Thread 714602642 - /v/ [Archived: 471 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:09:42 PM No.714602642
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Who do some people refuse to play the meta?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:11:10 PM No.714602772
>>714602642 (OP)
Because playing the meta is the same as refusing to play the game.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:12:22 PM No.714602876
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>Gay little strawman scribble reposted 9000 times, completely missing the point of why people really hate metafags
Games get fucking boring if you play the exact same way non-stop
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:12:59 PM No.714602926
losers with self esteem issues try too hard at video games to pretend they have something to be proud of and fill the void of having miserable lives
it's like hipsters who gloat about being okay with shit like tank controls and preferring old games with clunky shit and lack of quality of life improvements
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:13:58 PM No.714603013
>>714602642 (OP)
Because the meta isn't fun. Take Pokรฉmon's meta - you got a Pokรฉmon you like? Better hope it's one of the twenty-seven that are meta-approved, or you're gonna have a shit time against people who all have the exact same team with extremely minute differences.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:14:18 PM No.714603043
>>714602642 (OP)
What if what I'm playing just so happens to be the meta
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:14:39 PM No.714603074
>>714602642 (OP)
With skillbased matchmaking, playing off meta shouldn't be a problem.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:14:45 PM No.714603083
I play in a manner that lets me have fun.
Be it meta or not, the only people crying about not picking meta are those that aren't able to compensate the non-meta picks with their own skill.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:16:29 PM No.714603213
>>714602642 (OP)
Because people just wanna have fun doing their own thing. They bought the game so they should be allowed to do what they want. But, I wont lieโ€ฆ not playing the meta is no different from being anti-conformist and it hurts your team (faggots who only care about winning). It all comes down to being a selfish dick head or being a team player that bows to metafags who only care about winning. The optimal choice depends on your personality
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:17:54 PM No.714603320
>>714602642 (OP)
Depends on the game, but usually because that meta way of playing is a very distinct playstyle and off meta playstyles can offer an alternative or novel form of fun.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:18:39 PM No.714603360
>>714602642 (OP)
fishpole wizard did nothing wrong, all I see is him getting ganked by someone thirty levels higher
how is he supposed to find out how strong the fishpole build becomes if the enemy faction literally won't let him play?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:22:33 PM No.714603665
inb4 umm smogon bans this
inb4 umm smogon bans this
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>>714602642 (OP)
Because I like trolling
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:23:52 PM No.714603768
>>714602642 (OP)
>that pic
zozzle
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:23:58 PM No.714603776
>>714602642 (OP)
>buy game
>entire weapon archetypes are excluded from the meta
>despite paying for them when I bought the game I'm not allowed to play with them because some fag on /v/ said so
Feels bad.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:24:20 PM No.714603804
>>714602642 (OP)
People who actively avoid the meta entirely are special snowflakes who want people to know they arenโ€™t like the average normalfag by playing builds that are beyond not being optimal but just flat out terrible.
>Incineroar with support build? eewww gross. I think Iโ€™ll use Magcargo with Physical attacks only!
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:25:00 PM No.714603848
>>714602642 (OP)
There's a difference between the meta and the best option or even simply a strong build, the meta is just the easiest and most efficient way. It is often either completely overkill for the content and reduces the online gameplay to just matchmaking, or it isn't realistically better in any meaningful way for the average player and people are just whining for no reason about your build choices.
The reality is that people who pick the meta exclusively don't want to engage with the mechanics at all, nor do they want to experiment with them and figure it out themselves. Their goal is nothing more than efficiency and speeding through the gameplay, whether that's for grinding or farming purposes.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:26:12 PM No.714603965
>>714602642 (OP)
He's right, btw.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:26:47 PM No.714604014
>>714603360
>fishpole apologist
Even if he wasn't getting ganked he's just going to be a worse fire wizard. Why would you ever want salmon ball over fire ball?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:31:02 PM No.714604337
>>714602876
>meta
>same way
u wot m8
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:34:34 PM No.714604651
>>714603776
Name one.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:34:38 PM No.714604658
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>>714604014
>he is unaware of salmon ball's synergy with the scroll of gill-otine
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:40:29 PM No.714605192
>>714604337
The meta doesn't change until an update, and when it does everyone just moves on to the new meta and then never changes off that.
Also broadly speaking the meta is roughly the same in most games since DPS > every other playstyle, and developers for some reason love putting damage increasing skills in a game alongside other ones as if anybody is going to use the rest except autists.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:40:51 PM No.714605213
This happened to me back in an IRL MtG group I used to hit up. We played at this laid back hobby store in the town, unsanctioned, just a bunch of regulars coming up with jank, trying out weird brews, winning or losing, nobody really gave a shit. It was comfy.
Then the store signed up to host official tournaments and qualifiers for regionals and nationals and all that sweaty tryhard nonsense. Instantly, the vibe died. The place got flooded with metafags netdecking the same two or three over-optimized snoozefest piles. Every game felt like playing with the same fag, same decks, same lines, same soulless play.
And God help you if you actually beat one of them with your own deck, suddenly itโ€™s a flood of cope
>thatโ€™s not viable
>you got lucky
>I didnโ€™t draw my combo
Nah bro, you just got outplayed by something that wasnโ€™t lifted off a tier list.
Eventually I got tired of the stale meta and the salty manchildren pretending they're pros grinding for glory. Thatโ€™s what finally killed MtG for me.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:43:52 PM No.714605469
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I only see people get mad at off-meta or different builds when they lose and the guy doing it is shit. For the most part it doesn't matter because in any given game most people are so far away from the level where optimum is needed all that matters is who presses buttons first
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:46:31 PM No.714605668
>off meta player sucks dick at game
>blames meta
>meta player sucks dick at game
>blames off meta player
tale as old as time
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:47:03 PM No.714605706
>>714602642 (OP)
experimentation is fun
meta in games only amounts to like a +10% advantage which doesn't matter even in some pro environments and can be made up for with skill
that said meta issues is why only symmetrical multiplayer can be truly competitive
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:47:53 PM No.714605783
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>>714602642 (OP)
Getting spoonfed a build by youtube content creators and twitch shills isn't even playing the game.
Normalfaggot content creators don't even enjoy playing games. They just want to beat it as fast as possible to crank out more clickbait content and move on to the next thing to consoom.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:48:12 PM No.714605806
>>714605668
more like:
>off meta player sucks dick at the game
>he doesnโ€™t give a shit and continues on
>meta player sucks dick at the game
>shits himself horribly and seethes at the off meta player
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:49:07 PM No.714605881
>>714605469
I see people getting mad at off-meta when they have incorrect understanding of the meta and they aren't on the same page as their team. That's usually the problem with off-meta. People aren't on the same page, but there's always two problems when teammates don't see eye to eye.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:53:26 PM No.714606234
Anti-meta is more fun than off-meta. Shitting on tryhards with complete jank perfectly crafted to counter them is peak satisfaction.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:53:36 PM No.714606251
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>>714602642 (OP)
What's the meta for the bratty little lvl 10 creature?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 8:58:42 PM No.714606691
Stop Posting
Stop Posting
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>>714602642 (OP)
>I have drawn you as the wojak and me as the chad
>therefore you are cringe and I am based
Because meta is usually boring as shit.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:01:01 PM No.714606884
>>714602642 (OP)
The meta is without exceptions boring to play.

