Can we admit that most people are in love with the idea of DMC rather than DMC itself? I was considering replaying the series and actually trying to S rank DMD but when I choose one of the games and think about playing it there's always
>Those parts
which take up 30-50% of the game or more that are just boring unfun slogs with unfun enemies or gimmicks or a lot of running around. I think people really romanticize the best parts of DMC which is a handful of cool bosses or doing cool combos. 5 has the least amount of wankery until it goes "Here, play this emo faggot who plays the game for you!" and the game is so ugly it really hurts my motivation to go from fight to fight

Thats why DMC5 is the best one, you can literally just boot it up, play a mission, 15 minutes of fun, simple as that

You can try to optimize runs and try stuff, I love that you can parry everything with a hitbox, but Dante, Nero or any character other than Vergil is less fun for a full playthrough. The problem is that dante's kit is better than Vergil's, so you deny yourself playing with the most fun character. Everything in DMC has a trade off and it's always negative. That's why I regretted buying this game instead of Sunbreak.

>>714490550
Vergil is unironically far better designed than Dante in 4/5.

>>714490479
But then you remember the V segments exist.

>>714490186 (OP)
Nah, you're just an ADHD faggot.
T. I beat all of DMCs from 1 to 5 back in 2020.

urizen kills my motivation. Cool designed wasted on incredibly boring boss you fight several times, what were they thinking?

>>714490479
There's no fun nor challenge in V. It is THE worst one by a mile.

It has always been a mediocre series praised by poser faggots

>The jarpig grinding/unlock shit destroys the balance and adds nothing but bloat to the game
>Camera is total dogshit
>Directional inputs relative to your character feel awful especially in relation to aforementioned dogshit camera
>Attacks automatically magnetize to an enemy even when not in lock-on mode, which makes it a pain to use attacks on the environment or for movement. The lock-on system also frequently jumps around sporadically and changes your lock-on target
>Over a decade before """rollslop""" existed, you had DMC which was just a 10x worse version. The jump gives full i-frames to apex and can be freely spammed and canceled into, so it's just an instant reactive "no damage" button
>The gameplay and level design in-between fight is the most absolutely mind-numbing braindead garbage imaginable. Running down empty corridors, collecting random stupid gizmos and doodads to insert into the doodad receptacle, and doing some of the absolute worst platforming known to man. Of course enemies respawn every single time you re-enter a room just to further waste your time.
>enemies are huge damage sponges, especially as you go up in difficulty, where enemies can now soak up over 4x as much damage while also being able to damn near one-shot you. The stylish method is not the quickest way to kill enemies, so they will be even spongier if playing for style.

Just stick to a real action game like Ninja Gaiden or Souls.

>>714490895
DMC is THE adhd action game, anon

>>714490895
>beat
nigga, the games are an absolute fucking joke unless specifically going for SS-ranks on DMD, even DMD S-ranks are a piss-easy joke because you can use items and ignore the difficulty categories and still get S-ranks.

So fuck off with this poser bullshit. It's like saying you're a chef because you've thrown a hot pocket in the microwave a few times.

>>714491090
>because you can use items
Isn't that only true for 5? 5 easily has the most lenient ranking system in the series since it's based on pure score

>>714490980
>>Over a decade before """rollslop""" existed, you had DMC which was just a 10x worse version. The jump gives full i-frames to apex and can be freely spammed and canceled into, so it's just an instant reactive "no damage" button
Oh shut the fuck up faggot. What the fuck do you think defense should be? I was with you into you had to bring up this absolute retarded zoomer "argument"

>>714491639
No, I think it's just fucking hilarious that posers shit on Souls for being "rollslop" (despite the roll not even being a major combat mechanic until Dark Souls 2, but mostly 3), when all the DMC games over a decade earlier had a much worse implementation of this.

Souls rolls have less roll i-frames, they consume stamina, they are dependent on your equip weight, and there is a longer start-up to the roll. DMC just has the laziest possible implementation, where the jump performs an instant spammable "no damage" button to apex.

