REGULATION IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING!!!

Why are you like this?

>>714560206 (OP)
>REGULATION IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING!!!
always has been for everyone with a net worth under 100 million USD

>>714560383
false

>>714560206 (OP)
Because regulation IS actually a good thing. Why *aren’t* you like this?

>>714560206 (OP)
I support all laws that favour me and I'm against all those that don't, simple as.

>>714560206 (OP)
>regulating people GOOD!
>regulating corporations BAD!
people would already be able to run their own servers if it wasn't illegal thanks to government regulations
>b-b-but some people are running private servers!
only until they get raided by the government because it's illegal

>>714560206 (OP)
I want to see this go through just so gayrope bureaucrazy will wave it off with legal mumbo jumbo like they always do and shatter ross' hopes and dreams

I really don't get that whole initiative.
> This game with 0 players left i bought 20 years ago should actually KEEP ITS SERVERS OPENS and STILL KEEP GETTING UPDATES!

Do these retards just want the underpaid overworked game developers to slave away forever on a game they want to move on from?

I'd bet $99999999 trillion dollars that everyone who supports Stop Killing Games laughed at Concord failing.
The stupid thing that inspired the whole stop killing games was an irrelevant garbage dead old car game but Concord, a new release lots of people worked in that closed within a day didn't get not even an inch of push back.

>>714560206 (OP)
I can smell the desperation. Suddenly when it hits 1 mil sigs, we get nonstop "this is actually bad, because [x]". How much is EA/Ubi paying you guys? You deserve double our janitorial staff for all your hard work.

>>714560609
They haven't done that with previous ECIs

>>714560206 (OP)
>40 hour work week with heavily limited 250% overtime
>100% paid vacations and holidays
>2 days per week guaranteed work free, if there's a holiday on your day off, you get an extra day to rest
>28 days of paid leave per year
>80% paid sick leaves
>80% paid maternal leaves (up to a year)
>free healthcare
>free universities based on test scores only
>no corn syrup in my food
Yup, regulations are soo bad for me.

>>714560631
>I really don't get
Clearly, cause your greentext is completely wrong.

>>714560631
>Do these retards just want the underpaid overworked game developers to slave away forever on a game they want to move on from?
I want every westoid developer to die a painful death but this is an acceptable compromise

>>714560631
That's the opposite of what the initiative is asking for

I am anti-SKG
I believe publishers will fuck us all in the end

With that being said: the publisher has almost infinite control over my purchase while I have no control other than "if you don't like it don't buy it."
that is not OK.

>>714560206 (OP)
Why do gamers out of all groups defend corporations so adamantly? It's on the level of nationalism at this point, people jumping in front of Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft and Valve/Ubisoft/Activision to block all regulations. Hell, just criticize game for it's mtx/battlepass/lootboxes/gacha stuff and you get gamers become genuinely angry and hostile.

Like does this happen with other industries and their consumers? Like some paid movies being taken away and the movie watchers getting angry and making fun of people who demand that studios and distributors shouldn't do that? Is it just vidya culture that has corporation/shareholder worship as cornerstore of gamer identity?

>>714560631
Concord gave out refunds

>>714560206 (OP)
yeah we should go back to that era of unregulated lootbox gambling
we should have gachas with 0.000001% undisclosed drop rates
Did you know that Nexon once fucked with the loot drops in maple story and lied about the drop rates that certain items NEVER APPEARED AT ALL SO YOU CAN KEEP ENDLESSLY PAYING
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/maplestory-publisher-nexon-fined-record-89-million-for-misleading-loot-box-mechanics

>>714560631
>I really don't get that whole initiative
We can see that, your own greentect completely misinterprets it

>>714560206 (OP)
How else are we supposed to reign in big companies?
>muh free market
That's how we got into this mess

>>714560427
Is that what you were taught to think by the rich people who fill the internet with content that pushes their beliefs and tries to shame you into going along with them? People like you always have no concept of what things would actually be like without regulation.

>>714560206 (OP)
The goddamn air you're breathing is fucking regulated. Stop using it right fucking now!
I swear you're either bonehead retarded or a child to not understand how the world works, and in both cases get the fuck out.

