i really like games set in space, and i know this one is pretty shit, but is it salvageable with mods like skyrim or is it irredeemably shit? i dont care about its price as ill be pirating.

how do you know it's shitty if you haven't played it? it's basically just skyrim in space with guns. if that's your thing then it's good. no need for mods. played the launch problem and everything worked fine. did maybe 3 playthroughs. probably not spoiler anymore since it's old game but the game sort of keep repeating after you beat it and there's some changes

ffs just play no man's sky
>>714507986
>shat on by fans and critics
you have absolutely dogshit taste

>>714507986
i didnt like skyrim but i loved fallout 4, it was my favorite fallout game, will i like this? also i've heard its really shitty, repetitive, all the planets look and feel the same, the quests are boring and there is not much variety in it, basically that it suffers the same problems as no mans sky.

>>714508270
i have played no cucks sky, it sucked at launch and it sucks now

Trainwiz and Emil get shitcanned and not a single thread.
I am disappoint.

>>714507657 (OP)
I think a lot of the hate it gets is due to it not innovating or advancing the genre. People universally pan modern Bethesda for being 'outdated'. But if you enjoy older games more than newer ones I don't see how it can be that bad. I finally played a full playthrough Skyrim about 2 years ago and thoroughly enjoyed it. I play mostly older shit from 10-30 years ago, some due to not having a modern graphics card until this year, but others because I just like older games. I still buy 360 and ps3 games on eBay and enjoy playing through them. I emulate PS2 games regularly. I have a 3DS for whenever I travel. So for me I feel like Starfield, which aside from complaints about a nonsense story, is probably a fine game that i'll enjoy because I still love the era of games that Bethesda is apparently unable to evolve out of. The biggest drawback that I can think of is that it didn't get the same lewd/gooner outfit/body mods that Skyrim or fallout got, which is basically the only thing that got me through Fallout 4.

>>714507657 (OP)
>is it salvageable with mods like skyrim or is it irredeemably shit
Did you at the very least like Fallout 4's gunplay? That's built on in this game. The shittier parts like the voiced protagonist and lack of dialogue options have been left behind in lieu of a more traditional, Bethesda-style dialogue system.
You also have to ask yourself if you like that "hard sci-fi", "NASApunk", sorta cassette-futurism and sorta space western sort of aesthetic the game has.
Do you also like the idea of designing and customizing your own ship? It's easily one of the more fun things to do and there's lots you can do with mods as well.

IMO the only "required" mods are a few that do things like remove the repetitive POIs and add more variants, one to either fix the shitty "Citizen" crowd textures or replace them with normal human NPCs, and random QOL fixes.
I don't compare this to No Man's Sky at all, either. No Man's Sky is fun but is more like a sandbox, Minecraft sort of game. Starfield, for all it's faults, has more dialogue for it's quests than even BG3.

>>714509585
i adore fallout 4's gunplay, and the stuff you just described sounds appealing. will it have cool missions? in fallout my favorite faction was the institute, its not going to have cuck factions like onions vegas or make me be a little bitch and join a super cucked faction like the railroad is it?

How come Starfield defenders don't hang out on /v/ and respond as much to threads? Where did they go?

>>714507657 (OP)
>Starfield threads continue to this day
Todd won, Obsidishit lost.

>>714507657 (OP)
I wish it was a good game. They nailed the aesthetic.

>>714508642
Trainwiz is still around, are you high?

>>714508642
>telling lies on the internet
And Trainwiz doesn't even work for Bethesda, lol

>>714507657 (OP)
It's just a bethesda game set in space, if you like the those 2 things you'll enjoy the game. I liked it more than Fallout 4 because at least the environments looked good rather like the inside of a toilet.
The complaints are real but the significance of them are a bit overblown. The POI system is a crippling flaw but if you can enjoy Oblivion despite its level scaling then you can enjoy Starfield. There are games that are a lot worse that this board sucks off

>>714507657 (OP)
It's a matter of whether you have the patience for a game like this. I haven't played Death Stranding yet but I hear people say that it and Starfield are similar, so if you played and enjoyed Death Stranding, you might enjoy Starfield even without the mods.

