Metroidvanias are boring. If you had to throw one Metroidvania game at me to convince me otherwise, what would it be?

>>714522637 (OP)
Insanely Twisted Shadow Planet.

>>714522637 (OP)
try metroidvania: piss man 5 its really great

>>714522637 (OP)
There are only two good Metroidvanias
>Dark Souls 1
>Nine Sols

>>714522962
>Ds1
>Nine sols
Uhmm anon those are souls like

>>714523079
Fucking this. So much this.

Hollow Knight is the only one I've enjoyed as much as Super Metroid.

>>714522637 (OP)
jet set willy

>>714522637 (OP)
Aquaria.

>>714523180
It's that good huh? I see it on sale. I must buy.

>>714522637 (OP)
Super Metroid
The only good Metroidvanias are the ones that understand that the genre is all about replayability.

>>714522739
>>714522962
>>714523180
>>714523262
>>714523268

no one tell him anything. he's a spy, trying to get intel

>>714522637 (OP)
dont care. find your own amusement

>>714523419
Alright I'm sorry.

>>714523351
Someone post that "super fucking overrated" image

>>714523738
Enjoy your 20+ hour "metroidvania" you'll only ever play through once.

>>714522637 (OP)
Super Metroid

How does everyone feel about Axiom Verge? I killed 3 bosses so far and been to like 6 areas so far, game's just not really grabbing me yet. I kinda don't like the controls and the art isn't anything special. The glitch concept seems cool though.

>>714522637 (OP)
SOTN
I don't give a fuck how easy it is, no game has this "aura" about it, the graphics, the music, the fact that even 30 years later I'm still learning secret about the game, it's such an incredible game
If you don't like SOTN, you simply have no taste
If I'm not allowed to pick SOTN, it's either super Metroid or Aria of Sorrow

>>714522637 (OP)
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1203630/Record_of_Lodoss_WarDeedlit_in_Wonder_Labyrinth/
This one. It's like SotN condensed into an ~8 hour long game. No padding, looks great, plays great.

>>714524102
>If you don't like SOTN, you simply have no taste

Blasphemous is supposed to be good idk

>>714522637 (OP)

>>714522637 (OP)
Prince of Persia Lost Crown
>DMC but 2D
>build customization
>next gen metroidvania QoL such as pinning photos to your world map
>can make it the hardest game to ever exist, or play it balanced, or make it so easy that a grandma can get through
>tons of bosses
>your ears will want to sex u after hearing the title screen track, the rest of OST is just as great https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqLfwAnJ1Pw
>tons of post launch content and challenges, boss rush, etc
>15 bucks on sale, gets you everything
>arguably the best metroidvania ever made, hard to refute

Best way to play sotn?

>>714522637 (OP)
most memorablefor me was Animal well, yokus island express and steamworld dig 2.

>>714524673
I knew it was a good game despite all the crying about "muh MC", because I emulated the Switch version when it released, just to get a feel of it.
But this webm convinced me that I need to play it. Very fun looking platforming. One thing I don't like about SotN is exactly the fact that it pretty much doesn't have any real platforming at all.
Although, since I waited this long already, I'll get it when it's -75%.

>>714522637 (OP)
>arrive almost dead in that room in inverted castle
>get killed with one kick to the head

>>714522892
i googled this and it was NOT a videogame, now my mom says i can't use the computer for a week

GUACAMELEE

>>714522637 (OP)
Aria of sorrow or metroid fusion
Hollow knight is a walk/10

>>714524673
This. It‘s still the only metroidvania game with good combat. Unfortunately indie devs will continue to copy hollow knights boring combat instead of taking notes from this game

>>714522637 (OP)
Guacamelee! (the first one) or Super Metroid. Both are kino.

>>714522637 (OP)
I wouldn't bother. It's a game formula, same as any other. You either like the idea or you don't.

>>714526647
I loved that game on the Xbox, need to replay it

>>714524673
>ubisoft makes a genuinely great game
>then they immediately disband the team that made it before they implode their stock value
So fucking typical. Ubishit sucks so fucking bad. They've got good dev talent but it's just like Ubishit is allergic to making good stuff, and if they somehow manage to make good stuff anyway then they're surely quick to stomp it out and kill it before more good stuff can be made.

>>714527391
>game flops
>studio gets disbanded
This happens all the time. Blame the games failure for that

How hard are the other metroidvania Castlevanias? Only metroidvania Castlevania I beat so far was Order of Ecclesia. I heard it was hard and it was hard for me for sure, but still manageable. I'm playing through Portrait of Ruin with being around the second version of the portraits and honestly it feels like it's on par with OoE in terms of difficulty except for bosses, though the Death boss fight was pretty tough. I also played a bit of the start of SoTN but I got really annoyed with how much knockback Alucard took from damage.

