what the fuck is valve doing

>>714459373 (OP)
What is this game? Artifact sequel?

She killed the game. No one wants old women in their games so they all left

It was fun until people learned it was a Moba and the real skill expression you're going against isn't how good other players are at playing the videogame but how good they are at adapting to developers chasing the meta every few weeks, which is done by autistically consuming and testing every change for hours on end that real people with real jobs that aren't wasting their life away towards a hobby that offers nothing in return do not have the time to do.

Issue is if they don't update or fuck the meta up every so often it's called a dead game and so these places are required to constantly add new heroes because it's how they receive $$$$$$$$$

fucking trash. @me with the last date chess has a new piece added to the game in order to sell new chess sets.

valve should just open this game up temporarily after a big update or make it only playable on weekends until it's fully released, because for a moba 26 characters is low and we haven't gotten a major update since like april or some shit. Valve said that 2025 was going to be a year focused on releasing chracters and yet 4 got released in January and then... nothing for 6 months.

Also the switch from 4 lanes to 3 lanes was garbage. solo lanes weren't a problem if you just switched lanes with people who had a better 1v1 hero.

Overwatch babbys flocking to deadlock thinking it was a hero shooter and retching in disgust upon realizing that they have to buy items, have map awareness, and manage creep waves will always be hilarious. You can tell when you have a bunch of Overwatch players in your lobby when all they want to do is teamfight every chance they have, even when it's a terrible place or time to do so. I've heard OverShitters criticize Deadlock by saying that it's TIME TO KILL is too long as if it was a shooter like call of duty or halo. Needless to say they will come crawling back to Deadlock the instant that valve makes a deathmatch mode

I stand by the idea of creating a side mode that steps away from being an assfaggot

I miss Underlords.

>>714460953
Overwatch has Stadium which centers around buying items and creating builds. No creeps through.

>>714460953
agree with everything except the time to kill argument, that's a valid term in basically every pvp game based around directly defeating an opponent. you could even argue it in card games if you wanted

>>714459373 (OP)
the biggest issue with the game is none of the characters are actually cool expect a few when you look at a game like dota 2 the characters just pop to you same with league just doesnt hit the same with deadlock

great game gameplay wise for sure nothing like it

>>714459373 (OP)
Instead of deadlock it should be alivekeyed

>>714460607
I don't think I've played since before they changed the lanes. I really liked having 4 lanes.

>>714459373 (OP)
Their greatest strategy that worked with everything else other than games: Nothing.

>>714459373 (OP)
Hiring a porn artist to ruin a character's design.

>>714459373 (OP)
Working in their super secret alpha environment so they don't have to deal with russoids who don't even care about playtesting anymore
I don't know why I didn't get an invite to it, but I didn't, so I'm not bothering anymore

>made a play test for the play test
Wouldn't be necessary if they banned all Russians

It's fun thoughever

>>714462006
Gentrifying Ivy is the worst mistake Valve has made during the entire history of the company.

>>714459373 (OP)
>Fans of hero shooters don't want to fuck around with moba mechanics
>Fans of moba's would rather just play dota or league
>huge surge in popularity until people realised what it was and marvel rivals released

The player base they are targeting is just too niche. I had tons of fun when I played it and thought I would play it loads then just got tired of it. Also I think the game is very difficult and the skill ceiling will be gigantic. It's not a slow deliberate macro focused game like dota and it isn't just a quick skill shot game with eco like league is. The camera angle really increases the difficulty compared to other mobas and on top of all of this you need good aim.

I think it's really unique but I can't see it having a big playerbase.

>>714459373 (OP)
>what the fuck is valve doing
milking the gambling money out of cs2
they haven't done anything right since 2014. In fact I think they intentionally do the opposite.

>>714463492
Agree. It's a niche as fuck difficult game that demands skills from shooters and mobas. And it's pvp so git gud or git shit on.

Best move to get players would be to pivot it into a PvE roguelite ala aghanims lab. Still allows skill expression, character builds and hero combinations. Removes the spend 1000hours gitting gud or have an asbolutely miserable experience aspect.

But I think valve will likely just drop it like a sack of potatoes because they love doing that. See: artifact and underlords and tf2 past a certain point.
A shame.

>>714462416
You want an invite to deadlock? I can give you one if you want. Not the super duper sikrit one tho I don't have access to it, must be nice not playing with ruskies....

deadlock seems like one of those """MOBAs""" that will devolve into team brawling sooner and sooner
i just wish one genuinely cared about laning

>>714465228
I agree I think it's getting dropped, or at the very least complete genre switch. I really can't see a way for it to achieve a big player base in the current design. It's just too niche and competes with other valve games that do individual aspects of it better: Dota, CS, TF2.

