Why would Phil cancel something he clearly cares greatly about?

Indians ruined Microsoft

>>714440024 (OP)
Game has been in development for 7 years. And all they have to show for was a vertical slice.

He's gone on record as being worried that games are getting too addictive and losing their soul in the process. He wants them to become high art, not cocaine.

>>714440024 (OP)
fake news

>>714440024 (OP)
Realize that Phil Spencer's entire reason for existing is to steer Xbox toward ruination

>>714440024 (OP)
Is Phil even in charge of anything? I thought that black lady took over like 2 years ago?

>>714441003
he's her direct superior. she takes over soon though

God I wish she would take over my bussy

>So you played a demo for it?
>Oh yeah
>What was it like?
>Oh man I loved it I played it so much they had to pull the controllers away from me
>Then why was it cancelled
>We'll we have great people, great products, amazing teams but you know this product just wasn't going to achieve what we were looking for in this space
>The game was dogshit, everything he said was a lie
There you go

>>714440024 (OP)
phil was trying to see more of the half assed game they were working on so they had to kick him out before he realized they had nothing

Phil was supposed to be their Reggie, but now he's just the whipping boy. He doesn't have a say in a company wide initiative to slash workforce. Until someone comes along and cuts off access to the pajeet feed trough that is the modern western software industry we will see this continue to happen

>>714440024 (OP)
Doesn't Phil have like 200 hours in Vampire Survivors? The game probably sucked

>>714440024 (OP)
The game in question was Starfield online. It was never going to be the next big thing

>>714440024 (OP)
I love my children, but if my son needs to die for gay rights in Ukraine then I am ready to send him off to die.

>>714440024 (OP)
>couldn't be pulled away
Of course not he was fantasizing about firing all those people. Gets him rock hard.

>>714443210
>you must fight
>not me you do it
Lazy cunt.

Have you ever enjoyed a video game so much that someone has had to physically pull the controller form your hands for you to stop playing?

Seriously what happened to all Microsoft studios?, I mean Sony invested in GAAS but it isn't normal that ton of studios from Microsft were in development hell, was really hard to make a Perfect Dark game? they can even remake the first game
Same with Rare, they didn't show nothing in years, what do you expect?

You now remember Redfall.

Maybe he had shit taste but is aware of that fact.
>i like this game, but my taste is shit so it must be bad

>>714440024 (OP)
Just because you enjoy something, doesn't mean it will sell.
And getting into the "destiny style MMO shooter" market is a risk not worth taking.

I promise you that Phil doesn't play video games and his Xbox account is fake and they pay a pajeet to play on it to give that illusion

>>714443759
MS has the same problem Google has, complete competency crisis and unlimited money. MS wouldn't have been able to do this goofy shit for so long if they weren't a multi trillion dollar tech company. They don't have to care about market pressures or cash flow, which leads to decades of retarded shit. Look at their other blunders, like windows phone, surface laptops, zune, etc.

>>714440193
You're thinking about perfect dark, but this was cancelled for the same reason.

>>714440024 (OP)
Phil just likes talking shit.

>>714444326
for what its worth, outside of xbox they mostly laid off sales, hr, and middle managers. ai may not be able to make "art", but it sure as fuck can replace pencil pushers and corpo girlies.

>>714440024 (OP)
Because it's a lie, he didn't care, they (you, the author) wanted engagement for ad revenue.
Buy an ad

>>714444823
They didn't lay off hr, we don't have hr they are all contractors.
T. Microsoft employee

>>714445216
Okay, fair enough, but sales and managers?

What sort of role btw

>>714440024 (OP)
guess we'll never know. phil's mind is a black hole. no thoughts ever escape it and looking into it to try and figure out its' secrets is impossible..

>>714440024 (OP)
It had to be pulled from his hands because he fell asleep.

>>714443759
Its probably because phil is actually too nice and just lets teams get on with whatever they want, his issue is he kind of expected them to be competent/self driven and they weren't.

>>714445349
Backend engineer for azure

They said it was stated for 2028, way too far out so was cut

what are the odds that phil is a spy working for the koreans/chinese to destroy the industry from within?

>>714440024 (OP)
The quote I read was something more like
>we had to tell him to stop playing so we could start the meeting
Which means absolutely nothing, he was most likely just being polite and giving the game enough time to understand it and some coping retard developer took it as proof he was in love with it.

>>714440024 (OP)
>Planned release date: 2036
>Planned budget: 1.5 billion
>Estimated sales: 42
Yea, I wonder why

>>714445582
How do you feel about the H1B thing? I doubt they're laying off or replacing too many cloud roles.

>>714440024 (OP)
Phil Spencer's like the Pete Docter of video games
Seems like a nice guy who is too much of a trusting idealist to be in charge of things and doesn't do well under the pressure of suits

>>714444326
>windows phone
imagine killing nokia for this. we could have had nokia lumia android phones with peak build quality, fuck microcock.

>>714440024 (OP)
>WoW that was great! team, we will let you do your thing and check on your progress later
5 years later
>Okay team, we really need something to put on gamepass, it has been half a decade, game should be ready for reals...WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY YOU NEED ST LEAST ANOTHER 5 YEARS!!!!????
There, explained

>>714440024 (OP)
Why don't they simply let AI tell them what games to finance. It can't be any worse than what they're doing now, and they could save some money by firing Phil.

>>714440024 (OP)
the line must go up
even if it means destroying your own company in the long run
even if it means destroying your country's industry and leaving everyone jobless outsourcing everything to Asia
the line must go up

>>714447654
What makes you think they aren't doing that

>>714446372
pajeetsoft kills everything they touch/acquire
remember skype?

>>714440024 (OP)
It doesn’t make any sense to make 3a in US given interest rate. They thought GaaS and subscription model can save this but it doesn’t work out.

>>714440024 (OP)
>>714440182
>>714440193
>>714440215
>>714440387
he realize he shouldn't be the audience.

>>714440024 (OP)
he preferred getting a 86th yacht

>>714443759
>>714444326
Phil's big plan was to give a bunch of studios unlimited time and money under the assumption that they would crank out shit to put on gamepass.
Instead unlimited time and money made the devs complacent and gave us games such as Redfall and Starfield. SO the money faucet got turned off after Redfall in particular.
Then thinking that it would all be fine Phill also bought Acti-Blizz-King for trillions and got Microsoft's attention, and made it so Xbox has to actually make its money back.
These purges are the final stage of that process. If your game isn't almost ready to ship your company is getting killed, they don't need you Acti-Blizz-King will eventually make its money back while giving Microsoft a foothold in streaming games, and the rest are dead weight.

>>714443759
They gave them plenty of free reign, and the studios fucked it up. Look at how badly the art director of Avowed fucked that game up with just his social media shit, and he STILL didn't get reigned in.

>jerk off for like 8 years with microsoft money until they catch on and shut you down

many such cases

>>714443759
>>714444326
>>714445543
>>714448249
>be TangoWorks
>Deliver good product in a timely manner
>one of the best received Xbox games in years
>shuttered because you were pitching
meanwhile other Xbox studios:
>but sir the game is 99.9% complete!! (It's barely done) just a few more years of polishing and it'll be delivered!
>Survive for a few more years longer, suckle more money from MS's fat teats
No, no. This isn't the studios fucking uo anything.
It's yet again a leadership issue. They made pitching to be a very, very risky state to be in... So no one wanted to deliver.

>formed specifically to be Microsoft's answer to Naughty Dog or Crystal Dynamics
>Microsoft sink a small fortune into them, recruiting staff from big name studios including Insomniac, Sony Santa Monica, Rockstar, Blizzard and the original Kojima Productions
>all pitches for an original IP get rejected
>after two years of nothing happening, get put on to a Perfect Dark remake
>staff turnover is huge due to project mismanagement and general employee dissatisfaction
>virtually nothing to show after years of development time
>Crystal Dynamics have to be brought in to help because development has turned into such a shitshow
>game gets cancelled anyway and what's left of the studio is disbanded

How the fuck did this one in particular get bungled so badly?

>buy up a bunch of studios
>cancel all their shit

>>714445643
glad im not the only one that thinks this

>>714448426
all their work amounted to a single unreal engine 5 vertical slice lmao

>>714448401
>be TangoWorks
>your founder, CEO and most important creative believes so little in his own studio that he quits to go make games with someone else
tango was shuttered for the same reason as lionhead, their creative direction was gone and they were just going to run into all the same problems as every single underperforming xbox studio.

