Thread 714429818

Been looking at emulating metal Gear Solid. And in some screenshots, shaders that emulate a CRT seem to provide better detail?
What are your thoughts on using shaders? Which ones?

Just throw CRT Royale on it and play the game

dumb phoneposter

Can never figure out which one to use so I don't play in the end

>>714429818 (OP)
I'm using the newest CRT Guest Advanced and I'm liking it so far.

>>714429818 (OP)
emulating is for niggers
I just pirate

>>714430939
This. I full autismo settings for an hour or two than play some modern game to relax.

>>714429818 (OP)
The screenshot you used isn't using a shader, though. It just increased the resolution of the displayed graphics so they aren't pixelated.

*opens a can of monster*
Yep. Just like what my old TV used to look like.

>>714434737
You're right. I was quickly just trying to find something on Google. But I was looking at this recently too and some of the shaders make introduce some clarity by blending some of the lower resolution and pixelated UIs.
https://youtu.be/28u6RoYiCWI?t=226

>>714429818 (OP)
Retro Crisis has the best CRT shaders

>>714429818 (OP)
yeah i use various reshade filters, i have a couple of different presets i play around with

>>714429818 (OP)
I've only recently started messing with that stuff and all I've done is increase the resolution. For all my life I've been a "well default seems to work fine I'm not gonna mess with it" emulation player. It's fun to fuck about though. I should mess with more options.

>>714429818 (OP)
Shader save Digimon world 2003 garbage 3D

>>714440978
this is what i used for these, i actually use a slightly different setup now that adds composite noise which is more SOVLFVL but this is a little lighter so i could see this being better for most people. i've also used it in a few modern games, it looks really good in Elden Ring actually.

>>714429818 (OP)
when resolutions are still rather low, most sprites are designed with CRT in mind.

>>714429818 (OP)
dithering techniques definitely need CRT effect. Hell modern games that uses dithered rendering on stuff like hair are literally designed to relies on TAA blurring to blend them.

Something about CRT shaders always looks off. They tend to darken the image too much and don't soften things enough. Comparing to my CRT TV, which doesn't get super bright like modern displays but the picture still looks properly lit and even glows a little.

>>714429818 (OP)
only to recreate effects like ntsc artifacting, dithering to AA (and make moonrunes readable too),.
just slapping filters with no rhyme or reason sucks though. especially when you have super smooth 3D models and pixellated, blocky 2D textures

>>714430742
CRT Royale needs really high resolution to display properly, or you're going to get really obvious artifacts

>>714429818 (OP)
No? What's the point of emulating if you do that? That's modding, not emulating.

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>>714441871
you got the same for command and conquer?

>>714441672
some 3d models seems to work better when downsampled, and the emulator actually have a custom setting that.

>>714429818 (OP)
5th gen and below: CRT/LCD shader always
6th gen: depends on the game

this includes old pc games

>>714442232
PC monitors are sort of slight different or have much higher resolution than the tvs of the time.

>>714429818 (OP)
which shader is on the left? I really like the way it looks

yeah, but the screenshots always look off vs what I see on the screen

>>714442383
I was playing Blood Omen for the first time and HoMM3 later and was wondering what shaders would be the ideal ones, but I had no idea so I just used the same one I use with PS1 games

>>714442232
old computer game sometimes literally requires specific kind of monitors to display correctly

>>714441774
what's the best alternative for 1080p then?

If I ever make my own game it will be LOTD+Legaia combat. Gonna be sick

>>714442596
You need really high resolution but downsample the internet resolution. Some emulators have a built in setting for that.

>>714442723
>internet resolution

>>714442595
It seems to apply to some console games/ports

when I play a 3D game like Phantasy Star Portable 2 Infinity I don't but other than that I do

>>714441332
I remember playing Capcom vs SNK 2 on the Dreamcast and noticing that Morrigan's sprite was a lot uglier than every other character. And yes, that was on a CRT TV.

>>714429818 (OP)
I like xm29 plus the most.
I think most of the comparisons rolling over here use that one.

>>714429818 (OP)
No arrangement of pixels exist that can cause a modern flat panel to emulate a CRT. Its impossible. CRT shaders produce highly offensive caricatures of what a CRT is.

>>714443021
>No arrangement of pixels exist that can cause a modern flat panel to emulate a CRT. Its impossible. CRT shaders produce highly offensive caricatures of what a CRT is.

