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Without blaming russia, what went wrong?
>>714560287 (OP)good game released too soon
Rushed release, needed more time
Patches have only started to try fix all the classic stalker shit like a-life
It's the bannerlord of stalker
>>714560287 (OP)Unreal Engine 5. Devs could have stuck with UE4 but nope, we have to OOPGRADE and have the shiniest shittiest latest engine otherwise players will not like the game.
>>714560552>>714560537>too soon>after 5 delaysHOLY. FUCKING. COPE.
the game was in development since 2018, they already had all the ideas, it was not a new IP. All they had to do was make the same game from 2007 but in a new engine and 7 years is not enough? fuck off.
shouldn't have lied to the players
2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjDMwsbaSd8
2024
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dHmayETd4c
Now Iโve read the original story I realise how shit these games are conceptually. I know they had to make it an active videogame but the original Zone is strange and terrifying
>>714560287 (OP)Good ol' eastern european tradition of lying before release
The original stalker was a lightning in a bottle moment that was not popular outside of Russia and Ukraine up until the recent years i.e. Anomaly/Gamma which are barely the same game
>>714560552>It's the bannerlord of stalkerIt's a fantastic comparison (shitty sequel for a modded classic) except both came out after like a trillion delays and many-many years past the series' peak
>>714560287 (OP)They added femoid characters all over the place.
The first game was homoerotic kino without a single femoid to ruin everything.
They went woke for the second.
>>714561143let's be honest, original stalker had its own issues when it came out too
>>714561213At least you can give that one woman the boot in favor of Beard/Sultan. I enjoyed doing that very much.
>>714561051what original story? roadside picnic?
Reminder that the initial release date was for 2021.
>>714561518original stalker had soul, and most of us were quite young so there was a lot of magic to the game. and then modders started unlocking all sorts of cut content and added it back in which was cool as fuck
>>714561723Also reminder there's not a single non-reskinned 9x19mm handgun in the entire game.
>>714561068>was not popular outside of Russia and Ukraineit was popular in all slavic countires
>>714561769>when you are younger shitty thing is more magical than new shitty thing when you are older
>you need mods for fucking night vis and binos
Lol
I'm going back to Goldsphere!
>>714561834it was popular around the world, thanx to reddit and 4chins Slavic spamming about the game (same with older witchers)
>>714560287 (OP)I know scoped weapons were quite useful in the OG trilogy but they feel almost mandatory now. The lack of visual clarity is jarring and the game relies on "end of the game horde of humans" fights every few hours or so it gets draining fast. Getting pinpoint shot by a guy half a mile away that's obscured by a bunch of foliage while learning out a doorway is ass too. I'm still trying to beat the game for the sake of it but I've lost a lot of steam after SIRCAA. I was enjoying it a lot more before that.
>>714560287 (OP)it was a scam from the beginning. thankfully the Russian hack exposed the scam, otherwise I would've bought it on release and scammed like a retard
>>714560287 (OP)Trying to take their cake and eat it too. I mean being 'slavshit', while disassociating from russia. It's just not possible
>>714561708Yes, stalker concept is so boring in comparison. Nuclear wasteland stuff is so played out and the game does nothing interesting with the setting
>>714560287 (OP)The fact everything turns to dust after using it for 2 seconds and then it costing your dick and balls to fix it but then there be nothing to spend your money on beyond fixing your guns/equipment made with the shittiest Russian pig steel ever made.
>>714560287 (OP)>without blaming russiaYou really don't have to blame pyccka. They should have had a finished game on their hands by the time the invasion began.
The problem is UE5 and how modern devs disassociate from gamers. The game is smeared, blurry, and runs like shit. (the hardware survey continues to show that most people use 60 tier cards, on which this would be especially true).
It's a shame because GSC did some really cool black magic voodoo shit with their old engine.
>>714563078What bothers me the most is that the repair cost of more expensive equipment goes up by a ton if you heavily upgrade it, such a dumb mechanic.
>>714562109man's brain is practically 100% dead gray matter after all those emissions, how did you expect him to behave
if he ever left the ะทoะฝa he'd get a 1st class transport straight to the nearest looney bin
I just came here to say I like Misery a lot and the Groza you get from Nimble is one of the best guns in the mod
>>714560287 (OP)>Without blaming russiaImpossible for ukrainians, blamming russia is their raison d'รชtre
>>714563409the 5.45 version?
