SKG COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY BTFO

ITS FUCKING OVER

>>714488065 (OP)
IT'S SO FUCKING OVER THAT YOU SHOULD ACTUALLY GO BACK SO THAT IT WILL BE LESS OVER THAN IT CURRENTLY IS

How did Notch make his game have a local dedicated server option when AAA devs say it's impossible?

Fuck off, not reading all that garbage. Games did just fine with player run server in the past, the only reason why current devs are against them is so they can lock people into matchmaking and subject them to as many MTX options as possible.

I'm not reading a reddit post, go back

An indie should not be making a live-service game either way, so we're spared slop and they're spared 5 years of their life working on a product doomed to fail
You lost
Gamers won
Get over it

That's more words than I read in a week tl,dr

>>714488065 (OP)
>You're a developer, deal with it.

>>714488065 (OP)
>hiding the updoots
Cmon now

I actually don't even care what that post says or whether it makes a point or not. Game devs can go eat a dick.

grok is this true?

>>714488065 (OP)
>takes away the option of service games
fucking GOOD
stopped reading there

>indies
>live service games
Wat is he talking about? lol.

>>714488065 (OP)
everything he said is true and correct
especially about reusing the server code

This "dev" makes AI slop clicker WEGs by the way
https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/47566/Corrupt_Them_All/

>>714488537
sesame seengas look at my pingas

>will kill games made by indies that are service-like
Brb telling my entire family to sign.

>>714488065 (OP)
Why do redditors type so much

Europe's only export is regulations

>>714488637
seems based

>>714488194
Cause every game has one since debugging would be impossible otherwise. The constant fucking lying shows that they know they're fucked. Not because it's impossible, but for them not being able to force people to buy their newest slop.

>>714488065 (OP)
Go back and kill yourself, in that order.

live service games are too ubiquitous and profitable so of course they should suffer

>>714488379
They deserve to string you along and milk you for every penny just as much as any AAA company chuddy..

>>714488065 (OP)
Minecraft has self hosting and sold 100 times more than the game this faggot worked on, and this is assuming it's a AAA blockbuster.

>>714488537
First of all, the current situation regarding white genocide in South Africa is overexaggerated.
Second of all, a lot of what we consider history was written by the victors, there's a lot of information out there that's made up to suit the people who benefit from it.
To get to your point, the post is wrong.

>>714488065 (OP)
>nsfw live service game dev
Good ridden

How do you kill that which has no life

Literally just add an ini line or in game setting to change where the game is trying to connect to. Let players figure out the rest. If people really want a game to stay alive, it will.

>>714488065 (OP)
>noooo, I don't want to work, I just want to paste unreal assets, check all the post processing boxes and stamp raytracing.

>>714488065 (OP)
>but muh service games
They should all be made illegal and their developers publicly shamed.

>>714488065 (OP)
>I think this movement will kill games made by indies that are service-like games.
Do these games exist and are they popular enough?

>>714488065 (OP)
why are game developers so lazy?

>>714489017
>Literally just add an ini line or in game setting to change where the game is trying to connect to.
lol you really don't get it
most of the game isn't even in the shit you have on your pc
its all off on the server trying to stop cheaters from touching it

>>714488065 (OP)
so why did he make up all that bullshit when he doesn't have to do any of all that shit he made up
A company does not have to support jack shit past end of life
Put files online, don't sue private servers not charging money, that's it.

>>714488065 (OP)
>Allowing others to host private servers is known to damage rights on your IP

>>714489225
lol you really don't get it
It's not the dev's job to make the data playable, workable, or clean
All they have to do is provide it at End of Life.

>>714489167
World of tanks and war thunder

>>714489341
They better start working on them server binaries to release at end of service then.

>>714489341
Gaijin has several hundred employees, I wouldn't call anything over 5-10 a real indie studio

>>714489341
I thought it didn't count for free to play games

>called "stop killing games"
>kills *every* live service game
wew

>>714488065 (OP)
>This would result in the service game genre dying
Ermmm... this is being billed as a negative? Sounds amazing

>>714488637
>AI slop
>porn
>shovelware
Early life status?

>>714489167
I suppose there are live service adjacent games made by smaller studios, like Deep Rock Galactic. I don't really think those are indies, however.

>>714488065 (OP)
>indies doing liveservice
EU please save us from tgis nightmare

>>714489428
Any legislation would only apply to new games going forward and probably won't even apply to games currently under development. We won't see the fruits of this for 10 years probably.

>>714489303
I especially like how he complains about people being able to exploit vulnerabilities and make bots, even though the server software would only become available after the company stops hosting the game anyways. It's none of their business what happens after that.

>>714488637
Every single weg dev is an absolute schizo so it checks out.

I feel like even if it gets enough legit signatures it won't amount to anything without a solid foundation for what they want to do, it's like going to Dragon's Den without a business plan and just asking for money to wing it

>>714488065 (OP)
The disgusting behavior of the SKG community is exactly why I no longer support it. It's just fucking gamergate at this point.

>>714488426
>Yeah, mother fucker.

>>714489482
OpenAI is closed source.

>zero upvotes
Sad! Not even reddit sides with the corpos.

>>714489341
>Wargaming Group Limited
>Number of employees: 3700

aint reading all that lil bub

>>714488065 (OP)
> ¨Service games mostly exist for one main type of games. Reducing cheating, keeping in'game economy integrity, competitive games.¨
And yet, they suck at pretty much all of them, so nothing of value would be lost.