Not to say that you should gimp yourself, but there are definitely more fun ways to play a game.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:05:31 PM No.714607303
>>714606884
I don't think playing meta is always that boring, but the concept of having a meta is usually extremely boring, this much I agree with
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:05:32 PM No.714607304
>>714604651
I don't think there's a single game with different weapon types that doesn't have that issue. Remember that "viable" and "meta" are not synonyms.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:06:54 PM No.714607417
>>714604658
>don't walk by the pond
>completely invalidates your class choice
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:09:39 PM No.714607645
>>714607303
Every game has a meta even if the game is single player there will always be a meta.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:14:53 PM No.714608103
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>>714607417
>j-just avoid the sightline!
fishpole wizard is the game's proverbial sniper, complete fodder in the hands of an amateur and yet the seethe he creates is just palpable after even one good game against him
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:19:33 PM No.714608442
>>714602642 (OP)
Meta is boring. I'd rather play a gimp.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:20:07 PM No.714608487
>game has trash weapons objectively worse than the starter one
>devs keep adding trash weapons with every update
>sequel has even more trash weapons
why do they keep doing this
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:20:53 PM No.714608548
>>714607645
That conversation is a bit too philosophical for someone who would make that statement. Are ideas real irrespective of people believing in them?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:24:29 PM No.714608854
>>714605806
>playing warframe
>every mission is filled with the current map wiping invincible meta picks
>still somehow end up getting more kills and dps with my shitty meme builds
>frequently get questions about why I'm using some warframes or abilities
Somehow, every time.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:25:26 PM No.714608926
>>714602642 (OP)
My issue with it is
The process of playing a game should be
>get game
>play game
>figure it out
But the process of metafagging a game is
>get game
>watch hours of youtube videos telling you exactly what to do while spoiling the whole story
>alt tab to a spread sheet every couple of seconds during gameplay
Its fucking gay that you're expected to do this shit because people don't want to put in effort if figuring it out themselves so they'll let someone else figure it out to the most min-maxed possible way.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:25:42 PM No.714608945
shitters trying to use the meta but being too retarded to follow it is always hilarious
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:28:36 PM No.714609148
>>714608926
it really depends on the game imo
only MMOs and the likes with low execution skill really go that far because the players "need" to clear the raid 12 times a day out of autism
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:32:30 PM No.714609465
>>714608548
In case you don't know, meta in the context of gaming means Most Effective Tactics Available.

Even in a simple game like pong there will be a meta way to hit the ball
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:34:14 PM No.714609610
I'M A CHUCKSTER
I'M A CHUCKSTER
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>>714607304
>"viable" and "meta" are not synonyms.
too many people think they are
especially wowfaggots
>my class does 2% less dps than another? WTF I'M LITERALLY UNVIABLE BLIZZARD HATES MY CLASS THE DEVS ARE INTENTIONALLY TRYING TO SABOTAGE IT AND FORCE CLASS SWAPS
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:35:20 PM No.714609705
>>714609465
I think you don't understand why the question is relevant.

>Are ideas real irrespective of people believing in them?
I'll go over yes/no
>yes
This is the interesting discussion. Then what is an idea that nobody has discovered yet? It should exists, should it not?

>no
Then how the fuck is there a meta if nobody is actively thinking about it? How is there a meta if nobody believes there's a meta? Pure contradiction to the idea that all games have a meta. The more you think about the meta, the more real it becomes. If you don't about it, it simply doesn't exist.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:36:16 PM No.714609781
>>714609465
Also to add to your post while often it is the case, the meta is not always the strongest build either.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:37:02 PM No.714609845
>>714602642 (OP)
I'm not an autistic person that gets incredibly upset when my current hyperfocus "hobby" isn't being engaged in with extreme efficiency. I've seen metafags go datamining for minutiae and pull out fucking spreadsheets and multipaged essays explaining mechanics in exacting detail without a hint of self awareness for how they look doing so.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:38:19 PM No.714609931
>>714609610
It may be believed by morons but its not the morons who play the class
>wtf my class does 2% less damage?
>now all the metafags will kick me for somebody else and I'll literally not be allowed to do content
>because they want to use the metafag strategy that skips (mechanic) by being 2% faster at dps
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:41:10 PM No.714610176
>>714609705
Playing to win is assumed in a discussion on meta, there is no point to invoking "what if people don't care about winning" in a discussion on meta
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:41:21 PM No.714610194
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I genuinely don't care as long as I'm having fun. If it's fun to follow meta shit? I'll do it. If it's fun to just fuck around in the game? I'll do it. Anybody who plays video games without actually enjoying them and spends any amount of time complaining about other players is, frankly, retarded.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:41:57 PM No.714610246
It's boring.
Nothing to solve; all the work has been done for you.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:42:43 PM No.714610316
>>714609610
my class doing 2% more damage for the same amount of effort as yours means I can make 2% more fuckups and still win. blame blizzard for making every single boss on a time limit because some koreans starved themselves to death trying to beat an MMO boss for 12 hours
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:43:16 PM No.714610365
>>714610176
There's multiple things wrong with what you just said. Are you open to the idea of someone telling you everything wrong with it or do you just want to be correct?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:44:27 PM No.714610465
gotta wonder how many of the "playing meta is always boring" people refuse to play fortnite or roblox
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:44:46 PM No.714610493
>>714610365
Just disagree and give your reason you fucking pseud I don't give a shit
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:45:05 PM No.714610517
>"Wait what do you mean 2 + 2 equals 4? Why not 5? Even tough it's wrong? Why do I have to optimize and git gud? FUCKING META FAAGS REEEEEE"
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:45:17 PM No.714610532
>>714610465
Those are kiddie games
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:45:43 PM No.714610562
>>714610493
I see, you're completely correct.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:47:06 PM No.714610661
>>714610532
>I just want to fuck around and do whatever funny thing I think of instead of playing the same way every time
if you want to play like a child, why not play a children's game?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:48:04 PM No.714610743
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Poor anon didn't know that the meta way to shit on a pseudo-intellectual is to leave him schizo talk alone.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:48:08 PM No.714610751
>>714610661
all video games are for children. there is nothing adult about playing a video game
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:48:09 PM No.714610752
>look I know this is a boxing gym but I just find kicking more fun, ok? don't be a metafag
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:50:11 PM No.714610913
>>714602642 (OP)
If the meta is too oppressive the game is just bad
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:50:56 PM No.714610971
>average DPS needed to win : 40
>average DPS of any normal viable build : 65
>average DPS on a strong build: 90
>meta DPS :123.85
>tryhards screech when you only do 122.46 DPS
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:50:56 PM No.714610972
>>714606884
If a game stops being fun when you play the meta it's a bad game. If your enjoyment of the game requires playing off-meta because you need to feel special you have a personality issue you need to resolve.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:51:36 PM No.714611016
>>714610751
then how is roblox more kiddie then any other game?
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:52:22 PM No.714611063
>>714610752
>the meta way to beat another man is to grapple him in a gay ass pose while on the ground
The meta is gay as fuck, I rather punch and kick is a lot more fun than gay grappling in the ground.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:54:03 PM No.714611180
>>714610972
Take pokemon for example, do you enjoy running the exact same pokemon that everyone else runs, with the exact same sets and using the exact same tactic, while fighting against a team which is exactly the same as yours?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:54:20 PM No.714611214
>>714610752
in this case kicking would be the meta
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:54:25 PM No.714611217
There are variables to this but the blame lies less with "muh metafags" and more often with the devs who put no effort into keeping things decently balanced. Of course striking that balance can be hard but I think for games where the meta can matter it's important.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:54:37 PM No.714611229
>>714610971
key word here is "average". that means those numbers can be a lot lower. I can play the strong/meta build and do half the average because I'm fucking around and still win, while the "normal" build ironically requires me to sweat way more then playing the meta does because I'm only a bit ahead
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:54:50 PM No.714611241
>>714610971
This is something I learned when training AI to play games, and I won't go into detail. They did something quite differently than humans, which made them much, much better.
It's actually a real problem people in MMOs are rarely level-headed about. Take your scenario. Is the meta to maximize the probability to do >40 DPS or to maximize the DPS?
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:54:59 PM No.714611257
who cares its just a game
who cares its just a game
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>>714602642 (OP)
I don't really care about strict metas, but there is a baseline level of performance that should be adhered to in team play
>Champions Online
>world boss Teleiosaurus is open to all players (rather than being tagged by a guild group) whenever it's up
>has a DPS check that requires 10k damage per person in a 5 second window (not a huge number), so the goal of DPS is to do enough to make up for tanks and healers
>if this DPS check is not met, it recovers a shit ton of HP, forcing a "do over" of the previous phase
>this means that bad DPS can prevent the fight from ever finishing
Thus "Dino" is the only world boss that gets abandoned regularly after like 7 failed checks. There are often too many dead weight DPS that do like 400-800, or stay dead pinging "rez me!" during the check so they still add a full 10k to the check amount. They often suck so bad because their builds are thoughtless, which is exacerbated by the freedom the game gives in building characters. And there are indeed viable DPS builds for every powerset. Even something hyper-focused on healing like celestial can still pass the check with proper play and gearing. The worst part? You explain all this to them and they get super pissy instead of trying to improve.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:57:05 PM No.714611449
>>714611180
That doesn't happen because Pokemon is a good game. Even teams that are superficially the same typically have different tera types or EV spreads or what have you.
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 9:59:11 PM No.714611623
>>714611449
>he forgot when talonflame and aegislash were on EVERY meta team
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:00:45 PM No.714611763
>>714611623
not talking about Smogshit
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Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:01:47 PM No.714611856
>>714611763
>not talking about Smogshit
Smogshit IS the meta.
Replies: >>714611930
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:01:57 PM No.714611868
>>714603665
pinche
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:02:22 PM No.714611904
>>714609465
>Most Effective Tactics Available
Where did this dumbass shit originate?
It comes from "metagaming", and has a similar meaning to "metadiscussion", aka discussing about discussions within a certain context. In the case of a game, it's about taking game mechanics/stages/etc. apart to come up with strategies, which might not necessarily be the most universally effective.
It's also used in tabletop RPG for those people who make choices for their characters(or the entire setting if you are the DM) tailored to gameplay, but might clash with the narrative.
Replies: >>714614618
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:02:48 PM No.714611930
>>714611856
Smogon is a fanmade format, it's not related to the actual games.
Replies: >>714612095 >>714612262
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:02:57 PM No.714611940
>>714609465
no it doesnt, the word meta comes from metagaming from the greek meta which means above or beyond something. metagaming because youre going "beyond" the game by using external information to influence your gameplay
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:03:47 PM No.714612002
nigger
nigger
md5: 29a6c2bd3982c21da1b23bc2a5e3fb5b๐Ÿ”
muh meta
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:03:58 PM No.714612015
>>714611229
Well sure but I meant that usually an average decent player will be just fine with his average build.
Like in modern MMOs you usually have a set of quest gear that's good enough to clear the next dungeon until endgame when you start having more flexibility and variability.