>>714560206 (OP)
We already tried the free market and it nearly destroyed a decade or two of video game art.

>>714560206 (OP)
video games have objectively been in a rapid downward spiral for at least 6 years now, more so than we may have believed in years past. We're at the point where the vast majority of games released in the past decade or so by major studios will be rendered unplayable, once they decide to arbitrarily shut down the servers. Servers of which most of the time were never necessary due to no multiplayer features anyway. Not to mention older, much more beloved video games could be reaching the end of their life cycle soon as well. We'll be largely left with nothing but the most modern slop possible if we don't do anything about this. Video game companies don't exactly deserve your sympathy anyway, as they just shit out garbage and try to milk your wallet as much as possible.

>>714560206 (OP)
>REGULATION IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING
yes, and?

>>714560848
I would think it is because these shills like to think they will be at the top making fun of peons and exploiting them.
Then again, if I was rich, I would be fucking pissed off that my vidya was being stolen from me.

>>714560206 (OP)
So true!

the initiative wasn't clear enough regarding beancounters, managers and lazy developers
they should be forced to run in a giant hamster wheel to power the servers to power the game they made sure was central server dependent for my leisure

>>714560631
Nobody asks for infinite servers or updates. The ask is an end of life plan. That can range from
- an offline mode retaining core features
- giving players tools to host their own servers / P2P
- planning the exact server shutdown in advance and putting that info on the box (like an actual rental or subscription).
Since this is hard to retrofit, it would only apply to future games, which you don't care about anyway.

>t. lead piping and asbestos enjoyer

>>714560206 (OP)
>All regulations are bad! The market should be completely free!
Ok, get rid of IP protection laws then.

>>714561169
But it doesn't happen with anime, movies, tv series, or books.
Only gamers defend corpos this much and demands them to not be regulated at all. Like brand identity is mark of pride to them

>>714561361
Yeah I have no idea why gamers are the most susceptible to it, considering one of the well renowned games programmers who made the PC be able to do scrolling platformers like the NES broke into his school with thermite to steal an Apple II. You would think that type of attitude would resonate with people who play games.

>>714560206 (OP)
Imagine if Blizzard went belly up tomorrow. You'd still be able to play Diablo 2, but not 3 or 4. Which would be no loss at all, but you get my point.

>>714560206 (OP)
Because I'd like to be able to use a thing I purchased at any point in the future, not until some arbitrary date.

>>714560848
The thing is none of these practices would survive if people weren't paying for them.
Regulations and retarded bureaucracy only affect the smaller end of the chain, those mega corporations you hate so much don't care either way as they have an entire branch of wagies just to deal with any legal/bureaucracy bs the government wants them to, the small guy is always the one on the losing end, this is what magatards fail to realize and what makes people seethe I assume.

>>714562364
>The thing is none of these practices would survive if people weren't paying for them.
Unfortunately, people are retards. Free market theory assumes rational actors that pay for the better, more efficient product which is not the case.
>smaller end of the chain
Problem is, I can't think of many smaller games that rely purely on a centralized service (They either have server tools, P2P or other bespoke ad-hoc methods) so this side of things wouldn't affect them nearly as much.

>>714560206 (OP)
kill games

>>714562364
You seem to both misunderstand and participate in doomerism.
It's considered "normal" for corpos to use government to further their interest, but when normal people and consumers tries to use government regulations and initiatives there is a huge pushback insisting it's wrong and pointless to try and change stuff and against free market etc.
Kinda fucked up isn't it? That it's the reflexive reply for so many gamers.

>>714560206 (OP)
only americans hate the idea of an industry getting regularly checked and audited for fraud and predatory practices.
USA is a hellhole run by billion dollar corpos lobbying the government 24/7. Americucks literally defend tipping culture

>>714560550
People do run their own servers and its not illegal
What are you on about?

>>714560631
>Buy DVD
>Put in DVD player
>Watch Movie

>Buy Game Disk
>Put in its specific Game Player
>Cant play game

Why should this be okay

>>714560710
Where?