>>714448426
this is just proof that you cant create a AAA developer from scratch, it has to grow out of an existing culture and workflow.

Probably because tests with younger players resulted in a lot of reports saying it sucks.

>>714448426
>>all pitches for an original IP get rejected
>>after two years of nothing happening, get put on to a Perfect Dark remake
this just seems like they did nothing but slurp microsoft money on purpose, kek
wtf is wrong with western devs

>>714440024 (OP)
>had fun with the demo
>clearly cares greatly about

>>714448736
Any why do you think he left?
They literally quoted the reason TW was shuttered was because they had delivered and were pitching at the wrong time.

If you're a director looking to -actually- deliver good work, this is NOT the environment to do it in.

80 billion for ai is insane

>>714449330
it sounds to me that the timeline was
>hifi rush releases
>mikami goes to pitch a new game to microsoft
>they say that
>he just walks out of the company altogether, fuck that
>they close down the company
which all in all, just fucking retarded. corpotroonism sucks

>>714440024 (OP)
CEOs shouldn't be asked to play demos anyway. Most of them couldn't tell a good game from a bad one if their lives depended on it

>>714448736
>>714449330
Mikami was obviously unhappy at Tango for a while and very nearly left a few years before he actually did. That studio, M-Two, that did a lot of the grunt work on R3make and REmake 4, was actually founded by Tatsuya Minami (like Mikami, ex-Capcom and one of Platinum's co-founders) and named M-Two because he was under the impression Mikami was coming too but he backed out at the last minute and opted to stray with Tango.

>>714448426
Microsoft tried every method of creating world class AAA studios and they all failed
>They tried poaching world class talent to make an all star crew
no game ever released, a decade of wasted resources
>They tried purchasing successful indie devs and flooding them with resources
They made a bunch of AA shit that nobody cares about
>They tried growing one out of an existing successful developer
fable is in dev hell forever
>they tried taking all expectations off and allowed for a space where experimental games could be justified
doublefine makes a game about a walking lighthouse that nobody is going to play, every other studio takes the piss and just wastes the unlimited time and budget before shitting out a terrible product.
>ultimately he settles on just buying up the AAA developers he was trying to build
They all undergo immediate brain drain.

I cant actually blame phil, he tried everything.

>>714448208
this

>>714440024 (OP)
>indians are the new usa masters

>>714440024 (OP)
how does enjoying something increase share holder value?

>>714450007
that just means theres something deeply wrong with the way microsoft does business that just poisons any and everything

>>714440024 (OP)
Shitbox loses again. Let's hear the copes

>>714448736
this

>>714449330
Mikami leaving had nothing to do with MS, he wanted to leave for years prior to his actual exit. The only reason he stuck around for as long as he did was out of some responsibility for the company he built, this isn't a vote of confidence in the talent pool. Tango then had no real creative leadership and weren't exactly a hit makers, they just shat out ghostwire.

phil would have been retarded to take ANOTHER gamble on a studio with no creative leadership, he already has so many of them they are giving him nightmares.

>>714445643
it’s like the bunguie ceo who was a former microsoft exec sabotaging snoy’s purchase

>>714448528
I'm honestly surprised Microsoft doesn't get more shit for this.
We used to rail against EA for doing the same thing, non-stop shitting on them as the worst comopany in gaming.

>>714450280
I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. He had unlimited resources to build a gaming empire using a crumbling stock of hyper woke, shitty western game developers. Unless he pivoted hard and bought up 15 east asian developers what happened was always going to happen.

>>714450007
They didn't do the one thing that could've worked. Sex appeal for a baseline of sales.

>>714443759
truth is they've wasted 69 billions on buying Act/Blizz and now desperately trying to cut expenses to make it look not like a disaster

>>714450868
I said good AAA devs not korean gatcha slop factories for 20iq goblins.

>>714450989
The only way a modern day aaa game could be good is with sex appeal. It would filter the incompetent devs right at the hiring process.

>>714440024 (OP)
he's not in charge
he's just a figure head that will get replaced if its not convenient for microshit

>>714440024 (OP)
>King lost 20% of staff
>Zenimax lost 200 workers
>Turn10 lost 50% of staff
>Call Of Zoomer studios, Raven and Sledgehammer, have been hit and also lost staff.
>High Moon Studios lost staff
>The Initiative has been closed
>Perfect Dark has been cancelled
>Everwild has been cancelled
>Project Blackbird (Zenimax MMORPG) has been cancelled
>Zenimax CEO has resigned
>Banjo-Kazooie and Sea of Thieves director Gregg Mayles has resigned
>Blizzard's QA staff has been sent to work from home to avoid suicides within the facility, they will be replaced by outsourcing.
>Halo Studios (formerly 343i) is being hit by layoffs.
>Unknown number of workers are being replaced by AI including Quality Analysts, Artists and Designers.
>Halo Studios' new project is in a critical state and despite having been fixed, the product is still unplayable and in terrible quality.
>Microsoft is directing all its assets to outsourcing in Europe and Asia to accelerate the production of the next Halo game.
>Kojima Productions has reportedly cancelled OD's publishing deal with Xbox.
>Rumor has it that they are looking for another publisher since the IP belongs to Kojima.
>Compulsion Games and Ninja Theory hit by layoffs although to a lesser extent
>Xbox has cancelled funding for John Romero's game
>Xbox has removed the trailer for CONTRABAND, their exclusive game being developed by AvalancheStudio
>Jason Schrier says PROJECT BLACKBIRD was a game that would have pleased gamers and that the cancellation took Zenimax by surprise
>John Romero announced that Xbox has cut funding to him and other third-party studios, reinforcing the news of the cancellation of KojiPro's game OD.

>>714451091
> It would filter the incompetent devs
It hasnt worked for korea, all they produce is cynical slop for idiots. It also doesnt filter woke devs because they are all complete degenerates who love porn and anime but they whine about it as a kind of public ritual to absolve themselves of the guilt of constantly consuming it.

>>714450592
the difference is EA owned studios that were making games people actually wanted to play

>>714451375
I mean most of that is legit who the fuck thinks Romero has anything left in the tank? Sigil sucked and he couldn't find funding for Blackroom for a reason

>>714451406
I'd rather play korean slop than western slop so I disagree.

>>714451375
Dozens of companies affected
Thousands fired
Nothing of value lost. How?

>>714451631
Thats because you're a stupid monkey porn addict which was obvious from the fact that the only thing that came to your mind was sex appeal when considering what the most important factor is in building world class AAA studios.

>>714452128
Try rereading it instead, faggot? The subject of the conversation is the thing they didn't try. The thing they didn't try was sex appeal. 1+1 = 2. But that's probably too hard a math problem for your retarded ass.

>>714452345
>The only way a modern day aaa game could be good is with sex appeal
all that porn is giving you early onset dementia

>>714445216
Good morning sir

Did Gamepass really fuck up MS Gaming or is it the only thing keeping them afloat? I genuinely have no idea why they're failing when they can just contract studios to make B to AA game for 60 dollars like they used to.

>>714441338
Posts like this that assault your subjectivity should get doxed and then a pack of niggers should come and rape you to death

>>714452713
gamepass is the only reason they didn't exit the game industry 10 years ago.

>>714452713
No, this is happening specifically because Microsoft shareholders are screaming for blood after they were promised that Gamepass would rule the world and was worth spending tens of billions of dollars on.

>>714452713
Phil literally convinced the jeet to not cut Xbox completely by telling him he was going to turn it into the NETFLIX OF GAMING as subscription stuff was just getting big at the time
That promise is all that keeps Xbox afloat and Microsoft churning money into it, getting rid of Game Pass means getting rid of Xbox as a whole at this point

>>714440193
Considering a vertical slice is intended to show all the working systems in the game, working as the would be for players at the game's release, that's not the failure you think it is. It means that all the systems are finalized and in working order, essentially bug free.

>>714443759
I think the plan was if they gave all these studios unlimited time and budget that they would all pump out AAA prestige games that would put xbox/gamepass on everyone's radar
But instead of making games they all just fucked around for years collecting a paycheque until Microsoft finally wised up and pulled the plug on them

>>714453004
Does Xbox constantly bleed money or something? Why would the avatar of Vishnu want to close them (even before the whole Gamepass thing)? It would be as retarded as Sony closing SIE when its the only money making branch of their company left.