>>714611241
I'd say it really depend on the long term goal. If it's simply to clear the dungeon once in as little time as possible, then maximize the probability to do >40 DPS, but if the goal is to clear it as many times as possible then maximizing the DPS becomes more important.
That said IRL people ends up trying to maximize the DPS because they know you can skip boss phases if you do enough damage, and high DPS means faster clears, means you get more use out of expensive buffs and can clear more times before the daily reset and such.
It gets annoying when the meta requires a level of play so high the smallest issue fucks everything up, you wipe and everyone starts getting toxic, instead of just not being such a tryhard and clearing it just fine with a less sweaty tactic.
Replies: >>714612494
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:04:02 PM No.714612025
>off-meta fag constantly fucks up mechanics and does 1/3 of the DPS he could if he actually played his build well
>cries that he got kicked for not playing meta
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:05:06 PM No.714612095
>>714611930
>implying no one plays singles outside of smogon
Replies: >>714612235
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:06:45 PM No.714612235
>>714612095
Smogon Singles Pokemon is a bad game hence I don't play it
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:06:55 PM No.714612245
>>714602642 (OP)
>he's never broken the meta and gotten hundreds of free wins from it
shit strawmen, go suck a cock OP
Replies: >>714612480
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:07:09 PM No.714612262
>>714611930
ok, try to fight a smogonfag with your team of repeated legendary pokemon and get fucked beyond repair because you didn't follow the meta.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:08:49 PM No.714612385
1725223872123772
1725223872123772
md5: 24b5766376eee34eebe21905693da0d5๐Ÿ”
>Bro u don't like playing against the same 2 characters/builds and strategies every single fucking match? Durrr ur a shitter d00d
Replies: >>714612715 >>714613228 >>714614271
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:09:55 PM No.714612480
>>714612245
Rogue/antimeta is a form of metagaming
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:10:03 PM No.714612494
>>714612015
Right, it depends on other instances, too. It's not just that one instance clear you're going for. Maximizing DPS is actually about spending less time on clears.
It doesn't change the underlying problem that you also point out. People don't actually have their eyes on the prize. They expect you to follow the meta when they're not even thinking about winning in the first place. That's an absurd environment.
Replies: >>714612714
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:12:23 PM No.714612678
>>714603013
If you're enough of a faggot to be playing Pokemon PvP anyway then you might as well be a metafag, it's just as bad
Replies: >>714657704
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:12:47 PM No.714612714
>>714612494
>They expect you to follow the meta when they're not even thinking about winning in the first place. That's an absurd environment.

I'm confused what you're trying to say. If you don't want to win they don't want you in the group because you're detrimental to the group's goals.
Replies: >>714612824 >>714613812
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:12:48 PM No.714612715
>>714612385
>Bro u use good strats instead of hippie meme shit? wtf?
Really the fault of devs for being so horrid at balancing game 90% of options are utter garbage
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:14:27 PM No.714612824
>>714612714
You're assuming the group has a goal besides playing the game.
Replies: >>714613486
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:16:09 PM No.714612976
>>714602642 (OP)
this is why I don't play competitive multiplayer games anymore. everyone has minmaxed allt he fun out of them.
Replies: >>714613216
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:18:40 PM No.714613216
>>714612976
multiplayer games in general are for low iq niggers and browns and insecure white troons
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:18:50 PM No.714613228
>>714612385
It has an impact on coop/PVE gameplay as well. With stuff like First Descendant (around release at least) having all the important lobbies/matchmaking filled with map clearing builds that instantly killed everything the second they spawned, meaning you only really got to actually play in solo queue or with friends. Monster Hunter too has fallen into this pitfall with stuff like LBG taking up most of the online playerbase and effectively making the monster die in half the time while all but glitching out. Obviously none of these people are doing anything wrong whatsoever, but this commonplace outlook does have a notable impact on the online experience of most games.
Replies: >>714617443
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:20:05 PM No.714613337
>>714602876
get smashed with a hammer, retard
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:21:37 PM No.714613486
>>714612824
In most games this is a totally reasonable assumption? People generally are pursuing some kind of goal within the game like
>getting rare items
>winning in pvp
>clearing X boss
Replies: >>714613926
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:24:46 PM No.714613778
>>714611241
>Is the meta to maximize the probability to do >40 DPS or to maximize the DPS?
Always the latter, which can and often does lead to people doing stupid things that get them killed.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:25:08 PM No.714613812
>>714612714
An issue I've seen several time is the following
>boss has a wipe mechanic
>this mechanic is easy to deal with but takes some time
>it repeats 3 times over the fight
>if you do the mechanic, you can win with a party DPS of 150, which only requires a reasonable good build you can get from anything relevant at this level
>but if you use every single buffs and tricks in the game and play perfectly, your party can reach 600 dps, which lets you ignore the wipe mechanic, but it actually stacks so by the 3rd one it's crazy death race where the entire group is losing 30% hp a second so the healer can't catch a break and is drinking the expensive mana potions on cooldown, the tank needs to be spamming aggro and interrupts, DPS are sweating so hard it's flooding the arena
>this makes half the classes unviable because they can't heal/tank/DPS enough
>woops you had a lag spike and messed your rotation a bit, causing a party wipe and wasting everyone's consumables
Replies: >>714613929 >>714613975
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:26:26 PM No.714613926
>>714613486
And you assumed I was talking about someone being antithetical to the goals? Clearly, there's a deeper and very convenient assumption there.
Replies: >>714614458
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:26:28 PM No.714613929
>>714613812
But if everyone had played perfectly it would've saved 5 minutes!
Replies: >>714614458
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:27:04 PM No.714613975
>>714613812
woops I accidentaly erased this part
>the tank needs to be spamming aggro and interrupts so he needs a build focused on cooldown reduction, which sucks in any other situation
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:29:44 PM No.714614198
>>714602642 (OP)
Telling the guy that wants to cast spells to put on gear that helps him cast spells isn't metafagging. Wizard is a retard that can't read.
Replies: >>714614642
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:30:39 PM No.714614271
>>714612385
my experience is that in most games the best character/build is also one that can do lots of things good on top of one thing really well, while the lesser characters/builds do one thing pretty good and everything else horrible
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:32:53 PM No.714614458
>>714613929
Ok but if you're doing the dungeon 100 times because there's some 1% drop rate item you want you're saving almost 10 hours.