>>714509808
>join a super cucked faction like the railroad
I hated being, ahem, railroaded into dealing with them in Fallout 4. You're only forced to join Constellation, the "exploration" group the main story centers around, and even then you can explore the entire game without even starting the main quest. There's military/security factions, a corpo faction, you can even join the game's pirate faction through various means. I don't think any of the missions are bad by any means, since IMO the "designed" content is where the game shines rather than through procedurally-generated exploration.
>>714511487
>The POI system is a crippling flaw
It was one of the reasons I originally dropped the game on release, aside from things like the shitty map system which have been only somewhat fixed.
It'd be too much to drop my mod list here, but to name one I consider "POI Variations - No More Duplicates" to be absolutely essential and something Bethesda should have already added to the game.
>no, I also haven't paid a dime for the game and no, I definitely haven't paid for any stupid '''creations''' either

>>714510264
Reddit and Discord for the most part. /v/ is just about a lost cause when it comes to discussing this game, even the /vg/ general barely has people left since anons like to doompost in there too.

>>714507986
>it's basically just skyrim in space with guns
And no exploration, the main selling point of every Bethesda game since Morrowind.

>>714507657 (OP)
From what i've seen of Starfields modding scene, it's pretty shit. There's mods that convert the game into Star Wars I guess.

>>714508270
it got fine scores from critics and customers mah boi. suck ass you fucking liar

>>714507657 (OP)
Mods can't fix something that is fundamentally not entertaining. Without anything worthwhile to build on, you're just putting frosting on a turd.

It’s good for one playthrough, which is a shame because its coolest idea is how it implements NG+. But once you’ve seen what it has to offer and engaged with the core loop briefly, there’s little reason to keep playing.

>>714510264
Shitposting's more fun

>>714513104
I'm a Starfield fan. I don't post here because, like you said, it's useless. I don't even care to post any pictures or webms I make here. I also don't go to Reddit or Discord, since I hate both of those places. /stag/ is slow and we do have a few doomposters there, but it's still nice despite it and I'd take that over the alternatives. Also I hang out in live streams.

>>714509808
You dont have to join the railroad in fallout 4

>>714507657 (OP)
face it kid. if you want to play an immersive simulator in space you will have to play elite or that other space game which will never be finished. starslop is just a bethesda slop game with space wallpaper

>>714514319

>>714514294
no it doesnt, i used railroad as an example you fucking pajeet, i didnt say "make us join a cucked faction like fallout 4 did" i just said railroad, as in "it wont make us join a cucked faction such as railroad, will it?" you'd know this if you werent a disgusting subhumna racially inferior treetshitting shitskin pajeet scum. and the game still makes you side with the cucketmen and that cuck preston cuckvey. kill yourself you cow shit eating rat.

>>714507657 (OP)
A new hope
full conversion
https://youtu.be/EqQfBMF5hzk

Some mods are pretty fun

>>714515414
Honestly a waste of time and effort when Starfield is so dogshit technically. Four loading screens just to get into space, space combat is a joke, no seamless takeoff and landing on planets, ship building is an even bigger joke and bar building wasn't even an afterthought, it was genuinely pointless.

>>714516002
>uggo fatties come barreling towards you out of nowhere

>>714516019
I know, but don't be a party pooper

>>714516082
Star Trek conversion when?

>>714516346
orbital flight?

>>714507657 (OP)
>I know it's shit, but is it irredeemably shit?
Just play it man, you like what you like

>>714516491
Starfield is technically already capable of letting you fly through space in real time, but you move at such a snails pace that you need a mod for it to not take several hours or days to get anywhere. We don't have a mod that lets you transition between planet and space in real time yet
https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/9363

>>714516983
Nice

>>714510965
His space game is better than starfield

>>714507657 (OP)
>salvageable with mods like skyrim
lol

>>714507657 (OP)
The idea of mods fixing bethesda games only works when we're talking about issues like bugs, graphics, combat mechanics, balancing, etc. Modders don't have the ability to fix bland characters, uninspired boring worldbuilding, fundamental design problems, and so on.

>>714517594
lowest bar to clear.

>>714509585
I think this is really the best description. Game is okay if a bit outdated formula held back by the empty planets. Ship stuff is probably the best part of the game actually. To this day I suspect it was supposed to be more of a survival game and that's why features like outposts or ship having fuel capacity end up so vestigial.
Also I personally like the style the game is going for.

I still can’t believe how bad this game was.

i hate niggers

>>714520868
That doesn't make you special

>>714507986
>it's basically just skyrim in space with guns

It's not nearly that good. I was expecting that it would be a MUCH WORSE Fallout 4 but in space and I was still disappointed.

>>714507657 (OP)
>is it salvageable
No because the game is rotten to its core. The gameplay loop just isn't engaging. The story is abysmal. Modding has been mostly abandoned and any mods left are largely monetized. Updates happen infrequently and DLCs are years apart. The game is already dead.

>>714507657 (OP)
It is a good game imo, but there are so many instances where I could see it being a far better game if bethesda would get their head out of their asses.

