Thread 714569103

The Quadrilogy of Capekino.
Still the best superhero games ever made
Completely blows Spider-Man DEI shite out of the water (not a high bar I know)

>Quadrilogy
There were only 3 games.

I LIEK CHOCOLATE MILK

>>714569252
Never happened.

>>714569252
HOLY BASED

>>714569103 (OP)
Combat in the Arkham games is so fucking satisfying and impactful
Even the stealth is good
Now compare that to the Spider-Man games where you have a pitiful combat kit even when maxed out, and the stealth is 99% getting all the enemies from above, with no nuance or level design whatsoever

>>714569103 (OP)
Correct. Spiderman 1 was good. Kilometres Morales was a goodie-two-shoes whitewashing of Harlem life, and Spider-man 2 was some of the worst writing and dialog ever in a videogame. The writers were sociopaths that hated Peter for existing and shit on him constantly for no reason.

Honestly Batman wins because of the control scheme. The control schemes in the Batman games were so tight (and better with each one) that it was excellent on controller or K+M.

>>714569103 (OP)
I found Arkham Knight comical with how often the solution to every puzzle was remote control the batmobile. Like the main quest half the puzzles were just "how will batman get out of this one" and the answer is almost always "he remote controls the batmobile to solve it for himself" they were really proud of the batmobile, yet for traversal grappling and gliding was always superior so it was like they were trying really hard to justify the batmobile's existence after giving batman a much easier way to get around in Arkham City.

>>714569252
best in the series objectively.

Such soul...

Batman is the only good capeshit so it checks out.

>>714569625
>>714570625
Why is it so polarising?

>>714570721
The OG rotussy

>>714570721
It sucked on release, so there's a lot of people who've never given it a proper chance.
But Arkham Origins is a really good fucking game. 8.5/10 at least, WITH all the bugs included.

>>714569970
fuck the fighting - how do you pretend a guy looking like the roof of an ambulance can be stealthy?

>>714569103 (OP)
>Arkham's combat has been copied bazillion times yet it still has never been surpassed
>Masterful atmosphere
>Impeccable compact open world design where you actually have to explore to find the side content, listen to the thugs conversations and such
>Even the games prior to Knight still hold up graphically, UE3 just mogs
>Games made at a time where making comically hot women was still seen as cool
We didn't know how good we had it

>>714570721
>not made by the same devs
>no kevin conroy as batman
>map is smaller than arkham asylum
>villain is le joker... again
yeah it kinda sucked.

pirate or buy?

>>714571130
The 4 games with all their DLCs are 9 or so bucks right now on Steam
It's already a fucking robbery at that price, and well worth it

>>714571102
Nigga, please

>>714569103 (OP)
Spider-Man was never going to be as good. Insomniac never made a game more than an 8/10 and the notes given from Snoy are useless.
These are absolutely based games, and you can tell they're inspired by Metroid and Zelda rather than AAA slop (prior to Arkham Knight at least). A mad shame what happened to Rocksteady afterwards but it was already going wrong around Arkham Knight as they made policy changes in the company that prevented Paul Dini from reprising his writer-credit, and the lead designer of the first 2 games got Amy Hennig'd and ended up working on story and bosses for Halo Infinite instead. You'll notice Halo Infinite does the same thing as Joker/Hugo/Scarecrow with "bosses" talking down to the player as you keep playing. It also has very 1-on-1 Boss encounters and Zelda-like "puzzle solved" sounds.

Paul Crocker is the true sauce behind these games, and his absence is felt in Knight with the complete lack of boss battles and misplaced emphasis on the car.

>>714571114
>map is smaller than arkham asylum
This is just an objective lie

>>714571282
This ain't it chief
the Nemesis System where enemies remember you and you organically create your villains is great, but I wouldn't say the combat is particularly better

>>714571282
me on the right

>>714571282
Freeflow combat feels better with punches than it does with swords.

>>714569252
If you count this dogshit you may as well count Blackgate too.

>>714570721
It was pretty bugged at release from what I remember but even playing it last year I still manged to fall through the ground once or twice. The one thing I remember from back then is that there wasn't as much input buffering and it was easier to fuck up your combos, but that's really not the case anymore. So either I was just retarded or they patched that at some point. Otherwise, it was just City, but with slightly downgraded tools because it's "the beginning" which does kinda feel cheap.
But at the very least it had something resembling boss fights.