>>714613926
If we are talking about off-meta players being excluded by meta players then that seems like it's what the convo is about? What is the convo actually about if you're not being excluded from groups or losing games then playing off-meta doesn't matter in the first place and the entire discussion doesn't matter
Replies: >>714614938 >>714614959 >>714628414
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:33:43 PM No.714614539
16068563
16068563
md5: 1387af1bc8bb652df1808b8f75cf539e๐Ÿ”
>Dude bro... playing off meta is totally based. I play it MY way and not like the others.
>You mad bro?
Replies: >>714614747
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:34:46 PM No.714614618
>>714611904
Not that guy, but it comes from people assuming it's an acronym based on how meta is used in regards to videogames. It does mean the most efficient method and not actually the strongest build, but obviously that isn't the etymology.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:35:00 PM No.714614642
03 Dark Souls 3
03 Dark Souls 3
md5: 43d46a667bb6ad6a4e94edfb146d2d40๐Ÿ”
>>714614198
I think he wanted to be a battle mage, which isn't bad at all, they are flexible and fun to play, if he was the same level as the other guy then the battle mage would win by virtue of having more tools at his disposal given that he knows how to play them correctly.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:36:10 PM No.714614747
>>714614539
Ahhh yes, as opposed to the 20 guilds of 20 spell cleave mages, epic burn d00d
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:36:42 PM No.714614790
file
file
md5: 7e1023c7c3dc00e3362b9737c7ec4e56๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
By the way this image was made by an ASSFAGGOTS player.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:38:22 PM No.714614938
>>714614458
That's the assumption right there, you are talking about that. I am talking about the absurdity of wanking about meta where it's not relevant to anyone's goals.
Replies: >>714615740
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:38:41 PM No.714614959
>>714614458
>if everyone does it perfectly 100 times in a row you save 10 hours
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:44:07 PM No.714615426
>>714602642 (OP)
playing the meta is BORING
if you start a game and your first instinct is googling "best build 2025" then go fuck yourself
Everyone ends up playing the same thing, why even have customization
I have a friend who does this and its annoying as hell, just play the game nigga you wont need a meta build until end game 100 hours in not at the start
Replies: >>714630557
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:47:38 PM No.714615740
>>714614938
>I am talking about the absurdity of wanking about meta where it's not relevant to anyone's goals.
It is relevant to my goals play a real class.
Replies: >>714616439
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:48:19 PM No.714615794
lol thatโ€™s me on Dota 2
Thereโ€™s 5-10 tryhard picks that absolutely crush any other characters like
tiny,axe,puck,wraith king, pa, shadow demon, juggernaut and like 6 others and I WILL play the other 90 heroes exclusively because all faggots so is watch YouTube videos on how to build and carry and I still rape then
Replies: >>714615889 >>714617247 >>714631251
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:49:02 PM No.714615862
>>714610661
>if you want to play like a child, why not play a children's game?
playing without following the meta means learning a game and coming up with your own way of playing it instead of following what youtube daddy told you to pick
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:49:31 PM No.714615889
>>714615794
Forgot clinks and meepo
But at least with meepo you need โ€œskillโ€ aka fags just using scripts these days
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:52:16 PM No.714616127
>>714602642 (OP)
Because basically turning every race in a racing game with a huge roster into a spec series is fucking BORING.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:52:42 PM No.714616172
1722159217837922
1722159217837922
md5: b6f144c92a6a8adc6a64eaf5d2996fd5๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
man i love meta
Replies: >>714616310
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:54:24 PM No.714616310
1748347621935331
1748347621935331
md5: b63d1e96bdc842c8e0d998544c012c5f๐Ÿ”
>>714616172
is just so healthy for games
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:55:35 PM No.714616420
>>714602876
WELL WELL WELL
WHAT HAVE WE HERE
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:55:49 PM No.714616439
>>714615740
I basically said if A then B, to which the response was that if C then D.
I even went as far as to specify that if C then D and B isn't automatically true if C.
Now we have a situation where I say that C is often not true.
Now you insist that C must be true. No ifs, just C.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:57:53 PM No.714616605
1560018673811
1560018673811
md5: fc3bc1f0a3a434d730d3bd0c77c919c6๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
>play Dota 2
>pick off-meta Supports instead of the bog-standard Lich/FM/ES
>literally 100% wr with some of them
meta slaves have no idea how to react to off-meta shit.

I played PKMN during weather channel and used an off-meta (Hail) team, similar situation.
Replies: >>714616936 >>714630713 >>714643589
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:58:00 PM No.714616613
>>714602642 (OP)
They think they're rebelling against society but in reality they're hurting their teammates and rank.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 10:59:48 PM No.714616774
1674221864607604
1674221864607604
md5: 9c761f14a0f4bd9ab39f506a97143f93๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
Because I like having fun.
>play cuck of lelgends back when it came out
>try some wild shit like ap tryndamere and actually stomp
>now it's either patched out by gay devs or 25 year old shitskins will mass report me because i'm not playing like their favorite streamers
Metafags are low IQ feces-colored "people".
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:01:43 PM No.714616936
>>714616605
Based
They donโ€™t realize that certain items specifically counter some of their gay build that they watched streamer #5432 replicate so therefore itโ€™s good. Then you stunlock them to death Kek
Replies: >>714643589
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:05:33 PM No.714617247
Off meta picks would be way less of an issue if character building/selection had enough depth to it. The problem is the meta picks are literally just numerically superior and there isn't anything different enough to justify the off meta picks. Killing the enemy is the main objective, the meta guys moves just do more damage than the other guys. They stun you for longer, they have more powerful defensives w/e. Larger team games with more objective focused gameplay go a long way to providing niches other than just "the killingest guy". Pretty sure most devs also don't even try to make a balanced game and just have a revolving door of IMBA (the blizzard way)

>>714615794
>PA
>meta
PA is outright the lowest win rate hero in the game currently
Replies: >>714617334
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:06:05 PM No.714617286
1751749364206
1751749364206
md5: 64eab7b2af1154cc864ad4cb12cbbbe6๐Ÿ”
>>714611241
>Is the meta to maximize the probability to do >40 DPS or to maximize the DPS?
This was a genuine fucking issue with retards in MHRise
They'd put on the highest DPS sets and go online only to waste carts because those sets are made for runners doing solo-play and ai-manipulation.