>>714451631
I'd rather not play slop

>>714443428
get a skill

One day when you're older you'll understand that sometimes we have to do things that we don't want to do, out of necessity.

>>714453213
The Xbox division has always been over in its little corner and just ignored. There's only a few times that it's caught the eye of shareholders in a big way

>The RRoD that resulted in a class action lawsuit
>a call to close or sell off the Xbox divison following the disaster of the Xbox One's reveal and initial release that was ultimately deflected due to XBL subscriptions still being considered worthwhile
>by far the biggest one, spending $75b on ActiBlizz in a buyout that turned out to be far more complicated than officially believed

>>714440024 (OP)

>>714443759
>>714444326
This describes most modern day companies in the past few years. I've noticed it everywhere not just in entertainment.

>>714453464
Everyone shitting on phil is going to miss him when he's gone and his replacement is the DEI hire who has never played a game in her life.

When they kill Xbox (and they absolutely fucking will) will anyone even try to fill their shoes or will Sony just dominate with endless shitty PS5 iterations?

>>714440024 (OP)
Does anyone actually believe this

>>714440024 (OP)
>yfw phil just has shit taste in games and would drop 1000 hours in Bubsy

>>714453596
this is unironically true. xbox is fucked beyond belief

>>714453618
valve already replaced xbox and they have already put playstation in a death spiral

>>714453741
As predatory and shitty as Valve is, its good that they're the competitor since there's basically no reason to buy a PS5 when a comparably priced Steam Deck is available.

>>714453618
valve and more games coming to apple silicone will fuck up sony and nintendo.

Why don't Sony and Microsoft seem to be fighting anymore?

>>714440024 (OP)
>destiny-style mmo shooter
>fucking zenimax

Phil made the right choice even if he liked it, it probably woulda been a giant flop

>>714454361
They both realized their days are numbered and have to work together to survive they're actually just both run by jeets who want to keep the companies running long enough to employ all their family members

>>714453912
feels like they sell and compete in very different niches

>>714448528
Sara bond sexo

>>714454361
There's virtually no feuds anymore. You'll never see stuff like Peter Moore suggesting Ken Kutaragi was a schizophrenic or Itagaki calling Kamiya a bald homosexual ever again

>>714453213
Microsoft is a much different company than snoy. The gaming division at sony is the only one that makes profit which still makes that SIE decision fucking insane to this day

Microsoft is a trillion dollar+ company, they could completely axe the vidya division tomorrow and it wouldn’t impact them at all aside from a brief PR nightmare

>>714453618
doubt it. we will just have 3 "competitors" (PC/Sony/Nintendo) going their own lane instead of headbutting each other for space. with AAA gaming seemingly stagnating nobody will have the balls to drop a console to compete directly with anyone since theres not much money to get from it

>>714440024 (OP)
Concord must have been a sobering moment for any top game exec who champion games that are clearly going to fail.

>>714454772
This
Once I looked up a video for a Steam issue I was having and was genuinely surprised that the speaker had a slight Black accent.
Most brothers only play CoD, sports games, and a few really big AAA games and they stick to playstation for that reason

>>714440024 (OP)
He feared the Steam chart posters on /v/

>>714448249
how many times does society need to be reminded that the vast majority of people will only put in effort when you put a gun to their head? the default state of mankind is sloth; idle hedonism. Most people don't want to work, they have to. same goes for game devs.

>>714455159
How did firebreak hate white people?
It was generic friendslop

Micro cock just sucks ass
Windows is the biggest software in the world and it still has so many little qol issues and shit going on
Not to mention all the hogging on resources and ms shit taking forever to load.
But they got no competition because apple is a closed eco system for college fags and installing loonix isn't viable for most people

>>714450007
did he try whipping the slaves harder? that usually gets them to stop shuckin & jivin and get back to picking cotton.

DUDE SUBSCRIPTION ECONOMY IS GOOD SAR
NO XBOX JUST PAY MONTHLY FOR XBOX GAME PASS

>>714440024 (OP)
You can't release something that sets the bar too high or you're fucking yourself in the long term as well as short term. It would outcompete your own existing titles and franchises, ensure a more bloated budget for the next Big Game that may by chance not be as successful or even get snubbed in favor of the older title it was hyped up to top.

The industry standard plan, and you can see it in every publisher now, is spread your eggs out between smaller, lower quality baskets designed to be quickly played and forgotten, with most of the budgets covered by direct and indirect subsidies. This is why they'll never, ever greenlight something good with long term sustainability. Forever games are dead and never coming back. You're stuck with older ones grandfathered in from a prior epoch, which are, very intentionally, being tanked in quality with every update while milking hopeless nostalgics for every penny they're worth. They last thing they want is new players being pipelined into older games when they could be blowing $300 a month on fire and forget fotm games.

>>714453213
their money is in windows enterprise. when your computer comes with windows, it is a genuine purchased license. when a company installs licenses on thousands of computers, they aren't going to risk being sued so will pay for all of them. they will purchase msoffice and integrate into microsoft ecosystem utilities like teams so they cannot easily leave. their system mines users with analytics to sell your information. xbox is less than 10% of their earnings

>>714455159
FBC Firebreak failed because it was a mediocre Deep Rock Galactic clone released for $40 in a saturated market by a studio whose fanbase wants single player games. It barely even has a story so I don't see how it was being political.

>>714455437
>home security system at the end
>even they tacitly acknowledge this is a third world nation with slaves delivering food

>>714455585
That game is an incredible miscalculation that I will never understand

Remedy built a cult fanbase that wants cinematic games with mild combat and then made THAT.
Fucking why?

>>714455437

>>714455437
>organic artisanal coffee from a curated coffee beans subscription box
>subscription-based fitness bike
>ride-sharing monthly pass
>cloud-based productivity apps

>>714455585
Wait FBC Firebreak is released already? I heard about it being shown on one of the dozen E3 clones we have now but thought it was vaporware. Is it another flop?

>>714455252
bridge my friend, bridge.
it was a game created by Uyy/Umm/Tumblrdrones who will become Was/Were/Acked in just a couple months. it's like an aura that you feel as white man if you play the game, you feel (((their))) hatred. it's integrated into the colors and has a psychological effect on you.

>>714455585
tassi, please keep your shitposting contained within forbes.

>>714453618
>Sony dominate
lol, Nintendo will dominate. PlayStation is in the process of dying too, because their (and Xbox's) hardware has become virtually indistinguishable from a midrange PC and everyone knows it at this point. it isn't the 90s anymore when a PS1 was like $150 and the games were plug-n-play.
only Nintendo were smart enough to give their systems gimmicks that differentiated them from a PC so nobody really cross shops them.
>muh steam deck
nobody who was seriously considering a Switch ever considered a steam deck as an alternative. the Deck is for PC guys who wanted something smaller than a gaming laptop, its market share is miniscule.

You can screenshot this prediction: within five years of Xbox dying, PlayStation will too. Xbox will die first.

>>714456036
Sony won't die because BLAQUE "people" need something to play cod and nfl

>>714455956
they released it with no fanfare and did the typical twitter thank you for 3 million (players, please do not point out that we didn’t say sales) loop that every flop has been doing

They showed it during Summer Game Fest and I didn’t even realize it was supposed to be tied to Control until they showed the name of the game. How is it possible to fuck up that hard, Control has a pretty unique look to it even tho it was an early NVidia please buy our raytracing slop title

>>714455956
Big flop.

>>714455836
Supposedly management thought DRG is successful and by a Scandinavian developer as well, so if Danes can do it why can't Finns?

>niggas dont understand remedy sells their games to businesses first and actual consumers second

>>714456190
Switch 2 runs all the latest sports games. FIFA and Madden have already been announced for it.

>>714451375
Guess who's not on the list

>>714440024 (OP)
It was probably gay and lame like most of the AAA shit that failed in the last few years

>>714456289
yeah that seems to be going great for them when even Epic didn’t want to touch their helldivers 2 clone

>>714456315
Aw hell nah
Ain't touchin dat gay kiddy shit for dem ching change a real nigga plays on real ass console

>>714440024 (OP)
>This Destiny-style MMO shooter was going to be soooooo good guys
lol

>>714456331
Me? :p

saaar

>>714447859
yep, took me a bit to figure that out but I will never work for another publicly traded company.