Why are yuros getiing their panties in a twist over a botted change.org petition

>>714488065 (OP)
I support this, not because i think any live service game deserves to be allowed to exist, but because there's the small chance of the government getting their hands on the industry, therefore fucking it all up. Just burn it, modern games are cancer, and zoomers only play them because they don't know better, just look at the fag that OP posted, he made a live service AI weg piece of shit, if that doesn't tell you what will happen to this industry, you're just coping, there's literally not a single good modern game, fuck it all, fuck the industry, fuck the "gamers", fuck you.

>>714488537
I asked grok and it gave 10 ways of making your live-service game playable despite closing servers.

>>714489580
That's probable. How long did it took to force apple to abandon their retarded solutions and use usb-c?

>noooo don't sell the servers to a different company for millions of dollars! give them to me for free! Or else!

>>714489341
gaijin has multiple offices all over europe and wargaming has over 3000 employees in 16 "locations"

Wageslaving bootlicking semenslurping yuropoors want mandated always online games, back in my day we rioted against the idea.

>>714488194
That's impossible, you've clearly dreamt it, the fact that I can still play online multiplayer on Unreal Tournament or Quake III without the need of a centralised developer server is also an hallucination.

>>714488065 (OP)
Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a softball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket.

>>714489996
LGBTs, schizos, and severe autists will just end up vandalizing whatever server they host. Company servers lets people get banned for being retarded. Community hosted servers will just sneak in malware and sell your data for databux.

>>714488637
>AI porn slop
The dude is confirmed indian

Dedicated servers? Do you really want to enslave developers like that? Imagine the amount of time it would take to implement that feature into a game. Nobody will ever develop games again and this is your fault.

SKG was always a tranny bowel movement

>>714488065 (OP)
>service games exist for one main type of games
>reduce cheating
Who cares if they aren't running the game anymore?
>keeping in game economy integrity
There's no option for an ingame economy if the game is gone
>competitive games
What room for competition is there without a fucking game?
>Technical challenges
And those technical challenges EXIST FOR THE COMMUNITY? You're giving them more tools to handle them instead of left holding their dicks in their hands with a game they paid for. I don't fucking understand what's so hard to understand.
>IP ownership
You can still sue and C&D people for hurting your IP, the law still exists retard.

>exposes server issues
If your server has issues and you're using it for your next project... Don't you WANT issues in your server being exposed so you can make sure they don't exist in your next project?
>oh this game breaking glitch that people found in your last game to duplicate gold was discovered in your last project, whatever will you do
>>fix it??
>NOOO IT'S UNUSABLE NOW I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

>>714490441
Huh? Most devs literally encourage lgbt shit, the fuck are you on about?

>>714488065 (OP)
I dont give a shit. Stop making online games and just make single player games.

>>714488065 (OP)
I will NOT support #StopKillingGames

>>714490347
Songs are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a concert attended with friends, a trip to a music festival. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the band because you bought a $5 CD.

... oh wait. The legislation has been built around the idea of consumers being able to buy a copy of a song as an individual, owned product for decades? Huh. I'm sure that was a one time thing.

>>714488194
Ummmmm he didnt sweaty thats impossible it costs 34 trillion dollars and 4000000000 man hours it simply cannot be done
And no factorio isnt a good example either

>>714490552
you argue like narcissist.
>you disagree with me and that makes me really mad.

>>714488637
>dev makes WEG
Stopped reading right there.

>>714490680
The attempt at turning this into a chud movement is so obvious and laughable, literally everyone (normals, trannies, incels, etc) wants this to happen, the only people against it are contrarians and greedy retarded devs

>>714488637
>/weg/ger
ew

>>714490347
>buy Monopoly board game
>I own the board, the pieces, the rules pamphlet
>can play Monopoly forever
>buy digital Monopoly game
>company says I own nothing
>can take away my Monopoly at any time
These should both be things that you own.

>>714490823
I am a narcissist.

I don't care.

literally go back

>>714489475
It can, actually. If the dev charges people one-time fees for in-game assets (e.g. skins, weapons, etc.), those assets are digital goods, same as full games are. They are licenses for digital goods, which are, in theory, granted in perpetuity. So if you buy XxGOLDOPERATORDEAGLExX skin for $2, they should have to let you retain access to it after server shutdown.

>>714490858
It turned into a chud movement the second Pirate Software got swatted. What more proof do you want?

>>714489905
>mogged by nationalized Lesta
Let that shit company die. I am tired of burst auto-loading premiums.

>>714491008
Leftists have never swatted anyone, in the history of ever, you are right

>>714488194
stop asking questions chud

>>714489341
World of Tanks is owned by the Russian Government now

Rossbros...

>>714488194
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>714488065 (OP)
I see that programmers are still mostly retarded spergs that are incapable of imagining something other than what is directly in front of them.
>We can't do X with how we currently do things
>No we can't change how we do things, because we just can't OK?

>when a fucking ignorant ape tries to tell me I'm wrong and gay

>>714488065 (OP)
>Allowing others to host private servers is known to damage rights on your IP.
holy shit imagine being this fucking clueless and utterly retarded. Like actual 0 IQ mouthbreathing brainless bacteria retarded

Player hosted servers are lost tech technology like working mirrors and compression. You can't expect it from browns.

>>714489905
They were less than 20 guys at the start and had to bankrupt themselves to release it.