I know there are ways to break the games like how in OoE you can combine Dominus Agony and Death Ring together to nuke bosses, but I prefer to beat these games without cheesing.

>>714528059
All igavanias but the first one on gba (forgot the name) are easy

>>714522637 (OP)
La-Mulana

>>714522637 (OP)
King fu cut an and hollow knight 2. If you can't wait for the release, then try salt and 5.

>>714522637 (OP)
metroid fusion, metorid zero mission or Castlevania Sotn

>>714524673
I dont want to play as a nigger

i have no interest in convincing anybody about anything. if you dont like it you dont like it

Shadow Complex

>>714530564
Shut the fuck up you dumbass racist fuck.

>>714524673
This game is well made, but kinda soulless

>>714522637 (OP)
Rabi-Ribi or BEX and if you can't beat it I can say skill issue and filtered.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtkZim3AmlA

>>714530564
I can't imagine passing off playing a game because of the colour of the protagonist's skin triggers you.

>>714523280
>It's that good huh?
it fucking is, and for the price? you're essentially robbing team cherry blind

>>714522637 (OP)
Metroid-likes*

>>714522637 (OP)
I don't care about convincing you. You're not that important.

Man I like Hollow Knight, but I really can't trust Team Cherry for shit anymore with how disasterous they have handled Silksong. I'm still going to get it eventually but I'm in no hurry to get with how much of my hype for it has died. And it's going to be worse if it comes out as just okay or mediocre.

>>714531252
>I don't care about convincing you. You're not that important.

>>714523365
someone on this board gaining intelligence for once would not be a bad thing

>>714527006
Guacamelee definitely

>>714522637 (OP)
System Shock 2

>>714531002
people like you are the reason why the world is in such a shit state right now.
absolute scum

>>714524289
this game was great, like you said all killer no filler, beat it in ~8 hours, got it for pretty cheap too

>>714523351
this, if you git gud you can literally complete the game in whatever order you like outside of the final boss, and all in one sitting

>>714531268
You‘re going to play it on the day it comes out. Stop pretending

>>714522637 (OP)
I just finished steamworld dig. What did I think of it besides how short it was?
Which is OK, BTW. You can still have fun even if it is short... Right?

>>714522637 (OP)
As long as you don't fall for the Shallow Knight shills, you're fine. They're about as delusional as soulsfags or halofags because its the first/only one they've ever played.

>>714523268
This one is interesting but I wouldn't rec it to someone who doesn't enjoy the genre.

>>714524071
A little too short and simple for my taste, and the guns were just generically garbage. Still better than AV2 but man, if the style and music don't grip you then AV1 is just kinda mediocre.

>>714522962
I really liked Hollow Knight.

>>714524289
>female protagonist
nah, I’ll pass.

>>714524673
no matter how good it is I won’t play cause of the nigger.
sad.

>>714527672
The studio is still active, the team within the studio that made the game is what was disbanded

>>714524289
I liked Touhou Luna Nights more than this one.

Probably Metroid Fusion. In that game you're proceeding through mostly linear areas performing missions and the world opens up gradually from there. It has a satisfying narrative throughline, interesting set pieces, and really cool boss fights interspersed through your various missions.

>>714522637 (OP)
Nine Sols. It's bite-sized and very stylish. Doesn't drag itself out like most Metroidvanias do. Shows you pretty things and lovable characters and stylish artwork and good music and then it's over. None of that monotonous trudging through the same oversized areas and backtracking.

>>714533431
Nine Sols more like Nine SHITS LMAO GOTTEM

>>714522637 (OP)
Ghost Song has to be the most underrated metroidvania I've ever played. I went through literally about 20 different metroidvanias recently and it was hands down the best. It's like if Super Metroid had been made today but with a more realistic slant where every enemy has stature and feels like an actual fight, and with less hand holding as for direction. Everything just feels so solid. I wish more people played it so we could get more like it.

>>714524102
I played the game for the first time recently and you're right it does have a ton of soul, but does suffer for a couple reasons, mainly the backtracking. Especially if you're playing it blind, expect to have to refight your way through hallways over and over again as you re-explore loose ends that you couldn't access before due to not having the right powers. And the fast travel is so split up that half the time walking to your destination is just as fast.
Also I'm not a fan of leveling up, Ii prefer it Metroid style where you get stronger by finding power ups and items, not just grinding mobs for XP so you can get small incremental stat boosts.