>>714456243
i’ve seen the corpo slideshows that got posted in a thread a few days ago

Embarrassing stuff. Control doing pretty well put them into a death spiral as a company. They predicted FBC firebreak to sell 2 million, just in launch week. Insanity

>>714456243
>>714456669
Pretty fucked. Funny too that Arrowhead got a good piece of the pie too and they're Swedes lmao

>>714456513
a dozen blacks buying 2K isn't enough to keep the PS brand solvent.

>>714446372
The Zune and Windows Phone were unironically great products. They failed because Microsoft entered the industry too late after customers were already comfortable with more established brands. That lesson (along with the graveyard of failed MMOs) is informing Microsoft's current decision to cancel a promising MMO. They've evaluated that the MMO playerbase is too attached to their current games and getting them to switch would require more than just a good game but a true phenomenon like WoW originally was. Short of that, it's probably not worth investing into MMOs.

>zenimax
>making anything worthwhile ever

Rare phil making a good decision moment
I’m sure those “demos” had him hooked but that’s how those always work

>>714457021
Well you got browns buying fifa as well
And they could just stop at ps6

>>714455437
wait, is this made unironically?
like these are supposed to be good things?

>>714457243
This
Games like tarkov, wow and ff14 etc shit the bed with every other update but players already invested too much time to pick up some new game from China with 1/30th amount of content

>destiny style mmo shooter

Why are companies even still trying to make games like that in the year of our lord 2025 when destiny itself is largely seen as a joke
That game probably eeks a profit but there is no market that you are gonna steal

>>714458203
because thats the only slop Americans will eat

Because it deserves to be cancelled

>>714458485
but they don’t, that’s why it’s so dumb
Destiny had been hanging on by a thread for years. Nobody really wants more of that crap

>>714453571
Turns out that hiring retards just because they're cheap isn't a good move, or maybe it is because the average consumer is a retard, god i wish for a war or at least a pandemic that actually kills people, too many people on the world right now, this bubble will burst and it won't be pretty

>>714443759
>Seriously what happened to all Microsoft studios?
Studios weren't given deadlines, were given infinite money, and then the ideas they committed to were either poorly executed (Redfall), would never ever make the money they spent back (Hellblade 2), or would always be small games (Grounded). Everything else would take years to see any returns from if at all, and they were essentially gambling on these studios to make something that was worth a damn to attract people to the brand. So many of the games and ideas they had were also so underwhelming or boring, and the trailers outright looked awful like Fable's.

The issues they had were that they were trying to push these studios into making stuff so Game Pass constantly had a fresh flow of content which in turn would lead to worse sales for said games because they were trying to attract people to Game Pass. The games that have come out were mostly underwhelming, underperformed, or targeted very niche subsets of people. I have zero clue how Halo Wars 2 or a remaster of 1 ever got greenlit, same deal with Gears of War Tactics and Gears of War Pop!. There's also the issue of them putting everything on PC which is an issue Sony is also going full retard with to remove any sense of the exclusivity draw to their brand leading to less people needing an Xbox for their games in the first place.

So many of Xbox's issues are their own fault, and all their offerings were either way too niche or terrible. Like, they banked on ReCore to push the Xbone. ReCore. A game that feels like a low budget platformer which doesn't even use the apparent high budget it had to do well. They also refuse to nurture brands and studios like Sunset Overdrive and Insomniac, ReCore and the multitude of devs behind that, Hi-Fi Rush and Tango Gameworks, or Quantum Break and Remedy. It's not like these games were super expensive to develop outside of QB and yet they blow boatloads into things like Redfall.

>>714458203
Because game development takes too long now, just look at the suicide squad game, it started development when devs thought that diablo clone shooters were their golden ticket

>>714443759
Microsoft just doesn’t care at all
Xbox is such a tiny blip on their radar, I don’t even understand why it still exists honestly. Including goypass

I imagine all of it operates at a loss but microshart is so incomprehensably huge that it just doesn’t even matter at all to them

>>714459753
I didn't hate Recore if we're being honest, but yeah you're not wrong, it was never close to being a system seller.

It was actually partially recycled from the corpse of the cancelled edgy Megaman FPS

>>714443428
Yeah my mom would have to take the controller from my hands fairly often. Especially during summer break

>>714446372
I miss the Windows Phone. I liked the UI the most of all smartphones.

>>714440024 (OP)
>MMO shooter
When I first heard they had canceled a new MMO I thought the timing was weird since the 2 major players were in a death spiral, it's the perfect time to put a new one out.
But if it's a shooter that makes a lot more sense, that entire audience will be playing the atomic heart spinoff MMO instead.

>>714457829
This is (((their))) world, you're just living in it.

>>714440193
>Project wasn't given money despite begging for years and get cut as it get out of preproduction
ftfy

>>714450756
>I think he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I don't. I think he genuinely tried but he didn't commit hard enough to certain things like deadlines or actually getting non-western devs on board with the brand. I think what he did was go 80% of the way and then just stop dead in his tracks never going the last 20% and he did this multiple times.

One of the biggest flaws in Phil's approach was that it seemed desperate and slapdash; trying to do anything to win consumer confidence and trust back after the Xbone debacle. He always seemed like he was perpetually trying to save the brand but throwing stuff at a wall to see what stuck.
>We have no Japanese support? I guess we say we'll work to get Japanese devs on board, spend like three months blowing some money advertising a few Japanese games and do some sales, and then never do anything again.
>We have no real advantage over Playstation currently? Say we'll invest into BC and then release games very slowly and seemingly at random with some major games taking years to actually get supported.
>We have no interesting games to pull people into our ecosystem? Host E3 segments for millions of dollars showing 90% indie games that will be on other platforms, say "This is the best year of Xbox", dangle Halo games from a company that doesn't know how to make Halo games, delay them constantly, and randomly drop low budget indie-tier titles or milk the GoW teat some more as everything gets canceled left and right.
>We don't have much of a userbase? Become the Movie Pass of video gaming completely ignoring the enormous issues this will cause to our entire ecosystem as a whole because people won't be buying games anymore and will simply pay a $15 subscription for a month to play a $60 game.

It just felt like desperation from him and I don't blame him for making a lot of the decisions he did, but it never felt like he was ready to see things through past starting up various initiatives.

Gaming would unironically be better if xbox never existed, it's insane

>>714460913
That image looks equally bad for both

>>714460115
I didn't mind ReCore, my issue stems from them seeming to believe it was a system-seller at the Xbone launch and despite throwing money at it the game never looked anything more than a low budget third-party game. Then they spent even more money on the "Remaster" of it which didn't really fix any of the issues present and added some mostly irrelevant content.

It feels like they don't really have this stream of low budget, middle budget, and "high" budget games like Nintendo does. It feels like they have low budget and high budget with no middle budget or "high" budget games. Sony has the exact same issue but Sony at least for the PS3 and PS4 eras had those middle budget games like LittleBigPlanet or Gravity Rush in between the lower budget stuff like Tokyo Jungle or Tearaway. The PS5 era has been a disaster but at least with this era you can see it's because they put all their eggs in the live service basket and can't get out of the AAA production mindset they've trapped themselves in with the PS4.

>>714443759
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9WO2ieJMYk

>>714450007
>They tried purchasing successful indie devs and flooding them with resources
>They made a bunch of AA shit that nobody cares about
I honestly think the issue is that nobody in the indie sphere wants to take on the burdern of a modern AAA game.
If this was the late 6th gen or early 7th (the last time big studios that can make these kinds of games formed) then it would of worked.
But nobody who could do it wants to put up with that bullshit.

>>714440024 (OP)
what is fallout 76

this guy swindled these faggots so fucking hard
ms was probaby expecting more
fallout
TES
and some other rpgs and work from other studios under beth

but they only got shartfield and a promise of TES6

>>714461837
>tfw dying before even getting to see a teaser for the next Fallout is a real possibility now

>>714461939
well you get more dogshit F76
but FO5 or anything in universe is unlikely until TES6 is out for 4-5 years at the very least
so around 2034 would be my bet
assuming they'll survive that long

>>714461837
You just know that Phil Spencer was fuming after seeing how popular the show got and not being able to take advantage of the hype train in any meaningful way

>>714440024 (OP)
well that's why they cancelled it. xbox isn't allowed to have fun games.