A "comfier" set has less theoretical DPS, but based on the 1000 factors (monster ai, player inconsistency/skill, familiarity, other players, etc.) lead to higher DPS because you waste less time getting knocked around and healing.
Replies: >>714617425 >>714618617
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:06:24 PM No.714617315
>>714605192
Melee hasnt had an update since it launched and the meta changed constantly.
Replies: >>714620845
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:06:32 PM No.714617325
>>714605213
>place got flooded with metafags netdecking the same two or three over-optimized snoozefest piles
yes because every single person trying to execute the same strategy runs the exact same list and that well know list is the best and what wins every event afterwards, right?
except after a list becomes meta it no longer is the the best list as people adapt to that list and you need to modify it based on others adaptions.

but no, everyone must be running the exact same thing because you can't tell the difference.
Replies: >>714640597
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:06:40 PM No.714617334
>>714617247
Itโ€™s picked so much doe
Replies: >>714617447
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:07:52 PM No.714617425
>>714617286
Everyone automatically assumes they are skilled enough to be the glass cannon.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:08:05 PM No.714617443
>>714613228
>LBG taking up most of the online playerbase
LBG usage never went above 15%/4th place iirc
Everyone is busy playing LS
Replies: >>714618389
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:08:10 PM No.714617447
>>714617334
She is very easy and fun to play.
t. 600+ PA games
Replies: >>714618605
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:09:44 PM No.714617581
fly dumb asshole
fly dumb asshole
md5: 23c264108c6225739981faeda129a50d๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
There's a middle ground between "meta-riding predditor" and "blind retard who had to drop out of high school to shovel horse shit"
but that's nuance, and modern /v/ is filled with browns who think "nuance" is a type of spice wypipo don't season dey food or rivers with
Replies: >>714617928
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:11:01 PM No.714617672
>>714602642 (OP)
>achievement to get 5k kills with each weapon
>includes off-handers like shields that only have single-target, long cooldown moves
>refuse to power grind the achievements
>just make an off-meta build that optimizes the weapon use
>natural kills with the off-hand weapon are maybe 10% of kills, so about 50k kills would be needed per achievement
>there's a half dozen of these weapons/achievements in the game
i've been at it for 12 years and still haven't finished a single one
my mistake is that earlier on i was using dual wieldable weapons like daggers and swords in the off-hand to do those achievements when i should have started with the off-hands from the beginning
Replies: >>714631147 >>714655923
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:13:06 PM No.714617846
Finding the correct way to play the game is part of the fun.
By spoiling that, you spoil the game itself.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:14:08 PM No.714617928
>>714617581
Meta is a spectrum, even if you get everyone to agree to play the mid tier stuff that will just became the new meta. It's the exact attitude that lead to Magic's current situation where everyone just wants to play Commander (with themed/random decks only, don't you dare play to win), it's a race to the bottom.
Replies: >>714618046 >>714643589
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:15:41 PM No.714618046
>>714617928
Isn't magic's problem moreso the ever-poisoned brains of WotC and a bunch of normalfags flooding in with no actual knowledge of the game and don't like icky stall matches or mill dicks or whateverthefuck
Replies: >>714618350 >>714643589
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:16:07 PM No.714618089
I hate people who cry and complain when people are better than them. I saw a clip of people doing crazy shit in mario kart and all the comments were boomers saying its over and the game is shit now because people are able to do things they never will. IDK what causes people to have such a weak jealous mindset
Replies: >>714618437
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:17:59 PM No.714618214
>>714603776
mon-hun was pretty notorious for this.
Replies: >>714618317
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:18:32 PM No.714618254
>>714602642 (OP)
unless you're in a team with other people this is a nothingburger complaint
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:18:38 PM No.714618267
Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game.
Replies: >>714618510 >>714618817 >>714631586
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:19:13 PM No.714618317
>>714618214
Mon hun has like no metafagging at all what are you talking about? I only remember 4 HBG rooms in 4U for 140 GQ Rajang but those were super rare
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:19:35 PM No.714618350
>>714618046
nta but its problem is that people don't seem to be able to separate the types of events they go to and what they play at them.
If you go to a competitive store that runs competitive events with competitive players who are looking to play at the highest level of competition then not bringing a highly competitive deck is just retarded. But people will bring their retarded shit and whinge they can't win and people are too competitive.
The opposite happens too and magic players are so fucking butthurt about it they had to make a different format instead of being able to be sane individuals and just saying X days at Y store are Z type of event.

no other card game has this problem.
Replies: >>714618808
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:20:05 PM No.714618389
rise_data_book_img01_en
rise_data_book_img01_en
md5: 3f7fe44caf66fa111bf1f282b96fdfec๐Ÿ”
>>714617443
I said stuff like LBG, anon, but my bad for wording it confusingly. I just meant that everyone flocks to the DPS option, the one specifically crafted to engage with the game even less, because their goal is not the gameplay but clearing the mission faster.

I couldn't really find an official posting of Sunbreak usage rates, which I imagine has thinner margins, but this was base game rise in the year before. Logically if people were choosing these top tier weapons for their gameplay you'd see a similar disparity in Sunbreak, but that doesn't seem to be the case so the conclusion I'd say is most reasonable would be that they're choosing based on effectiveness.

Not that there's anything wrong with choosing weapons or builds for that reason, I'm just saying it is inadvertently going to negatively affect regular online play.
Replies: >>714618557 >>714618575 >>714621174 >>714622463 >>714636548 >>714661271 >>714661390
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:20:40 PM No.714618437
>>714618089
Meta is about choices and number crunching, not skill.
Although sure, sometimes playing meta requires enough dexterity to perform complex tech, but that heavily depends on the game, in a different one it could be about playing the most braindead overpowered character.
Replies: >>714619089
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:21:19 PM No.714618510
>>714618267
you have to min max or you're playing it wrong
autism is the only way
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:21:55 PM No.714618557
>>714618389
LS is always the most popular weapon even when its awful.
have you ever considered the fact that maybe people pick weapons they think are cool and like and can do cool shit?
yeah, there are some people who will pick just for performance, which will skew the rates of certain types of weapons, but the majority of players are not picking solely for performance.
Replies: >>714620319
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:22:08 PM No.714618575
>>714618389
LS is not popular because it has the highest DPS or because it's easy, it's popular because it feels good to the average person to play; it's a good midground of speed and power and you get to look like Sephiroth.
Replies: >>714620319
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:22:36 PM No.714618605
>>714617447
Based pa enjoyer.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:22:38 PM No.714618606
chaud
chaud
md5: 416ece781f56dab4106498f9320eb773๐Ÿ”
>play new game with friend
>tell him i dont mind him being overleveled I wanna see the stupid shit you can do with endgame stuff
>NONONONO I NEED TO GIMP MYSELF ITS NOT FAIR TO YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID ITS FINE
Replies: >>714618910 >>714622774
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:22:45 PM No.714618617
>>714617286
>That subtle panchira
Glorious!
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:24:52 PM No.714618778
idm people playing off meta tbdesu as long as it isn't something extremely rarted
sometimes people just wanna have fun and only off meta shit offers that
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:25:17 PM No.714618808
>>714618350
>no other card game has this problem.
I've certainly never heard of any that did. Magic's got too many formats as-is that split all the cards in a way where the vast majority of them might as well be expensive coasters, you'd think that would piss people off but instead they want MORE segregation. Even fucking smogon has a community more willing to accept the expectations of its competitive nature.
Replies: >>714643727
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:25:26 PM No.714618817
contsihder the following
contsihder the following
md5: 74f6d0a343a166203d7981392c51fc38๐Ÿ”
>>714618267
stop making games where the best way to win is the least fun way to play.
Replies: >>714619174
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:26:23 PM No.714618886
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md5: edc78253241e631abb79261783096b43๐Ÿ”
>>714604658
Did you know you could heal and buff friendly bears by passing a salmon ball through them?
I use to do this build where I'd get four beasts collars, tame four bears, reel enemies into the middle of my four bears bodyblocking them, then spam the enemy with salmon balls to keep the bear wall healthy while they mauled the enemy
Now of course this doesn't work on most enemies, they have CC to move the bears or have a movement ability to get out
You know who doesn't?
Fire wizards
They have fire walk, but it gets interrupted if they run into someone. They can try to kill the bears, but I can heal them and put fires out. This hard counters them.
Between all the buffing abilities fishpole staff has you can make a pretty good beast army, not as good as druids but you're also getting killing the fire wizards every team has so it's worth it
This isn't possible anymore. They took away the salmon ball bear interaction, locked beast collar from wizards, and made flame walk go through enemies now. Because how fucking dare you build anything but fire wizard
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:26:39 PM No.714618910
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1734224998817234_thumb.jpg
md5: bcc8abe634eca256655df9f83b666ef7๐Ÿ”
>>714618606
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVKdPFLltyI
they would shit on miyazaki for how he plays his own games
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:29:00 PM No.714619089
>>714618437
I don't think there are any games other than ARPGs that you can be a top player just by playing the meta, play any mmo or fighting game or fps or whatevers meta and youll never come close to top rank with just knowledgr. You are already too far gone if you think people have no skill and hate people playing well. Theres nothing wrong with playing a game as a casual
Replies: >>714619353
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:30:08 PM No.714619174
>>714618817
This is the actual point of that quote in context but people misuse it.
>People will optimize the fun out of your game, therefore it's your job as a developer to make it fun when played optimally. If the player has to play suboptimally to have fun you failed as a designer
Replies: >>714619590 >>714620171
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:31:25 PM No.714619278
In a similar vein, seeing speedrunner/challenge runners play the game normally and being complete shit at it is always funny. It just shows how bad people are ay vidya when they have to think for themselves.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:32:23 PM No.714619353
>>714619089
Just saying that the topic isn't about which player is more skilled.
For all you know somebody playing offmeta could be doing it because they already became pretty good at using the meta and now wants to try other shit.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:35:28 PM No.714619590
>>714619174
Honestly disagree. This feels like railroading as opposed to encouraging various combos and a "meta" eventually emerging as a natural, not necessarily intended consequence.
Replies: >>714620031
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:38:42 PM No.714619842
>>714602642 (OP)
>"Who do some people refuse"
ESL faggot
>CRTL+F
>"0 Results"
The rest of you niggers are slacking as well
Replies: >>714619937 >>714620202
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:38:44 PM No.714619845
>>714602642 (OP)
because you can't find out anything new (and better) if you just play like everyone else does
I'm playing wow tbc, 18 year old game, and finding new ways to do stuff
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:39:46 PM No.714619937
>>714619842
racism will not be tolerated, faggot
Replies: >>714655040
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:40:39 PM No.714620000
Not playing meta is one thing but it's crazie how the majority of normalfags is utterly incapable of making a viable build by themselves. They do shit like beastmaster without pets, using a great club while leveling INT then whine that the game is too hard.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:41:00 PM No.714620031
shrimplicity itself
shrimplicity itself
md5: cd25f7c7f70ba27226aab81a0418c655๐Ÿ”
>>714619590
eh, I tend to agree with Mark Rosewater (the guy who said all that shit) when he says that the promise between the designer and the player is that if the player tries to win the game with the things the designer put in the game, the player will have fun.
metaslavery is what happens when the developer fails to uphold their end of this unspoken promise, because he's the one who put all the things that are in the game into the game, and that includes the things that are not fun.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:42:47 PM No.714620164
>>714602642 (OP)
If its some sort of MMO team-effort game then you should at least be running a build that can pull its weight as part of the unit.