>>714571338
maybe, but you can't deny that asylum feels a lot bigger compared to origins which is literally
>big city area
>bridge
>small city area

>>714569103 (OP)
Not even a big fan of Batman but I love these games
I imagine if you're a die hard Batman fan, the Arkham games must feel like an out of body experience

It's crazy how good Arkham Knight still looks.

>>714571370
gameplay was subjectively better - fighting a whole army with different skills, parries, finishers, magic & other weapons (including spiders lol) left me more satisfying way better than Batmans "press button for awesome"
Don't get me wrong, I love both franchises, but batman cant freerun up a wall, jump off it, headshot 3 uruks mid-air then cut another monster in half before fighting the gang leader. Sure, they changed gliding with climbing, but I liked the stealth more too.
We're not even talking about Nemesis, which turns the whole of Mordor into Pokemon ;dd

>>714571819
Play it at 4k 60fps, everything cranked to Ultra settings
It's absolutely wonderful, 10 years old game btw

which arkham babe giveth the best head?

>>714572402
harley if you like it completely and utterly sloppy
poison ivy if you like it slow and sensual
catwoman if you like cock and ball torture
batgirl if you like it timid and inexperienced

Press a button, Batman jumps across the room and punches a guy.
Bravo!!

>>714569156
You're right, Arkham Tank Simulator doesn't count.

>>714572402
Catwoman doesn't fellate. She demands pussy licks or you get nothing.

>>714572585
I love video games :D

>>714572731
>>714572735
I hate reddit fags so much.

>>714571768
I've been a Batman fan since even before the 1989 movie. I would get up at 6 am every morning to watch the '60s show. Then came TAS which is still my favorite Batman media besides The Dark Knight Returns graphic novel. The Arkham series to me is basically the spiritual successor to TAS and is the first time in any game that I actually felt like I was the god damn Batman. For a fan like me they're based beyond all measure.

>>714573048
boomboom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7GWGLkPepU
Once in a while I need to rewatch this scene
Oh what could have been..

>>714569103 (OP)
I keep forgetting how beautiful Arkham Knight is
Wonder why they never made a spinoff with Nightwing in the same style. I'm not counting arkham knights

>>714573193
Pure Snyder kino.

>>714569252
I hated this game so much the first time I played it but somehow I came to love it. It gets better on each play through.

>>714573764
It's the only Arkham game with decent boss fights

>>714574019
uh oh
shouldn't have said this...

>>714574019
Asylum had a few memorable boss fights even if they weren't especially deep.

>>714574019
I mean many of the boss fights in Origin are glorified quick time events, except for your first fight with Bane
Asylum had better boss fights in my opinion

>>714571703
>make up complete bullshit
>that’s not true
>yeah but it FEELS smaller
Jesus Christ, how fucking retarded can you possibly be?

i'd like a John Wick game with bamham combat

>>714569103 (OP)
I still want a Batman Beyond game. They kept putting the Beyond Suit in the games, but ever since Arkham City went openworld I've imagined flying around 2039 Gotham. I was hoping that's where they'd go after Arkham Knight, instead we only got utter trash since then.

I still can't believe this was made by Rocksteady. How did the same people who made Arkham Knight make something this bad?

WB SUITS ARE THE DUMBEST NIGGER MONKEYS

>>714577489
they fell to the woke mind virus, and publisher directives made them restart it 3 times

>>714569103 (OP)
>>714569970
The only thing I like about the Spider-Man games is that Spidey doesn't rubberband across infinite distance to hit people. That shit looked stupid in Bamham. In Spider-Man, if a guy is too far away to punch, you either websling to him or use a gadget. That's how Bamham should have been as well. You're out of punching range? Throw gadgets, use the game's gap closer moves, or drop the combo.

>>714577489
It wasn't the same people
All the talent that brought us the Batman Arkham games were already long gone at that point

>>714569103 (OP)
Not only is it one of the best quadrilogies in video game capekino, it's also one of the best cape stories overall—far better than anything the MCU, DCU, or even Nolan have produced.