>motion passes
>every game now supports an offline/LAN/DS option that's enabled after service ends
>no one plays the game afterwards anyways

>>714491634
so what you double nigger?

>>714488065 (OP)
>People in the 80s figured out how to run servers
>You literally have a file running on a computer in your office
>Can't upload it, just not possible.

why is this board being spammed with this shit?

>>714488065 (OP)
The blatant solution here is to stop producing so much live service slop but that would be antisemitic

>>714491634
>public healthcare offers cancer treatment
>like 2 people have cancer anyways
this is how you sound

>>714491748
(((Someone))) wants you to hate the very idea of owning your games.

>>714488637
what does WEG mean?

>>714491932
>porn game
>[V0.1.1 early pre-alpha]
>has not been updated since 2018

>>714491580

>>714491932
Western Erotic Game.

>>714491634
Companies mainly need to be punished for acting like they can just sweep games under the rug, like "Oh we fucked this one up? ket's just shut it down and pretend it didn't happen" or worse "Actually we need to make a shitty sequel and this game could compete with that so...sucks to be you lol"

the amount of people that bought a game that literally never could even start should be zero.

The ideal scenario is the same people that were playing when the server shut down keep playing the game they love.

The dream scenario is that handful of autists and most likely boomers shill their game enough that it gets a hundred or so more players over a year.

>>714488065 (OP)
>lousy nu-devs in shambles
Good.

>>714488194
While the best software engineers are better and better each generation, the average software engineers have become significantly worse.

>>714491748
Because consumers are finally fighting back and winning, now (((they))) alongside Maldavius Figtree discord are trying to push a counter narrative.
You will own nothing.

>>714488065 (OP)
>But even worse is beign forced to provide your server binaries which can be easily reversed engineered once they are out there.
Why would this ever negatively impact a fucking indie dev?
For one, the vast majority of indie devs never even make any games requiring any of these larger server programs. But even fewer makes one such game and then follows it up with another one like it. Let alone several.

BUT even if there was some indie dev who was making some massive online game every 5-10 years or whatever.
In what possible way would they suffer from their servers being reverse engineered? They're fucking indie devs. If anything, if you've got fans that are so dedicated that they'd reverse engineer your servers, then you should be fucking happy.
Also this is exactly what happened to Minecraft. Did they suffer?

>>714488065 (OP)
>It takes away developer choice. Takes away the option of service games or atleast makes it much harder for it to be feasible
And that's a GOOD thing!

YES! because now developers can't just shitout GaaS SLOP and actually have to consider the game they're designing. There's no drawbacks to this. The fact we get to influence game design for the better vicariously through this is a huge win.

>>714492645
>Also this is exactly what happened to Minecraft. Did they suffer?
As far as Microsoft is concerned, yes. Enormously. Every day, they tie themselves into knots trying to figure out how they can legally force every Java user to switch to Bedrock, so players lose the power they have over the game. Every time someone downloads a gameplay affecting mod on Java instead of paying for the Bedrock edition equivalent, Microsoft considers that lost profit.

>>714488065 (OP)
fuck me, that retard is great. It's been a while since I watched someone have a meltie on reddit.

>>714488065 (OP)
>ITS FUCKING OVER
xDDD

>>714493526
Why would a consumer be ok with NOT being able to use the product they paid for?

so what does this movement do other than killing off live service games which you guys already don't play anyway?

>>714493747
It won't kill them off, it's retardedly easy to make the average live service game function without access to the central server, the devs choose not to do it.

>>714493747
How many people would be playing CS GO if Valve didn't shut it down for CS 2?

Why should valve have the option to shut down a game people still want to play?

>>714493864
why?

>>714488065 (OP)
gamers aren't known for their tech, financial, media, or hell - general - literacy.

Reminder, thos threads are not your usual (you) farm. Those are made by discord furfags
Those are the only minority allowed to do pedo/zoosadism stuff on that platform due to majority of discord mod team being furfag zoosadist themselves(no, fucking your dog is not love, yet alone ferret). This time, we have addition of your typical e-celeb attention whore and braindead fucks who cannot formulate their own opinion and need validation and opinion from e-whore. tl:dr they cannot tell fi water is wet if guru doesn't tell them what to think
Considering SKG development heavily shits on not-mentioned ferret fucker who actively tried to sabotage it, it's obvious that as narcisstic faggot he is, he wont let those 1mln+ signatures slip
Right now, his cultists are spamming /v/ trying to derail the discussion, with best example being making up arguments and answering them. SKG initiative have whole FAQ page and you're free to read it and formulate your own opinion. You can like or dislike the initiative, just don't be a cultist retard
sources:
>pic related spamming multiple threads
>ferretfucker propably exposing himself
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714384123/#714386802
>additional misinfo threads
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714488065/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714467783/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714482861/
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/714478771/#714478823
>examle of one of confirmed discord cultists forcing meme
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/9Tw39ZBzrFlghImObbG3vQ/
Remember, those threads are not made as counter-argument, or just shitpost. These are made by literal zoosadist angry that their ferret raping guru got insulted and exposed. History proved that vast majority of furfagots are literal sexual predators ranging from other innocent people, to minors and animals, with several disgusting fetish. Smelly fursuit is just a mild one. They will attack the initiative even if overall result also benefits them, but being autodestructive is part of faggotry

its not specific and it just urges lawmakers to push for regulation on the closure of games
thats literally all it is. theres no "oh man youre ignorant!" nah its literally just hey lawmakers look at this shit and put a stop to it

>>714488194
AAA devs say it's impossible due to the publisher demands. If they allow dedicated servers, then that means there's an option to play the game outside of the publisher's account/networking system, which means less control for them to peddle MTX to you in a manner you can't just "enable" as a server owner for all to enjoy.