>>714563498no, in Misery it's in 7.62x39, you can get 5.45 Grozas from traders or dead stalkers but they're not as good as the 7.62 one
>>714563610also, another pretty good gun in Misery is the SKS, you can even convert it to 7.62x54R
the originals weren't good, they only got popular thanks to mods
now that the rose tinted glasses are off and zoomers can't hide behind their nonstop "sovl" buzzword spam they realize how the series really is
>>714563409Misery is dogshit kill yourself
Well I think the originals are good anyway :)
>>714560287 (OP)100m console sandbox
>>714562045>The lack of visual clarity is jarringYeah, almost every stalker looks the same regardless of which faction they're in, combine that with the lack of binoculars and the microscopic 'sandbox'
>>714564494 where things despawn once they're 100 meters away and it's a recipe for a bad experience. Honestly I could rant for a while about STALKER 2, there are so many fundamentally bad game design decisions that were made.
>>714564731>Honestly I could rant for a while about STALKER 2, there are so many fundamentally bad game design decisions that were made.go on then.
I'd like your insight.
>>714560287 (OP)the only thing that went wrong is that conditioning every normalfag on earth to fellate (everything ukraine) prevented this lame ass game from getting the backlash it deserved
Its made for an Xbox console
>>714564802Pretty much everything is stacked against you but not in a way that makes overcoming those odds rewarding.
>artifacts are still boring and sell for very little>side quests are few and far between and generally aren't worth doing>weapons and armour are prohibitively expensive to repair and they'll get their durability chewed through far too quickly>utterly nonsensical balancing regarding weapons and ammo types, the starting pistol is better than most mid-game assault rifles>if you actually want to do damage in the late game, you'll need AP ammo which further increases weapon degredation>jarring overuse of bloodsuckers, seriously they're more common than boars and fleshes>lost to le zone xD death counter>mutants in general are massive bullet sponges that only serve as an equipment and condition tax>most of the late game is just walking between objectives kilometers apart from each other, as the game starts to take fast travel spots away from you for some fucking reason
>>714565039>fellate (everything ukraine)I still can't get over the fact that in some bars if you try to order Moscow mule you get a lecture on how it's Kyiv mule now and that supporting Russia (by ordering Moscow mule) is bad.
performance fixes FUCKING WHENNNNNNN
>>714565497Never. You will use the framegen and upscaling and you will like it.
Russia has nothing to do with it, it's the good old
>devs want to make a hyped up product so they use an established franchise without know what made it good in the first place and following the current trends
it's not just gaming industry that it happens in, just look at Star Wars
>>714565534i hate input lag
>>714565947I hate ghosting more than input lag
>>714566025no framegen introduces an insane amount of input lag
fuck ghosting
that shit is barely noticeable
>>714565298The bloodsucker thing is really annoying. I think you encounter at least 6-7 bloodsuckers throughout the missions and in the wild their spawn rate seems fucked up too. They are such a bitch to fight as well, the devs really let their status as "the stalker mutant" get into their heads and made them mini bosses because they are so epic and scary.
>>714565298>>artifacts are still boring and sell for very littlei was disappointed with og stalker and had hopes stalker 2 could easily manage to improve it, they somehow made it worse
i could say this for so many things of the game. side quests, healing mechanic, stale walking towards objectives, being constantly handheld by being an important guy in a big plot
So uh... Project silverfish
>>714566312>scalie early access game is a better STALKER game than STALKER 2Grim
the devs wanted to make SOC2 so bad, but for some reason they put it into vast open world with nothing in between
>>714566312>>714566391Theres so many things wrong with that game or how it compares to stalker. its existence doesnt make sense
>A pure furry game that has actually unironically nice gameplay that holds up on its own instead of being mediocre and carried by the character design>>Nobody even really gives a shit about the characters>EA but more fleshed out than its competitors>No hands, somehow more atmospheric than its competitors >Its entire concept is stalker word-for-word, down to the anomalies, underground labs and characters literally named stalkers. Unlike every other copycat/uninspired clone on earth, its outright better in what it rips off instead of a directly worse version>Has provocative pronounshit in character creation as a troll, isnt accompanied by the entire game being mediocre garbageIt pretty much breaks all the pre established patterns about these topics
>>714560287 (OP)the stalker fanbase just isn't that large, it would never have a fervent reception like something like a monster hunter or a witcher
>>714560287 (OP)>Without blaming russiawhy even hohol then?