Also, Arkham Origins is underrated, and I'm tired of pretending it's not kino.

Blast radius increased by 1000%

>>714578201
I unironically enjoy the rubberbanding in Arkham
Makes the combat smooth as fuck
Funnily enough I feel more agile in Batman than in the Spider-Man games
It's utterly retarded how in the Spider-Man games you can only ever dodge
They did add a parry move in SM2 but it feels really awkward
It makes it seem like Spider-Man is some kind of glass cannon
He has enough strength to stop a punch or even a fucking car without effort and is extremely agile, they should have just 100% copied Arkham Knight combat honestly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzXWBIEpQr0

favourite skins? I always liked the year one and returns ones from city, the modded ones in knight are top tier as well.

>>714581220
Too lazy to get a pic, Asylum's armoured costume you unlock for challenges.
For the rest I mainly use the base ones because those ones have the armour damage on them and I love that
For AK I use the costume that looks high tech + chin covered. AK feels like a very high tech game, chin being exposed just feels retarded in it

>>714569103 (OP)
Insomniac could never

>>714569103 (OP)
There isn't a single game that understands it's combat and has replicated it properly. It's truly amazing, even stealth in this game is really fucking fun.

It's like lightning in a bottle, that they then refined into diamonds with the sequels.

Never played the last one, was it better than the other two? I was kinda concerned about the more "open world" aspect and everyone complaining about the batmobile. Don't really care about superheroes but I remember the first two being good fun so might just get them since they're £6.

>>714583672
Knight is good, batmobile is ok

Why does /v/ hate the batmobile?

I was very pleasantly surprised with how well it controlled. I guess I get the argument that the game focused on it too much, but they kind of ran out of ideas after the first 3 games.

>>714569970
Spidey games combat is actually good, you just aren't supposed to approach it exactly like BamHam (wow who would've guessed!).

Spideys rewards movement the most and smart use of gadgets. Enemies in spidey take a a LOT of hits but get instant KO'd when webbed up and throwing into the environment, that's where the combat is meant to come together. Get enemies webbed then either find a way to throw them into something or use them as a weapon for crowd control, gadgets feed into this by either allowing you to web several enemies quickly or give you strong crowd control that can send enemies into walls and all that. You then use your instant takedowns to refill gadgets. I haven't played 2 yet to know if the cooldown abilities add more to the combat or make it too easy tho.

It's a satisfying gameplay loop when you get good at it and I really like how spidey has a consistent moveset and you can do stuff like launch enemies. BamHam is definitely the peak but batman doesn't have consistent melee attacks, outside of canned followups like after a stun or w/e which usually exist purely to counter specific enemies.

>>714583672
The open world aspect in the Arkham games is great because there isn't a whole lot of ubisoft icon on the map, usually you just overhear some thugs talking about a side activity and you organically find said side activities like this, it's really inviting
The Batmobile criticism is overblown, there is a lot of it yes, but it's not like it plays like utter shit, actually it's super fun to control, great thing is how you can ram through a lot of the decor with it, you can shatter pillars, street furniture and so on, it feels powerful

>>714571909
>than Batmans "press button for awesome"
You don't understand bamham combat if you think that's what the combat is

I'm playing City for the first time, i've only played Asylum right before this.

Why the FUCK did they get rid of hard mode removing counter symbols?? I had no trouble playing Asylum for the first time with the symbols removed and I loved it. I learned that in city and knight the only way to get rid of them (without modding) is NG+, why the fuck? I know city has a bit more going on with counters, like multi-counters, bladed enemies, and certain encounterable stuff but that shit is all consistent so it just seems odd to me. Is there something i'm missing or is it okay if I mod it out?

>>714581220
1970’s blue cowl is my go to but TAS suit is my favorite in City

>>714583426
As much as I really don’t care for the combat in these games, I have to admit that literally every other game that has it, from Mad Max to Shadow of Mordor to Spider-man 2018, none of them manage to replicate it well and get incredibly simple and basic things wrong that the Asylum games had already figured out years before, and that’s including the stealth in those games.

>>714583812
I actually loved the tagteam mechanic they set up in the side missions and with the gimmick of the game would have revolved around it instead of designating the left bumper to the Batmobile.