I did a playthrough of Legend of Legia recently on emulator. I played it but never finished it as a kid. I enjoyed using an emulator, because I got to use a 'turbo button' during battles (which would have been too painful without). Also I save-scummed the casino mini-games. It was a fun game, I enjoyed finally beating it.

>>714442929
They literally ported her sprites from her game, while they made new sprites for the other fighters that suits the better resolution.
There's was a meme image edit of directly editing that Morrigan sprites into increasingly higher detailed games

Why does the filter completely change the color temperature?

Even with all this evidence to how it just looks better with a shadowmask or aperture grill dots and scanlines there are still

>idiots who want raw pixel
They think that "the best" tv sets back in the day would have shown raw pixel display for some reason
>old timers who dont know how good shaders are now
They think shit like x2Sai is how it all still looks
>absolute fucking momgs who think x2Sai vaseline shit looks good
God help them.

>>714443130
because it draw black lines between the pixels

>>714443021
Even if you cannot get 100% of the effect, you can get a reasonable approximation.

>>714443129
Don't know that one, but this made me chuckle.

>>714442964
Yeah, most likely, because they're all orange as hell.

>>714443021
buy me a real CRT then if you care so much bitch

>endless supply of fake comparisons
Embarrassing.

>>714440808
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>>714440978
Oh damn, yeah! That replicates exactly how I remember Legend of Legaia looking.

>>714429818 (OP)
I like using a variant of CRT Royale with Blur Busters Beam CRT Beam Simulator

fun times

>>714436332
man, I wish we could get a new (not shit) MMX game. this is art

>>714442460
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>>714442796
peak gaming. excellent art. man, video games really have gone to shit.

>>714440808
>>714440891
>>714440978
>stretched

we need a rayman 1 comparison

Are there any examples for Final Fantasy Tactics?

>>714444334
https://forums.libretro.com/t/please-show-off-what-crt-shaders-can-do/19193/169

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>>714441474
The filters are getting better and better but it still kinda bugs me that its just an overlay. I don't think this is an actually solvable issue and its minor anyway, but a CRT "renders" the pixels as glowing blobs. The overlay is still making crisp square pixels and just applying a blur after. The look will never be completely right and it triggers me.

Still - what shaders?

>>714429818 (OP)
Certain kind of LCDs can ruin sprites even more

>>714444542
imagine playing a game like this

>>714429818 (OP)
Yes. I emulate on a CRT TV but i still use shaders to control the horizontal and vertical signal bandwidth.
Because my setup (PC with VGA to Component Transcoder) outputs a signal to the CRT that is 100 times sharper than any OG hardware would output. So it needs toning down a little.

I sometimes even ad NTSC shaders if i'm playing NES games for example, coz they just don't look right without it.
>What are your thoughts on using shaders? Which ones?
Lottes is probably the best all round one if you're emulating on a modern screen.
But whatever shader you use you have to learn what the parameters are in retroarch, that way you can tweak the shader to look exactly how you want.
Too much blur? tong it down a littler
Don't like curvature? turn it off
etc.

By tweaking parameters in lottes and other shaders in retroarch you can make the screen look like any kind of CRT - from a shitty 14 inch slot mask running via an RF cable, to a beautiful RGB arcade monitor, all the way up to a ridiculous razor sharp Sony BVM broadcast monitor.

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>>714445439
And one final thing i'll ad.
While shaders are absolutely mandatory for making low res games look correct, and they really are amazing - they do not fix the absolute worst problem with modern screens. Motion blur.

>>714443680
You clearly have no need for a real CRT. You are happy with your blasphemous lie.

In these cursed times, where out lords holy temples have been destroyed. His presence on this realm wanes. We must accept that many of us can no longer live within is sacred light. His avatars on this mortal plane grow scarce. But we can still keep his light within our hearts and not turn to graven images most foul.

>>714429818 (OP)
I play my games on a CRT (off of original hardware)

Brainlet here, can CRTs not be made anymore? As in I know that they're not being sold anymore, but are they physically unable to be conveniently produced if you wanted to?

Legend of Legaia put my JRPG standards through the roof right at the start

>>714445904
catbox?

>>714445904
If they are being made it's only in China/India. "New" TVs are found, composite only, and they're likely new-old stock, generic boards, and cheap production. They're probably okay though. Only way to buy them is to get a pallet of 1000, so obviously no one does in America.

