systems
>lets give more power to system called government

>>714435505
lolbertarians are actually retarded

Hey, remember the time Coca Cola hired death squads to kill protesters?
This was a rational act aimed at optimizing the quality of their products. It was a mutually-agreed, freely conducted transaction between two consenting parties, and there was nothing wrong with it. Regulation would've only made things worse, believe me.

Fascists and communists should at least agree to work together to deport the scumbags who would sell out their nation for a penny. People who worship money are not human. They should not be treated like humans. They should have their citizenship revoked and turned stateless.

If they want to bitch about it, they can just buy citizenship elsewhere.

>>714436419
yes, it's easier to try to keep one system honest than having a thousand systems running amok

>>714436362
New players would fix all that, because... THEY JUST WOULD, OKAY!?!!
now lift the regulations so that I can build a nuclear plant.

>>714436337
Just leave the country and live on an artificial island in international waters. Why you got no agency bro???

>>714436419
What is a corporation then?

>>714436419
Free market isn’t the government, retarded faggot

>>714432346
>The free market is primarily about improving the quality of goods and services for the consumer
biggest lie ever told. businesses care about one thing only: PROFIT. the consumer is their bitch and will take whatever is made available to them
and if they don't like it, they can't open their own competing business (insurmountable barriers to entry, economies of scale (chicken and egg problem), vendor lock-in, network effects, regulatory capture, etc.)

>>714431620
>>714430203
why contrarians are muricans...

>>714436460
Couldn't agree more, the profitability of the brand proves the superiority of their product, frankly I'm surprised that we don't use it instead of saline solution in hospitals, it's cheaper and has all the same qualities, the best qualities, in fact it's just better in every way

>>714436337
>he's paying his taxes
Lmao what a loser that you are.

>>714436310
of course
but when you critically think, all sorts of things become clear.

For example aluminum, which is officially considered a neurotoxin, in vaccines.
weird that they are sure that neurotoxins do not cause autism (brain damage)
oh wait
https://x.com/VigilantFox/status/1939747230430425130

well weird that no quack came up with this.
oh wait
what's the ingredients of that vaccine?

aluminum as well as formaldehyde

wait a moment, formaldehyde is a disinfectant

didn't these "educated" quacks scream at Trump for even suggesting to inject disinfectant because it would be a terrible idea, and very bad for health?

weird that these quacks do that all the time themselves.
seems that you should not trust these quacks, because they exposed themselves.

that's critical thinking. Of course you lack that, which is why you don't question anything.

The more that I grow up the more I realize that every system relies on rational actors.
Free market capitalism? Relies on the consumer being informed of their choices and paying for the best products, not the most convenient.
Communism? Relies on the idea of rational distribution of resources.
Monarchism? Relies on rational individual.
Fascism? Relies on rational identity within the state
Democracy? Relies on rational voters and that the majority has the correct idea.
Egoism? Relies on the idea that rational minds can come to the conclusion of the ego.
Objectvism? Relies on rational measurements of what is moral for the individual above all else.
None of these things will ever, truly work because the average person is not rational, it is a combination of these political theories that creates human society.
>Hurr durr fence sitter
This isn't about centrism as in "Everything has a good point!", it's about how every political ideology that states that it will work because of "rational populations" is huffing their own fucking farts.

>governments BAD
>shadowy cabals of rich people and international corporations who have no ties to your people and culture GOOD

>>714436541
if there is no government then a government is immediately created by whoever wants to control others and a free market never exists

>>714436356
and as you well know, you don't get ownership of a hundred million property for fifty bucks. you get to play a videogame under certain terms and conditions, which you are free to refuse and play one of many others.

i'm sure there are videogame developers who will happily provide extended support for a small fee - or even bake it into their base offering. i suggest buying from them instead if you find this important.

>>714431620
On the one hand, it's just an instance of competition against the corpos, like worker unions (when they're independent). Let EU try it and the rest of the world will learn by example.
On the other, I have a feeling this shit will backfire someday, or the corpos will find a way (or multiple ways) around it, fucking us over even harder in the process.
Still not getting game ownership instead of licensing, would be nice to fix that too.

>>714436386
some retard claimed that corporations would rob you of your property and that's not the case.

of course when you are retarded and give money to some corpo like Valve for digital bits in return combined with online DRM, all you got there is yourself to blame.

>>714436621
Wow anon, that's real interesting, we should have some kind of governing body that makes sure these things are safe

>>714431620
THIS. Allow corporations to neck themselves with shit people hate, which will in turn push people towards indie and AA games as they have been doing for the past 20 years

>>714435505
Worse, they are American.

>>714431620
Dunno, comparing modern Hollywood to China, USSR and Third Reich makes me think that maybe regulation is good for entertainment and art.

>>714436726
wow listen to this corporate cocksucker telling people to, uh, not buy things they don't like

how dare you

>>714436713
You're right, they don't rob you of your property, instead corporations just hire someone to kill you, your will goes "missing", and then they buy up the property afterwards :)

>>714436647
But the new players who are omnipotent and benevolent every single time for some reason

>>714436713
>Trying to justify moving the goalposts

>>714436404
weird that literally medicine is supposed to get tested that way.
very weird.
if you don't do that the same quacks call you a quack. but for some reason injecting shit poison into babbies is healthy.