>>714492164
DMC's isn't a "worse" implementation by any means. Jumping is balanced in 1/3 because of your limited air options. It's only in 4 and 5 where nero has a lot of air options and dante can go into styles to give him more air options and especially mobility.
Also, there are a million games that have dodge based combat. Onimusha, God of War, Ninja Gaiden. Calling out DMC like it's special has no point whatsoever and is just a poor attempt at trying to come up with extra reasons to shit on DMC when most of your other points are fine enough.

1
>Water sections
>Platforming sections
>The rotating room
>Water level
>Lost woods level
>All the times you have to refight nightmare
>Shmup section into boss fight into pseudo shmup section

>>714490479
V would have been the best game in the series if the original director was involved, but he wasn’t.

>>714492164
It's insanely timing dependent though, you can't just mash dodge and expect it to work in DMC, there's like 4 to 9 frames of iFrames MAX

DMC3
>Gigapede boss
>Leviathan level + boss
>All of the shitty enemies like spiders, fallen, soul eaters, etc
>Styles taking forever to level up to 3 then giving you jack shit for it
>>>>>>>>>Nightmare

>>714492616
Ninja Gaiden and God of War are both about positioning, movement, and commitment, not canceling out of any attack and then spamming the instant no-damage jump button. The fact that you compare them shows you don't play either of these games. DMC is not bad because it has... damage avoidance.. you fucking retard. It's how poorly it's implemented, along with the plethora of other issues.

No-damage buttons are just a really fucking lame inclusion in an action game, but the pure hypocrisy of poser faggots who bitch about "muh rollslop" while not calling out a significantly more egregious implementation in DMC over a decade earlier absolutely should be called out. No one fucking plays or cares about DMC though, and that's why it goes unchecked. At most someone will just mindlessly button mash through on normal, spamming items and game overs, and getting shit ranks, and calls it a masterpiece because reddit told them to. Just pure fucking posturing.

>>714493587
The entire jump to apex has i-frames, you fucking retard.

DMC4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nero
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>NERO
>Shitty spinning top and cube puzzles
>Half the game reusing the exact same areas and some bosses but in reverse
>Dante boss fights

DMC5
>>>V
>>>>>>V
>>>>>>>>>V
>>>>>>>>>>>>V
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>V

>>714493914
>Calls me a retard
>too stupid to read that I am specifically NOT talking about jumping
kek, stay mad about vidya like a child

>>714490980
Retard

>>714490186 (OP)
>Can we admit that most people are in love with the idea of DMC rather than DMC itself?
No, I've played all the games multiple times and I've had more fun than with any other franchise.

Do the games have problems? Yeah, occasionally. But what they do is far ahead of basically any other game. DMC3 and DMC5 are some of the best videogames ever released.

>>714490479
See, someone gets it.

>>714490725
You know you can replay any mission separately, right? DMC5 missions are very accessible for that.

>>714490691
>Vergil is better designed than Dante in 4
Yes.

>Vergil is better designed than Dante in 5
Fuck no.

>>714493548
If Kamiya had been involved it would've been way worse in just about every aspect.

>>714494080
Nero is the best thing about DMC4.

>>714494442
Pay the V tax (vax for short) or leave.

>>714495359
See >>714493914
>No one fucking plays or cares about DMC though, and that's why it goes unchecked. At most someone will just mindlessly button mash through on normal, spamming items and game overs, and getting shit ranks, and calls it a masterpiece because reddit told them to. Just pure fucking posturing.
This is talking about you, poser faggot.

>>714490479
DMC5 is literally one of the worst games ever made.

>>714493914
>Ninja Gaiden and God of War are both about positioning, movement, and commitment
NG and GoW are both about undertaking as little risk as possible. They both looked at Onimusha 1, and instead of appreciating it for the elegance of its design, how it rewarded you for playing riskier or its tightly designed gameloop, they took its magic attacks with i-frames and pivoted to giving you half a billion combo attacks that are completely worthless and a bad upgrade system.

DMC did none of that shit, and it's better than both of them for it.