>>714493939
Because they believe it slightly increases the money they make.

>>714493747
Aussies get to play with <100 ping since companies refuse to host oceania servers

>>714493192
>As far as Microsoft is concerned, yes.
Sure. But they are the absolute opposite of indie. An indie would never suffer from it.
If anything, the freedom and options of the Java client is easily argued a key element of what made Minecraft popular enough for Microsoft to wish to buy it to begin with. Mojang has not suffered from how Minecraft had locally hosted servers.

skg is being is being shilled against hard
must be a great idea

>>714494061
Yeah that's my point. There's NO legitimate argument against this if you're not a huge corporate entity who only stands to make more money off of forcing extra purchases out of existing users continuously.

>>714488194
>>714488065 (OP)
NO NO NOOO YOU CANT POINT THIS OUT THATS ILLEGALLL
!!!!111 YOU GONNA KILL THE FURRY AGAIN AYIEEEEE

>>714488065 (OP)
I don't understand how none of these people get that it isn't retroactive, only games released after the point when the EU established a law about it will newly released games require a sunsetting plan.

Imagine being so retarded you can't understand something as simple as this.

Sad.

>>714488065 (OP)
>Which brings the question, why would a developer self sabotage? Do you really think is to say fuck you to the consumer?
Yes. Absolutely they would do that.

>>714493526
The people screeing and reeing and defending maldy to defend practices the industry slowly boiled them into will never cease to be funny
years of seeing the hobby degrade will come to an end.
The day of reckoning is upon us.

>>714494026
So only enable it when you go eos. Problem solved

>>714488065 (OP)
I don't view SKG as a proper be-all end-all solution.
But ain't no way we can manage to fix the clusterfuck that is Intellectual Property law.
If you fixed that, then we wouldn't need an SKG. But there are too many interests -mostly israeli- that do everything in their power to make sure it stays broken.

Would this even be that much work? The law wouldn't apply retroactively so there wouldn't be cleanup of old systems. Just release primitive server binaries.

>>714488065 (OP)
This isn't even a criticism of SKG its a criticism of some made up version of SKG that I assume he got from some game of telephone
Yes you can sell games as a service but it should be subject to the same laws that all other services abide by in the UN

This thread has convinced me. Can I still sign that petition? I'm from Belgium if that matters.

>>714494578
The voting is still going anyway.

>>714494578
yes and your signature still matters
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>>714488065 (OP)
Suck it up
You all took for granted that you could take away the game I paid money for, that I bought. So suck it up, now you can't simply turn it off and brick my game when you don't want to support it anymore, an EOL plan.
You STOLE my games from me from all of us and we're simply taking back what is OURS.

>>714494578
yes, extra votes will help the initiative have more weight and it also helps with outweighing fraudulent/accidentally messed up votes (see pic)

>>714490441
then host it yourself
or is all you can do whine?
bitch.

>>714493526
>a game from 30 years ago
They never asked for this shit to be applied retroactively and laws don't work that way either. People are fucking blind
Everyone knows developers can adapt, just like they did from lootbox to battle pass

>>714493946

>>714488065 (OP)
design problem, easily avoided at planning stages

>>714488194

It's not impossible, they don't wanna do it because they wanna be able to shut the game down and force you to buy the newest version. Anyone speaking against this initiative is a retard or a corporate sockpuppet.

>>714488065 (OP)
>Indie NSFW Games
this reeks of a larper who doesn't know how to code and is afraid he'll have to do something his plugins don't allow

>>714493946
things they never tell you for 500 alex
if you told me you always read terms of service, i would believe you are lying to me.

>>714491008
>chud movement the second Pirate Software got swatted
My dude swatting isn't just a right wing thing lmao

It's a solved issue and there are any number of ways that it can be implemented with revenue sharing taxes platform fees etc. All the petition does is ask for the issue to be reviewed so absolutely nothing is set in stone or promised to happen. At the very least I hope to see a tax punishment on companies that routinely kill games without providing an EoS version.

>>714493956
true

>>714495131
You could make one of these with Fortnite and GTA 5 in all tiers

>>714494934
The issue is games need MTX to make money. Even the $80 pricetag isn't enough to cover development costs, especiallly with unions, wage increases, rising property costs and now tariffs. Gacha/MTX whales are the main thing keeping gaming alive and now Europe simply won't get games. This whole thing was short sighted and didn't account for the reality of the industry. Game companies would rather just skip out on that frankly broke ass market entirely than have to give out their server code to pirates.

>>714495487
>The issue is games need MTX to make money.
What MTX did Expedition 33 have?

>Won't somebody please think of the live service games?

>>714495487
>games need MTX to make money
Sounds like bad budgeting to me. Not my problem as the customer.

>>714495690
Doesn't count, not everyone can make an actually great game in the modern landscape.

>>714495690
cool it with the antisemitism

>>714495487
>Even the $80 pricetag isn't enough to cover development costs
I can't be bothered but imagine I posted an image of the world's tiniest violin.

>>714491932
"porn" """game"""

>>714491008
boo hoo nigga. i don't care.