>>714445904
CRT production and transport are very expensive compared to flatscreens. So prohibitively expensive that the niche audience who would even buy a new CRT instead of picking one up for free on the side of the road could never make up the costs to set up a factory. They were only cheap in the past because they were the only option so all the factories were tooled for producing them.

>>714445904
Yeah, you need a whole production line, not the sort of shit you can make in your garage, they're kind of a pain in the ass and you need a billion identical diodes.

>>714445651
yeah that's what i thought you white bread ass nigga

>>714429818 (OP)
>Legend of Legaia
HO HA HYEA!
>gizard gets 30 damage
This is just an exaggeration but those combos in the beginning looked so badass to just deal so little damage. kek
Gala > everyone else
>>714441474
How do you do that? I have never changed the filter in my emulator?

>>714445904
There are zero new CRTs being made (at least mass produced ones) but the funny thing is they are still dirt cheap from how many fucking CRTs there were from the past and have zero demand outside gaming autists
So it's a problem but not a problem at the same time

>>714429818 (OP)
CRT Royale and similar shaders often allow textures to blurr in the way they were intended on the OG hardware. Most consoles had a built in bilinear filter of some sort.

i hate fags obsessed with filters and shaders, but i enjoy the NTSC blargg filter on Mesen-S

>>714429818 (OP)
Come to think of it, are there CRTfags for other mediums? Cel-animated anime and cartoons, old movies, that kind of thing

>>714429818 (OP)
CRT Royale S-video or Composite

>>714447213
vinylfags for music, VHS/betamax/laserdisc fags for film

>>714447213
there's a reasonable argument to be made that you should watch lain on a crt

Funny that this thread popped up when I just started using retroarch again. Is anyone else having trouble with even just picking shaders while using certain cores or using a renderer that isn't opengl? I can't use shaders at all with vulkan or glcore, and most shaders are broken with gl. Interestingly, I was able to pick crt-royale with swanstation and vulkan, but I can't pick anything else.

Also, I want to know if there's any decent desktop alternative to retroarch that still uses libretro. The interface is ridiculous.

>>714447213
I listen to music on cassette a lot. They really get a bad rep which I feel comes from people either buying poorly mixed albums or playing their tapes on subpar setups.
Of course your cassette player in the car which is constantly shaking and heating up is gonna eat the tape.

>>714442596
I was still pretty satisfied with Royale at 1080p for the time I used it, I think it works fine
but I also used the XM29 version with the orange tint off with Super2xSaI on top
makes the image come alive a bit but I liked how it looked

>>714429818 (OP)
I got my CRT running again some time ago and can't see myself going back, but shaders are still great and I'd use them always
been almost 3 years though so I dunno what's the best one these days

>>714448012
it's the worst, most nonsensical interface of any program i've used. i just use individual emulators for everything, keeping all the settings consistent across them all can be a hassle but at least it all makes sense

>>714447213
early digital paint anime probably looks better on crt

>>714449987
>most nonsensical interface of any program i've used
They tried to copy the PS3's menu but didn't realize it only works if you have a handful of options and categories.

>>714447213
>he doesn’t know about VHS warm colors

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>>714442129
Most of the benefit in these just comes from raising the gamma and contrast desu

>>714440891
Legaia battle system is something, inputting command to execute moves is cool

>>714445904
too expensive to make a factory to make parts, it's like someone making a new Ford factory to produce Model T cars (though those would likely sell better than CRTs, too)

>>714447213
did you think obsessions with outdated tech was invented with crtfags or something? do you not remember the vinyl and cassette obsession in the late 00s and early 10s with hipsters

>>714448012
>Is anyone else having trouble with even just picking shaders while using certain cores or using a renderer that isn't opengl? I can't use shaders at all with vulkan or glcore, and most shaders are broken with gl. Interestingly, I was able to pick crt-royale with swanstation and vulkan, but I can't pick anything else.
iirc the shaders are divided in three folders, one for opengl, one for vulkan and one for directx, if your current emulator is using vulkan, nothing will show up in the other two folders

>I want to know if there's any decent desktop alternative to retroarch that still uses libretro. The interface is ridiculous.
shaderglass, but it's not as good as retroarch (for shaders)

>>714447213
I remember reading somewhere that theres people obsessed with the lazerdisc version of LOGH so probably

>>714443325
Can't remake perfection.

>>714445517
that's the nature of that technology