>not canceling out of any attack and then spamming the instant no-damage jump button
The only poser here is you since you don't even know the cancelling window is specific to each attack.

Go try cancel Stinger mid-travel, you fucking retard.

>No one fucking plays or cares about DMC though
They certainly care about it more than NG and there's certainly more "serious" DMC player than GoW players.

lmao

>>714497018
I'm beginning to believe these posts are made by a bot.

>>714495360
cope shitsuno troon

Trish owes me sex

>>714497159
Close. Its autistic faggots trying to start internet fights.

>>714497159
It's a rollslopfag with a vendetta

>>714497275
is that tite kubo's art??? did he draw other characters

>>714497980
It's from the Visions of V manga illustrated by Tomio Ogata. He is a Trishchad like myself by the way he draws her.

>>714495360
>Nero is the best thing about DMC4.
imagine being such a fag you believe that

>>714497065
>They both looked at Onimusha 1
Holy fuck you are retarded. Onimusha was far from the first game to have... magic... or an upgrade system. Hundreds of action games in the 90s and early 2000s had these mechanics.

Onimusha is so simplistic bordering on braindead where after just like 5-10 hours of play, you can easily beat the game on the hardest difficulty with the max rank.

Now show me a single interview about either of these games taking inspiration from Onimusha.

>giving you half a billion combo attacks that are completely worthless
Not every combo is useful, but there are still dozens of moves/combos that viable in specific situations, whereas DMC has a much smaller movepool, poorly balanced movepool, a shitty jarpig upgrade system, absolutely abysmal camera that obscures the action, godawful direction-based actions that are aggravated further by the shit camera, and horrible difficulty balance.

>and a bad upgrade system.
DMC has probably the worst upgrade system in any action game. Having key moves and mechanics in a game with an already small moveset be gated behind grindy unlocks is just fucking awful. Additionally, the power increase between new game and fully upgraded is absolutely gargantuan. When these carry over between playthroughs, it just makes it seem like some shitty grinding RPG.

God of War and NG give you upgrades with limited resources earned throughout your playthrough, so you actually have to make tough decisions and consider tradeoffs.

>Go try cancel Stinger mid-travel, you fucking retard.
Souls has many more actions that prevent rolls, much longer lead time for rolls, much lower i-frames for rolls, and rolls actually penalize your stamina. Additionally, DMC enemies have much more blatant telegraphs for attacks to signal to you exactly when to press your instant no-damage button.

But yet one is called "rollslop" while the other isn't called "jumpslop" or "cameraslop" or "jarpiggy-upgradingslop" or "doodad-fetchingslop"

>>714490479
DMC5's only positives are combat system/weapons and graphics. the meme music is average at best. the setting is as boring and uninspired as the one in 2. The characters are boring, even fucking Dante is boring how do you fuck that up? I rather play 4.

>>714499787
>DMC5
>good graphics
Not in this life time.

>>714490186 (OP)
The awful minigames kill all my desire to replay them. DMC1 could have been so great if it was basically RE1 with a beat em up combat system but the mission based structure and the gimmick shit kills it.
The worst part is how pervasive these gimmicks became throughout Platinum games titles so you have to eat around a stinking turd if you want to play a 3d beat em up only to end up unsatisfied because the games don't let you "play" until the ass end surround by minigames

DMC5 legit would've looked beautiful if it was made in like 2015 or something. The concept of what the areas look like aren't bad, it's the graphics and lighting that make them look grimey grey and overly detailed.

>>714490980
I'm playing DMC3 right now after coming from 4 and 1. The camera and the lock-on system are very frustrating to use. If I'm locked onto an enemy that I've beaten to the ground, and another enemy comes up behind me to attack, I'll roll out of the way and attempt to lock onto him, but usually I lock onto some other third enemy, which disrupts the flow of the fight. I also don't like the little fetch objectives, but the environments are very nice, unlike in DMC5. The environments in that game look very boring and uninspired.

>>714503248
lock-on is by far DMCs biggest fault.