>>714576075
>>714576242
You guys are smoking crack, go back and play those games. The boss fights are easily the worst part of the entire game.
>Bane is just a tutorial for titan enemies (which suck major ass)
>Scarecrow sections are really unfun "run forward and wait" segments, with a handful of basic fights
>Croc is a shitty "exploration" + occasional react and throw batarang walking segment
>Ivy 1 is just really basic dodge and throw batarang like bane but with even less skill
>Ivy 2 is actually a decent challenge that combines the great combat with decent stage hazards, the only good boss in the game
>Joker is like Ivy 2 except exceptionally easier and lasts half as long

>>714584572
The combat is unironically better than other action games.
It's an evolution of the beat em up genre and you could go even further by adding a jump button and a bit more inspiration from bmup enemy design.

The game tests reactions, crowd control, resource management, and positioning. It's easy to look at the combat and go "but he's just zipping across the entire room and counters!!!!" and not understand just how deadly enemies are when they're all grouped up or how slow it takes to kill enemies without utilizing your whole moveset

>>714585091
>The combat is unironically better than other action games

>>714585482
Other action games don't have as hard of an emphasis on CC and good reactions. The closest you have would be something like god hand which is obviously inspired by beat em ups but god hand is very stiff on purpose and doesn't have you fight as large of crowds.

>>714580810
I felt the opposite. The appeal of Batman is that he's human. He can't literally fly. The infinite toolbox he's got on his belt is meant to compensate for this. There are so many situations where the freeflow combat mechanic bails you out of having to smartly chain gadgets together to keep your combo alive. You should be forced to do that. That's what Batman is all about.

>>714569103 (OP)
Story was pretty fucking dumb all around
>Joker’s master plan to take steroids
>Keeping Protocol 10 a secret to the player only for the reveal to just be “dude let’s kill all the prisoners lmao”
>Ra’s Al Ghul being revealed as the master mind after we already kicked his ass two hours earlier (we don’t even get another boss fight out of it)
>Bruce allegedly still giving the cure to Joker after all the shit he put him through
>Trying to pretend the Arkham Knight wasn’t obviously Jason Todd

>Games have a dedicated fear mechanic
Love when games have that
It really sells the power fantasy, being able to toy with enemies and making them lose their shit and cower in fear
I liked Ghost of Tushima for that reason too, basically Batman but feudal Japan

>>714577489
execs wanted their specific Product™ and any devs in the studio who didn't capitulate were ousted.

Serious question, is Origins worth to play?

Think Knight's gonna get a proper Switch 2 port?

>>714586203
Yes

>>714569103 (OP)
>spiderman
>bad because dei
I've only played Spider-Man 1 and Miles Morales, but there are a million and one other flaws to those games. Even Miles Morales wasn't particularly "woke" as opposed to safe.

The Batman games were alright but cursed every superhero game with its combat system, as copycats came out of the woodwork. It's functional but braindead as hell, feels less substantial than a gacha.

>>714586203
Combat is jankier than the main trilogy but it captures the “one crazy night” vibe the best

I would kill someone to get a remake of Asylum, City and Origins with Knight's engine

>>714586203
The older I get, the less patience I have with the "durrrr why doesn't Batman kill the jonkler" crowd. Bitch, why doesnt Gordon or any of the 9999999 infamously corrupt cops just shoot him? How come none of his criminal gang rivals have him executed in his cell? How come none of the many people he's hurt just fucking shank him now that he's locked up with them? How come the jury never simply refuses to let him get off on insanity pleas, and why doesn't judge hand him a death penalty? Batman is clearly a very mentally unwell man, and for whatever reason this is a red line for him. But he's already done his part by handing da jokah to literally the entire rest of the criminal justice system, both the official system and the street justice system. Of all the thousands of people involved in these systems, what's their excuse? Hasn't Bamham done enough already?

>>714586203
Yes. Probably the most detective centric game of the series.

>>714585774
Almost all of Arkham’s combat is contextually based and because of how it works has an inherent problem with enemy variety. Almost every other action game requires actual positioning and more direct control of what attacks you preform and where you attack. Look, it’s fine that you like it and all but please don’t pretend it’s anything more than your own personal preference

Hot take: turning off the spider senses should be the default Arkham combat in any difficulty higher than Easy, not a special NG+ mode

>>714586378
I wouldn't expect an MHA fan to understand what made City and Asylum so great.