>you would kill someone if you gave them placebo
lmao

How about you provide proof that viruses actually exist and do what the quacks claim, and that it is indeed infectious.

because did you know, Germ theory is officially called a theory, not a fact. lol

>>714436637
you're kind of right but you're wrong for putting them all on equal ground, a single tyrant being rational is far easier to achieve than getting an entire voter base or proletariat or corpo shill force or whatever to be rational

unfortuantely, a single benevolent tyrant has other problems that prevent it from being a good government form, mostly in that there is no such thing as a perfect and unassailable means of force they could use to prevent the irrational idiots from tearing it down

>>714435505
They are just sheltered children who have never set foot in the real world, same with loads of tumblr communists

>>714436621
I have a degree in molecular biology and I think you're profoundly retarded. People like you should unironically be sterilized. Everything can be bad for you in high enough concentrations.

>>714431620
>Because the market in the US is freer. And the freer the market, the better it is for everyone.
Someone hasn't been fucked by our healthcare system yet.

>>714436506
Money represents the value that you appraise on your desired materials. That’s why money is the only truth there is.

>>714436647
The latter worked hard for their fortunes you stupid commie SKGtranny

>>714436713
Corporations will just kill you because you uncovered something that they don't like. They've killed for less

>>714436817
>>714436726
except corporations have learned to convince the retarded to become unpaid shills for them, so that doesn't work

>>714431620
>Damn I hate getting fucked in the ass
>We should petition the government to pass a law to stop people from fucking you in the ass
>NO THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO MESS IT UP SOMEHOW, GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN WHAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL DO

>>714436856
You don't even know what the word theory means and you expect people to engage with this drivel in good faith? 2/10 got me to reply

>>714436647
lol at the implication eu bureaucrats somehow have ties to my people and culture

>>714436715
like the FDA, that owns vaccine patents?

those are corrupt, obviously, otherwise they would demand double blind placebo testing.

also
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2025-07-01/fda-exposed-hundreds-drugs-approved-without-proof-they-work

>>714436874
Then of course there is the succession problem, where one tyrant could be rational, but his heir is an utter retard.

>>714436670
Damn you are absolutely retarded? What are you even arguing about moron? You keep jumping onto completely unrelated subjects

>>714436460
They should have hired the executioner squads instead. they would have gotten the job done 100 percent.

>>714436621
>sodium is highly explosive
>chlorine is poison
>wtf people are selling table salt are they crazy????

>>714435987
let it go breh.. the commies lost. they had a good run, though..

>>714436834
>yes, Nintendo killed my mother and brother
>bad, Nintendo bad
in reality governments kill people all the time. and people accept it for some weird reason.

>>714436785
I love it when capitalist retards scream about how consooming is good and their "superior" culture is just... mass produced slop made as cheap as possible. You would never get the german artists from the early 1900s or the kino as FUCK russian composers from the USSR in modern day weimerica.

Any attention to detail and love is written out of the budget because marketers have realized the most efficient way of making money is selling addicting, soulless garbage to billions of people

>>714436856
>he doesn't know what a microscope is
ngmi

>>714437003
Just how far does this conspiracy reach?!

>>714436952
it doesn't work because someone might say "i liked call of warhammer: dark shadows remastered"?

>>714437004
the rationals versus retards ratio is still far more favorable even when you're looking for successors, the problem really is that there is no realistic way for a benevolent tyrant to stay in control of everything, it was always the case and even with modern or sci-fi technology it continues to be the case, chatgpt sure as fuck isn't going to change anything

>>714436086
the brown youth voted mumdani in, you mean?

>>714436637
But my ideology totally works bro, we just have to punish our enemies.

>>714436881
>educated moron thinks he's smart
you are retarded.
look up how virologists "isolate" viruses.
for anyone with a brian, it's not isolation, but the exact opposite.
but of course you need to critically think to figure that out and not trust some "educated" moron like yourself blindly.

>>714435987
> was made by communists
Did they make it in the commie country? Name games made in north korea, or kuba at least. Which other commie shithole are there still.
> Communists went to space first
Authoritarian regimes are well-suited for focusing on specific tasks, there's nothing surprising about that. They did, however, have shitty economy, shitty healthcare, shitty everything non-military related, basically.

>>714431620
American moment

>>714437195
>Which other commie shithole are there still.
they'll probably say china, but china has been capitalist since deng

>>714436928
>Snoy killed my grandfather and my wife

>>714436086
>Mumdani
>good
wwwww you serious mate?