>>714461837
I genuinely can't believe how much of a bullet Sony dodged with not getting exclusivity for Starfield. It's honestly insane how fortuitous that was for them.

>>714461939
I don't think they'll die or be shuttered. Not with the amount of money Microsoft threw around and the positive reception Oblivion Remastered got. Unless Fallout 5 is beyond worse than 76 (Which is still alive and constantly getting updates mind you) on top of TE6 bombing I don't see how that's possible. I imagine they'll remake Arena or Daggerfall before TE6 comes out to tide people over but that's about it.

>>714461837
actually impressive that bethesda managed to meme them that hard. Usually in a purchase like that the company getting bought legally has to kind of open the curtains a bit, but todd managed to fill it with enough bullshit that microsoft still bit on it

I don’t really care about starfield one way or another but it is not what microshart paid for, end of story. It’s just bland

>>714461837
>>714462315
Weren't Sony interested in Nightfall too? I guess if they got it it might've been slightly more polished by the time it released because it wasn't aiming for Gamepass, but fucking hell, trying to get a timed exclusivity deal on a generic Far Cry clone with a Halloween coat of paint? Shameful.

>>714440215
>Games as art
Like Indiana fucking Jones where you have to do 4 inputs to open doors?

>>714462216
>wow guys that fallout show is hit with the people, people are going back to fallout 4 and new vegas huh
>yeah phil that's great
>would've been a great time to release like tease or maybe just title for fallout 5 maybe small spin off that can be made by one of our 30 studios we paid 20 billion for

>yeah that would've been great

>ummmhhhh

>alright phil nice talking to you, ill have go back to work on TES 6

>>714448249
To be fair, Redfall was shat out mostly to buff Zenimax's portfolio prior to the $2b acquisition. Arkane Austin were hoping that Xbox would shitcan the project but Phil elected not to.

>>714462446
Sorry phil, the best I can give you is a fallout 76 meme expansion trailer at the summer Geoff E3 imitation show
With love
-Todd H

>>714461837
ik you guys don't like nu obsidian but they could've made decent small spin offs with beth ips and some better writer that would've sold really well but todd prefers to keep his ips close to his chest

Xbox ain't got games

>>714456331
inXile seems to be unscathed?

>>714462697
Key phrase in your post is “better writer” which obsidian hasn’t done in a long time

>>714462831
maybe it's just a fantasy but i would imagine josh getting his act together to work on a real ip with a lot of potential because he didn't give a flying fuck about outer worlds or avowed

>microshart buys zenimax/bethesda
>gets shartfield, an idea of TES 6 (coming summer 2032, trust us) and gaas not ESO that then gets cancelled

It’s a testament to how big of a behemoth Microsoft is that this didn’t even put a slight dent in them

>Guy who was always super vocal about games are art
>Gave developers no oversight and unlimited money to make games
>They all were super lazy or churned out endless trash
Its pottery honestly.
Its honestly the ultimate anthesis of the people claiming publishers ruin games by bulling devs

>>714462931
He needs to just move to a studio that likes crpgs, that’s clearly what he cares about and obshitian doesn’t. I don’t get his obsession with staying with them

>>714462985
>dent
you can't
every company and government uses their products

hypothetically you can make a better product but it'll take decades just to switch a small portion of systems

>>714447859
>the line must go up
Shut the fuck up, you retarded poverty stricken monkey. When's the last time you paid someone for 7 years to produce nothing?

>>714463124
yeah people just treat him like wholesome rpg guy
who hasn't made anything good in a long time
>people didn't play the pentiment
i can imagine him collecting paychecks and not even trying because of the corporate over lords
every creative guy who left a big studio talks about how stressful and hard it was to pitch a new idea when retarded investors wanted more Fortnite

>>714463124
Hes honestly a relic and should just make his own indie studio cause his likes just wont sell in even the AA sphere
>Wants crunchy systems
>Hates romance
>Just wants to have walls of text detailing his setting
Its probably his fault obsidian games feel so half baked since hes always trying to pull them completely in the opposite direction from how apparently everyone else there wants to make games.

>>714463282
>When's the last time you paid someone for 7 years to produce nothing?

>>714463435
Jej

>>714463393
i think he could make AA stuff that would sell just fine
But he’s a self important cunt and would never admit it so he will stay with obsidian and continue going on passive aggressive twitter tirades any time an rpg sells well

>>714463435
Squadron 42, releasing in 2016
Trust us bro

>>714463545
I dunno even owlcat games have romance and characters.
I honestly cant think of AA games that do what he wants to make

>>714453017
>Being 40% finished after 5 years isn't the failure you think it is

Ok bro.

Why are people blaming gamepass over the 70 billion Activision purchase. After that sale went thought you could see them drop all of their other shit to sell more CoD. Console exclusivity, halo, AA games, and bethesda all come second after recouping costs for Activision and selling more CoD. The old strategy went out the window completely.

>>714462315
>I genuinely can't believe how much of a bullet Sony dodged with not getting exclusivity for Starfield. It's honestly insane how fortuitous that was for them.
buying bungie was a much larger mistake. I don't consider sony a winner in this.

>>714463730
i am sure bunch of guys in Europe would be more than happy to make something like that but

josh lives in America which is a problem

>>714463828
Yeah, that's fair. It just took them longer for the Bungie thing to bite them in the ass than Starfield did for Microsoft.

>>714453618
>Sony
>Dominate

They've had to go 3rd party and put Helldivers on Xbox because of failure after failure after failure.

>>714459753
from what we've heard about redfall it seems like studios were more often than not given a series of fake deadlines that they scrambled and fucked up their whole development pipeline to meet, were given tenuous extensions where they tried to remake the game from scratch and then were unceremoniously kicked out the door.
it also doesn't help that many of these were poison projects to begin with and a cash injection didn't actually solve any of the rot that caused them to enter development hell in the first place

>>714463875
>fairgoyims
They should kill that shit quietly if they haven’t already, unless they’re really into humiliation rituals

Working in game developing for the past 10 years must've truly been fucking magical. Maybe one or two projects released in a decade. What are you doing in your day to day? Probably not a lot. Adult daycare with six figure salaries.

>>714463875
At this rate, Marathon will cause them to go Day 1 on everything, if the PS6 was originally going to be $900, that shit is going to be $1000 now.

>>714461837
The saddest part is that according to what came out about Bethesda from that time period Todd was the One Guy in management trying to make games while the rest of the Senior Members fucked off on extended vacations.

>>714464076
I don't see them doing it. They don't have the self-reflection to kill Marathon or Fairgame$ due to the immense amount of money they've thrown at the projects. The fact that Jade Raymond left her own studio she founded is not a good sign for that game, and any random person you pick out of a crowd that plays video games could tell you both Marathon and Fairgame$ look terrible.

>>714464079
yk those
>my day as xyz for nike
imagine that but there also guys browsing reels and doing bare minimum

>>714464232
>PS6 was originally going to be $900, that shit is going to be $1000 now.
I don't think people understand how pricing stuff works.

>>714464079
There was a tiktok that went viral a few years ago where it was a “day in my life” of a meme SF tech zoomer
Basically that video except less asian women

>>714464079
>>714464278
>>714464312
No wonder these people all fight for DEI, and the status quo of shit. Who cares about the end product when your life is a fucking paradise?

>>714464312
those videos are entirely hr people and serve the same purpose as valve's '''leaked''' employee manual from all those years ago

So, Forza Motorsport is dead and what remains of Turn 10 is becoming a support studio for Playground Games but given the layoffs at Halo Studios points me to only one direction. Halo MP competes with COD, why does Microsoft still need Halo MP when COD's exist? I would not be surprised if Microsoft is asking this question and the MP-only Halo game may actually be on the chopping block. I haven't heard anything from it in years. All I've been hearing about are campaign-only remakes for Halo CE-3 and a campaign-only sequel to Halo Infinite both just Master Chief. I also think that Halo spin-offs are kill too.

>>714459753
>the ideas they committed to were either poorly executed (Redfall), would never ever make the money they spent back (Hellblade 2), or would always be small games (Grounded)
Ninja Theory and Obsidian didn't have any publicized cuts. It seems like Microsoft is perfectly willing to stand by studios that release niche or mediocre games, they're just not willing to tolerate studios that release no games.

Tango and Arkane Austin are special cases because they were rapidly bleeding talent and were downright dysfunctional by the end.