>>714587346
You can also play with a buttplug to further increase difficulty, why don't you do that?

>>714586203
It’s my favorite but I’m not egotistical enough to say that means it’s the best or anything. It’s got plenty of technical issues and some clunkier mechanical execution but the lower stakes story and more mundane setting of Old Gotham in its prime really vibe with me

>>714569103 (OP)
arkham knight was disappointing overall

>>714587447
I didn't say they sucked. I just recognize that Arkham's combat was such an easy slot in for developers that it held innovation back, AAA had their easy copy paste from that point on. Heck, you even see it in open world RPGs.

>>714586583
bro it's all UE3

>>714587654
To be fair it’s actually Assassin’s Creed’s combat system despite Batman getting all the credit for it, Arkham actually made it somewhat smoother to play. The system was already being copied by every Western AAA studio before Arkham.

>>714587487
Because that doesn't sound fun. Meanwhile turning off the spider senses makes you appreciate the combat in a way that's just impossible otherwise.

>>714587537
I can't see how you'd think this. Knight was a bigger leap forward from City than City was over Asylum.

>>714583426
>>714584572
My favorite bamham combat after Arkham games is Sleeping Dogs.

>>714587970
You mean Sands of Time and Warrior Within.

>>714579721
AI post.

>>714588948
Fair enough

>>714588647
The story in Knight sucked, also I was just sick of finding riddler trophies the third time around.

>>714587346
You still need it for the actual detective stuff.

>>714574019
But they had to break the system to do it

>>714589204
The Riddler trophies in Knight are especially tedious and miserable to collect.

>>714588948
Prince Of persia combat si nothing like asscreed or batman?
You don't counter guarding by contex shit but by jumping over or positioning.

>>714578201
It's fun, but I wonder if it's the most overpowered batman ever (other than some run where he gets superman's powers or something). Like, if you don't know too much about Batman, and you're just on a Batman binge and one of those things you did was the Akrham series, watching or reading anything else it's like "why is this acting like 100 unarmed thugs are a threat?"

>>714588647
Gameplay is better in a lot of ways but the writing of everything is much worse, had they kept Dini it would be an actual 11/10 game

>>714586203
Serious answer, yes. The combat is "jankier" than the other entries but its imperceptibly so until you fight the assassins where their counter timing is unintuitive because double clicking too fast doesn't work but too slow doesn't either. Hard difficulty also simply scales up enemy speed and aggressiveness, which sounds interesting in theory but in practice every thug becomes faster than any of Batman's attacks so combat will devolve into exclusively countering and dodging to build up combos.
Be aware that yes, story is the Joker again, but its not bad for it, people shit on it due to understandable Joker fatigue. Bane is also the fucking best in that game.

At least Origins gets remembered. Now, Blackgate? The short VR? Nobody remembers those.

>>714591095
I feel like every hated Origins on release just because of Joker fatigue and had to come up with additional reasons to hate it because they were already sour on it. Now it’s just a meme to shit on it just to fit in and make it seem like your other opinions have some baseline credibility.

>>714591621
Blackgate is genuinely terrible. It got so fucking tedious moving from point A to point B because you have to pretty much “solve” every room’s traversal over and over and over to get anywhere with annoying shit like having to roll trough spikes positioned throughout a corridor

>>714587537
I agree, but at the same time I was also very impressed with it.
It reminded me of going from Mass Effect 2 to Mass Effect 3, but I wound up liking Arkham Knight way more for what it does unique to City than I did between the Mass Effects.
At the end of the day the combat itself is pretty much as good, if not better in Knight, and the riddler challenges and some of the side-quests are still good. It does have that Ubisofitification of Side-content but at least all of it is done with tons of contextual dialogue, so there's even a rewarding feeling of who you rescue first in the Firefighters quest, and you can also discover Firefly early if you postpone that quest, and hear alternate dialogue by rescuing the Firefighters after the fact.
The game is full of that level of attention to detail and to me it saved it from feeling like slop.