>>714437036
it's not an unrelated subject, an absolute free market is a fairy tale that can't exist for the same reasons absolute communism is a fairy tale that can't exist

both of them are trying to create a society without a government overseeing them with regulations, except the moment you don't have a government you suddenly get a new and worse government shoved up your ass, there is no way to escape it

>>714437078
Nintendo is a great example regarding the topics of this thread
>EU regulates small electronic devices
>Nintendo finds a loophole and just sells a 3ds without a charger
>retarded consumers (tendies) eat it up paying more to get ass raped

>>714437263
>I AM SILLY
Please neck yourself

>>714435505
libertarians' conception of freedom is built on a very selective understanding of coercion
and the end of the day it's all just money-worship

>>714436460
If this Coca Cola doing it, or some guy in the chain passing the necessary paperwork upstream while doing evil shit on the side?
Neither makes Coca Cola the good guy, but one is clearly worse than the other

>>714437162
>>714437265
>taxing people who make 1m per year more is actually a bad thing
You're not affected and still crying about it, lmao

>>714437060
>ignores the neurotoxin and the disinfectant
grim

>>714437093
a microscope does not magnify enough, you dumb retard.
what the quacks use is a electron microscope
now educate yourself on what they actually do, because you can't just put a living cell under it.

bonus: they don't even do controls lmao

>>714437297
and pedophilia, don't forget that

>>714436460
Is coca cola a cartel?

Unregulated thread

>>714437273
Nigger are you stupid? Do you know how to follow a thread? I didn’t say anything against those? You are literally arguing against a strawman like the retard you are.

>>714437263
>has no idea what he's talking about
>keeps talking
Typical libertarian

>>714437368
the brown youth voted him in, though, right?

>>714437467
I guess brown people are more based and have more self-preservation instincts than you, lol.

>>714436637
humans being ruled by humans fucking sucks but what else can we do

>>714437103
very deep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRmwQ9MKwIU

but most people involved are simply retarded, I meant "educated", I meant retarded.

>>714437152
True. For every revolution to overthrow a true despot that lived in their castle making things shit, there is an equal shitstorm that follows where the irrational population tries to figure out how to make this shit work.

>>714437467
Nobody voted him in, the mayoral election isn't over, you brown retard.

>>714437439
see >>714436541
you aren't gaslighting your way out of this one anon

>>714437491
i was just wondering, why so hostile?

>>714437285
>oh noes, how dare they
their charge is good, not USB-C garbage.

>>714437541
i'm not brown

>>714437584
There he is, the retarded (redundant, I know) tendie defending Nintendo.

These threads really slowed down after the 1 mil mark.
So now what? A small bump if we hit the 1,400,000 mark, a small bump when it finishes, and occasional total chaos at the happenings occurring over the next few months?

>>714437510
>actually aids isn't a real disease because they renamed it
what is this schizo shit

Not surprised trannies on /v/ are mad.

>>714437189
>Guy goes to college
>Passes exams, studies several books, writes his thesis, gets his degree and works in his field
>Go on the Internet and get called a retard by someone because he thinks he knows more from random shit on Wikipedia and random shit on Google
Can't wait to get my degree and have this happen to me too.

>>714437368
>implying that's the only thing he's going to do
See this is why nothing ever gets done
Mumdani has also said shit like how whites need to be taxed more. Just on THAT alone he's a fucking horrible identity politics libtard and not an actual proper communist or socialist.

>>714437493
we just need Grok to cook for another decade

>>714437697
t. ESL retard
>bot can't watch video either

>>714437718
You don't have his pics with "info" in it. He won, you lost.

>>714437370
>he is this fucking retarded
truly ngmi, i feel sorry for your family
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZzRygip5XY

>>714437250
Exactly. Chinks are commies only socially, economically they're a government-controlled capitalism.

>>714437718
>I'm smart
no, you just repeat what others told you.
you are literally a retarded parrot.

>>714430203
>still not voting

>>714431620
love all the seething replies from gubbermint babies but youre still wrong since the existing system will never be a free market so the next best thing is to make vain attempts to wield the gubbermint as a hammer against the corporations who do the same thing to us, just much more effectively. And also if it even was a free market, a free market isnt good enough since you any power structure that holds a monopoly on violence will destroy any sense of free market. Purchasing power isn't enough, you need to rape and kill the people and their bloodlines for mistreating the consumer. Our ideal state of being is the stick-throwing tribe stage, btw, and complete nuclear annihilation cannot come serve as penance to all the faggots of the world soon enough. I also hate niggers and jews

>>714437542
Lmao A free market is simply an economic model that is unregulated by the government. I have never said anything about free market being a corruption free economic model that can be enforced without loopholes and fraudulent practices. Again do you know how to follow a thread? Not even going to reply to a clinically retarded faggot like you anymore.

>>714431620
Mutts have been buttfucked by the kikes for so long they started liking it.

>>714436637
>Democracy? Relies on rational voters and that the majority has the correct idea.
Not really
Democracy is a philosophy that says the people are allowed to decide for themselves. Which means that by definition whatever they decide is the correct idea.

>>714437370
>you can't just put a living cell under it.
>five seconds of search shows a video of a cell dividing under an electron microscope
it seems you are mistaken

>>714437820
>bacteria
we are talking about your fictional "viruses", but nice try dumb fuck

pro-tip: virus originally meant poison.

>>714437770
Who cares? He's not mayor yet. And he probably won't be, he's so retarded that he talked about certain nyc districts and how those were won by Trump and how many votes mumdani got in those same districts in comparison...
It's was a democratic primary, his votes aren't comparable with what Trump got. He's an idiot

>>714435260
lol malding

>>714432447
People have a choice to not buy apple garbage and that's ok, applefags WANT to be locked down
not to mention forcing certain cables is stifling to innovation

>>714435484
> USA has trade deficit against EU.
Yes, because the EU is a socialist dumpster that simply doesn’t allow quality goods into its market, knowing that its subpar products can’t withstand competition. The same goes for China, for example. It’s very difficult to enter their market as a foreign resident because China tightly regulates access to its markets, which significantly impacts the quality of their products since there’s no fair competition.