"fans" are people that care more about story and lore and shipping than actual gameplay

>>714499719
>Now show me a single interview about either of these games taking inspiration from Onimusha
https://web.archive.org/web/20121116235034/http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/i_godofwar_ps2
>Eurogamer: Whose original concept was God Of War?
>David Jaffe: It was mine. Actually it was Capcom's because I played Onimusha and said 'let's do that with Greek Mythology' [laughs].
KILL YOURSELF.
NOW.

>Not every combo is useful, but there are still dozens of moves/combos that viable in specific situations, whereas DMC has a much smaller movepool, poorly balanced movepool, a shitty jarpig upgrade system
>DMC has probably the worst upgrade system in any action game
You are fucking lying FAGGOT.

See above.

>Souls has many more actions that prevent rolls
And?

I didn't say anything about Souls you stupid piece of shit.

DIE.

It's crazy how much damage DMC4 to the series, both it's reputation and the result of 5 itself.

>>714506009
I started with 4. Why was it regarded so poorly when it came out? Was it because of the back-tracking and Nero?

>>714490186 (OP)
That's a fascinating argument. I think that that's why 1 has picked up so much steam after the release of 5 or, at least, it's one of the reasons. 1 is a smaller, more focused game. It's short and to the point. There are frustrating parts but nothing overstays its welcome because nothing demands too much time.

3 has this issue but it compensates for it with a stellar story. There is a lot of small encounters and a annoying roadblocks. It's a good game but it can go on for too long.

>>714490479
You really find that to be a good thing? If that's the case then 5 is a game for digest, not made for any meaningful experience. DMC 1 and 3, for all their flaws demanded more from their players. You had to work for it. Yeah, 5's mechanics, 5's weapons, 5's movesets, but that's for those elitists who spent 400+ hours learning to jc. You can beat the game without ever doing any of that. Most everyone is not looking for that experience and the game won't hold the attention of the people who didn't spend the years between 4 and 5 learning inertia.

>>714499719
>DMC has probably the worst upgrade system in any action game.
I don't know that I'd go that far. 5 certainly has an explitable system with the hat.
DMC's issues are the exact opposite of what Kamiya seems to want to make out of action games, they are made by people who are afraid of scaring away their audience. Kamiya seems to not give a fuck and makes games wanting to good while the folks making DMCs 4, 5 and DmC all want to get as big an audience as they can by not being hard at anything. They made 4 look like it does because they didn't want the horror to scare women. Nero was made, specifically, to appeal to women. DMC5 is extra accessible, not being hard but having that unbeatable boss just to say that it is, and making every other aspect of the game quick and easy, for lack of a better term, to not frustrate the player. DmC, well, we all know why that happened.

DMC5? Bad game.

>>714506737
DMC4 is 50x worse no matter how you spin it

>>714505357
Holy fuck you're such a retarded seething sperg shitting your diaper lmao

And Jaffe is clearly talking about the thematic design rather than gameplay or mechanics.

>>714507067
>nothing but insults
Clear who won the engagement

I unironically think that DMC3 has one of the better stories told in a videogame

>>714506385
People didn't really like Nero and saw him as someone trying to replace Dante. That was probably the main issue for most, levels being retreads wouldn't have been as big a deal but still egregious.

>>714507583
Well, yeah, I knew he gave up last post when he just starts all-caps raging and sperging and refusing to address a single point. I just thought his little spergy meltdown was funny.

>>714506419
>nothing overstays its welcome
You have to fight most bosses 3 TIMES.

>>714490980
>Just stick to a real action game like Ninja Gaiden or Souls.
DMC, NG and DS aren't even similar. Why the fuck you retards keep comparing then?

>>714490186 (OP)
I hope you get raped.

>>714508239
You fight all bosses 3 times. There is also only 5 bosses. 15 boss fights on a 22 stages games seems like a good ratio. Except for Phantom and Nightmare, the fights are all different enough that they are not the same.

>>714507003
Be fair, it's only half a game. Give it some slack. You wouldn't make fun of a one legged man, would you?