>>714521427
>No because the game is rotten to its core
The game actually feels like they intentionally left all of the planets empty and repetitive because they fully expected the fans to finish the game for them. Fallout 4 and Skyrim didn't feel like that to me. The open world in those games felt fleshed out and filled with content by comparison.

Bethesda had a chance of learning from this but since everyone sucked their dicks off due to the Oblivion remaster (which is actually much worse than the original game once you get past the graphics), they won't learn shit. The next ES game will be even worse than Starfield.

i badly wanted to get into starfield modding but there was (still is?) no official guide or instructions for how their engine works
i dont want to read and learn guides written for skyrim then find out they changed it for Fallout4 then again for starfield

>>714522157
There are fan guides available

>>714507657 (OP)
>pirate troglodyte
kys brown fag

>>714511481
I thought he worked on Starfield

>>714521904
they did intentionally leave most planets baren to simulate what real space would be like, the game is set in a future verion of earth

>>714524101
They might have brought him in to work on a few things during development like they did with Elianora, but he's not actually employed at Bethesda. Might be best to ask him about that yourself, he usually hangs around /tesg/ on /vg/

>>714524101
He has his own space game about giant space monsters.

>>714521427
All of this applies to Skyrim as well but people still made the most of it.

>>714507657 (OP)
>there's a repeatable bounty hunter quest
Huh, maybe there's room for Boba Fett run in this game

>>714524712
The biggest difference is Skyrim's world is handbuilt and has stuff to explore. Bethesda lives and dies by the fidelity of its world, which Starfield doesn't have because it's so randomly generated.

>>714524358
>they did intentionally leave most planets baren to simulate what real space would be like
And yet every landable planet is covered in signs of human activity over every inch of their surface making the galaxy feel tiny and fully explored

>>714524838
I think last minute they changed shit, because all the previous interviews they were like "Yeah there's tons of really barren moons that are there to be settled by you"
Given how much the game changed it makes more sense.

Installing Star War Genesis right now with Wabbajack, without giving a cent to nexus and it's still simple as fuck

>>714507986
>how do you know it's shitty if you haven't played it?
How do you know you'll die if you never tried shooting yourself in the head?

>>714507657 (OP)
Just don't play the main quest at all and you'll enjoy it.

>>714510264
What's the point defending a game against people who never played it? It didn't come out on PS5 so about half of /v/ can't even play it

>>714525071
I'm convinced it was a survival/exploration game at some point and outposts were supposed to refuel your ship as you are pushing the frontier left into uninhabited regions but they ended up cutting it and we were left with a bunch of pointless skills and features.

>>714507986
>Exit a building - walk to your ship - enter your ship - exit to space - jump to solar system - jump to planet - land on planet - exit your ship - walk to a building - enter building. That's 9 loading screens to go between two buildings. And yes, developers have oh so kindly reminded us that you can fast travel between locations you've been to. Except there is 1000 planets, and you haven't been to any of them. So while you can cut it down to 2 or 3 loading screens when going between locations you've been to, how many thousands or tens of thousands of loading screens in clusters of 9~ do you think you'll be able to go through before the ability to not have to go through those loading screens in locations you're probably never going back to anyway, wears off?

>>714507657 (OP)
1: No amount of modding can fix the shit that's at the core of this game because the biggest problem this game has is the endinge.
2: Every modder that has been known to fix bethesda games has washed their hands of this game. Mods will never save it, at best you'll get some skin mods and anything bigger will end up being sold on the mod market for real money.

>>714525598
That was literally what it was at one point. They said they stripped that away because playtesters were getting lost.

>>714525598
>anything bigger will end up being sold on the mod market for real money
And this will save the game because Xboxs and Starfield defenders are stupid whales who will fund Bethesda through their failure. Look at Watchtower it has 2 million plays, who knows what that translates to sales but its still no small ammount. Creations is clearly viable and people are buying mods.

>>714525940
Starfield is unironically the best star wars game with the star wars genesis mods.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emn4yriKxbI

>>714526150
>V8
Based

>>714526150
Sorry, meant to post this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmJtlZOzqqk

>>714525584
>It didn't come out on PS5 so about half of /v/ can't even play it
>half
More like 75%.

>>714507657 (OP)
The gunplay is good and the assets are high quality, good enough for a romp going through space shooting space pirates if you have gamepass

>>714526368
>It didn't come out on PS5
I completely forgot about it. That explains a lot indeed

>>714525584
>It didn't come out on PS5
If Helldivers can come to Xbox it's likely Starfield will come to PS5. I'm half expecting it to get announced in August.