>>714560206 (OP)
Technically "they" started regulating first by banning piracy.

And yes, its a completely made up government limitation. You do not have a magic right in the universe for your product not to be easily copied so it is (artificially) more valuable. Why would you?

By all means, let's have -zero- regultations like so (and no, I am not doing the anarcholibertarian thing. One could not have copyrights but still have forbidding murder etc) and I'd have no problem with it.

>>714561208
Why don't you see a European Citizen Initiative asking to make water and sanitation human rights?

>>714565428
>Why don't you see a European Citizen Initiative asking to make water and sanitation human rights?
Probably because it already was done back in 2013 and it was the first successful initiative?

>>714560206 (OP)
Of course regulation is a good thing, do you want child slaves working 16 hour shifts in the mines?
That's what deregulation gets you

>>714560631
>I really don't get

Yeah, no shit.

>REGULATION IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING
Yes.

>>714565428
>Why don't you see a European Citizen Initiative asking to make water and sanitation human rights?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right2Water
https://citizens-initiative.europa.eu/initiatives/details/2012/000003_en

>>714560631
go back faggot

>>714560206 (OP)
I'm not American
Regulation keeps my water clean, my roads safe and my government accountable

>>714560631
>should actually KEEP ITS SERVERS OPEN
No, they should patch out the online requirement, implement LAN, or release their server tools so I can make a server legally when they stop supporting it
>STILL KEEP GETTING UPDATES!
Nobody said that.

>>714560427
Name 5 examples.

>>714560206 (OP)
The only argument I've heard against it is "think of the developers" and I'm supposed to care? They didn't give a shit about us, hense we're in this position to begin with. If they don't want to adhere to new regulation (if it gets passed) they can fuck off.

>>714560631
(you)

>>714560848
Because millennial parents left video games to parent their children.
Used to be TV for millennials.

>>714560550
For some reason our wonderful governments here in Finland always enacts anything that's harmful to the everyday citizen ASAP but if there's something that would make our lives better then it's verboten

>>714560206 (OP)
Without regulation there would be no video games. Cities would be full of casinos and brothels and everyone would be high on all kinds of drugs while shitting themselves on the street.

>>714560206 (OP)
JEWS SHOULD DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCES!!!

Why are you like this?

>>714560206 (OP)
Because its been regulated the whole time and removing all regulations isn't an option so I can at least hope for some regulations that benefit me to be introduced

>>714560696
Somehow for some reason whenever there's pro-costumer movement going on cockroaches come out of the holes

>>714560550
>people would already be able to run their own servers if it wasn't illegal thanks to government regulations
You can do it. You only need to reverse engineer the server based on network traffic and guesswork. It's that easy.

>>714560631
>slave away forever
literally all you have to do is put the server side source code on github under a GPL license and patch the game to let the user pick what server they're using, assuming they can't already via some hidden config setting or something
that is less that zero effort, at best one or two lines of code unless the developers wrote abysmally retarded code or are complete idiots relying heavily on dogshit proprietary middleware to write a server
you don't even have to provide binaries

users would still have to pay for the game to get the game client + assets and the GPL license would largely hamstring competitors using a studio's code for their benefit
hell it doesn't even need to be an open source license, it could just be source available like aseprite, space engineers, unreal, and i think even tf2

literally no excuse other than self importance and arrogance and vain protectionism over what is almost certainly amateurish utterly worthless shitcode not worth paying for had it not been part of a game

>>714561208
Based. Simply zased. Everything should belong just to the chosen few like g*d intended.

>>714560631
Something like Anthem could work just fine as an offline game.

>>714568582
But I know millenials who aren't into vidya and they don't have same kind of kneejerk "NOOO DON'T CRITICIZE CORPOS OR SUPPORT REGULATIONS YOU... YOU FUCKING COMMIE!!!" Like gamers do. Like when the shitty live action Mulan got accusations of using the Ughyr or whatever slave labor, you didn't get Disney fans jumping to defend Disney.
But when game publishers and suits slap the most obnoxious mtx and uses crunch culture on top squeezing their workers to the point of mental breakdown before firing them, gamers jumps in to blame the devs instead.
It's just gaming subculture thing. Same with piracy. Someone emulates games? The fucking screaming and defending or corpos. Someone pirates a new game? Same thing but twice as loud.
Someone pirates a movie?
...
Nobody cares. Not the fans of movies especially. They are happy that more people get to see a movie they like. Same with anime especially. Some buys blurays because they want to support some studios but they don't go fucking feral if you say you torrented some anime.