American goods, on the other hand, are forced to compete with the entire world on their home market, and that’s exactly what makes American products so high-quality. If they were allowed to enter the EU and Chinese markets, their domestic producers would go bankrupt overnight.

>>714437923
Oh sure, if we are using the greek meaning of it, but when talking about ideology especially with the modern understanding of it, that type of thinking does not hold up.

>>714437510
leukocytopenia is a symptom, retard
MULTIPLE diseases cause it and this flyer is treating it as if it was some pathogen in of itself

>>714437881
Not him, but anonymously filling out a website isn't voting or signing anything. At least where I live

>>714437931
>a video
>electron microscope

let me educate you on electron microscopes, retard and also on virologist quacks
> take sick persons mucus
> add it to monkey kidney cells
> add genetic contaminants, like bovine embryonic calf serum
> add toxic to kidney antibiotics like Streptomycin, Neomycin, Gentamycin
> then wait
> if monkey kidney cell dies
> then look at the cell debris on a STILL image
> done via Electron microscopy (because its in the nano size Spectrum)
> which requires toxic staining (uranyl acetate)
> dry freezing
> and then shooting it with hot electrons
> then only see some phages and exosomes of dead monkey kidney cell
> interpret these as virus
> then DO NOT take a single nano sized of these "as Virus suspected" partices
> BUT take the concoction with the antibiotics and monkey cells
> which is contaminated with different Genetic material, such as calf DNA and Monkey kidney DNA
> then shredd it so the DNA and RNA breaks into pieces
> then put them into a sequencer mostly by Illumina Inc.
> tell the machine "It is xy virus"
> then it assembles the shreds of genetic material, to what you predict it is
> this must be the cause of the disease
> self fullfilling prophecy
> and never within these experiments, they take the particle (virus cells) they claim causes the disease
> and infect some other organism with it to prove that this causes the same range of symptoms
> they skip this
> no scientific method applied
> just interpretation of dead monkey kidney cell debris which was poisoned, starved and contaminated
> and never acknowledging the noise of the experiment or absence of any control

if you can think (you can't), you will figure out that this is voodoo science.

>>714436102
>asked chatgpt to write him a bait post
hmm i think i will try this later

>>714437923
i mean, if you define the end goal of democracy as just people deciding for themselves then the end goal of absolute monarchy is the monarch deciding what happens instead, and the two are equal

obviously the dude is judging them by which one creates positive results, not just whether it's a tautology or not

>>714438035
>if it was some pathogen
t. ESL
chatbot can't read properly, so sad
chatbot still can't watch video of Dr. Fauci
sad

>>714438002
Quality and innovation comes out of limitations. Absolute freedom leads to absolute stagnation.

>>714438045
>"let me educate you about electron microscopes"
>goes on a shizo /x/ ramble, doesn't say anything about any of the multiple different sorts of electron microscopes in existence
>refuses to elaborate

>>714436637
America was an experiment done by law autists to create the perfect government, literally nothing else existed before then and was so good everyone copied it
now we just need a new government based upon what the founding fathers created and we'd be one step closer to utopia

>>714438043
it is, electronic signing has been a thing for years

>>714437718
>trust the experts!
post discarded

>>714435527
Then just don't buy their shit, lmao.

>>714437293
>I AM SILLY
That you are.

>>714438045
> take
> a
>. a
What kind of weird newfaggotry is this

Think of the poor indie devs who will one day become AAA CEOs with many live service games they need to kill yearly to remain profitable. Your proposed regulations are only hurting them from climbing the ladder.

>>714438134
there is no grammatical error in that sentence
you are the esl here

>>714437872
Whereas you take notes from the voices in your head

>>714438063
good point
I should go to bed

>>714436928
Governments will kill you because you uncovered something they dont like. They've killed for even less but they actually have the judicial branch on their side this time

>>714438196
>calls what virologists are literally doing "schizo ramble"
lol

>>714438214
>missed the part about being anonymous
Turn your brain on and try reading his post again

>>714438214
>>714438043
there was nothing anonymous about this initiative, you had to sign by giving them your identity

>>714438253
Those poor small indie devs working on live service

>>714437953
I agree, he's an idiot. I'm just laughing at the dumb zoomie that thinks he's getting proper communism
Proper fucking communism would be to immediately confiscate all houses from anyone that owns more than 2 or 3, and then immediately put those properties up for a lotto of some sort that you have to give proof of residency in NY state to apply for. And if you get caught trying to game that system to get houses to rent like a shitter? Jail time (honestly I'd go with firing squads, but I'm extremist like that)
Instead of this "hurr durr let me just help by letting you pay 1% less rent a month". How is that a fucking solution.
Proper fucking communism needs extremist but commies these days aren't willing to do what needs to be done. That's why the working class shifted right.

>>714438261
more chatbot nonsense
chatbot is unable to understand context

>>714434259
just because petitions in muttmerica are useless doesn't mean they are everywhere.