>>714460953
Overwatch is a game?
Regardless, what is the point of making you buy stats from the shop?
Just completely pointless information to memorize and process in a game that is already has complicated mechanics and skill expression.
Even the active counter items seem like a bandaid for balance because they make stupid abilities that boil down to press x to win unless the enemy buys this item to press y to counterwin.
No need to half ass trying to match old games when it could become a better version of a moba.
Having cool movement and objectives is already enough.

>>714459551
yup

Don't they have the Risk of Rain guy working on it too?
I would love the game to lean to that kind of direction instead of being a first person MOBA
Maybe it's just me getting tired of them after spending thousands of hours across Dota All-stars, Dota 2 and League

>>714467516
Risk of rain sucks and the last thing I'd like to hear is that they pivot their dota 3 into a fucking roguelike survivors game.

>>714467772
I just want a Valve shooter with less tedium and less metagaming tbhonest
Drawing the line at autistic CS grenade angles

>>714467772
>>714467516
Deadlock has such a neat movement system I wouldn't mind playing some PvE roguelite with it.

Risk of rain 2 is a meh game carried entirely by presentation and the gambling aspect of items/runs.

sex with Abrams


https://vocaroo.com/14H3NrEz4ZHu

Artifact-ing it. They keep making games too complicated for anyone except autists, with dogshit monetization, no advertising, and no content, then wonder why nobody plays their new games.

>>714468309
sex with samoan joe?

>>714459373 (OP)
Where's the girl with a skirt and thighhigh socks, I want her now

>>714468172
When I suggested the idea I was thinking more of RoR's randomized loot system
It's not gonna work as an esport however, and let's be honest they would want this to be one (if it ever comes out)

>>714462871
They never wanted to make the game public to begin with

>>714469968
theyve got enough esports. The bubble for that has popped somewhat and i think the market is oversaturated.
High number pve gains more of a market the problem is player retention without having to release endless content.

>>714460953
I like itemization and the map but holy fuck farming minions is the worst god damn mechanic ever in a game. People call it chore gameplay but its even worse than that, its fucking assembly line job gameplay

>>714471024
I wouldn't mind it that much if it wasn't for the soul stealing, I know skill issues but I hate laning against the likes of Haze

>No trailer at Summer Gamesfest
>No open beta in July
WHERE'S GAEM

>>714459373 (OP)
I love, love, love Dota to death and still play regularly, but I don't think Deadlock should be a Dota clone, it just doesn't feel right.

>>714467096
>Even the active counter items seem like a bandaid for balance because they make stupid abilities that boil down to press x to win unless the enemy buys this item to press y to counterwin.
That's the Dota design philosophy and i agree with it entirely as that permits some really busted and unique mechanics to be made. The alternative is to design the game like sm*te and have every spell be near identical, just with different numbers.

Shitty gay redditor fanbase will ruin this game. You already have troons trying to defend current shitty placeholder low poly designs of Ivy and Yamato lol.

>>714459373 (OP)
Why does titty lady have bacon in her hologram arm

Game was okay when you could left click your way to victory with Vindicta and Infernus but now everything's nerfed and "fair" it's just your usual moba slop but in thirdperson perspective.
There are more rewarding games out there for people who can aim.

>>714460953
>Needless to say they will come crawling back to Deadlock the instant that valve makes a deathmatch mode
Absolutely delusional, no one gives a fuck about Deadlock and will never.
There are so many better hero shooters with YEARS on Deadlock, it's insane that you think this failed complexity-slop game will ever be relevant to anyone or anything.

>>714467096
>Even the active counter items seem like a bandaid for balance because they make stupid abilities that boil down to press x to win unless the enemy buys this item to press y to counterwin.

>>714459373 (OP)
Mommy Geist...

>complexityslop
The quality of discussion on this board has been on a catastrophic decline.

>>714474884
mobas are definition of complexity for the sake of complexity
gameplay is not deep so they try to create fake complexity by spamming game with billion heroes, abilities and items you need to memorize or you'll lose to knowledge check
an idiot worships complexity a genius admires simplicity
we don't fucking need 100 different heroes all doing the same shit

>>714475140
I forgot that /v/ got filtered by Dota 2 in the sweltering summer of 2013.

>>714475439
bro you got filtered from warcraft 3 the easiest rts of 2003

>>714459373 (OP)
Ban AI posters already before it's too late.

>>714474765
>there are better hero shooters
Like what?

If they made jungle creeps fun a lot of the tedium would vanish. Like imagine you just added HL1 monsters. Headcrabs, houndeyes, bullsquids, vorts, roaming witch style megamob, etc being semi-aggressive in the jungle, would make farming way more fun

>>714459373 (OP)
melee kioled the game. nobody wants to play against that cancer melee system. it is just strictly anti fun ehen you play against a person who faints their melee charge.