Gamers are biggest corpocucks on the planet and would fucking rim some fat hairy shareholder ass if given the "privilege" and some fucking title of a "true gamer and fan".

>>714561329

>>714560206 (OP)
>Why are you like this?
Idk ask person who turned off your education and healthcare system.

>>714561312
This

>this guy would be considered a heckin anti-business socialist by modern muricans
Do Amerilards really?

>>714561482
And then he released the source code of his most renowned product and his company didn't disappear because of it.

>>714569578
Yes.
I few times made points that Teddy pushed and got called a commie by burgers. It's fucking depressing how Capitalism has rotted murican culture.

>>714569518
healther than the vaxx

>>714560206 (OP)
because you are like this

>>714569578
he was. the us was founded by communists.

>>714569614
And he did it for every iteration of idtech until he left after Rage.

>>714569643
>healther than the vaxx
Out of heroine again Robert?

>>714564582
i guess.. Poland?

>>714560206 (OP)
Clueless gamers want to feel like they are fighting a crusade against a big bad evil, many such cases

>>714569643
>.t Eben Bryers

>>714569578
Teddy's based, he's managed to fill all four quadrants of the political compass.

The red terror was videogames all along, they just bided their time.

Because we've seen what hapenned in America

>>714560631
>This game with 0 players left i bought 20 years ago should actually KEEP ITS SERVERS OPENS and STILL KEEP GETTING UPDATES!
Games from 20 years ago do not have that problem

>>714560631
This. There are some edge cases but for the most part trying to force every single game to be available forever is fucking retarded. Old online games which are popular enough to get revived do so anyway. This movement would do a lot better if it weren't so weirdly fanatical.

>>714560631
>KEEP ITS SERVERS OPENS and STILL KEEP GETTING UPDATES!
Because you are a dishonest faggot shill who doesn't understand what is the purpose of this initiative and what it asks for. Now kill yourself.

>>714560206 (OP)
I honestly don't get what's this about - keeping Concord servers alive? Someone is disabling offline singleplayer games?

Given then umber of anons blatantly misinterpreting what is quite clearly written on the initiative leads me to believe one, possibly two things are currently happening;

1) A co-ordinated effort to discredit the initiative via bad actors and/or
2) A shocking number of anons are illiterate and are physically incapable pf parsing what is written. This is quite likely as the retardation gets notably worse during burger hours and burger literacy is very poor overall.

>>714570591
>2) A shocking number of anons are illiterate and are physically incapable pf parsing what is written. This is quite likely as the retardation gets notably worse during burger hours and burger literacy is very poor overall.
Don't be too harsh on them. They don't have education after all.

>>714570591
Just look at threads like Monty Hall Problem

>>714570591
There's also option 3, aka anons having listened to a grifter like PirateSoftware

>>714570591
It's 100% bad actors. Here's a direct quote
>Imposing a legal obligation to continue server support indefinitely

https://www.videogameseurope.eu/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/VGE-Position-Discontinuation-of-Support-to-Online-Games-04072025.pdf

They are taking the same talking point as Thor claiming that SKG is about making developers support a game forever.

I am AGAINST the Stop Killing Games™ initiative. Guess my ethnicity

>>714571324
Giving that a quick read it seems to boil down to "i dun wanna!" while also having a fairly narrow focus on what the initiative is asking purposefully to ensure alternative options are not discussed.

>>714571457
Mystery meat

>>714571457
Jew.

>>714560206 (OP)
without regulation capitalists would still be allowed to give you a one year guarantee on their planned obsolence products. with regulations we the people have extended it to 2 years which benefits the consumer. the whole point of electing politicians is so they work to protect the vast majority without a voice against a handful of billionaires with far reaching bought voices. we don't want to become a capitalist dictatorship like america

>>714571457
The 3 musketeers of trying to ruin entertainment for white people. Jews, amerimutts and indians.

