so is it any good?

>>714454775 (OP)
Easily GOTY Best JRPG since at least the early 2000s

>>714454775 (OP)
Im only in act 1 but im enjoying it so far. Maelle owes me sex.

>>714454775 (OP)
Its a generic jrpg except the characters are brown instead of anime

>>714454775 (OP)
It's okay.

Apparently so.
>inb4 everyone is wrong

>>714454775 (OP)
It's GOTY so yeah it's good.

>>714454775 (OP)
unironically GOTY

>>714454775 (OP)
not goty but it's amazing given the number of devs and the price. if it was a full price game the reception wouldn't have been as good

>>714454775 (OP)
it's great. the white man has saved the JRPG genre.

>>714454775 (OP)
Very

It was everyones favorite game of all time for 2 entire weeks.

>>714454775 (OP)
My favorite single player title of the last 10 years.

>>714454775 (OP)
An easy 10/10. Sure, some people overreact by calling it the best thing ever created, but generally everyone who actually played it, likes it, as long as they don't mind the parrying/dodging mechanics.

>>714455426
>I haven't played the game, but here's my "opinion"
>also, have this lie as a bonus

>>714462234
What's the GOTY then?
And E33 is one game I wouldn't mind paying 70 amerishekels for. In fact, I bought the deluxe version and the OST, even though I don't care about cosmetics and have my own music to listen to.

>>714454775 (OP)
Did a jrpg finally beat ff10?

>>714463418
>did a jrpg finally beat a game that isn't even in the top 5 of the series it belongs to?
Do NOT ask me how I know FFX was your first FF, possibly your first JRPG.

I really wanted to like it but the big ass empty maps are so boring to navigate through. No minimap was annoying too.

>>714463556
Nope. I've played every jrpg known to man. FFX was the only one to make me cry and it had the best combat. Ff9 is right next to it because of the world, combat, and story.

>>714464414
You took my advice, very good.

>>714454775 (OP)
yeah

>>714463068
>everyone who actually played it, likes it, as long as they don't mind the parrying/dodging mechanics.
I don't care about the mechanics but sure as hell care about the fact the story shits the bed after Act I.

>>714454775 (OP)
Solid 8/10

>>714454775 (OP)
It's alright
most of the reason everyone is crazy about it is the story and the music I suppose, though neither of them impressed me, the gameplay is serviceable
for me it was a 7/10 and when credits rolled I uninstalled it, couldn't bother with the post-endgame (I didn't buy it anyway, it was from shared library)
>inb4 you didn't play the game

>>714454775 (OP)
I've heard it's good, but I'm broke. Would love to play it.

>>714464530
except you're wrong. my first jrpg was ff7 when I was 6. Also played Chrono trigger, ff6, ff8, and ff9 before FFX.

>>714464530
>>714464718
+ Legend of dragoon

You're just too impatient for all the cutscenes probably

>>714464791
I finished Tales of Rebirth and Trails in the Sky. Each has probably 10 times as much text as FFX.

It's good, but wildly overhyped. A 7/10, maybe 8/10.
I think the hype comes from the fact we had a above-average turn-based RPG that wasn't coming from Japan, so people were kinda blindsided.

The gameplay is fine, exploration is basic as it can get, musics are pretty good, and story is ok, even if it's massively backloaded. The game has zero balance though.

>>714455042
That's what you retards said about Metaphor, I'm not falling for it again.

>>714467238
You sound like someone who hasn't played the game and formed his opinion based on others' posts.

>>714467489
Then pirate it or wait for a good sale. It's not going -50% soon, since it sold well, but good games don't stop being good just because a couple of years passed. And who knows, they might still add/fix some stuff in the future.

>>714468034
Well, you're wrong, what can I say.

>>714468180
You don't have to say anything. You only need to post one picture that proves you played the game, and then I will be the one at a loss of words.

