Thread 714457962

RARE was the one developer keeping the N64 from total irrelevance. You think garbage like Yoshi's Story was doing it? Fuck no (which, btw, Perfect Dark sold more copies than it)

Reminder that Goldeneye outsold literally every Gaycube game at over 8 million copies.

>B-b-but

They would've made Diddy Kong Racing 2 for the GC and it would've sold a ton and I have no doubt it would've been better than Double Trash.

>>714457962 (OP)
Nintendo don't care about gaijins, they can be contractors but that is all

>>714458590
>Iwata takes a pay cut to keep employees when things are looking grim

If those developers were westerners, he would've fired them instead and kept the money for himself.

>>714457962 (OP)
You know the people behind Goldeneye and Perfect Dark left to form Free Radical right?

Such a shame that Nigtendo SCREWED Rare and hurt themselves in the process

>>714458765
A lot of people also left id between games. What's your point? Unless they also took the technology, they could've done a sequel. While PDZ has a terrible story, it still has decent technology under the hood, especially the multiplayer bots

>>714459107
>Unless they also took the technology, they could've done a sequel.
People matter
You can give some random team the tech EPD uses to make Zelda games and that still wouldn't guarantee them making a good game period

Most of Rare staff left before Microsoft purchased them. Considering that many of Rare's Xbox titles started development for the GameCube, I doubt Rare would of lived up to their N64 days if they stayed with Nintendo. The talent had dried up.

>>714459224
>Most of Rare staff left before Microsoft purchased them.
That's actually a myth
www.youtube.com/watch?si=b_UjrponDn2F2aCs&t=1482&v=mWHCmGO3b8M&feature=youtu.be

>>714459180
Well I have played Timesplitters 2 and I really don't like it. The time gimmick feels like a way to jingle keys at the player "ooooh look a new era" and justifies possibly using assets from cancelled games.

Darkwatch, IMO, mogs Timesplitters -- coop and all.

>>714459327
Yeah I always read that narrative as cope and seethe from Nigtendo fanboys who knew Nintendo absolutely screwed the pooch and just don't want to admit it.

Nintendo hates swarthoids

Reminder that tendies try to rewrite history and pretend Luigi's Mansion is a classic when nobody back then liked it. Tendies just grew up with it.

https://youtu.be/ZXIH2HUfskc

>>714460813
rent free
https://www.metacritic.com/game/luigis-mansion/critic-reviews/?platform=gamecube

>>714460813
>>714461625
Reminder shills rewrite history and pretend jornos where ever anything when they have always been hacks.

>>714458765
Then they KWAB'ed themselves by making a Snoy PS3 exclusive. Traitors never prosper.

>>714461897
Luigi's Mansion still sucks and this is the first good one.

I can't even believe there are people who dislike this one, but they have no soul and prefer 2 hour rental fodder like LM1

>>714457962 (OP)
We got Metroid Prime out of the Rare money at least. Regardless, still no telling if Rare's gravy train would've lasted under 6th gen Nintendo.

>>714462618
>>We got Metroid Prime out of the Rare money at least
>Midroid Mid

Joking, but couldn't we have both RARE making Banjo 3, Diddy Kong Racing 2 and PD2 for the Gamecube and Metroid Prime 1 and 2?

>>714457962 (OP)
>Nintendo should've never allowed RARE to leave
Nintendo were smart to get rid of them. They knew their best days were behind them and that nobody gave a flying fuck about collectathon platform games with wacky talking animals anymore.

>>714458765
Nobody here has a clue about this sort of thing.
They only follow franchises, not creators.
It's embarrassing. Especially coz Timesplitters 2 was better than Goldeneye and Perfect Dark combined.

>>714464067
See: >>714459402

Hot take but I really don't like TS2 and I owned it back in the day.

Here's the N64's "dream team" after all the Japanese devs abandoned them. Except for RARE, KWAB.

The majority of Rare's best staff left long before the buyout
I can't believe you retards still think Rare could have been saved

>>714465848
See: >>714459327

It's a Nintendie myth to cope for Nintendo's big mistake

>>714457962 (OP)

I agree and they would have been treated better than they were at microshit too

>>714457962 (OP)
You put a picture of GE but all the people who made that left in 1999 as you know, and PD was sticky taped together by nu hires and sold 2M to GE's 8 and then the games they made after that sucked and didn't even sell a million so your whole argument is retarded

>>714457962 (OP)
rare stunk by the time they were let go

>>714465612
anon...
>Rockstar San Diego/ Mr Bones
>Rockstar North / Lemmings and Unirally
>Rareware
>sierra entertainment
>tetris
>midway
The fact that all of these developers fell off the face of the earth in the mid 90s and only half of them recovered doesnt mean that this isnt a list that includes every western titan of the era, outside of shit like maxis (but even then they have the people who port maxis games)

>>714457962 (OP)
Goldeneye was a mediocre game even for its time but it was one of the first console Fps that wasn't just another broken port of Doom 1993.