If you don't want to make that effort then just stick to single player games where it doesn't matter.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:42:51 PM No.714620171
>>714619174
there's no way for a developer to account for every possible synergy, exploit or player preference
Replies: >>714630386
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:43:12 PM No.714620202
>>714619842
dude I'm just trying to have FUN with language, sorry I didn't look up a guide on the most optimal way to speak!
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:44:01 PM No.714620268
>>714602642 (OP)
gotta be one of my favorite images
makes people absurdly angry and it's true, if you're playing a competitive team based game and you have no desire to even attempt to win fuck you for wasting everyone's time, play something else
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:44:33 PM No.714620304
>>714602642 (OP)
I will play Twitch support in ranked and you will deal with it
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:44:51 PM No.714620319
>>714618557
>>714618575
>have you ever considered the fact that maybe people pick weapons they think are cool and like and can do cool shit?
Uhh yeah, I said that indirectly. Those people would be the percentages who don't change much in Sunbreak, as in a say 20% drop for LS when the weapon didn't lose the traits you're both describing is a pretty good indicator that there's an alternative reason for those people moving to another weapon. The remaining 20% are the ones who likely simply enjoy the LS.

>yeah, there are some people who will pick just for performance, which will skew the rates of certain types of weapons, but the majority of players are not picking solely for performance.
I don't believe that's the case because I've played other online games as well and seen the large portions of the playerbase shift usage rates whenever a new meta option is discovered or an old one is balanced while still retaining the same gameplay. You can literally watch the usage rates in Warframe change directly because they post the stats for it, after they nerfed explosive weapons Wukong's usage rate dropped 50% despite his actual kit not taking any direct hits (yet). Meanwhile Revenant jumped up nearly 4 times the usage rate when people realised he could also essentially AFK clear maps despite his kit also not changing during that time period.
But even if that wasn't the case, there's still the issue of the DPS race in regards to builds for individual weapons and the thought process behind that stuff.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:45:33 PM No.714620368
>That period of DOTA 2 where OG did back to back wins at the International with stupid shit like Carry Io
Glorious days.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:50:15 PM No.714620749
I've played games at GM in league and LEM in csgo, people almost never have a problem with off meta picks if the player performs unless it's shit that outright doesn't work if the team hasnt played with it before like bardinette's bard top. the problem comes when your teams gangplank onetrick decides he's going to counterpick himself first timing an adc top in ranked and has no idea how to contribute to the match as that class after going 1/8 in lane. similarly in cs, nobody cares if you buy an autosniper, they will care if you start doing "off meta" smokes that blind 3 of your teammates during a site push. TLDR normal games exist for a reason and a 700lp lobby with a queue time of 10+ minutes probably isn't the place for a supp main to lock in mundo mid.
Replies: >>714620863
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:51:10 PM No.714620845
>>714617315
Melee is 1v1. In there you can play off-meta as much as you want.
In team games(aka OP pic) you either play meta or get kicked. The WoW player who played without shoes, or getting "unoptimal legendary" because you weren't maxed. Overwatch, especially OW2, makes your team lose if you for example main just Symmetra or Torb instead of picking meta teams.

Metafaggotry ruins fun casual gaming.
Replies: >>714628817
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:51:34 PM No.714620863
>>714620749
can you say that again without lingo please?
Replies: >>714622386
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:51:54 PM No.714620881
>>714609931
This is retarded and not true. I was big into FFXIV raiding during Heavensward which had insanely unbalanced jobs and it was always the paladins and monks who cried about how their job is unplayable and started leveling Dark Knight and Ninja.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:53:46 PM No.714621003
Ranked Matchmaking and progaming in general is a cancer on this industry. I can't even play a multiplayer game anymore.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:54:17 PM No.714621040
1751734547833332
1751734547833332
md5: 90ec2514015c96f5c302a7d76373b9e3๐Ÿ”
i use southern hospitality in tf2. i use default viewmodels and no auto reload. every single stream there's some little faggot who just started playing the game 3 months ago telling me I'm playing wrong.
Replies: >>714622447
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:54:22 PM No.714621049
>>714602642 (OP)
>be company
>can't design a game for shit so you take the PvP-pill
>call your game "skill-based" when it's 100% reliant upon wikipedia knowledge
>players solve every detail of the game in weeks
>start hard-coding in otherwise inaccessible information via boilerplate
>now you have probable cause to call metafags "cheaters" and ban anyone you want
>invest heavily into "anticheat" and keep coding in other inaccessible information like EOMM
>"totally skill-based don't you *know* about packet loss and the third frame of this specific attack"
>Tell the devs about exploits in their game, (which is the only reason high ELO/MMR exists)
>"You have forbidden knowledge and were likely abusing exploits to find this"
>bans your account for *noticing* exploits
>devs can't even play the game high level so they "nerf and buff" retarded things
>"changed the amount of healing in a potion from 700 to 699 hp"
>"lowered the recoil on shotgun (strongest weapon in the game) by 12%"
>skill-based but it's actually a wiki game also anyone you don't like is a cheater and exploit abuser