>>714495690
This game buttfucked AAA so hard
>No mtx
>small dev time
>No AI used
And even after DS2 releaaed, it's still considered the GOTY, this game is scaring the shills away because it showed how old school game developmemt still has a place in this bloated carcass of an industry

>>714495905
>>small dev time
Fuck, i meant small dev team

>>714494894
Yes, we can adapt. By separating the multiplayer portion of the game into a free DLC. You must buy the base game, but the DLC is free so you can't cry anymore when it shuts down. Literally just wasting people's time while getting the same result.

>>714494894
>lootbox to battle pass
was this due to legal reasons or financial reasons? fortnite and dota made a lot of money from their battlepasses so other games copied them. just like they copied csgo for the lootbox money

>>714495487
>The issue is games need MTX to make money.
More like skill issue.

>>714495905
>And even after DS2 releaaed
>even
lole

>>714495905
it also mindbroke the brownoids on /v/

>>714495905
>uses UE5
>uses Meta Humans
It's slop. You also don't know if the artists used AI when creating their assets anyways, since it's part of every modern tool now to use that crap inplace of algorithm-driven features to do shit like making a texture seamless, or tweaking aspects of it.

>>714496094
Some based autist went through and found that it really was Jeets making concern trolling posts and shitting on the Exp 33 in threads for the game.

>>714496009
>game doesn't shut down when central servers shut down
Good enough, that's all I wanted

>>714489695
Here is your pity reply, autismo-san.

>>714496148
Actually, we know because most of it comes for the unreal asset store which makes AAA look even more retarded.

>>714495487
I understand the argument but you argued it poorly.
Yeah something like Path of Exile would've been a failure if it was a 40 dollar game instead of f2p, especially considering it needed few years to actually fix the issues.
But GGG could easily change the existing architecture to allow for self-hosted servers or even client-side character save files.

Making your game live service and providing tools to run the game afterwards are two separate concerns.

>>714488065 (OP)
>Hiding post score
I'm sure leddit loved this post

>>714496221
The base game is just a tutorial level for $80. The entire real game is now a free DLC.

Another day of servile amerigolems defending the honor of game publishers? Even on the 4th of july?

OP raises a good point. his server is his IP and he doesn't want to give it away.

>>714496212
There was one annoying thing about the whole E33 debacle, it caused an uptick in people insisting turn based needs gimmicks that make it less turn based.

>>714488065 (OP)
>this post writes itself

>>714493946
Ebin, your boyfriend make that meme?

>hop on /v/
>i get reddit instead

>>714496335
40% upvotes, 204 comments

>>714496325
No developer wants to release their source code to the public because it will be used to compete with their newer titles. It siphons income away from an industry that is already gasping for air as it is.

>>714488709
In a nutshell what this guy said.

Ross was saying that a ton of posts on Reddit were getting deleted, with the only ones remaining being those that were shitting on it. Why?

>>714496507
and that's a good thing.

Shills out in full force.
They're afraid. Keep going.

>>714488065 (OP)
>the universal standard 20 years ago is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE now think of the poor devs ;_;

>>714495058
>far cry(?)
>?
>bioshock(?)
>katawa shoujo
>?
>?
>that one bath with your sister anime game whatever from like two decades ago
>my best guess is mashou no nie by liquid
>gta v
>ss13
what have i gotten wrong/missed

>>714496212
indians seriously need to be hard banned off of the civilized internet

>>714496315
It's why I'll always be for stylized games than 'realistic', since the only stylized slop you'll see in the Unity/UE marketplace is low-poly crap, which would stand out like a sore thumb.

>>714488637
AI Sloppers shouldn't be allowed to have a voice on the internet

>>714496212
very enlightening image, thanks anon

>>714496565
The solution is to make better games. Or just don't kill your game, keep updating it.
If you're making a live service game, what's the reasoning for killing your game to release the same game again?

And this isn't even asking for source code. Just binaries to run the server as it was.

>>714496682
3rd is Hotline Miami

I'm fucking SHAKIN I need a fedora to tip rn

>>714488065 (OP)
>Do you really think is to say fuck you to the consumer
yes
because it is

>mfw piratesoftwares game is some shitty earthbound clone that still hasn’t been made
Lol. Lmao even

>>714496395
hope you're happy marketing your game as nothing but the tutorial level, then.

>>714491449
He's just trying to find gullible people that would accept that claim. It's stupid but still +1 argument so his stance looks grounded for a default layman

>>714496565
>It siphons income away from an industry that is already gasping for air as it is.
I usually ignore the daily posts from genuine retards that think Microsoft layoffs mean anything, but I will actually try to correct you: No, the industry is not fucking dying. Companies are making more money now than ever, yes, even with low-sales, they still get more income now than they did 10 years ago.

>>714488065 (OP)
>Reducing cheating, keeping in-game economy integrity, competitive games.
I don't get this complaint. Nobody is expecting the company to maintain the matchmaking and integrity of a game after sunsetting it. They're just giving it to players so they can do what they want with it, like playing with 3 or 4 friends.

>The way servers are structured these days to scale and modern developer practices makes it hader to even provide something that can run out of the box.
I'm speaking out of my ass with zero knowledge on this, but surely the solution to this is to change modern practices to fit this new modern problem?