>>714587124
>requires actual positioning
lol, lmao even. Enemy variety also doesn't mean anything if the enemies don't challenge you in an actual interesting way. Having two enemies with different movesets doesn't mean anything if your approach to them is the exact same. Arkham city and knight do a good job mixing in different enemy types that pose different threats you have to think about and different ways to approach them, it's not just spamming the counter button vs every attack.

Ninja Gaiden 1 is a good example of a game with great enemy design on the hardest difficulty, where all of the humans have their own quirks that have you approach them a bit differently in more subtle ways but it's not like that game has a lot going on with the manual control of it's combat compared to later titles but positioning goes as far as being able to single out one target to take him out, as opposed to bamham where you actually have to control a crowd of enemies. In NG1 you're usually only fighting 3 people at a time and then in NG2 the game has a million flaws that make fighting tons of enemies extremely boring

Don't sit here and think you're talking to someone who doesn't play other action games, people romanticize how good they are but bamham unironically has extremely smart combat design that has you solving combat almost like a puzzle and has good reaction tests (especially on NG+ when you remove counter icons)

I feel like I'm the only one who ever brings up challenges in these threads, if you like this franchise's gameplay do the challenges also. You can even use different characters after Asylum(and Asylum had Joker for PS version I think)
Trying to get better at those is actually very fun

You will never see an unreal engine game that looks and runs half as well as the arkham games

>>714592280
That's where the combat shines the most, never bothered with the stealth ones tho

>>714592535
Neither Origins nor Knight ran well at fucking all.

>>714584298
I'd say it's okay to mod out

>>714587660
Yeah, I meant Knight's iteration of UE3

>>714592758
Arkham knight got fixed up a year after its PC release
How many unoptimized UE5 games are playable a year after release?

Best VR game I've played since RE4 VR.

worst bamham game
absolute janky dogshit of the worst kind

>>714592238
>Enemy variety also doesn't mean anything if the enemies don't challenge you in an actual interesting way.
When every enemy variant is just a basic mob that prevents you from attacking until you use a specific ability it’s not necessarily “interesting”, retard.

>lol. lmao even
Yeah, you’re just a retard brainlessly parroting 4 year old buzzword

>>714569103 (OP)
1. Arkham city: the best in every aspect.
2. Knight: many good things and many bad things, but still a good experience and end.
3. Asylum: Great overall but it is a little old (misses many QoL updates from future games) and is very small for better and for worst.
4. Origins: the Joker's voice, uninteresting history and those fucking tube's that obstruct you flying every time, the worst one or the "mid" one

>>714595968
>until you use a specific ability it’s not necessarily “interesting”, retard.
The enemy design of the arkham games makes you think about different ways to approach an enemy. It's not simon says but at the same time you have to think about the approach since the different enemies usually will stop only one or two of the many options you have, if they didn't then there would be nothing interesting about the enemy types.

Great job trying to address a single one of my points and then giving up tho, dipshit.
>inb4 i-it's because you're too dumb and totally not because I have no way to argue with you because im a knuckle dragging mongoloid

>>714590783
The joker stuff was 11/10 in knight tho. yeah, jason and Scarecrow and all that stuff kinda sucked, but Joker was literally perfect.

>>714583426
Honestly, it shows just how well the combat flows that even the VR game which just implemented the normal BamHam combat through motion controls felt amazing. Beating the everloving shit out of people was great, and the stealth was a lot of fun too, though the takedowns were a little awkward.

>>714569103 (OP)
what's your go to suit bros?

>>714598138
modded year one suit, simple as

harley quinn's ASS

>>714586203
Yes but you have to play it during winter (before Christmas) to be properly immersed. The game is set during Christmas Eve, the DLC is on New Year's

Gotta hate how Nvidia kind of ruined these games
The Physx setting makes Arkham City run like absolute fucking dogshit for instance
I have a 9070xt, there's no fucking reason for the game to run as bad as it does for fuck sake, especially since the Physx features actually get displayed properly
Yeah I know, "just disable it", but it's a goddamn shame because those effect look really good, FUCK Jewvidia.

>>714569103 (OP)
bump

>>714569103 (OP)
My favorite will always be Arkham Knight, it just looks way too good, rain effects and all

>>714599996
why are modern devs so afraid of this