>>714454775 (OP)
Finished the game last night (one of the endings) and it's very much GOTY material. Probably 9.5/10, but there is stuff to critizise
>lagging cutscenes on ps5
>casino is an unrewarding tease
>generic encounters are too short at some point, making most of the cool strategies locked to bosses
And from a narrative standpoint the story shifts significantly in the last act, and major themes are thrown out entirely.
French dub is excellent btw

>>714468481
I never take screenshots, but I don't see what seemed so weird in what I said earlier. Seems like a rather common opinion, if anythinng.
I don't have to prove you anything anyway.

>>714468481
>this guy isn't glazing the game and calling it a masterpiece (but still not calling it shit and whatnot), clearly he must be a contrarian and a liar
this isn't the first time I'm seeing this, you guys are brainwashed
for the record i'm not that anon but I agree with him for the most part, except the part about the game balance, and the music seemed kind of forgettable to me (save for the ost for the water level, and Monoco's jazz)

>>714467238
>its not about the game itself its about people being surprised it didn't come from japan
Get off the internet for a day.

>>714469052
>not at least 60h + all cheevos
You did NOT play the gayme.

>>714468991
That's what I thought.

>>714469052
Because in most cases it's the "pretend to be objective and don't care, and to make it less obvious say the game is a 7/10 instead of the worst shit ever made" attempt of shitting on a game without having played it. And indeed, in most cases then can't prove they played the game.
I'm 100% okay with the fact that some people didn't like the game. After playing it. There are no games, or media in general, that everyone will like.
And I don't think E33 is the best game or even the best JRPG (if we even call it a JRPG) ever made. But in my opinion it's a very good game that deserves a 10/10, even if it's not perfect, because if a game needs to be perfect to be 10/10, then there are no 10/10 games.

>>714454775 (OP)
i got a refund

>>714469742
Shame your mom was too late to get one.

>>714469821
rude and uncalled for

Yeah pretty much the best RPG in at least a decade. And I don't say that lightly.

>>714469052
>save for the ost for the water level
I quit after Act 1, but this track was definitely a standout.
Made me stop and listen. Love the section at 55s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeFkb3LsmlQ

>>714467238
>The game has zero balance though.

This is easily the game’s biggest problem, which I think is amplified by the Painted Picto and the fact that there’s no reason not to pour all your points into Might.

Also, this is a minor nitpick, but the climbing points are extremely immersion breaking, even though the game tries to give a story reason for them being there. Even slightly different textured ledges and footholds would have been a better aesthetic choice.

>>714469052
>the music seemed kind of forgettable to me

The soundtrack has grown on me over time, but I think it initially doesn’t feel memorable because most of the songs sound similar and use the same 2 or 3 leitmotifs (either recycling the Lumiere theme, Alicia’s theme or the final boss theme). Songs like Monoco’s theme and the Flying Waters themes stand out because they’re complete genre shifts, whereas the other tracks are all done in the same “wannabe Nier” orchestral tracks with female vocals.

>>714469948

>>714454775 (OP)
It has the best world map theme since Chrono Cross.

>>714470164
I really like the climbing holds. Not because of the holds themselves but because they represent the "those who come after" theme so well. It's a great way to integrate a major theme of the story into the actual gameplay. Same with the flags.

>>714471043
The flags are kino, especially since the numbers on them are accurate to the what expeditions actually made it that far. Some of the holds are placed in places that the expeditioners couldn’t have logically reached though, which is where the immersion breaking aspect comes in.

Also, I feel “For those who come after” is somewhat undermined by the Verso ending. Especially since the game so very obviously frames the Verso ending as the “good” ending. Despite that phrase, I think family is the stronger thematic through line throughout.

>>714454775 (OP)
It's good but don't fall for the best game ever made shit.

>>714471273
>the game so very obviously frames the Verso ending as the “good” ending
It doesn't. The game very clearly shows you that both endings are bad.

I don't think it's even in my top 10 but I wouldn't mind more games of this quality.

>>714454775 (OP)
no
act 1 is the only thing thats ok (and the reason it was pushed) the rest of the game shits itself hard

>>714454775 (OP)
Yeah.