Halo 5 got ported to PC, but they didn't bother to add matchmaking, just a player server browser. I had the instinct that this was a lazy port, and that matchmaking with the server was much more complicated than just throwing up a server browser. I wonder what services would be required to ship with the server browser that make it impossible? You wouldn't need anti-cheat (eg)

>I think this movement will kill games made by indies that are service-like games.
I don't think there's a single service indie game worth playing. I know literally none of them. I'd happily sacrifice those indie service games to stop actual developers and actual game studios from having their publisher rape my games.

>>714496682
2nd sounds like either Rance or New World

>>714488194
Stop poking holes in his lie
Him and op want to feel smart by being contrarian, unfortunately they're also retarded
No, it doesn't count as trolling because I guarantee op is here seething that people are making fun of him

>>714496398
all americans will soon be in concentration camps for wanting to own games. grim

>>714496565
If EA tried to kill off FIFA 25 and people refused to buy FIFA 26, maybe the problem is not people still playing FIFA 25 in 2026

>>714488637
Am I living my life incorrectly? Should I just make chatgpt written AI slop image porn games and sell them for dirt cheap so that someone will suck it up and pay?
Wasn't there one weg dev that just makes 10 minute renpy porn vns and makes bank through sheer quantity?

>>714488194
STOP BEING ANTISEMETIC NOOOOOOOOO

>>714496565
If your old game competes directly with your newer game and people prefer the old over the new, your new game should fail. The fact that the new game tends to succeed just for being new, because of how much current support matters, is the problem with the industry.

>>714488065 (OP)
Nooooo I liked his yuffie doujins

>>714497236
consoomers need to be protected from the retards ruining the industry. enough of manchild soys buying digital slop and ruining gaymes for the rest of us. the adults need to step in because the stupid kids are sinking the fucking ship

>>714488065 (OP)
>THIS WILL KILL GAMES AS A SERVICE
I already voted man you don't need to convince me further

>>714496874
makes sense.
>>714497107
i've only played rance 1 and never played new world so it's possible

there's no satisfactory answer to this question: why are gamers entitled to proprietary server software /

>>714497092
>I don't get this complaint. Nobody is expecting the company to maintain the matchmaking and integrity of a game after sunsetting it.
It's just misinformation. [They] think if they keep saying it long enough, people will believe it.

>>714497485
>entitled
doesn't matter if we can force you to give it to us

>>714497485
Same reason when you buy a car you're entitled to its battery

>>714497485
It's part of the game I bought.
>no it isn't
But it needs to be there for the game to run. And I bought the game. If they don't want to run it, I will. Simple.
>but it's proprietary
It's part of the product they sold me. I already own it.

>>714497485
The better question is: why aren't consumers entitled to what they pay for?

>>714497485
>Buy a product
>Seller who exchanges their product for your money then comes to your home at a later date and takes it from you, whenever they feel like while not giving you your money back.

Gee it's almost as if people want to own what they buy huh?

>>714496948
I don't market the base game. Just advertise the free DLC showing how awesome it is. Anyone who wants to play it still has to buy the $80 base game that is really nothing but a DLC launcher.

>>714497419

>>714488065 (OP)
Why is always redditors.
>When your studio is going bankrupt
If you go bankrupt the fines won't matter because your bankrupt.
>Why can't we sell a service
Because you're not selling a service. You're selling a good. Put a expiration date on your store page, make it a subscription. Will that decrease sells? Yes, some consumers don't like expiration dates on their products. Should that information be hidden from them? No, consumers should be able to make informed purchases. Why the hell do these types of developers treat deceiving the consumer likes it's a right?

>>714495131
>Halo 3, GoW, CoD4, F4, Portal is ancient
What the fuck is Quake, Unreal, and Painkiller then? Antediluvian?

>>714491008
is pirate software not the king of the chuds? im not actually familiar with him but that was my impression

>>714498521
That faggot is a weg dev, weg devs rely on retards that just open their wallets to whatever porn slop they see on itch.io to survive, no wonder he is afraid

>company sells car that relies on server calls for some reason
We're dropping support for shitbox thanks to the community for their support but you won't be able to drive anymore, keep an eye out for shit box 2 coming soon

>Hey maybe company should be forced to allow users to drive shitbox independently

Don't be fucking ridiculous it's impossible to disentangle shitbox from the company servers it's completely impossible.
> Maybe company shouldn't maliciously design shitbox to be reliant on an unnecessary connection

>>714488065 (OP)
>Why can't we sell a service?

I hate these people

>the poos are trying the same muh license tactic on leddit after getting thoroughly butt annihilated here >>713990173
lel

>>714498521
>Why the hell do these types of developers treat deceiving the consumer likes it's a right?
Its a religious thing in many cases

>>714489607
Clearly, what he wants to do is reuse his shitty server code for the new version, without improving it to fix any of the vulnerabilities the community of the old game might find and exploit.
Which is to say, he's just a lazy faggot WEG slopper who does not deserve to be a dev

>>714498521
>Why the hell do these types of developers treat deceiving the consumer likes it's a right?
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>714488065 (OP)
All of these concerns have been gone over repeatedly because at this point they're simply repeating the things PirateSoftware said.
Also there is no more "over", the initiative was a success and has already met its goal. You don't need to try and shill for companies anymore, you already lost.

if video game is art, then government should have zero say on how it should be made

>>714500413
>Also there is no more "over", the initiative was a success and has already met its goal.
This, the initiative met it's goal and has almost a full month left so all the signatures now are just a safety barrier against any fraudulent signatures. It'll probably end with 1.1-1.3milly signatures.