>>714507657 (OP)
If only there was a Starfield Online. I certainly hope microsoft wouldn't cancel such a thing if it existed

>>714526678
There is. Its called No Man's Sky

>>714526904
The has it's qualities but it lack the RPG touch

>>714527124
*game has its

>>714517213
What a hag

>>714525768
Turns out when you cut out the main gameplay loop and replace it with nothing the game suffers for it

>>714517213
Another reason this game is dead. Nobody has made a good animation replacer yet. Look at those dancers, what the fuck is that? Punch the air? Milking the cow? Whatever it is its not sexy

>>714507657 (OP)
Starfield is built in a way that prevents the mods that would save it from working.
It's easier to make a space mod for Skyrim or Fallout 4 than it is to save Starfield

>>714527708
Because Starfield's Creation Kit doesn't even have the animation tools yet. Bethesda for some reason used some expensive licensed software to develop much of the game instead of their own in house tools, so now we have to wait for them to actually develop the tools for modders to use.

Probably the most boring sci-fi setting in the history of video games. It's actually impressive how bland they made it.

At least the game survived long enough to have a few sex mods

>>714507657 (OP)
I'm in the same boat and no, it's unfixable with mods. It's like Skyrim but completely sanitized and devoid of soul. Modders can barely make any fun ship. I modded the game extensively with all sorts of survival mechanics, fuel etc but the core is so barren and rotten there's little fun to be had.
At this point, SW outlaws is a legit better space experience after they fixed a lot of the launch issues. I know it's hard to believe but it's a honest 7/10 experience and I'm not even a SW fan. There's a demo out for it since a couple of months you can check out. If you want more freedom, there's always X4: foundations. Also moddable, kinda steep learning curve but it's a pretty good game overall.

Just stay away from Starfield. No matter what you do modwise, it will leave you with a foul aftertaste and an utter disdain for Bethesda. The game is an absolute joke and will always and forever remain a boring loading screen simulator. If it's not a loading screen raining on your parade it's something else horribly broken that will kill your immersion literally every 10 min. And Bethesda does nothing of substance to attempt to fix it. The quality of the DLC should tell you everything you need to know.

>>714528243
The problem with Starfield lore is the writers had a serious case of "good enough"s. They did the bare minimum to flesh out the world and game itself has next to no world building. Its boring because the world is hollow like a kinder end only there is no toy inside

>>714529061
*egg not end. Fucking autocorrect

>>714526523
The ironic thing is that Starfield was originally going to be a PlayStation exclusive. Sony was ready contractually obligate Starfield to being exclusive like they typically do, then Xbox just comes in and buys Bethesda outright which prevented that from happening (and made Starfield Xbox and PC exclusive instead).

>>714510264
I don't really defend Starfield because why in the absolute fuck would I try to convince mouthbreathers on /v/ to play a single player game?

Forget fixing or defending the game. Just use the corpse of the soulless zombie and use it to make something good like a conversion for instance.

I still don't understand why they didn't just copy Freelancer

On the plus side, the game's lack of popularity means that it won't be seeing as much of the more obnoxious side of fandoms like other games do. Discussions of it in the right places seem to be generally peaceful and engaging instead of being rife with autists, retards and cucks

>>714529891
Because Bethesda isn't too bright.

>>714529983
I don't know why every space game has its dev team suddenly decide to go full on procedural generation when it always ends up shit.

>>714529891
Stylistically and aesthetically they could have mogged with this.
Screw Alpha Centauri or whatever system, when you can have factions and areas like Space America, Space Britain, Space Japan, and even Space Germany.
Going to the California system to land on Planet Los Angeles, before, say, going to visit Sapporo Station in the Hokkaido System just sounds a whole lot cooler already.
Hell, it doesn't even matter if each planet just has a hub city just like Starfield or even like Mass Effect, at the very least each planet would have a unique, immediately recognizable style.

>>714529891
Bethesda clearly wanted this game to be as unique as possible instead of feeling like it ripped other IPs off.

>>714530389
Maybe they should have made it good in the process

>>714530645
To make it "good" would mean to make it familiar to you and others who think like you. The game was more or less an experiment that only some people found enjoyment in

>>714530389
Freelancer hasn't had anything comparable in almost 22 years.

>>714530389
>as unique as possible instead of feeling like it ripped other IPs off.
How can you even say that when we literally have:
>Shitty Firefly
>Shitty Bladerunner
>Shitty Startrek

all in one fucking game.

>>714530758
>The game was more or less an experiment that only some people found enjoyment in
what does it say about me that it's, without question, my favorite RPG Bethesda has made?