I found it to be shallow and pedantic

Good but hypepilled. Not something you'd remember in a decade or ttwo and say it was a classic.

I took a break after getting to Act 3 cause I was losing interest. I tried playing some more yesterday but it just felt like a slog.
Not a bad game by any means but I don't understand the glazing.

>>714464705
>alright
>I suppose
>didn't impress me
>serviceable

You're trying way too hard. You have never played it. Totally fine if you had played it and this was actually your opinion, but you're so heavy handed with hammering in how 5/10 it was you obviously didn't.
People who actually played games don't talk like this about them, even the ones they find 5/10.

What's good about it exactly?

>>714473519
nobody is forcing you to do any post-game and you're a single dungeon away from finishing the game? That's 30min of gameplay + cutscenes.

>>714473539
>doesnt like the words i typed so im "trying too hard"
the post you're replying to basically translates to "it's ok. I think most people like it because of X, but I didn't like X that much"
I'm literally >>714469052
but if you dont believe me that's also fine

>>714473556
Facial expressions are literally top of the line, trumping pretty much any other game by far. FF16 probably was the number one before this, which cost square so many millions more to make.

Voice acting is incredible, andy serkis is objectively excellent and doesn't stand out compared to the rest, they're all that good. Attention was paid heavily to this, such that characters talk over each other at times like they would in real life, rather than alternate lines. Further, they know how to pull off both appropriate pauses and entire scenes without dialogue, in combination with the facial expressions being excellent. They don't overdo it and know restraint.

Art direction is both incredible and unique. It is distinctly european, and even then distinctly french. It's also highly varied, highly colourful without being anime overbearing, and just joyous to be in except when it wants not to be, which is the perfect balance.

Music is very similar. It knows when to vary, when to amp up the volume appropriately. 30 minutes in the game is capable of making people cry, largely in part to the music going on with the scene.

The story is brilliant. It's both initially very gripping right from the off, and complex and interesting as it adapts throughout. I do have my complaints about these story adaptations, but certainly many loved them.

Gameplay is fun, varied and rewarding. It's turn based so you can take a breather, but you must react to enemy turns which is both a fun challenge, and sets the mood of "after I do this attack, I'll have to deal with three enemy attacks before I can take a breather", which is unique for turn based and non turn based games. Again, there are some problems with the balance, but every character is very distinct and there's lots to enjoy.

It's difficult to see why people wouldn't praise it, regardless whether they thought it was 10/10 or not. Anyone saying it's 5/10 or awful just, are objectively incorrect, honestly.

>>714473959
EXACTLY the same playtime as Asmongold.

Lmao. Nice job using a screenshot from his stream, idiot.

>>714474059
I hate france, why couldn't they make an italy jrpg

>>714474108
>tfw I'm literally Asmongold
how do you even know that anyways? do you actually watch that guy? Never seen a single stream of his
Did he really play exactly 41.2 hours and uninstall it on june 22nd?
>>714474132
They'd have to make it entirely set in Naples to have the same vibe of a ruined, decadent world, that'd be disgusting

>>714474132
>an italy jrpg
Enotria gave a taste of that but it's kind of ass
Would be nice to have visuals like that with different gameplay style

>>714474409
No I'm just making up bullshit to mirror yours.
You obviously have an incentive to call it so mediocre when it plainly isn't. Either you actually have a reason like you work for a competitor, or more likely you're just baiting people like me. Good job, I was trolled ecks dee.
Even though I know it's not your real opinion, I will say if it were, you're unpleasable. This game is universally praised by the public (fuck what critics think good and bad), so you cannot enjoy what is straight up enjoyable.

>>714474538
>call it mediocre
7/10 isn't mediocre though, not to me
are you that narrow minded that the scale for you is only "abysmal dogshit" - "mediocre" - "masterpiece"?
If it were mediocre I wouldn't have played it to the end for 40 hours, but it was no masterpiece, not for me

>>714473449
>Not something you'd remember in a decade or ttwo and say it was a classic.
Why not? Within the genre it does stand out a lot.
Tell me an iconic turn based rpg of this type from the past 20 years that isnt anime garbage. All I got is FFX which is from 2001. Maybe Lost Odyssey too, from 2007 but a bit more obscure

I rally liked it but it was so tiring because of how much of a sensory overload it felt like at all time.
The music, the plot, the combat, the pacing, etc.. this game doesn't let you breathe for ONE second. Only in act 3 does it really let you take your time and explore but story wise it doesn't make any sense to do so.