this is like every single PvP game I've ever played.
Replies: >>714621620 >>714628669
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:54:50 PM No.714621081
>>714602642 (OP)
>he plays games to win not have fun
Monkey brained behavior.
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:55:41 PM No.714621139
>>714602642 (OP)
I will never understand metaslaves, Souls games are fucking lousy with them. What enjoyment do you possibly garner from fighting the exact same four builds over and over?
Replies: >>714621428
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:56:01 PM No.714621174
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1718764676242919
md5: 42d99abef956c449a3868ff660cc21a1๐Ÿ”
>>714618389
>exclusively use the bottom 3 in every game (that they're in)
>literally never even forged or upgraded a LS in my life
I'm afraid I haven't been a very good host. You see... I am fishpole wizard
Anonymous
7/5/2025, 11:59:32 PM No.714621428
>>714621139
Souls PvP is a joke and shouldn't be taken seriously
it should only be seen as funny griefing or somewhay fair invasions.
Replies: >>714621625 >>714621674 >>714648385 >>714648524 >>714650658
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:00:30 AM No.714621483
>>714602642 (OP)
Devs can't actually do anything about metafags so they just install anticheat (does nothing) and use it to ban any metafag they don't want playing their game, while also using it to ban anyone that draws attention to any exploits in their game.
Replies: >>714621620
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:01:41 AM No.714621572
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1750212940020001
md5: b077519f818f8a8c1a08f6f6325ca61a๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
>using meta gear/builds
>not just being Chinese and hacking to give yourself 9999999 wins the moment the servers go up
fucking embarrassing
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:02:29 AM No.714621620
>>714621049
>>714621483
>devs ban people for playing the meta
What game?
Replies: >>714622118
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:02:32 AM No.714621625
>>714621428
Some of the most fun I ever had with multiplayer games was invading Darkroot Garden in DS1 with the fog ring on, hiding in the trees, and trying to shoot people off cliffs with greatarrows
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:03:17 AM No.714621674
>>714621428
the secret sauce that makes souls pvp good is invincible backdash, guess which game was the only one to get it right
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:04:44 AM No.714621776
all smiles
all smiles
md5: 1e348690e379c7ee2f8087eed2ed5994๐Ÿ”
>game has a meta
>everyone follows it
>no one expects meme builds
>as a result you can do well just because no one expects you to use theoretically retarded item/skill combos
Replies: >>714621894 >>714622063 >>714622425 >>714622837 >>714649590 >>714663245
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:05:57 AM No.714621839
>>714602642 (OP)
Holy ESL. But to answer that question this highly depends on two things, is the current meta actually fun with nuance and not in a MUST WIN MUST WIN way? Two, is the game designed around experimenting and trying new ways to solve a solution? TF2 dosent have a inherent meta that everyone sticks to unless you are a annoying compfaggot that screeches at random crits, but I can understand metas like CS2 where there are callouts and weapons everyone wants to go for, or something like smoke throws. Not all metas are created equal and some absolutely suck the life out of you but its all about the game and the context. T0 Metas in shit like Yugioh make me pissed cause 99 percent of the time it isnt even on skill its whoever has the biggest wallet
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:06:17 AM No.714621860
>>714602876
So pick anti-meta hard counters???
Replies: >>714622304
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:06:58 AM No.714621894
>>714621776
I know a guy who uses a meme whip build in Elden Ring and he gets absolute fucking mountains of metaslave seethe because he's actually really good with it
Replies: >>714622298 >>714622616 >>714663245
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:08:20 AM No.714621980
>i'm an innovator! I'm going to find the secret sauce that defeats the meta!
-guy running the dumbest build known to man that is actively throwing the hour-long game for the rest of his team, not viable or funny in any kind of way
Replies: >>714622174 >>714622278
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:09:34 AM No.714622063
>>714621776
Similar to becoming a homeless vagrant griefer in survival crafting games and using weird tactics to blow up the giant guild's bases before getting kicked from the server.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:10:25 AM No.714622118
>>714621620
literally any game that has abusable glitches and exploits and PvP. They just ban anyone who uses or knows about the exploit, then the devs can't even reproduce the exploit so they never fix it. Literally google 'banned for abusing exploits' you will find hundreds of completely different games. None of these are hackers, just people who metafagged a little too hard.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:10:53 AM No.714622152
>>714602642 (OP)
People who strictly stick to metas are sweaty faggots who have no real world achievements or attributes they can take pride in so they HAVE to play video games as optimally as possible even if it makes them miserable because their self esteem depends on it. Everyone else just does whatever is most fun to them at the time because they only play video games to have fun.
Replies: >>714622216 >>714622748
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:11:14 AM No.714622174
>>714621980
t. Bitter guy who never found the secret sauce
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:11:55 AM No.714622216
>>714622152
Although the inverse is equally true as well. There are some people who simply REFUSE to play the meta no matter what it is and their motivations are the same as the strict metafags, except with a retarded contrarian twist.
Replies: >>714622335
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:12:59 AM No.714622278
>>714621980
>actually find the secret sauce
>"yeah, you're banned"
>*devs nerf every single secret sauce ingredient*
Replies: >>714622556 >>714622570 >>714622989
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:13:21 AM No.714622298
>>714621894
But thatโ€™s the point of ops image, people expect every strategy to be fine despite not giving a shit about strategy.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:13:24 AM No.714622304
>>714621860
if anti-meta is a hard counter, then it is most likely also meta, retard.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:13:53 AM No.714622335
>>714622216
This is going to sound crazy but most people just want to play whatever way feels the most fun to them and pay no attention to pvpsweat leaderboards and what is or isn't the absolute most optimal method
Replies: >>714622748
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:14:38 AM No.714622381
>play CoD MW2
>Shotgun can accurately headshot with hipfire at infinite range with slugs, but with slow bullet travel time and dropoff
>Having fun hearing people losing their mind on final kill deathcam despite getting bodied like 90% of the time by automatic guns and quickscope snipers
>Play MW3
>Shotgun can't even headshot at mid range
>Meanwhile quickscope snipers still run rampant as better shotguns because of auto aim and can one shot at close range on bodyshot
Fuck COD
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:14:44 AM No.714622386
>>714620863
as someone who's played multiple games at high ranks, people don't care if you pick something off meta, even in ranked if you've actually played it before and are any good with it. people get bothered when you pick something that is off meta, that you have never played before, in ranked. since this completely fucks your teams ability to win against remotely similarly skilled opponents. People get even more pissed off if you're playing off meta shit while off role (i.e. a dps player in an mmo first timing as a tank and using crit damage gear) since you won't have the skills required to play that role at a competitive level in the first place and are effectively gimping yourself on top of that.
Replies: >>714622495
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:14:51 AM No.714622398
>>714602642 (OP)
playing the meta is like letting someone play for you