>>714507657 (OP)
Nah the game is just terrible, it's the most soulless game and it fails horribly in all these different ways you wouldn't even think of as ways you could fail. Every quest, character and bit of dialogue is painful.

>>714531262
It means you're like those people who enjoys eating anchovy pizza.

>>714531262
Likely that you're autistic with a space fixation so severe that you can overlook quality as long as it matches your preferred setting.
Which is fine, I do the same shit with Mecha games

>>714531420
>Likely that you're autistic with a space fixation so severe that you can overlook quality as long as it matches your preferred setting.
I mean that's every spacefag. Look at their top games: No Man's Sky, Elite, X4, and fucking Star Citizen.

>>714531713
You make a good argument anon.

>>714531420
That's possible, but I've tried other space games and I end up putting them down after a weekend or two. I don't even care for Star Trek, Stargate, Star Wars or any of the staple space franchises. Mass Effect I couldn't get into at all.

I genuinely don't get it.

>>714507986
>it's basically just skyrim in space with guns.
t.never play the game

>>714532068
It does feel like fallout briefly when you get the odd moment of not mandatory fast traveling through 4 loading screens every 30 seconds between objectives.

>>714507657 (OP)
From what I hear there are basically no mods for it unlike Skyrim, New Vegas and Fallout 4.

>>714532669
Depends on how you define "no mods"

>>714532669
People aren't going to put much effort into modding a game that sucks by default and doesn't have much of a fan base

>>714529891
I actually like Starfield's balance of ground and space. My ship plays a large role but the majority of shit's on foot which makes me feel like more of a cool spaceman while in Privateer/Freelancer/Elite Dongerous* you're a ship 99% of the time and you see a few cutscenes with spaceman

*Elite did add atmospheric flight and first person shooty bits and moon buggies but again, I prefer Starfield's system where the space stuff is the light fluff to enhance the ground part

>>714531262
I don't think I'd rate it that high (Will wait until I've played it longer to really judge) but it's up there for me. Morrowind still wins by a whisker because Morrowind with TR is an obscenely nice world to run around in, but I think I may like Starfield more than Daggerfall/Skyrim/Fallout and Daggerfall's the best comparison when it comes to other Bethesda games

Not counting Fallout 1 and 2 of course. FNV though? Maybe. Maybe. FNV's better in many respects but there isn't anything else that does what Starfield does how Starfield does and I value that more than FNV being better than FO3 and 4. The closest probably IS Elite Dangerous which I've got hundreds of hours in and now I feel like Starfield's just flat out replaced it

>>714532809
And what are the average subscription rate for those mods? How many of those mods actually add content to the game?

>>714507657 (OP)
>salvageable with mods like skyrim
you unironically don't need mods for either of these games
either you like them or you don't, quit being a faggot about it

>>714531713
God this genre's fucking cursed, isn't it?

>>714534423
Too lazy to fully look into it, but based on filtering search results, I'd guesstimate about 50% to 60% those mods adds new content to the game, the rest probably consists of fixes, visual changes, gameplay changes, and translations.

>>714507657 (OP)
It's fun. It's incredibly underwhelming for all the promises they made, but it plays exactly like a Bethesda game. If you like Fallout and the like, you'll like this one. And with mods it can only get better

>>714507657 (OP)
the game is fine on its own it just has some issues, mods help alleviate some of them but it really needed some more time to bake. (and a few better design decisions). lots of potential though

the real fucked thing about starfield is how fucked the community is with paid mods, find your way in to a pirate circle because a lot of them are genuinely great and some even worth the money, but its not worth spending the price you paid on the game originally (or more!) back to try to cobble together a better experience

>>714507657 (OP)
when I got to the strip club and it was just a faggot dressed up like some gay space teletubby I knew there was nothing redeeming about this game or modern Bethesda

>>714507657 (OP)
Starfield is the best space game ever made, go pirate it and try it out. I definitely enjoyed my time with it.

>>714508497
It's honestly worse than Fallout 4. Basically imagine if every POI in Fallout 4 was one of four buildings occupied by the exact same raiders every time, and you could become second in command of the Railroad, Brotherhood of Steel, and Institute all in the same playthrough.

Also imagine if settlements were completely useless because every NPC vendor had a massive stock of any crafting material you needed for rock bottom prices, and crafting was useless because the second you'd kit out a gun you'd find a new gun with twice the damage as a random drop from a mucklurk.

>>714535338
Its more like 30% and the rest are fixes,visual changes, gameplay changes, and translation. Actual content mods that aren't fucking star wars are a rarity.

>>714534790
That's because space game players are unimaginative faggots who like could-be systems over anything else.