I hated having to assign my stats on level up, the game could've done without the whole stat and manually leveling weapons system, just tie the stats to weapons, and level weapons by using them or naturally throughout the game (like it already kind of does but you have to find the right encounter that randomly levels a specific weapon). The game has all these background systems that make you feel like you're always making bad choices when they in fact do not matter at all but required your time anyway.

>>714475169
The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV

>>714475169
Not that guy but to me it's the most unique JRPG style game since The Last Remnant

>>714475514
>The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel IV
do you know what "not anime garbage" means?

>>714475169
There's Resonance of Fate, but as fun as the game was, its quality is nowhere near E33.

>>714476305
I'm pretty sure it was a joke, otherwise he wouldn't post the most "generic anime" JRPG of the last decade.

>>714475456
>The game has all these background systems that make you feel like you're always making bad choices when they in fact do not matter at all but required your time anyway.
That's the "I loved dark souls so we will shoehorn every single DS mechanics into our game" kind of stuff.
Stats and weapons were annoying and had no business being like that.

>>714462509
Yes anon...it's a single player JRPG, how often in quick succession would one play it?

The game is decent. It's just the first "jrpg" in a while that didn't feature anime-isms so a lot of people who don't really read books think it's mature and deep.
Clair Obscur is made like when someone who loves videogames hot glues everything he likes about his favorite games together while not comprehending why those aspects worked in the first place.

The story is written with no finesse. The writer fails to utilize basic principles of story writing, mainly Chekhov's gun. The worldbuilding and character development are both just plain unrewarding. Nothing gets appropriately set up, nothing gets delivered on.

The game direction struggles in maintaining and manipulating tone depending on story beats. For example, the overworld is established with somber music from the get-go and maintains this vibe all throughout the game, completely ignoring the player's progression in the story. Imagine if FFVII's overworld started and maintained the ominous meteor music all throughout.

The battle system, while being a refreshing take, is not thoroughly thought out in terms of being a jrpg. Jrpgs tend to run 40+ hours easily and battles have no random element the same way an action game does. Turn-based game enemies are the same every encounter; they go through a list of predictable moves. There are no spatial aspects to take into account like dodging left and falling off a ledge. At some point, it gets repetitive which leads most players to grind for gear and overlevel so they can steamroll for the next story beat or the next grand boss that spices things up. If you add in QTEs for parrying and dodging for every encounter for 40+ hours and severely punish the player for not doing so even though they sunk enough time in your game to gear and level characters, it makes normal battles feel like a chore. Severely punishing systems like these work for souls-like games because they are action games that have different player experiences for each and every encounter.

7/10 at most.

>>714470006
>man who has played one rpg in a decade

>>714455284
>on model nude mod is behind a paywall.
fml.

Just did my 2nd playthrough, Lune, Verso, Monoco, Mon never even got a turn, lune with light stains sets everything on fire, verso shoots stuff to refund his ap then drops that build up attack for like 2.5mm, beat simon, 1st try no cheese, got canvas'd, maelle and sciel were on clean up. Realized to late that 5ap skill that "breaks enemy upon death" is the real FU skill in the game, should be like 40 points.

>>714454775 (OP)
I thought It was a solid 8 then realized, was there anything thing better than this? 10/10

>>714454775 (OP)
Nah don't play it. No, stop, what are you doing?? ANON NO I SAID DON'T PL

>>714479292
>verso shoots stuff to refund his ap
Nigger just use energy master and cheater
Using free aim is pure cuckoldry

>>714454775 (OP)
Nope. It's a game for people who like the idea of JRPGs but don't actually like JRPGs. Best way I can explain it is that it's like if a retarded 12 year old played Final Fantasy, Persona and Elden Ring and then tried to combine them all into a game. It's entirely artless.