>>714441442
It could be that the game had SOVL but executives and investors wanted to sell a legal version of fentanyl to the masses.

>>714464258
>marathon
even a retard like me could've saved them million
cod guys won't play anything else
tarkov austists won't touch that mess with 10 foot poll and even if they did that won't be enough to sustain your 400m$ game

same with shit like fable
>that frog shit good and oh that's a lovely face-scan but can we just use custom characters people really like that and yk more representation is always better

>>714464479
Microsoft isn't done with their gaming layoffs.

>>714444154
It could be that he plays games but he is just a spokesman, the people above his pay grade are the ones responsible.

>>714464451
90% of those company’s structures are hr and pointless administrative positions
AAA vidya studios are no different, they’re just on a smaller scale

>>714444154
It could be that he does but it is clear he does not call the shots.
Sarah Bond and that one Pajeet are above his pay grade.
At this point Microsoft as a whole is ready to be absorbed by China, all the more reason everyone should be adopting linux as the new OS standard.

>our studios are trash what do we do
>let's buy 20 studios and give them as much freedom as they need
>announce 20 games and everybody is hyped
>5 years later
>those 20 studios have spent those 5 years doing jack shit
>microsoft breathing down phils neck
>quick lay off all the idiots and hope it's good enough

Xbox doesn't realize that there is no sure fire formula that produces great games. They thought that if they give their devs blank cheques they would use that time to make amazing games but instead they were just bumbling around day dreaming, cooking up design documents and prototypes that never went anywhere.

>>714464258
Fairgames could absolutely get shitcanned. It’s a new studio with 0 name recognition, the coombait CEO already left. After the concord PR disaster it would be better for them to just cancel it

Marathon has to release in some form bc it’s bungie

>>714464639
This is wrong, it's been confirmed that it's the Pajeet and Amy Hood doing this. All Xbox people are under them.

>>714464639
>Sarah Bond
sexo
>everyone should be adopting linux as the new OS standard.
one day my friend

>>714464558
They probably are for the rest of the year at least.

>>714464839
Nope, insiders are saying there will be more this week.

>microsoft fires 9,000 people, not even including these vidya ones
>if you search public records they have already applied for more than 14,000 H1-B visas

At what point does it become acceptable to label a company as an enemy of the state

>>714464921
Schreier source or I don't give a shit.

>>714464991
crakkka thinks he's entitled to a job for being white

>>714464991
*and for those h1bs that’s just for this year obviously

>>714457243
>They failed because Microsoft entered the industry too late after customers were already comfortable with more established brands
Dunno mate, people seem fine buying toyotas

>>714464991
When the state isn't backing the crime.

>>714464991
Even the current administration considered genocidally racist by retards supports replacing Americans with H1Bs and is being longhoused by some USDA cunt who thinks line going up means no deportations. You can't be an enemy of the state if you're doing the state's job.

>>714464991
never because this thing called
>lobbyists
imagine if Russia or even France paid bunch of American news networks to shill their narrative
they'll be in a lot of legal trouble
while AIPAC literally bought 70% or more of congress

>>714464479
They're willing to stand by them but the issue is they seemingly only want to fund these really niche or mediocre games that you can tell from the onset are never going to be big and still take a long time to come out. It would be one thing if they are releasing these games every 3ish months after a year or two of development but as far as I recall Grounded took like three or four years to make. They also have really garbage studios like 343 fail upwards constantly.

It's insane to me how 343 has had a disastrous MCC launch then Halo 4, Halo 5, and now Halo Infinite come out all to massive disapproval from the fans and sales that as far as we know are below expectations. Instead of seemingly addressing the fact that 343 is incompetent, especially now that they've made their own custom engine for Infinite and blown who knows how much money on it only to jump to Unreal Engine, they've decided to keep the entire team on board and continue to give them Halo projects. They've proven themselves not worth investing money or time into with that brand. Let them make literally anything else since they don't understand Halo and give someone else Halo because the company started just to make Halo games isn't good at it.

They've milked Gears of War to death at this point and know for a fact everyone from 4 and 5 are unlikable yet don't know when to let a sleeping dog lie and keep making more and more GoW titles despite running it into the ground. Now they're making a prequel game if I remember right.

Where in the world are their daring new IPs? The Xbone at least attempted it with ReCore, Sunset Overdrive, and Quantum Break. Hi-Fi Rush was one which they immediately kneecapped and they have literally nothing on the horizon that's not an existing brand from another existing company. Where is their Uncharted? God of War? The Last of Us? They for some reason think Hellblade is a major IP of theirs when it's a fairly niche one yet put Senua on par with Master Chief.

>>714465003
SneakersSO from NeoGAF

>>714465140
The difference there is that Toyota and its fellows got into the western car industry at the time when the Fordist Model which all the big American car companies clung to, was flagging.
And in turn their different more close to the ground way of doing things gave them market mobility and allowed them to present the market with new smaller more efficient designs it wanted and change things year to year as needed.
Flexibility and Speed during an era of decay are essential when trying to break into a market.
Something which Xbox Ironically had before the motion controls pivot.

>>714465290
Halo Studios didn't get out of this fully unscathed, I wouldn't even be surprised if the MP-only game gets canned because COD exists.

>>714465140
It took decades of American manufacturers fucking up for Japanese brands to gain a foothold in the US. Even now American automobiles have more market share than they probably deserve. Apple simply hasn't shown the propensity to fuck up like that.

>>714464753
>*exo
wait til u see her outside of studio lighitng

Late stage Capitalism

>>714465972
Global Communism

People only liked Phil because of GamePass, i.e. relatively cheap access to games for poorfags
If you actually watch him speak in public at any point he's like a fucking robot, only ever giving generic soulless PR talk while holding in the pain
Fuck him and fuck Microsoft

>>714465465
They're still being given way too much leeway with Halo. I know it was made entirely to pick up Bungie's slack but how many more failures or mistakes is 343 going to be allowed to get away with with Microsoft's equivalent of Mario instead of having a different team relegated to it and letting 343 make something else? Halo is like -the- Xbox mascot and they've completely ruined it every single step of the way by trying to reinvent the wheel with a brand that didn't need a reinvented wheel outside of new enemies. Instead, they made Metroid Prime enemies and handwaved a reason why the old ones returned.

It's honestly astounding to me just how much Microsoft has run Halo, Gears of War, and Forza into the ground from the sheer amount of games they've relied on them for throughout these two gens to the point that there's nothing special to them and people are sick of them.

>>714465334
That dude was just speculating about their longterm strategy.
>trying to train devs to use AI
I mean, yeah, they are biggest producer of AI models. Kind of hurts their reputation if they don't eat their own dogfood.
>consolidating behind their biggest IPs
No shit. The market is oversaturated. This is exactly what Nintendo and more recently Sony have done.

Does this dude know anything, or is he just making educated guesses?

>>714465290
>Where in the world are their daring new IPs?
>Where is their Uncharted? God of War? The Last of Us?
First of all, overrated movie games. Secondly, this is exactly what The Initiative was supposed to produce with their Perfect Dark reboot. They were staffed full of former senior devs from Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, and Insomniac. That standard of trying to create a perfectionist prestige games is probably why they piddled around for so long with nothing to show. But outside of that. Compare how Sony spends like $300 million on one of these games only to get outsold by Mario's Happy Funtime at less than half the budget. It's the IPs that sell the games.

>>714466223
>Compare how Sony spends like $300 million on one of these games only to get outsold by Mario's Happy Funtime at less than half the budget. It's the IPs that sell the games.
Or maybe just maybe nobody wants a fucking overproduced cinematic dad adventure about an angry lesbian anymore

>>714465972
Super duper marxism

>>714465972
>>714466140
>>714466502
Communism for the Rich

>>714466460
That's my point retard. The anon I was responding to was whining about where Xbox's "Uncharted? God of War? The Last of Us?" were.

>>714466221
Most of 343 are gone, Halo Studios like a support studio leading the charge while US and EU studios make the games now.

>>714466223
That dude has been right about everything that's happening with Microsoft's Xbox. He was the first to say that Microsoft shitcanned the in-house handheld since at least last year while stating we're only getting a shitty expensive PC handheld with an Xbox mask on it. The Rog Xbox Ally is rumored to be $700 and $1000 so again, he was right.