that's the whole point
>>714566816nonsensical take
they pulled a ton of marketing budget and the ukraine factor had all normalfags on earth with the eyes on it. Stalker 2 never depended on the stalker audience/demographic as 95%+ of its buyers never played a stalker game before. game was so mediocre that it failed to have lasting power even with the ukraine bonus
>>714560552>It's the bannerlord of stalkerbasically this
the first game was better
>>714560287 (OP)>Without blaming russiaI thought it was alright so i can't blame Russia. They're too busy making shit games like Atomic Heart in which reviewers on steam unironically congratulate positive reviews with 'comrade' or other soviet style agitprop like Squad 22 ZOV. But in all seriousness i didn't mind the game, but it seemed a little too much in the Far Cry direction in some ways and didn't feel true enough to STALKER would be my complaints. And for what it's worth it was better than Atomfall. The performance on the other hand is something that we'll all talk about being terrible, but that's just how this generation will be on Unreal Engine 5. Perhaps they should have used inhouse engine, would it have changed much? slavs can't optimize anything to save their lives.
>>714567080bannerlord wasn't nearly as broken
>>714566312I've heard mixed things, does it have an equivalent to A-Life? The art style just looks like the usual 'furry in tacticool attire' in game format, albeit mostly inoffensive. But given all the buzz around open world shit these days I'm surprised that more don't really try their hand at a Stalker clone.
>>714567012marketing doesn't magically make people buy your game
Alan Wake 2 got shilled by every game con and got glazed by journalist yet they're just scraping by revenue wise, Minds Eye got multiple trailers but no one wanted to play a non-functional GTA clone
>ukraine bonusbro, no one cares
>>714565039normalfags don't play stalker
some trannies probably do though I guess
>>714567240>bro, no one caresyou underestimate how many westaboo eastern Europeans there are. they will literally eat shit (support Ukraine) to spite Russia
>>714563337>It's a shame because GSC did some really cool black magic voodoo shit with their old engine.The engine had many issues as well, especially before the fan patches. But fucking hell, upgrading my GPU for STALKER SoC was really worth it back then.
The lighting effects were amazing.
I just reinstalled after the latest patch (played 7 hours at launch and dropped it in disgust). I'm not far in enough to judge the updates to A-Life, but performance still sucks. I have a 7800X3D and a 4080 Super and the game still feels rough and doesn't run as well as it should. And they've actually introduced new bugs, like NPCs flying away if you kill them with a headshot. Good luck finding their corpse to loot after they blast off into the sky.
>>714567521>their corpse to lootoh no, you'll miss out on the vodka bottle, 1 medkit and 18 bullets
Off the top of my head as someone who finished it when it first came out
>Performance is shit, looks like shit and generally buggy as hell
>Open world is one of the worst designed ones in recent years. Completely samey procgen fields and forests littered with scattered points of interest just placed haphazardly all over. No real sight lines or sense of discovery as most exploration boils down to running from point a to point b with nothing to look at or do
>Combat is horrible, AI is dumb as hell but also cheats with insane accuracy so you just have to tank damage from bullet sponge enemies that can snipe you from far enough away that you can't really see them since the games visuals are so muddy
>Horrendous economy and progression, way too easy to stumble upon really good gear, stashes are always there even if you didn't pick up a hint for it so you'll just constantly be swimming in supplies and food that you don't need. Armor costs too much to repair if you upgrade so it's better to never interact with upgrades
>Less features than the old games, there wasn't a life on launch, no idea how it's implemented now but the system they had before was the worst possible implementation where enemies blatantly spawn right behind you from nowhere
>Story is pretty okay as far as a STALKER game goes but a lot of the old factions got shafted without having any real involvement with the plot
>The open world is so big but the amount of loot is about the same as the old game so the reward for exploration is vodka and bandages 99% of the time
>Mutants like chimeras and pseudo giants have way too much health for their own good making them a slog to fight
>Speaking of mutants there's only like 1 or 2 new ones compared to the old game which is pathetic
There's plenty more but those are my main gripes, the biggest problem really is that economy and open world they're just so fucking horrible and huge for no reason and have no substance.