But the game has insane personality and attention to detail, hidden items, things like secret weapons, voice work and level up abilities for your familiars, secret cheat code spells and other shit I had no chance of finding on my own, the game has so many hidden details that players will definitely miss on most playthroughs.
I went and watched Vampire Hunter D for the first time after completing it, I assume that's a source of inspiration because there's no way you come up with a game this soulful after making something like NES Castlevania.

>>714522637 (OP)
Super Metroid

>>714533198
Based pick. Fusion always felt like the perfect midpoint between classic Metroid linearity and modern storytelling. The oppressive vibe from the SA-X still holds up-nothing like hearing those ominous footsteps slowly getting louder while you're just trying to get to the next nav room. It may not have the sprawling freedom of Super or Dread, but I’ll be damned if it didn’t keep me locked in from start to finish. Plus, that Ridley-X fight still slaps.

>>714533431
>Nine Souls
>bite-sized
Wut? Nothing over 5 hours to beat (first playthrough, casually) qualifies as bite-sized.

>>714523280
It is good, though if you're bored easily I warn you that it starts slow since you don't have any movement abilities. Once you beat the greenpath boss things go much quicker

>>714522637 (OP)
Alright, let's cut the crap. It's my favorite genre but at least 90% of the games are amateur dog shit or have some annoying gimmick that defeats the purpose.
This is the real list. Only these are worth playing:
>Super Metroid
>Metroid Zero Mission
>Metroid Fusion
>Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
>Castlevania (all of the GBA and DS games)
Both of the above series turned to garbage after these. There are a few indie games that come close to being "alright" but it's honestly just cope from people like me who are desperate for more absolute classics like what I listed. None of them are actually as good. And even out of those I listed, Super Metroid and Symphony of the Night put the other sequels to shame. So all of these years later it STILL just comes down to those two games, and everything else is just tolerable at best.

>>714535545
Compared to something like Hollow Knight it's bite-sized.

>>714534992
NES Castlevania had a lot of soul, just check out the credits.
But a lot of SotN assets already existed from the previous game Rondo of Blood.

It always blows my mind that Afterimage doesn't get more recognition in these threads. I've played a bunch of Metroidvanias and I truly think AI is in my top 10 if not top 5. I enjoyed it more than all the non-Soma portable CV games, Ender Lillies, and maybe Zero Mission/Fusion. It's got a fuck huge map, interesting lore, decently customizable/complex combat, fun bosses, loads of secrets, and tight controls. It's a pretty obvious ripoff of Hollow Knight in a lot of ways (most noticeably the shortcuts where you hit a support beam on a wall three times to break a wall from one side to allow access to a previous area) but it adds so much and obviously puts in a lot of polish and soul that I think it, in many ways, surpasses HK.

>Super Metroid
>Zero Mission
>AM2R
>Dread
>Metroid Prime
>Shantae and the Pirate's Curse if that counts
>Guacamelee
I should probably play more non-Metroid Metroidvanias.
SotN is good but I got bored in the reverse castle, it was such a pain in the ass to navigate.
Hollow Knight is also pretty good but the movement is too bland and the map is too big for its own good. Collectables are also pretty underwhelming.
The Ori games are also fine. They've got pretty fun movement but that's about all they've got going for them.
Been meaning to play Blasphemous eventually

Is Hollow Knight actually good?

>>714535882
Comparatively, sure.
But if we're going to talk actual bite-sized vanias, you want something the length of like Robot Wants Kitty and all its sequels.

>>714536282
If you can get past the Tim Burton aesthetic it's alright.

>>714536282
Yes. It takes the entire first biome to get good (the devs apparently thought that most of the players would never have played a video game before so it starts extremely simple) but once it picks up it really picks up.

>>714522637 (OP)
Trying playing proper Metroid-likes, then. They're actually good.

>>714536282
Yeah.
I honestly can't tell if people are shitposting or not when they call Hollow Knight bad. It's not "the single most amazing game ever," but it's really damn good.
But as the other Anon pointed out, it takes a while to warm up initially due to a lack of decent mobility options, then it cracks open and you can go just about anywhere.
>>714536183
I've been slowly working on Afterimage on and off the past few months and it is good, but I haven't really gotten far enough to pass judgement on it.

I tried Hollow Knight for about an hour or 2 on gamepass and found it boring.

>>714523351
Super Metroid isn't a metroidvania.

VVVVVV

>>714537032
It also isn't a metroid

>>714535750
Nah, some of the best Metroidvanias are amateur stuff. Hero Core, Lyle in Cube Sector, and Within a Deep Forest are timeless.

>>714537141
It's not even particularly super, if you wanna know the truth about it!

>>714536282
Yeah it’s fine. I have some nitpicks like the movement being boring and the game being too long, but it’s still a pretty good time. Definitely overrated though

>>714537059
Needlessly difficult. And I'm an NES gamer.