>>714477671
melee is just rps aids and adds basically nothing to the game

>>714459373 (OP)
I'm just appalled at how Valve has spent nearly 2 years since the game got leaked and they STILL don't have a majority of ths roster updated with new proper models. We got... Abrams, McGinnis and Dynamo, that's it. Do they lack a 3D modeler that can work on the game fulltime? I'm tired of the micro gameplay balancing updates.

mom i mean mommy i mean mommy i mean mama i mean mommy please

>>714478294
they have new 3D models, they're just not releasing them

>>714477671
Didn't they remove feinting?

No one plays MOBAs anymore, even lol is dying.

>>714479851
There's half a mil active dotards 24/7 for 10 years now.

>>714459373 (OP)
What they're best at: nothing

>>714471283
this but for deadlock, should i get into dota 2? i play a variety of people but mostly i play shiv, lash, and seven. i dont wanna play axe cause he looks lame but is there a seven like character in dota

>>714481086
Don't get into Dota 2.
People will tell you how Dota is amazing. Those people have not played Dota in years.
Dota is on such a downward trajectory right now it's insane. Literally stealing league's macro level changes from 2010~2016 except accelerated over 2 years.

>>714481086
>dont wanna play axe cause he looks lame
Dont play dota if you're gonna have such a shitty opinion.
You're likely to enjoy dota if you like deadlock, the levelling pace is slower in dota but there's plenty of similar items, roles and skills.
The moment to moment gameplay isnt quite as engaging because movement isnt as complex but you'll have to adapt to camera movement and the potential of 7 active items.

Pos 4 (top lane support) is a good place to learn the basics with no pressure ogre magi, witch doctor, nyx. The deadlock equivalents of lash and seven are probably Storm spirit and/or magnus for Lash. Crystal maiden or Leshrac for Seven.

>>714475439
Go die in a ditch in Ukraine Ivan

>>714468346
>dogshit AAA studios making movie games for journalists, games should be challenging
>nooo not like that

>>714481086
>but is there a seven like character in dota
Depends on what you find appealing about Seven.
A hero with the highest farming potential who can sweep through half the map factory farming camps like a tidal wave? Naga carry, but she needs very good micro. Even has the same point and click stun Seven does.
If you want Seven's ult, Crystal Maiden, but she's a support. She just has very high damage spells that punch far above her net worth with few items needed.

I fucking hate Valve, i just know if i play this i will end up with 5k hours just like Dota just because im a fucking addict to the source engine

>>714484960
>because im a fucking addict to the source engine
how many hours in apex?

>>714484986
Zero and i kinda regret it because it would probably have been the only BR game i could tolerate playing, CSGO danger zone was a fucking cluster fuck.

Reminder that Uncle Dane ruined any chance this game had of having good feedback by bringing a horde of invite beggars into the alpha playtesting.

>>714485523
Why Valve didn't sue him yet I have no idea, they organized an international police sting to throw the HL2 leaker in the slammer for less.

>>714485603
He is probably in a Tyler situation where he is just blacklisted from having any information.

this game is pandering to an audience that doesn't exist

>>714486334
What is the audience they are trying to pander to?

>>714486459
Moba enjoyers that can aim

>>714486545
can you crouch?

>>714459373 (OP)
Wasnt there a new girl in stockings? I cant find her in the catalog

>>714459373 (OP)
>open up Hero shooter
>look inside
>Moba

If anyone remembers Super Monday Night Combat... that shit was a hero shooter/moba done right, where individual skill mattered as much as the skills you upgraded. Also felt WAY less snowballing.

>>714459373 (OP)
I played it, it's solid, but nothing to hold me there outside of the few hours I put into it, back in August that is. The characters are and still are ugly as sin, the entire art design is a turn off. Take me back to 2000's era Valve in terms of design any day.

>>714487387
>open up Hero shooter
Nobody said it's a hero shooter except dumb journo articles

>>714488253
I fell for the hero shooter thing, mostly because I didn't stay up to date with it. It didn't help that the artstyle especially for heros is mega ass.

>>714475140
>gameplay is not deep
Why do ESLs always have to get filtered and post this insane cope?

>>714479153
feel so wrong seeing lash with eyes

>>714479153
what is this phenotype called

>>714485523
this fat fuck is also responsible for the bot crisis

>>714460953
>Overwatch
VALVe made TF2 and CS:GO, retarded bitch. People were disappointed it plays like neither and that a VALVe team was dedicated to this dead-on-arrival genre mix for over a decade. No one wants this shit, ESPECIALLY in its rapidly-changing unfinished state that kept ruining (and "ruining") the balance metas people were used to.