>most beloved symbol in gayming
>just dies

>>714457962 (OP)
Rare were falling off towards the end of the N64 and Nintendo could see the writing on the wall, that's why they were let go. the absolute flops that were Kameo and Grabbed by the Ghoulies (both of which were originally being developed for the GCN) proved them right.

>>714471986
Both of those would've sold better on cube

>>714471986
you repeat this tendie cope in every thread

>>714472895
>why do people keep giving me the same answer for my dumb question? must be the same guy stalking me across the internet

>>714472371
only because the GCN had shit for good exclusives.

>>714457962 (OP)
Nintendo had no say in the matter. They only owned 49% of Rare. The Stamper brothers wanted a big payout, and Nintendo didn't have the power to stop the sale.

Nintendo and Rare had been butting heads for a while. Jet Force Gemini, Perfect Dark and Conker were self-published by Rare, and Rare successfully fought for more control over their projects. (Even Diddy Kong Racing was self-published!) Nintendo was losing their influence over Rare, and they weren't fond of this arrangement.

I'm not convinced that Nintendo would have stopped Rare from leaving even if they could. The relationship was souring, and they got a huge ROI from the sale.

>>714457962 (OP)
Retro studies > rare

>>714473341
>I'm not convinced that Nintendo would have stopped Rare from leaving even if they could. The relationship was souring, and they got a huge ROI from the sale.

Yeah MS paid nearly $400m for Rare. So Nintendo would have got about $200m for their shares. Then Nintendo bought Retro Studios for $1m.

Nintendo got Retro Studios for 0.5% of what they got for selling their stake in rare.

>>714464067
Ts2 was way clunkier than either and had worse damage modelling/hit reactions. More of a bullet sponge game with crappy weapons. The bots and party game modes (infection) give it an edge but as an fps its like a 3/10 to PDs 10/10

>>714462553
It's the only one out of the trio to completely bore me into not finishing it. 1 was perfect.

>>714459180
Most of PD's development was done after the key devs left to make TS so it doesnt seem like they mattered that much. Granted key design was carried over from goldeneye

>>714473452
Lmao no

>>714473510
Yeah that's a pretty good payday, but you know, if you sold your first born son, that might be a good payday too.

>>714473768
Thank you. I think it gets way too obtuse compared to PD, which I already think was pushing it with some objectives. Plus I don't see the appeal of the time travel gimmick.

Goldeneye was great for two reasons:
>the dev team was all inexperienced in game development and were just making something they thought was cool
>the level design was unique for a FPS they meant it to be a Time Crisis clone before someone suggested just giving the player the ability to move on their own
they never sat down and tried to make a great FPS game, it just kinda morphed into an FPS when all their ideas began to synergize together mid-development (shocking both Nintendo and the Bond license holders).

>>714473964
2D rare was good but 3d rare was shit

>>714473818
Rare fell off hard by the time we got Star Fox Adventures but even discounting that turd of a game you still had the actual garbage on the GBA and even DK64 which was a very mediocre product propped up by n64 diehards

>>714474040
One more note: If you play Goldeneye today, most levels have sections where you are relatively safe from gunfire but enemies will group in front of you to try to kill you. These are likely the points during development where they would stop Bond for the Time Crisis shooting segment parts they planned.

>>714474001
>Plus I don't see the appeal of the time travel gimmick
Always felt half assed to me because they reused so many guns through the eras.

>>714473818
Yeah sorry for a game actually having fucking content, nostalgiafag.

>>714474040
Funny to hear that, because as a kid, I used Goldeneye to emulate Time crisis at home, hiding behind crates to reload and coming up to deal with enemies before moving ahead a segment, and it just worked.

>>714461625
I don't get the post, the metacritic shows a 78 and 81 with users (who are mostly on 3DS)

>>714457962 (OP)
Problem boils down to Microsoft and the American legal system for allowing them to just get away with anything they want and maintain a monopoly whilst providing subpar products and services. They can just offer so much money to buy anything that no sane person could refuse, and when they own it it inevitably ends up turning to shit under their management. Hopefully Steam OS takes a bite out of them when it comes time to upgrade from Win 10.

>>714475468
tbf Sony did the same shit. Buying companies so that the competition can't have them can just win you. When they entered the gaming industry Sony bought Pygnosis (Studio Liverpool who Sony now shut down), who were the biggest European publisher at the time with like 50% marketshare and it utterly crippled Nintendo and SEGA in that region.

>>714476146
*can just win you the market

>>714475468
Yeah but look at Microsoft now