>>714466646
I just don't give a shit, man. If you take an obvious hater posture, I'm not going to take you seriously.

The future of Xbox is Halo, Gears, Forza Horizon, Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Call of Duty, Blizzard's shit, and Minecraft. They plan to gut everything that isn't these, you're welcome.

>>714466848
At this point, Microsoft turned me into a hater poster. I didn't believe the guy on the handheld until it actually was confirmed, at that point, I just didn't give a shit about Microsoft anymore. Microsoft just doesn't give a shit about gaming anymore, just money.

>>714453464
>>714453596
>>714453689
I'm 100% certain that Phil's replacement is not far and it's going to be an indian.

they are correctly pivoting from games to ai
doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that infinite white collar workers are worth more than a few games

>>714466223
>First of all, overrated movie games.
Not the point, it's more of why are there no big budget new IPs from Microsoft, only low budget ones? They seemingly only put the big bucks into stuff that is already close to finishing from companies that they bought up or sequels. They are not willing to take the risks Sony takes in funding new IPs like Ghost of Sushi, Days Gone, or hell, even their massive failures like Concord or the upcoming failure in Fairgame$. Yes, Sony is also throwing money at sequels like TLoU2 or GoT2, but for every major budget sequel they're funding two or even three high budget new IPs to try and create the next God of War or Uncharted or Killzone.
>Secondly, this is exactly what The Initiative was supposed to produce with their Perfect Dark reboot.
But that's not what I'm asking for, that's exactly the problem. They shouldn't have been remotely in charge of Perfect Dark, they should have been in charge of brand new IPs and ideas that no one has ever thought os while Perfect Dark should have been left to Rare with an A or AA budget at best. Halo, Gears of War, and Forza should be getting the AAA budgets because they're the face of the brand and have the staying power and brand identity. Killer Instinct, Battletoads, and Perfect Dark should be getting like A to AA budgets like Hellblade 2 did because they're not the A listers or they're trying to claw their way out of nostalgia-baiting to find a new audience.
>Compare how Sony spends like $300 million on one of these games only to get outsold by Mario's Happy Funtime at less than half the budget. It's the IPs that sell the games.
You're absolutely right, and both Microsoft and Sony are complete idiots not diversifying their portfolio in multiple tiers of budgets. Sony seemingly only thinks in A or AAA now while Microsoft thinks in A and AA with AAA being reserved for very few games that they feel can get guaranteed returns. Neither can do the Mario approach.

>>714461837
He probably got everyone in the room to personally buy between 2 and 5 copies of Skyrim.
Each.

>>714456025
least schizophrenic nigger on /v/

>>714448068
Skype was always shit.

>>714448249
Both Redfall and Starfield were in development long before MS started the purchase process though.

>>714440215
He's right. I always enjoy games that I don't feel pressured to play. I can tell when a game is made to be addictive, like MMOs and shit like that. They may be enjoyable in the moment, but long term my respect for those games is zero. I don't know if these firings are going to do anything to steer more of their games in that direction though, since it's not like the studios they shut down were making those sorts of games.

>>714467076
Motherfucker you're the one who brought up
>Uncharted
>God of War
>The Last of Us
None of which are new.

It's straight up just a bad time to release new IPs anyway, the market has become way too oversaturated with everyone and their cousin trying to create a new universe with their own original lore. What's the actual justification for creating yet another FPS IP when they own so many already? I'd rather get a sequel to an existing IP that feels mechanically distinct than like thirty over-the-shoulder, third-person, cinematic action-adventure games that are technically different IPs but all play the same.

>>714467480
And so was Psychonauts 2, but they still took the deal and got the same treatment.
As much money and time as you need.
The difference was that Psychonauts 2 was like 80% complete when the deal was made and so that money want into polish and implementing boss fights into a game they were planning on shipping already.
What might fuck Doublefine was that PSY2 was such an intense game for them to make they have fled from making any game on its level since.

The later episodes of their big making of Psychonauts 2 documentary is out best look into how Xbox was managing things circa 2019-2021

wow2 is coming and it's going to be mindblowing

>>714467076
>Neither can do the Mario approach.
Actually, I just want to add a bit onto this. Neither Sony nor Microsoft have brands that could possibly splinter off into spinoffs that don't need to somehow be justified.
Take Halo Wars and Gears of War Tactics. Neither really make sense from what their source games are because it's such a genre shift to a degree that it's insanely niche instead of niche like Halo becoming something like a squad-based TPS or GoW becoming Doom.
On Sony's end you can look at Lego Horizon which makes no sense at all considering the source material is super serious yet they're aiming for kids for some reason, or Uncharted making Fight for Fortune which is a card game.

Sony actually has three brands that can reasonably be Mario which are Ape Escape, Astro Bot, and Toro.
>Ape Escape has already shown easy adaptability to other genres and it makes sense to do so.
>Astro Bot should be obvious but it comes from PS4 tech demos and came into its own as a brand that uses other brands to prop itself up so it can easily jump between genres no problem.
>Toro is literally a blank slate with his own Hello Kitty-esque world and has had many different genres of games with no defining genre.
The problem is that Sony refuses to actually push any of these three properly.
>Ape Escape has been dead and buried and used for nostalgia bait but nothing else.
>Astro Bot isn't branching out from platformers.
>Toro isn't advertised in the west at all.

>>714467730
I'm talking about how Uncharted and The Last of Us were new in the PS3 era and chances they took and why I gave you Days Gone, Concord, Ghost of Tsushima, and even Fairgame$ as example of brand new IPs they are funding. You're right with God of War though.
>It's straight up just a bad time to release new IPs anyway
Nintendo is doing it just fine. Splatoon became a brand on par with Zelda out of nowhere on a failing system. Sure, Arms failed but come on now. This is exactly what I mean.

>>714467787
>As much money and time as you need.
Well this clearly wasn't true for Zenimax games as they got 2 years.
So if those 2 years were meant for polish then that effectively means those games would've been garbage no matter what. I do agree that MS is clearly mismanaging things but I don't see why you would put all of the blame on MS when it's clear that Zenimax were just as incompetent. It's an industry wide problem at this point.

>>714465972
Rewarding unproductive people is exactly why there is so much starvation in communism.

>>714468395
Would you consider the managerial class that runs companies into the ground while failing upwards and hiring more of their buddies to made-up administrative roles unproductive?

>>714468252
It was said earlier in the thread but Todd was apparently the one guy in management at Bethesda who cared about making games after they were bought so I wouldn't be surprised if Zenimax was even worse in many ways.

>>714448528
They are collecting IPs. That is all there is to it.
>how much is this company's IP portfolio?
>cheap
>buy it and then sit on it
>ok
I am fairly certain that the finance bros have some "grand plans" cooked up on how to cash in on them. I just hope they all get eaten by xenomorphs.

>muh infinite time and money excuse
If you look at the job postings for zenimax titles, you can see they constrained these devs after MS acquired all their recent fuckups. From Redfall to Starfield.
They just don't give a shit about anything but funding AI. $80 billion more into trying to turn LLMs into Skynet. And they lost the last studio capable of still making MMOs for that.

>>714469125
>trying to turn LLMs into Skynet
And then such SkyNet derps and burns the internet and stock exchange. Because you dont use LLM to make an AI in the first place.

>>714469125
Nobody is saying they still are giving the studios all there resources. It was Redfall in particular that killed that system.

>>714440024 (OP)
It’s just outrage bait to engage people who genuinely believe CEOs are cartoon characters who spend all day smoking cheroots and polishing their monocles while arbitrarily firing people as they cackle maniacally.

In reality Microsoft’s gaming division has been a disaster ever since they leaned heavily into DEI and ESG, and fobbed off much of their development onto Durgasoft. They sacrificed competence and experience for skin colour and sexual preference, quality for lower overhead. It failed. This is an obvious course correction.

>>714440182
Microsoft was shit long before India. India is just a symptom of the cancer that is Microsoft.

>>714452749
It's subjecthood you dumb uneducated ESL.

>>714440024 (OP)
>Destiny-style MMO shooter

>>714440024 (OP)
kys pajeet

>>714440024 (OP)
He's cold blooded

>>714440024 (OP)
Fun games don't necessarily make number go up and his job is to make number go up. If he doesn't make number go up he gets fired and replaced with someone who does.