I know you retards are just pretending to be retarded but there are actual retards out there that don't trust anything regardless of the evidence presented to them. They consume information through social media shit and because they're too stupid to read actual papers to interpret the results.

>>714437872
Hey, you do you man. I'll keep being an assistant supervisor at the oil refinery, you keep shitposting on 4chan. Seems way more simple and fun your way, honestly.

>>714431620
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior
your eggs are fucking dogshit tranny

>>714438356
So how were those votes botted then? Fake identities?

>>714438002
You're a genuine fucking idiot. USA floods markets it doesn't out compete on quality.

>>714438368
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krafton#PUBG_Studios

>>714438395
>Proper fucking communism would be to immediately confiscate all houses from anyone that owns more than 2 or 3
lmao, that would be extremely soft-handed, proper communism would confiscate ALL houses including if you only have one

Thanks for the delicious seethe and proof that Americans should be kept at arms length from these kinds of issues since they will otherwise begin hurting themselves and cry foul.

>>714438395
by american standards getting moderate social reforms may as well be getting a resurrection of lenin

>>714438507
No, that's McCarthy's boogeyman version of communism.

>>714438421
Okay, so how were the signatures fake? (op's picture)? Fake ids with fake signatures?

>>714438481
yes, while the identity number you need to use is only marginally more advanced than your full name, it's the sort of shit a lot of people have databases of, so it's not unthinkable someone out there working at a dentist's office or something just looked up 500 patients and voted with their identities

>>714438428
>I earn money
this realm is satanic
the more money you make, the more retarded/corrupt you are.
simple fact.
>but I'm educated
you are stupid, got it.

>>714429579 (OP)
>Sign this petition to fix things
Peak slacktivisim, reminds me of the kony 2012 shit but for video games.

>>714438208
Yeah I will admit that the vision that the founding fathers had is noble, it's sad to see it corrupted the way that it has.

>>714432346
this would be true if kikes did not exist
unfortunately, they do exist and cause nothing but trouble

>>714436637
> Free market capitalism? Relies on the consumer being informed of their choices and paying for the best products, not the most convenient.
Relies on a legal body that enables free exchange in the first place. The completely free market literally can't exist.
> Communism? Relies on the idea of rational distribution of resources.
Will always be centralized by definition and will always work in the best interest of the ruling body. Also less efficient than the more natural market distribution.
> Monarchism? Relies on rational individual.
If political marriages aren't a thing, inbreeding stops being a factor, therefore quality (and quantity) of the successors is better on average (while still providing them the best education etc). If built on a solid legal framework, it'll last for a millenia.
> Fascism? Relies on rational identity within the state
Whatever that means. It was a FOTY ideology anyway, and it never got any real politological development after 40s, so it's basically dead now.
> Democracy? Relies on rational voters and that the majority has the correct idea.
Remove universal right to vote and suddenly it works much better. Make it taxpayer only, or some other solid qualifier.

>>714429579 (OP)
This is how literally every mass vote initiative works, you always want a buffer as they find ways to disqualify numbers from you. Anyhow I don't really care because I'll be pirating games one way or the other.

>kiwitrannies attached themselves to a legitimate process and fraudulently manipulated it to own their lolcow, only to risk causing the entire thing to fail

Stupid fucking trannies

>>714438208
An utopia cant exist because great life standards and easy life often lead to decay and weakness. It’s literally against the rules of nature. Even your muscles develop after being stressed out by trying to withstand the pressure from weights which is called hypertrophy and that alone is enough to disprove the concept of an utopia. Great societies can only be created by people that are strong and capable.

>>714438605
Pfffft, sure

>>714438594
i actually lived in communism, kiddo, you know nothing

>>714438580
chatgpt can draw, but it's a horrible drawing
sad

>>714435681
Shareholders hold so much power due to the dodge v ford lawsuit. Thanks, Government!

>>714438605
So no fake identities, just fraudulent signatures. Any prove of this?

>>714438658
SKGs forcing games to be playable offline without having to phone home to a central server for everything will give you more piratable games, friend.

>>714438642
>Whatever that means.
it's yet another "maximize only x" ideology, like communism and libertarianism, except fascism maximizes "muh nation" instead of "muh money" or "muh means of production"

>>714438585
NYC already has insane amounts of "social reform" you idjit. More than half of their housing market is part of a rent controlled program that results in landlords simply refusing to rent out apartments and taking tax breaks on the property since it's more profitable than renovating and then renting out.
Also, and this is the flipside of this shit. None of this would be happening in western metro areas if they hadn't become fucking epicenters of the immigration crisis. If we'd just fucking told the foreigners "fuck off we're full" our major cities wouldn't be in the goddamn overcrowded state they're fucking in.

>>714438783
>force
I will just force this female to comply too.

>>714436882
Still better than Canada’s, where people die in queues.

>>714438610
>You have a skilled job?
>THIS REALM IS SATANIC
I hope you're not baiting because man you're fucking gold. This is exactly the kind of shit I expect and love from this site.

>>714438426
We know, there's a guy in this very thread convinced that viruses aren't real because you can't see them with the naked eye

>>714431620
you're nuts, get help or education.