>>714567174>does it have an equivalent to A-Life?ive heard theres interesting multi-way firefights across factions, you can do shit like shoot loud guns to lure mutants, etc
i cant confirm it until i play it though
>>714567360>normalfags don't play stalkerthey are 90% of stalker 2's buyers at the lowest
>>714560287 (OP)why are you pidorashkas so ass mad about stalker 2. you can still get it and learn ukranian if you want slavic voice over
>>714568730but I want a russian voice over
>>714568730>mad about this pile of shitI laughed
>>714560287 (OP)>Sergei kicked all of the original GSC out, canceled STALKER 2 project back in 2012, kept the IP hostage, bought 2 new Ferraris, hired Westoid fuckers + Sweet Baby Inc to design a brand new Stalker 2, in Unreal 5, and started shilling paid DLC, NFTs and battle passes 5 years prior the release, ultimately releasing a broken, fugly, barebones parody of all things Stalker mixed with UbishitAdd the cashgrab spite "remasters" to this list.
>>714567446former soviet puppet states want nothing to do with russia? gee, I wonder why!
>>714567646Bear in mind I just started over on the hardest difficulty. I actually was scrambling for vodka to combat radiation. Either way, as silly and entertaining a bug as it is, it is immersion breaking if nothing else.
>>714568730>why are you pidorashkas so ass mad about stalker 2it isn't gamma HD
>>714566312furcells I kneel.
>>714568172>cards not optimized for 720p+>I-IT'S NOT UE'S FA-AAAACK!!
>>714568730Ukrainian language is unintentionally one of the funniest things ever and I can't take any media seriously when it's in ukrainian.
>>714569626>posts metroInteresting choice
Sergei applied his tricks again.
>>714560287 (OP)Microsoft and Westoid consultant,
plus GenZ devs using UE5.
>>7145608297 years with bad ideas ? Yes, it can derails the whole thing
I've got no idea what they were smoking because it was an absolute shitshow on release. I tried it after 1.5 and it is competent enough.
>Exploration
Yeah, you have a lot of stashes with nothing but vodka and bandages, but you also get unique stuff like upgrades, guns, or armor if you actually explore.
>Combat
You are supposed to headshot human enemies, which I enjoy, but yeah, it can get annoying if you don't. Also, there is no exosuit spam endgame anymore.
Mutants are no longer bullet sponges and now there's a purpose now with mutant loot.
>Economy
Endgame loot is not walled off but you have to earn far more money than early/midgame to actually use it consistently. I think it's a good decision.
Not a bad game at all, the systems are all there now. The exact values you might want to tweak but there are mods for that. I'd compare this game to Oblivion, if anything. Modding is arguably highly encouraged, but you don't need to mod a lot.
>>714566312Project Silverfish and Into the Radius are the only decent STALKER clones imo. Tunguska: The Visitation ain't bad but perspective not being first person changes things too much. But yeah Silverfish just sort of came out of nowhere and is actually pretty competent for what it is.
>>714560287 (OP)the dev's country entered a war
It was developed to run on an Xbox Series S, rather than high-end PCs (where the actual STALKER audience is).
The Xbox Series S and it's consequences have been a disaster for the gaming race.
>>714570732Is Lumen SW ray tracing?
>>714574282just kill yourself, please
>>714560552>It's the bannerlord of stalkerWhat a shame
>>714560552>It's the bannerlord of stalkerMore like DD2. Bannerlord's disappointment is immeasurable
>>714562861I've read roadside picnic and watched Stalker and the Zone is far more scarier in the games. Also, this isn't a nuclear wasteland... It uses the nuclear incident as the inciting incident for the zone
>>714560287 (OP)it's so unfinished and so janky that it goes far beyond basic slavjank. when they make 5 hour long retrospectives in a couple of years, only then the game might be done.
Shadow of Chernobyl was just one of those things that was a product of its time. Not even the direct sequels captured the same feeling of it.
>>714561068Stalker was always popular with PC gamers. Analmeme is the result of 13 years worth of modding.