>>714468086
Splatoon is 10 years old you fucking retard

>>714448401
>be TangoWorks
>Release a AA game despite being a AAA studio
>Have no further games in the pipeline
That’s why they were shut down, it was inevitable.

>>714448864
Eidos Montreal was created from scratch, just from people’s love of Deus Ex

>>714443759
no pressure on producers, leads and managers + unlimited money

What is happening now should happen the moment a single milestone is missed, heads should roll, devs should be on the streets.
If you allow those HR women to work there for 20 years doing nothing, they will do it.
Games should have hard deadlines, and only be allowed delays in end stages for QA and polish, during main dev time the moment a studio has nothing to show after 12 months entire management needs to go.

This happens to all big tech companies, when they dont have to worry about revenue, there is no pressure to actually release anything.

>>714470685
Do I need to point you to Expedition 33? Balatro? Lies of P? Stellar Blade? Cyberpunk 2077? Palworld? Genshin Impact? Black Myth Wukong? Wuthering Waves?
All original IPs within the past three or four years. I think Genshin is the oldest out of all of those at five.

Because Microsoft fucking hate gaming and only care about money, same as always. They've killed countless good games and studios.

>>714471257
>They've killed countless good games and studios.
Examples?

>>714464079
New meta is getting free paychecks until they're forced to release a game, because they know they'll be laid off the moment it gets out.

>>714441442
no consumer taste is dogshit there you go

>>714448249
I doubt it's so simple
Look at 343, obviously it was an incompetent studio but MS had them outsource a bunch of shit on Infinite and so they wasted millions on having pajeets write a completely worthless spaghetti code engine that they'll never use again. Maybe MS is too hands off, but when they do get involved it's retarded. That said, they have no reason to care, goys all use windows and Minecraft is the most popular game ever.

>>714440024 (OP)
>Why would Phil cancel something he clearly cares greatly about?

>This game is pretty fun but what's your monetisation plan
>You don't have one?

>>714468981
IP law is trash
Pure rent-seeking cancer
At least landlords still have an obligation not to let their buildings fall into disarray, patent trolls and IP hoarders provide literally nothing

>>714471684
>monetization
I fucking hate the antichrist

>>714440024 (OP)
>Phil! Bathroom!

Didn't he also claim that CoD would have more time to develop and be more polished under MS?
We are now at Call of Fortnite Black Ops SEVEN.

>>714440024 (OP)
he is a snake oil salesman
almost every puplic statement he makes is full of shit and something he doesn't believe

>>714463282
I'd say Yanderedev but even he managed to put out SOMETHING

>>714472004
>Call of Fortnite Black Ops SEVEN
If you want to play Call of Duty you have to stick to the campaign, the rest is M rated Fortnite.

>>714464079
>Develops ur games

>Go look for people from 343 who were laid off
>Find pic related
And xbots wonder why Halo is a shitshow nowdays

>>714449439
Eighty billion is just a number. All Satya has to do is remember that number to tell to DoD at their next meeting. Or DHS or whatever infinite money fountain he comes into contact with next. Think of it this way: you (burger or not) are buying eighty billion dollars of AI infrastructure for Microsoft by having to pay (80e9/20e12*100) percent more for everything. That's really not much and in return you can gen for free at Dall-E.

>>714440182
symptom blaming gets you nowhere, you have to find the cause first

>>714474115
she didn't get fired if anyone is wondering. Don't be a gooner and fall for culture war bullshit

>>714448528
They just bought them to take off stuff from Sony's plate, not because they had any plans on making stuff with them, for all intents and purposes they were trying to take Sony out with them rather than actually working towards something for their customers, it was pure desperation and spite.

>>714464991
the state is selfserving and is in bed with big business
they are enemy of the common people - who they regard as cattle to milk and slaughter

>>714467269
Imagine having FaceTime in 2009 and it was free and platform agnostic and you could dovetail it with your cell phone. Microsoft didn't have feature parity until 2021! Apple still has theirs locked down. YouTube never acheived feature parity and is actually worse than it was when Skype was released. "Always shit" I'm sure you've got a niche video messaging app that you've been using since Windows XP or something.

>>714464076
I hope not, I want it to flop

>>714467269
no, it was one of the most advanced and popular for its time, but instead of developing and improving it pajeetsoft made it worse, much worse
and killed it

>>714440024 (OP)
>TL:DR, Microsoft’s acquisition of Ninja Theory probably cost approximately £90.3 million and subsequent investment into Ninja Theory amounted to £92.2 million.
>Total revenue during this period amounted to approximately £23 million.
25 years of not making a single CENT in the market. The biggest astroturf in gaming is still mostly intact. Phil, you had ONE job.

>>714468748
Bad management can easily be cucked by selling info. When you go to work, the managers and owners want you to think that the balance of authority tilts entirely in their favor. In fact, they have little in the way of power, because they don't know how anything works, have no idea where the information is, and don't know who is doing what, for bad or good. They might have access to money, but only "might". They probably have sympathy with higher-tier managers and owners, but only "probably". They want you to think that the legal authorities have their back, but they absolutely do not want to test that because they have far more to lose. The internet is chock full of "hacked" stolen or leaked data for sale. If management is fucking up, get yours before it's too late.

>>714440024 (OP)
Hilarious that they're still trying the 'relatable gamer' schtick.

>>714440182
Who hired the Indians?

Phill also said he played everwild too.

Yeah.

>>714457243
>They've evaluated that the MMO playerbase is too attached to their current games
then they've come to the wrong conclusion. The MMORPG field is prime for a new big hit. WoW and FFXIV are all that keep it afloat as a market in real terms, and both are dated with massive player fatigue. People are looking for a game to switch to, but the problem is you have to make an actually good game. I doubt they were making an actually good game honestly so it was probably the right business call.

>>714440024 (OP)
They had to cancel Perfect Dark, Joanna's chin cost far too much to render, please understand.

>>714440024 (OP)
>Hey look everyone! Phil Spencer enjoys playing games! He's just like all of you!
Fucking lies. The guy has never done so much as LOOKED at a controller before. He's interested in money, not video games. This is a propaganda spin that's being pushed because of SKG.

>>714450007
Microsoft needs Nintendo Producers. Many stories out of studio's like Retro, Slicing Knights, or Mercury Steam about Nintendo Producer's being legendary who crackers who will can a game early if a core mechanic isn't locked down.

>>714465236
>imagine if Russia... ...paid bunch of American news networks to shill their narrative
haha wow that'd be fucking wild

>>714440024 (OP)
White people sure fucked up MS

>>714440024 (OP)
>wait, is this addictive gameplay
>shut it down

>>714453618
no need gaming is moving towards phones and pseud pc consoles.

>>714443759
bethesda and blizzard is where all the money went

>>714448528
more like
>buy failing incompetent studios
>the moment the deal is struct leadership cashes out and leaves
>put women in charge of making sure things are done
>shit studios dont produce anything
>5 years later and 200mln$ spent per studio you have no game and are hundreds of million$ poorer
>realize you were scammed, close studio down
>learn nothing

>repeat

>>714477029
What kind of unholy blackmail do Tameem and Media Molecule have on their various owners and Sony respectively to be like this? MM in particular, they spent like seven years devving Dreams if I remember right while being based in London only to sell around 2 million or so copies (With most of them likely being on heavy discount). I have no idea how either of them stay afloat.

They can just make up whatever they want and post it on the internet.

>>714440024 (OP)
>reportedly
gay fags lying

>>714456331
Todd.
And Zenimax ≠ Bethesda.

>>714463875
Xbox is no longer a competitor microsoft basically said this

>>714463875
Microsoft is no longer a competitor; they threw in the towel, they're going the Sega route + GamePass.

>>714453618
I think Sega will be dumb enough to think that they can with their new president.

>>714453618
>When they kill Xbox (and they absolutely fucking will) will anyone even try to fill their shoes or will Sony just dominate with endless shitty PS5 iterations?

Consoles are dying, Xbox hasn't been a threat to Playstation for over a decade, what's actually a threat is PC gaming and smartphones, and potentially cloud streaming if it somehow manages to pop off.

>>714440182
by not releasing another Redfall?

>>714448068
Blaming kumar for Microsoft is like blaming lunchtime rowdies for your Wendy's service. They were never meant to succeed. MS has always been this way. They generate gorillions from monopolies and use them to buy everything that isn't locked down in the hopes of making the next monopoly. Everything that has to seriously compete gets closed down.