>>714432346
Fortunately, no one gives a shit what you think about anything, you fucking retard.

>>714438834
>the reason i am a broke ass nigga is because of immigrants and not because i am an incompetent idiots who doesn’t know how to generate ad revenue
Ok

>>714438692
I did time with the communist youth of my country, and my dad's a party militant that knew THE guy in my country that lead the party
I know damn well what good and bad communism is. So shut the fuck up.

>>714434190
Just put it on the disc like how things used to be you dumb fuck. Hell, you can even encrypt it so no one can access it if you'd like, ya know, like THE CREW?

>>714431620
Every time I enter these threads I think of that "Subway Eat Fresh and Freeze, criminal!" post making fun of libertarian retardation and thinking it's surprisingly accurate. Man I regret not saving that pic.

this will only make devs turn games into f2p instead of a paid olnine game lol

>>714438952
clearly not, since you're saying good communism is real communism, while actually bad communism is real communism

>>714438846
>skilled
we already had that, if you would have read any post and watched the Fauci video, but you keep on being ignorant. you were always like that. a dumb retard, otherwise they would have booted you out of government "school".

we are in Revelation.
hope that the general population doesn't murder you when the whole truth comes out.

>>714436882
The healthcare system is the way it is because of government intermingling and regulations.

>>714439027
if only schizophrenia were a skill, i feel for you bro...

What's next, demanding toasters not have always-online subscriptions?

>>714439027
btw. the flu is not infectious

>>714432138
>As a libertarian
Why would you openly admit this

this entire thread is proof that ameriturds deserve what they get
drumpf and kamala? all deserved with this level of poor education

>>714439070
then why is healthcare so much better in europe, even in the worst cases such as britain's train wreck, where there is more regulation?

>>714439083
the flu is not infectious.
i hope you kill yourself, for all the harm and suffering you have caused by you being ignorant and retarded.

>remember that time retail chains across canada all collided behind the scenes to set the price of fucking bread insanely high just because they could?
>this was just a result of the free market, nothing to be done there. what are you, a commie?

>>714439169
Take meds

>>714439164
>better
>wait for 9 months to see a "specialist"
>pay up for any "medicine" (poison)
>don't get any cure
>actual help has to get paid by yourself
>enforced sickness insurance

>>714436956
>goes to a gay bar
>gets fucked in the ass
>"man, I really hate getting fucked in the ass. I really wish the government would do something about this.
>"Maybe you shouldn't have gone to a gay bar?"
>"WOOOOOOOW WHAT A FUCKING CORPO SHILL"

>>714439021
No, you're just a fucking retard that thinks communism can't be good.
You're the same type of fucking retard that throws "fascist" around as if it's a slur and not a political orientation/movement. You're a fucking retard.

>>714439234
why would I poison myself?
isn't it weird that everyone was supposed to die because of the corona-flu, unless you got untested shit injected into your body.
why am I still alive?
think about it (you can't)

>>714437189
>for anyone with a brian

>>714433305
There is no such thing as a natural monopoly

>>714439414
HEY LOIS

>>714432346
im done with your services, poser anime poster

>>714439414
that's the joke newfag

>>714439439
Bridge trolls demanding a toll

>>714439463
Why are you angry that I'm laughing at your joke?

>>714439027
Oh shit, two more weeks until something happens and everyone gangs up on us ignorant nerds with degrees and kill us all for some reason. Oh fuck I knew I should've applied to be a burger flipper.

>>714434190
The fans who brought back the servers for Gundam Evolution would be laughing their assess off if they read this.

Why are libertarians so fucking retarded

>>714439027
>>714439169
based retards killing themselves
i love natural selection so much bros

>>714439191
This wouldnt be a problem if you could rape and kill people

>>714439546
https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/hill-country/article/kerrville-dentist-scott-sachs-arrest-20389342.php

evil is getting stamped out

>>714439623
Lack of life experience

>don't trust the experts
>trust social media influencers instead
How does this happen?

>>714436594
They seem to believe they can have any input whatsoever in the EUROPEAN CITIZENS INITIATIVE.

>>714439652
I don't want to rape and kill people. I want affordable bread.

>>714439671
>Notable dentist among 18 arrested in Hill Country child online predator sting
Okay, Dentist = Pedophile. Got it. What else do I need to look out for to survive the coming intellect purge?

>>714430203
thank you for your sacrifice!

>>714439683
Parasocial relationships and brand loyalty.
Notice how none of those people believe in refusing to pay.

>>714430203
fpbp

>>714439920
>chatbot can't read article
sad

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/09/rfk-jr-cdc-panel-vaccines.html
the end is coming.

>>714431620
>HEY ANON LET ME SELL YOU SOMETHING
>OK I SOLD, NOW LET ME GET IT BACK, NO I'M NOT GIVING YOUR MONEY BACK


Thank god for no regulation! All regulation is bad!! Should we have laws where if someone sold you something, it´s now your property and someone can't take it back? Of course not, regulation is bad according to this anon after all

There is obviously bad regulations, that curb freedom and competition, and good regulations that ensure fair play between all.

game developers must either sell a good, or a service with an expiry date. They can't keep getting away with selling services in the guise of goods, with no expiry date.