>>714469663
>I'm 100% okay with the fact that some people didn't like the game
no you're not, you're chimping out because someone didn't call E33 10/10
>But in my opinion it's a very good game that deserves a 10/10
games don't "deserve" anything, they are just art, it sounds like your opinion is heavily biasing you to defend the game because you think its wrong for people give it a lower score
>because if a game needs to be perfect to be 10/10, then there are no 10/10 games.
agreed, however in my opinion E33's act 3 is too narratively dissonant to be called a 10/10, which only minor flaws should be waived for. I say it's a 8/10 or even 9/10, which is still great. Its music however, is easily 10/10.

>>714480738
>act 3 is too narratively dissonant to be called a 10/10
Why do people always think the big climax should be at the end of Act 3? Complaining about "narrative dissonance" is low IQ as hell, the entire point of the 3 Act structure is that the conflict has been resolved by the end of Act 2, therefore Act 3 HAS to be different

>>714469663
Are you ever not on these boards sucking E33's dick and complaining that people "haven't played the game"? Get a life.

>>714480968
>Complaining about "narrative dissonance" is low IQ as hell
You sound like a very stupid person.

we found an all white 4chan. they said there was 'limitless energy'!

>>714480968
>musical performance often has 2 act plays
>verso was a pianist
>pVerso's scheme ended in act2
yeah, I say kino

>>714482131
>Verso is a pianist
>Maelle holds her sword like a violin bow
>music involving the family have piano and violin playing

>>714480968
It's actually not about climax or anything like that, I actually really liked the parts when Renoir (best character) finally breaks free and then his conversation during the final fight. The whole deal with Lumiere being real or not is good, it's in line with the themes of the game. It's more about characters being sidelined, important parts of the story being relegated to optional content, and even the final choice feeling like forced for the sake of discussion. I get it, it's not meant to be a happy ending, it's meant to make you think and live with the tragedy, however that doesn't mean I have to like it. And no one should be called low IQ for engaging critically with art, that's why it's art, it's interpreted differently based on perspective.

>>714467489
I dropped Metaphor and loved E33. I never played a game where parry matters. First 10% of game I found it annoying, next 80% I enjoyed, last 10% it was too easy. It was on GamePass when I played it, I'll probably buy it on Steam when it is on sale of expansion comes out.

My issue with the game is that it punishes you for exploring.
>do literally anything that’s not bouncing from one story area to the next
>wind up OP
>DON’T do that and come back in Act 3 to clean up
>they’re all too easy
I installed 2x HP for all enemies, including bosses, and was still killing everything before it got to move by Old Lumiere. Felt like I got cheated out of half a game.

>>714474059
>The story is brilliant
>continues to talk about it's presentation

>>714482652
Oh, and before anyone says to just handicap myself, it’s not the player’s job to balance the fucking game. If you can’t balance encounters around the possibility that players might actually want to explore the damn world, then either fix it or don’t let them do that.

>>714482781
They now give you the option to increase up, damage and limit your own damage by act 3.

>>714482232
To me the final choice is more about giving the player who has been controlling these two characters since the beginning basically agency on who he wants to see make it through.
Clearly there's an ending that wraps up the whole tragedy and is very in line with the game's themes while the other is a complete cope-out, almost like a fanfiction "what if" ending that was clearly not the intended one.
I don't mind that it's there but I would've preferred if the player remained a non-entity all the way through, not someone with the power to "decide the fate of the canvas".

>>714481810

>>714473519
Nigga act 3 is like 5 minutes long? Do you have Indian IQ wtf???

>>714478608
I stop reading after the first sentence.

>>714482740
Talking about the story in-depth ruins it for anyone that wants to go in blind.

>>714485629
who the hell enters an E33 thread and assumes they will avoid spoilers lol

>>714454775 (OP)
arguably the best game made in decades

>>714455042

>>714457353
This.