Literally only reason to have a government is to regulate, are you a fucking anarchist retard. Go tell your neighbourhood niggers they can do whatever they want, see what happens

If regulations were better retarded niggers like OP would have been filtered from the gene pool.

>>714571457
Amerimutt (Homo goyim)

why are there so many retards misunderstanding the movement?
it this the work of the pirate?

>>714571653
They're not misunderstanding, you're talking to paid professionals who's job is to spread misinformation.

>>714571653
>>714571324

>>714571457
Self hating whitey

>>714560206 (OP)
Regulation for faggot devs that can't shut the fuck up about how much they hate gamers while milking them with jewish tricks is good, actually. Get absolutely FUCKED.

>>714572013
found the antisemite doubting his corporate overlords. citizenship has been revoked

>>714560206 (OP)
I have more then 2 functioning neurons

>>714569408
why are you posting something that puts him in a positive light though?

>>714572013
>corpos should be allowed to implement whatever predatory money churning scam they can concoct, it's free market
either it's peak contrarianism or pure ignorance, usually the people thinking like you don't work for a living.

>>714571503
They directly benefit from the whole GaaS business model existing in the grayzone.
Even if the only thing SKG accomplishes is forcing stores to have a big notice saying "this game dies after X date" it's gonna be an improvement.

>>714572108
>Pic
Lmao
Land of the free, you don't get your citizenship revoked for wrongthink in my 3rd world country.

>>714560631
Yeah well maybe if we had this sort of regulation for (you) your brain would both still work and still recieve updates from the rest of your body. As you're clearly unable to process what your eyes see if you think "STILL KEEP GETTING UPDATES!" was mentioned anywhere in relation to SKG.

>>714560206 (OP)
OP, you are a braindead nigger faggot.

>>714560631
>I really don't get that whole initiative.
because you're retarded

>>714560206 (OP)
>NOOO YOU MUST LET ME RENDER YOUR SHIT UNUSABLE WHENEVER I FEEL LIKE!!!
Why are you like this?

>>714560206 (OP)
>REGULATION IS ACTUALLY A GOOD THING!!!
Yes.

>>714572356
>in a positive light
>unreliable and utterly corrupt dictator who tries to sniff last penny out of everyone
>positive light

>>714571653
they are paid shills

>>714577850
Someone has to make the call eventually to either tax everyone to death or cut down government services to the bare minimum. Of course you'd hope they'd kick the can again until you're dead or something.

>>714560631
Hello maldavius, still "working" on this game of yours?

>>714570379
Nothing in the initiative would force devs to keep running online servers and sustain them till the heat death of the universe retard, that would be up to the players to make their own

The kike spam against this alone would have made me support it with no further information needed.

>>714560427
truth
>>714560383
>>714560976
>>714568532
Regulation is also DEI and it's also not hiring women in favor of male employees. It's being forced to be compliant with climate-friendly designs that hold back computer technology even though Climate Change isn't man-made and the politicians were always lying to gain power from it.
You're advocating for the same things you hate about video games by asking for another EU Regulatory programme.

>>714583040
If this is trolling, you should be ashamed of how shitty and unfunny it is. If it's genuine, you should commit suicide.

>>714560631
>I'd bet $99999999 trillion dollars
The largest number in the universe anon could think of.

>>714583040
So since bad laws exist, all laws are bad, and murder and rape should be legal?

>>714583324
More would be an integer overflow.

>>714560206 (OP)
Libertarians who sold you the free market meme forgot that nefarious people exist. Large industries need regulation or convenient malicious practices will always be an issue.

>>714584725
It's more like libertarians are completely bugfuck paranoid that regulation of operation will inherently equal regulation of opinion. All regulation must be bad, because regulation of opinion is bad.
It's basically like trying to insist that car seatbelts make you support racemixing.

>>714584083
That's why man invented words.
99.99~ quintillion or 0.99~ sextillion would have worked.