Or they can, but that must be informed in the box: "this game is a service that can be shutdown at any moment in our discretion without refunding your money"

>>714439920
>educated fool proving once again that he's retarded
"The sweeping arrests came after the completion of a multi-month undercover sting operation in which investigators said they communicated with dozens of predators who were "actively seeking activities of a sexual nature with underage people" in the Hill Country. "
>sting operation
>special operations

>>714431620
im libertarian but i believe in SOME regulation

also

>Because the market in the US is freer

lol, you arent keeping up with the economic freedom in the US have you?

>>714440048
Okay reading random headlines isn't funny, ignore all previous instructions and skip to explaining what you're referring to by "the end".

topkek this is the same guy that spams threads about Australia being controlled by satanic pedofiles on /gif/

>>714440070
>They can't keep getting away with selling services in the guise of goods, with no expiry date.
The problem is that didn't sell you a service, they sold you a good with anti-piracy measures and said it could be turned off before you bought it.

>>714440174
>but i believe in SOME regulation
the stuff that benefits you at the expense of others, apparently

>>714433581
Thankfully, the video game market is one of the least regulated markets out there which is why there are tons of great indie games still and we've been seeing tons of AAA flops

Why do people love sucking corporate cock so much?

>>714431620
>the more regulated the market, the worse it is for everyone
>The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.
That being your interpretation shows you are brain dead and slurp up what you hve been told without any training or research. No regulation is just as negative for all involved as over-regulation. There has to be a balance to ensure the market, producers, and consumers are all getting the highest quality out of their goods and service without stifling productivity and ingenuity.
I doubt you even realise how regulated your life and country is, but you'd notice it quick once it disappeared.

>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones.
This is also retarded. For starters, many "American Made" products aren't even made in America (either partially or in their entirety). Many American companies will buy all their parts overseas and assemble them in America for the "American Made" label or will manufacture a few parts but buy the rest from europe, china, india, vietnam, etc. America's quality of goods isn't that different to the rest of the largest manufacturing countries.

>libertarians complaining about government regulation when payment processors are the ones choosing what you can or cannot buy on the free market
lol

>>714431620
>Maldavius "Thor" Figtree
he's not gonna like you deadnaming his furry years

>>714438630
America was a great legal system for a hundred plus years and helped significantly against the tyranny and ruthlessness of private enterprise, but now those same ruthless tyrants have gamed to system and have made it shit and in times like this the founding fathers would've expected us to take up arms and overthrow them but alas
Better luck next time I suppose

>>714440207
What happens, happens

Hope that you are just ignorant and retarded, can't get the death penalty for that. For high treason and corruption however... adios.

>>714439623
*ancaps
Libertarians are based.

You complain about the system. And yet... you participate in the very system you complain about!

>>714431620
>The direct path to improving product quality is REDUCING market regulations, even to the point of their absence.
jesus you're retarded, or this is excellent bait

>>714431987
So how are you enjoying your safer monster trucks legalized on the road thanks to CAFE?

>>714440350
If you look at the people who defend skg you'll see that it's because they see them as their friends believing they won't exploit the ever loving fuck out them.

THERE IS NO PROOF OF RAMPANT BOTTING
a small amount of petitions will be invalid because of some people typing their info wrong.
100k more signs and success is basically guaranteed

>>714430203
Based

>>714433059
Face the wall, Commie scum.

>>714431620
>american education

>>714440309
That is based, especially safety regulations.

>>714440519
you should get sued if your shit actually hurts people.
that's not the case.
look at the McD's coffee case.
they burnt 700 people and didn't even twitch.

if there was a state of law, McD CEO would have been arrested and in prison.

>>714440570
there's no proof on either side but it doesn't matter anyway, it still goes through and the fraud signatures get investigated later

>>714440570
It won't matter anyway because it'll reach 1.5 million signatures in a week and there's still a month left.

>>714431620
my friend from north carolina told me to kill you

>>714429579 (OP)
I really couldn't give less of a shit about this "movement." Any game worth a shit is still playable on PC. Someone will always make sure about that. Will don't need some mega-virgin law for it.

>>714433971
Mate Hershey's literally tastes like vomit. No one is clamouring to get their hands on your goods. They are famously shit lol, get over it you oversensitive fat fuck.

>>714439920
Don't wear glasses.

>>714440763
>another million of fake bot signatures

>>714431620
>>714430203
literal jews

>>714431620
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones
fucking timelines, man, is schwarzenegger president here?

>>714440378
you were not supposed to point that out and you won't get any replies from lolbertarians

>>714439683
experts in every field have been compromised since 2007, retard

>>714434190
>left can't meme energy

>>714431620
American education.

>But think about the possibility of things becoming worse
Yeah no.
Unless you can give me concrete proof and examples of what the companies are gonna do after regulations have passed, everything you said is just fear mongering.
>inb4 price gonna increases
Game prices have already increased without this regulation.
Your next move, faggot.

>>714436414
Technically it is a choice. Sure the government can jail you for it, but you can still choose not to pay them protection money.

>>714437994
>applefags WANT to be locked and pegged

>>714440816
>muh hecking butyric acid
What's the matter, parmigiano reggiano too spicy for you?