Any EU players want to play? Am sick and tired of ruskies in my team

>>714478294
>Do they lack a 3D modeler that can work on the game fulltime?
Riot has more chinks working only on making hot anime renders for their social than Valve has employees period. I don't know why they're like this.

>>714488895
Learn to read nigger

>>714489339
>another artifact trash game for dotards
Yes. I am their sole target audience.

>>714471283
this wyvern looks like she has sex with me specifically

>>714486971
yeah you can crouch, slide (grants infinite ammo because style points) walljump, double jump, b-hop, dash, and dash-jump for bonus speed
the movement is the best part of the game

>>714489818
Ah, a fellow White man.

>>714486971
The movement is the best part of deadlock, it's all the comfiness of source engine physics and momentum with a ton of rice shoved in, but somehow the moves transition smoothly from one to the next

>>714486971
you want an invite?

>>714489885
>>714489986
that must be wild with bhop

>>714490025
thanks mate, but i dont wanna waste your invite on my throwaway account

>>714490828
it's like one click for me idc

>people care more about muh balance in an unfinished game than they care about the game actually being finished
moba players really are like that huh

>>714491114
yeah cause making viscous not joke-tier was totally not what we should be caring about right now in an invite-only alpha, icefrog needs to just shit the game out like every other AAA dev so we can get back to buying hats and scamming dipshits on SCM

>>714490921
i just checked and seems like limited accounts cant get invites which is probably a good thing really

>>714490828
Invites are infinite fyi, you're never wasting one
>>714491114
There's a difference in "discussing balance" between what a hero's fundamental role and kit should be about, and minutia like "increased Crystal Maiden's base armor by 1 and HP per STR gain by 0.6". At this point the game should focus on the first, not the latter, but icefrog gonna icefrog. And when the eceleb streamnigger mandate was forcibly lifted last year a lot of wannabe pros flocked in to try to "settle" in Deadlock as their stream game and fucked up discussion massively.
I was giving actual feedback on the forums before they decided to not put me on the ultra deluxe playtest and instead laeve me on the Russian containment pen so idgaf anymore desu ne.

>>714491550
ah damn, oh well my offer still stands if you still want to try. Or anyone else really

I'M DOING IT

i love (hate) this game please keep working valve

>>714490828
you don't gain any momentum with the b-hopping, but it lets you maintain momentum from things like jump pads much longer if you time it right

I like that kill rewards are split among assists, league players lose their marbles if you "ks"

>>714492654
this is one of the good things about it, now they just need to get rid of the soul orb mechanic entirely now that its gone form hero and objective kills. just admit denying was an accidental leftover from the WC3 engine and stop pushing it in every moba

>>714492923
>now they just need to get rid of the soul orb mechanic entirely
I don't know, I like the competition it adds
I think it was a shame they got rid of it from hero/tower kills too, it's the sovl evaporating from the game

>>714492923
I don't mind the soul orb on monsterkill until you spend it

>>714493208
I haven't played in months, they removed denying towers and heroes? That sucks ass. If anything they should have kept it for those and removed it from creeps.

>>714491780
too much for zblock

>>714493208
>>714492923
They should remove the denying part and have the souls in lane act as sustain instead of the medic troopers. that way there's still something else to shoot at in lane

I luv this game
I luv the constant balance hotfixes that ruin everything
I luv moba's
I luv mob farming
I luv soul denying
I luv Ivy

>>714494205
are you a "woman" by any chance

>>714494275
Nope, I'm a guy who wants to fuck a gargoyle.

>>714495372
Here's your gargoyle, bro.

>>714496181
YAMMMMAROOOOOO

Haze and Infernus need to be deleted from the game. They're literally ez mode, absolutely zero skill characters

>>714497336
my thoughts exactly their kits are interesting but their guns give them way way way way too much leeway

>>714459373 (OP)
>8 years in development for a game that's less fun than Team Fortress 2
>an incredibly tedious forced "skill ceiling" that is incredibly bad that once people grasp it they instantly quit the game
>the only people left playing an the terminally unemployed who have meltdowns if you shoot the wrong creep at the wrong time

>ult nerfed
>bomb stack nerfed
>spirit resist nerfed
>stamina nerfed
>speed of hook+uppercut combo (literally all he has) nerfed
>now they're turning his bomb into small throwable projectiles

Might as well delete him at this point.

>>714497828
Sorry, no updates for your outdated discord schizo playpen game.

>>714498983
>Might as well delete him at this point.
yeah they should

>>714498983
Shame. He was my favorite character.

>>714497336
You have no clue.
If you think that these dedicated fast farming attack/bullet damage carries are "OP", wait until tankfaggots get rebalanced to farm almost as fast as them, do 90% as much damage, but have three times the survivability.