>>714500518
Too fucking bad, they already do

>>714488065 (OP)
Ragnarok Online had private servers almost the whole time while they were operating server and people still played on the official ones
And this isn't even the case here, it's for after they shut down official operation, literally what is even their problem

>>714500589
i should be allowed to say where my tax money should go
there should be an online optional thing where i choose projects to allocate money to
i would put it all into "bomb iran" and "drop a third nuke on japan"

>>714501387
>i should be allowed to say where my tax money should go
Bigly antisemitic

>>714501459
whoa moshe, take it wasy, i'm on your side. i said "bomb iran"

>>714501629
But they are semites...

>>714501759
oy vey, someone tell this schmuck that semitic means jewish and holocaust means remember the 8 million

What about us indie devs who make highly complex mass scale AWS/Azure server games with 300 different software licenses and dependencies...? You want us to STARVE?

>>714501852
>8 million
Another holocaust downplaying /po/shitter!

>>714488065 (OP)
>it means more work for devs
I don't care.
>I have anxiety
I don't care.
>this will kill games that were going to die anyway
I don't care.

>>714501926
>You want us to STARVE?

>>714493946
You can’t agree to sign away your rights with a EULA. Now we codify our rights.

>>714496429
>just destroy IP law bro
You want a small win that can actually be passed. No limitations to IP law will ever succeed.

>>714488426
>>714489752
I should rewatch Hot Fuzz
Fucking excellent film

>>714502593

>>714502491
>just destroy IP law bro
my pants got tight reading these words
we should destroy IP law and flay every jewish IP lawyer alive and dip them in hydrogen peroxide as they beg moloch to save them

>>714500948
>what is even their problem
Allergic to doing any work that doesn't have the promise of a fat payout. There's a reason why most of the hate against SKG is coming from low-effort indie devs. Corpos don't actually care that much since they can just get some unpaid intern or Indian to do the extra work. It's these AI sloppers who see the business as large payout for little work that can't handle the idea of doing anything besides their lazy "creating".
A good third of my job is just writing reports of what I actually did, it's tedious but necessary, and that kind of responsibility is part of why I can charge quite a lot of money for my time. Most real jobs are like that. These are just spoiled children whining that they have to do something when it isn't fun or there isn't a fat reward attached to it.

>>714502835
If it could feasibly pass, it would already be on the table.

>>714502767

>>714502968
>pass
lol democracy has never solved any problem, we are well past the point of playing kike games

>>714489914
absolutely based

>>714488065 (OP)
>owh
I've never seen anyone type 'oh' or 'ow' like this in my life
unhinged behavior

>>714491008
I thought you were in the hospital thor

>>714502017
jej

Do software engineers not.... engineer anymore? Do they just kind of sit around and look at middleware with no ability to solve new problems?

I'm so fucking blindsided seeing so many self proclaimed engineers saying that having something as simple as a LAN mode even is a huge technical hurdle that will "kill service games".

>>714496429
How delusional you have to be in order to think something related to IP will ever pass. Not to mention the movement would have less support, because it's more complicated than video games

>>714489017
that and some documentation about how server traffic works and reveal hidden variables

Shit that is not at all hard to do

>>714488065 (OP)
>laws should only be there to make sure the product or services you are selling is clear and the customer understand what they are buying

While I don't support SKG, that's what SKG says, too.

>>714503853
It's the same shit localizers do.
>You don't know how hard my job is, I'm a "professional" and you're not so you can't question me
Even if it's total bullshit you have to concede because you can't question someone if they have "credentials" even if they're saying insane shit.

>>714495487
>The issue is games need MTX to make money. Even the $80 pricetag isn't enough to cover development costs
Stop spending tens of millions on Hollywood VAs that phone it in, actual fucking orchestras for Movie Slop Soundtrack #12345, or outsourcing graphic asset work to thousands of SEA workers because you need them faggilion polygon models to really put that UE5 Nanite to use, then.

>>714503853
A bunch of midwit retards just smart enough to realize their predicament created an entire "techbro" culture with obfuscated terms and necessities to prevent everyone else from realizing they were just a bunch of fucking retards who can't visualize an apple in their head who just want to sit around and get a paycheck all the time. I suspect this is why the SKG movement even got the fierce anti-shilling it did because ferretfucker software is one of these retards and being able to freely explode the code documentation behind some of these games would out most of these faggots like him, besides the shitload of jeets they hire to make these anyway.

MY GAME MY CHOICE

>>714488065 (OP)
>Reddit
you need to die, NOW!

>>714497146
oh another fake pic, why are you indian btw?

>>714488065 (OP)
>games made by indies that are service-like
such as?

>>714504820
Ding ding ding ding, it's insane how many of the faggots higher in the food chain are retards who are just barely smarter than the average joe

>>714503853
>Do software engineers not.... engineer anymore?
Everything gets outsourced or bought, even shit like lore or dialogue in video games.