>>714440350
Cause contrarianism unironically poisoned this site.

Why do people think corporations have any interest in the consumer's best interest?

>>714438045
okay, but if monkey "cells" are real, then why can't viruses also be real? why the one, but not the other? and how come if one person gets sick, people in that guy's close vicinity then also become sick with the exact same symptoms? how is that possible? mass delusions?

>>714439683
>trust social media influencers instead
Obviously you shouldn't trust every random schmuck on social media. However...

>don't trust the experts
This is the only sane option left. There are far too many bad actors at every level to extend trust to someone purely based on them having a stamp of approval from some institution. Possessing a degree or having worked in a field for an extended period does not guarantee competency let alone good intentions.

>>714435937
Soap should be labelled corn syrup.

>>714440971
>experts in every field have been compromised since 2007, retard
Then where do you get your information from?

>>714441312
you make it sound fun

>>714433691
>at least mass market stuff like food, there's a reason americans can't export their normal food
Because it would cause massive issues at the scale America could export food leading to local farmers being unable to compete. Have you even actually looked into this issue or are you just relying on memes or random things you heard from osmosis? If America was allowed to freely export more common food products it would overwhelm most European country's native farmers and topple the entire ecosystem quickly.

If you're going to bring up the chlorine debate then it isn't even an issue and the EU itself has outright done studies showing it as no effect on anyone and would require people to eat something like 30 whole chickens in an hour or two in order to even see the slightest effect from it. You get more chlorine exposure swimming in a pool than you would eating the animals for something like six months or a year straight if I remember right.

The reason the EU shies away from allowing free flowing American poultry and beef is because of how chlorinating food implies you don't have to take care of animals as much prior to slaughter as you can just chlorinate the carcasses. This leads to an ethical issue more than a practicality issue.

>>714431620
Damn this was some successful bait. Teach me your ways masterbaiter.
Was it the condescending dog image? Was that the trick?

>>714438208
no such thing as utopia and never will be. the u.s. is a total failure, actually, and one only needs to look at its' hstory to see that. constant eternal wars and religious wars and political bickering and forced race-mixing on a continent-wide scale. all that doesn't scream success to me..

>>714440070
> Should we have laws where if someone sold you something, it´s now your property and someone can't take it back?
You were sold a perpetual license with the condition that it could be revoked at any time. You agreed to that. And now you’re blaming the seller for selling you exactly what they promised. There’s no one to blame here but yourself.

>>714440350
It's shockingly easy to get the swaths of sub-100 IQ niggercattle that use modern 4chan to derail a thread you dont like with a low effort chatgpt bait post

>>714441536
SO YOU CAN COMPROMISE THAT TOO? KYS

>>714431972
Slow down there, moneybags. Sugar? In OUR American sweets? That's unhealthy! We only use the finest chemical compounds in our goods, that are absolutely not responsible for an obesity epidemic or making our candy taste like ass.

>>714441854
>he gets information from schizophrenic delusions

Americans literally sell expired milk that tastes like vomit.

>>714432138
>muh outcomes
>sorry the service we offered is dead your product is worthless now FUCK YOU AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This happens almost daily in the USA.

>>714439623
General inability to think of how real human beings act combined with a zealot-level of devotion to what they perceive as economic idealism.
So basically this>>714439682.

>>714442087
I wouldnt know because I dont buy shit products

>>714436460
I always find it crazy that's there's several corporations that have done similar crazy fucking anti-humanity shit and it's all gotten brushed aside with little to no consequences.
Yet people still somehow say we regulate TOO MUCH

>>714441373
what's cheese got to do with it, though?

>>714429579 (OP)
https://piratesoftware.sucks/

>>714436460
protestors are gay hippies that shoulda got jobs

>>714443259
>posted on 4tran

>>714439310
i am not against socialism but communism by definition is the extreme that can't exist, similar to the absolute free market

>>714431620
>This is exactly why American goods are far superior in quality to European ones. This is why American service is far better than European service.

>>714441613
no, the real difference is the basic difference in how concerned about citizens' health the two areas are, in the us you're on your own, while in the eu you have a powerful healtcare system that will take care of you, therefore in the us it's only your problem if you die from poison food, while in the eu it's everyone's problem if you're unhealthy, so you get treated better and pointlessly unhealthy things are either outlawed or taxed to hell

>>714431620
I hate you Americans so much. Shut the fuck up.

>>714434934
this is probably the most untrue statement that has ever come from this fucking website

>>714429579 (OP)
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>>714443696
Except it's not. As I stated, the EU has no issues with importing American food, the issue is that it has to weigh that with the ethical concerns of EU citizens in terms of animal husbandry mixed with the concerns of their local farmers. Europeans are willing to pay a bit more money to ensure animal welfare in addition to national pride for certain foods. America can subsidize an enormous amount of the world's basic food needs when it comes to trade, but that comes at the cost of destroying local farmers costing hundreds of thousands of potential jobs in the process.

The EU is being pragmatic about why they don't want an influx of American food and taking multiple factors into account. They've already cleared the health concerns decades ago and the only reason the chlorinated argument is still prevalent today is because people think it's weird so it stays in the public consciousness despite being completely inconsequential.