>>714493747
better future for our children, of course

Videogames are the only industry outside of AIPAC that you can consistently shit all over your customers in the most abusive and elitist fashion and can still act surprised when they get pushback or abuse in return. Pirate is an animal-raping faggot part of that same pampered "ideas guy" nepotism sphere you can see shits like the sweetbaby inc scum and Anita's gang; Talentless dogshit elevated because their daddy or friends got them where they are, and the little narcississts can't handle the truth that they're NOT actually worth respecting or listening to. It is fucking easy to include binaries or code for private servers and it's the same effort you go to for debugging and HAS been since 1999. Of course, the message is now "BAAAAWWW DON'T MAKE THE PUBLISHER SPEND MONEY! NOOOOO NOOOOO WE RAISE PRICES BUT YOU DON'T GET TO DEMAND ANYTHING REEEE!" Fucking kill yourself. Oh no, people don't like the "games as a service" model and are shitting on it! Nooooooo stop the count! Stop it! Noooo not the corporation! If these faggots can afford to 3D model the ugliest shitskins and add every ugly LGBTQfaggot they can, they can afford to bundle the tools for private servers.
>b-but...
No, fuck you ferrerfucker. You're worthless and your daddy is ashamed of you, "playtester." Also I pirate everything anyway so none of your onions bleating matters to me anyway.

>>714495148
Its a logical implication with most online games

>>714506930
And yet MMOs were the first games to ever have private servers run by players... bizarre...

>>714488065 (OP)
Service games suck when created by people with big money. Why would anyone buy an indie game lacking the budget for better infrastructure compared to games people could host servers for natively. Fucking retard subhuman

>>714488065 (OP)
>Indie NSFW Games
lel

>>714488065 (OP)
he is trying to convince you that this can't work because if live service games, but he's ignoring one thing, and that is that companies can just stop making live service games. no one likes them or want the companies to make them, they are a blight on the gaming world and are purely designed to manipulate the gamers into giving the corpo scum as much of their money, as humanly possible. that'sthe entire point with those games. the live service games will indeed not be missed.

>>714488065 (OP)
Fuck off

>>714506930
It really isn't. It's logical that you wouldn't be able to connect to other players for multiplayer. It's not logical that you can't, say load into a map. Because all of those assets are already on your system. If the game was streamed then yeah, but otherwise it's rather arbitrary.

>NOOOOOOOOOOO
>YOU CAN'T PROVIDE A VALID ARGUMENT
>STOP THAT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714507397
>live service games
Why not use the term "Games as a Service"? It's what they are. And they are at least as bad as Software as a Service.

>>714488065 (OP)
>it takes away developer choice
Stopped reading there, why they always talk like trannies? Oh, wait...

>>714504727
If the game doesn't have those things, it's not considered "up to modern standards" and won't impress game critics. Nobody is going to buy a game with mid graphics or audio, especially not for $90-$100, and nobody is going to buy a game that's yellow on Metacritic period.

>>714507874
>won't impress game critics
You don't need to imress game critics. As long as the E-celebs like it you're good. Besides that just-
>90-$100
Oh, Well I don't know what you were expecting

>>714507731
both terms work, i suppose..

>>714488065 (OP)
>Reducing cheating
>Keeping in-game economy
Does he know a server admin that's actively logged in can prevent these things?
Or is he just a young generation zoomer who barely only played corporate live services and not user hosted games?
I'd bet my whole arse that if they brought back user hosted servers the levels of cheating would lower down to barely nothing within a week thanks to the actual admins banning all cheaters and the people who don't play by the rules of the server.

>>714493946
>gamers aren't known for their tech, financial, media, or hell - general - literacy.
>picrel
you can't even read stupid nigger, we know what they are doing, SKG is challenging the legality of it.

>>714508419
The reason why everything centralized to start with was because of DDoS attacks. The reason why web 1.0 is dead is because it became far too easy to DDoS a server and now just to run a website you need to spend thousands a year on enterprise Cloudflare.

>>714508679
>The reason why everything centralized to start with was because of DDoS attacks
>and now just to run a website you need to spend thousands a year on enterprise Cloudflare.
We centralized so DDoSers have to take down less services to ruin the internet?

>>714488065 (OP)
>but what if the game studio goes bankrupt one month after launching their game, and they don't have any resources to redevelop the assets into a offline experience
It sounds like in that case not making their game dependent on unaffordable central server costs on the developers' part in the first place would've saved the devs from themselves.

>>714488065 (OP)
Games as a service is fraud.

>>714508679
>and now just to run a website you need to spend thousands a year on enterprise Cloudflare.
No you don't, you get free DDoS and bot protection from cloudflare and other CDNs.

>>714489538
Deep Rock is Peer to Peer retard

>>714509134
>We centralized so DDoSers have to take down less services to ruin the internet?
Basically, this nigga literally says that as if not every single online game hasn't been ddosed since they started with the centralized servers.

>>714488065 (OP)
I don't want your stupid "service", I want a game I can own, you gigantic faggot.

I'm a backend dev and can confirm this.
If SKG refuses to compromise on this point then tge whole thing is in jeopardy.

>>714488194
I-IT JUST IS OKAY?!

>>714509865
If your backend is so fucked, maybe more time should have been spent making it good instead of pushing it out.

>Service games mostly exist for one main type of games. Reduce cheating, keeping in-game economy integrity, competitive games.
>your studio is going bankrupt even one month is too much to handle.
>Allowing others to host private servers is known to damage rights on your IP.

>"Hmmm we made a shitty live service game and it bombed?"
>"yeah sorry but not our problem, we're just going to take it down and fuck over the few people still playing it"
>"btw all those in-game purchases are now paper weight"
>"oh? you wanted to host a server to keep playing? sorry but that poses vulnerabilities to our outdated code that we're going to use to make another live service piece of shit game"

what is this kikery? is it greed or just pure laziness

>>714491284
It would be funny and depressing if someone use this in real life.

>>714490680
you don't have to, we already won