A man choses
a dog obeys
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:15:18 AM No.714622425
>>714621776
That reminds of a friend on an old MMO. The PvP meta was basically either nuking with a mage or stunlocking others with a melee class. He was tired of it so he decided to do some trolling.
World pvp was 3 factions in a 1v1v1 competition. He made a priest in each faction on different accounts and proceeded to farm himself in some out of bounds corner. Being a priest he could always revive and heal his alts, so he farmed himself to rank 1 in all 3 factions at once. When the season was over, the #1 player becomes the faction's leader so he set the taxes to maximum in all 3 factions and since he was in a solo guild he reaped all the profits.
Replies: >>714630650
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:15:35 AM No.714622447
>>714621040
Southern hospitality is actually good though, it fucks up escaping spies and if a pyro is close ranged you are fucked regardless.
Replies: >>714622986
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:15:41 AM No.714622457
>>714603013
Pokemon is a special kind of retarded because the actual single player meta is completely detached from the official competitive meta. I don't know of other series that intentionally do that.
Replies: >>714628961 >>714648109 >>714650918
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:15:45 AM No.714622463
>>714618389
hammer always grug beloved
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:16:18 AM No.714622495
>>714622386
Thank you anon, that's much clearer
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:16:59 AM No.714622550
>>714602642 (OP)
If you can't trust an electronic gambling game, to give you an honest pay-out, then you can't trust a PvP game to give you an honest matchup or winrate.
Replies: >>714622946
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:17:08 AM No.714622556
>>714622278
more often than not this just happens to playstyles that competitive players vocally dislike, not to "the secret anti-meta." usually that shit isn't even that good
Replies: >>714622989 >>714623108 >>714624494
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:17:22 AM No.714622570
>>714622278
And this is why anybody who isn't a worst Korean living inside a net cafe should avoid LoL at all costs.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:18:00 AM No.714622616
>>714621894
Based Belmont
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:19:56 AM No.714622748
>>714622335
Yeah, that's what I was getting at in >>714622152
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:20:24 AM No.714622774
>>714618606
I like to scale myself down for a friend because it's not fun for me, and there's usually some other playstyle I can try that I didn't do at that level.
Replies: >>714622857
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:20:37 AM No.714622793
1653073379136
1653073379136
md5: ba0a176addc77ccd636d661dea75e48b๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
>He can't beat the game with fish-wizard.
Others have done nightmare/ironman mode on shovel-druid. This man has no excuse.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:20:53 AM No.714622817
>>714602642 (OP)
>He used a meta build
You didn't beat the game
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:21:09 AM No.714622837
>>714621776
This is incredibly viable if you play competitive card games. People cannot cope with new shit.
Replies: >>714627175 >>714645102
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:21:25 AM No.714622857
>>714622774
not fun for me to be overpowered*
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:21:55 AM No.714622887
>>714602642 (OP)
Metamancing often isn't fun and isn't needed outside of very specific missions, raids, or whatever content. Making something workable is usually easy enough and allows you to discover and use more content within the game.
If it's singleplayer, who cares? If you're playing multiplayer outside of a premade, at least do others a favour and don't blatantly throw as everyone wants to have fun.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:22:45 AM No.714622946
>>714622550
I can't say for web games, but electronic slot machines in the US are completely fair, people simply don't understand how they work.
The machines have a legaly mandated payout %, and in most states the "games" have to be pregenerated. So the machine actually generates say 100k game board that respect the winning odds displayed on the machine. Pulling the lever plays an animation while a board is randomly chosen. You cannot affect the game in any way, even the special bonuses, minigames and such are precalculated.
The catch is that the payout % only apply to money inserted, not to gains.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:23:14 AM No.714622986
>>714622447
tell that to every 3rd worlder 12 year old who started playing since it went f2p and gets their entire identity from youtubers. the SH also knocks sappers out in one less hit which can literally win the game occasionally.
Replies: >>714623178
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:23:16 AM No.714622989
>>714622278
>>714622556
This is the easiest way to kill a good game. Overwatch is a prime example of what happens when devs are tasked with constantly fucking up the meta for no reason every month.
Replies: >>714623082
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:23:26 AM No.714623005
>>714602642 (OP)
reminder that this scrub player on your team is also the absolute legend that made 80% of the meta you're blaming him for not using.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:23:50 AM No.714623025
Off-meta is usually bad, Anti-meta builds are fun and shows you understand the game.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:24:34 AM No.714623082
>>714622989
do you think GOATs didn't need to get taken behind the shed and killed

overwatch was a shit game from step one, strong tank and strong healing is the recipe for an obnoxious as fuck team shooter
Replies: >>714623304 >>714623557
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:24:53 AM No.714623108
>>714622556
>every single time something successfully kills a jet/plane or helicopter in Battlefield even once
Pain.
Replies: >>714623342
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:25:03 AM No.714623125
>>714602642 (OP)
Because something is meta was a result of experimental play to begin with.
It becomes predictable and people learn how to counter.
There can also be multiple metas (Like in fighting games). There are also metas that can be discovered by continuing to learn from other characters which could result in a strat that can be either just as good or even a better meta only a few bothered to take the effort and learned firsthand.
Being a follower isn;t always the right course of action.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:25:09 AM No.714623135
>>714602642 (OP)
I will not use guides, but I will play in the most optimal way that I can find while playing. Anything else feels like holding back, which breaks immersion and therefore lessens enjoyment. If I happen to discover the meta by myself, and the game turns too easy and therefore boring, then it is what it is.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:25:50 AM No.714623178
>>714622986
one less hit than the jag* which is what they tell everyone to play with. that or the eureka, which tbf is a cool weapon.
Replies: >>714623275
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:27:17 AM No.714623275
>>714623178
Eureka effect is great on maps that you can ninjaneer on and get a level 3 base inside of chokepoints.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:27:36 AM No.714623304
>>714623082
That's exactly what I'm talking about. Overwatch was already ruined by the time GOATs came around, GOATs was a thing because the devs had fucked with the game so much already by that point that something that retarded was now possible. The Valkyrie update was the end of OW and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the devs would continue fucking the game up no matter what happens.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:28:03 AM No.714623342
>>714623108
>NO STINGER
>NO MOBILE AA
>NO HEAT SEEKERS
>NO JET RAMMING
>NO FUN
Replies: >>714626571
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:28:33 AM No.714623384
>>714610316
If you starve in 12 hours you deserve to die
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:28:35 AM No.714623387
Has the pic of the night and necromancer fighting the clown with dildos been posted yet? That's a good argument against meta-faggotry.
Note: There is a difference between playing optimally for the character/class you are playing as and meta-faggotry.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:31:31 AM No.714623557
IS SOMEONE HAVING FUN
IS SOMEONE HAVING FUN
md5: 5536e31c163fa02f1e44aa1f1ec99fea๐Ÿ”
>>714623082
eh, I think GOATS was more the symptom of the game being badly-designed with all the shields and hard disables.
If they didn't want people to pile on shields and disables and turn the game into a walking sim, they shouldn't have put in so many goddamn shields and disables.
then they solved it in the worst possible way via role limits.
Replies: >>714623675 >>714645730
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:33:11 AM No.714623675
>>714623557
>then they solved it in the worst possible way via role limits.
So play open qeue you big fucking baby.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:33:17 AM No.714623680
>>714603360
>ganked by someone thirty levels higher
Fishpole wizard has 1000x the play time deespite being underlevelled
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:36:47 AM No.714623923
>fish pole staff wizard was a very niche build that was really fun to play
>some autistic Korean figures out that you can use fish pole staff and rangers cock ring on wizard to insta-delete someone and used it to terrorize the top 0.1% of players
>fish pole staff and wizard nerfed into the dirt while the devs still claim it's viable offmeta combo in casual play (it isn't)
>casual players tried to make it work because they loved fish pole staff wizard
The moral of the story is that League of Legends sucks and Riot games deserve to be raped to death by wild niggers
Replies: >>714624201 >>714624262
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:40:42 AM No.714624201
>>714623923
>can't play mid or nothing
>can't play carry supports
>can't play trilanes
>can't deviate from the company mandated meta in any way or you lose the game or get banned by the auto moderator
Replies: >>714624635 >>714624861 >>714650470
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:41:40 AM No.714624262
>>714623923
>wild niggers
oxymoron
Replies: >>714625158
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:44:47 AM No.714624494
>>714622556
most people who complain when "unconventional" strats are removed from games never played against them. Bullshit like funnel yi/kayle/taric or Laneswap meta actively make games worse because their strength comes from them being unintentional and thus excessively strong while being completely uninteractive for anyone facing it. funnel because only 2 players per match were allowed to enjoy themselves and there is simply no counterplay to an invincible hypercarry with a 5 level and 2 item lead forcing entire teams off the map. Laneswap because it completely gutted toplane character variety at higher levels, you either picked k'sante to survive the guaranteed early dive or you were level 2 at 10 minutes. The worst part about these strats is that they are disgustingly boring to interact with, and so dominant that every game begins to play out the same way until they are nerfed since their strength forces both teams to adopt them.
Replies: >>714624861
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:46:59 AM No.714624635
>>714624201
is it true lane swaps are hard-coded to fuck you over now?
Replies: >>714624776 >>714624861 >>714625993 >>714650470
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:48:56 AM No.714624776
>>714624635
Yeah.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:49:59 AM No.714624861
>>714624201
>>714624494
>>714624635
lane swap?
as in that thing where you send your carry/support duo top instead of bottom and your solo top goes bottom?
League bans you for that?
Replies: >>714625360 >>714625993
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:53:21 AM No.714625084
>>714602876
true, meta is a consequence of too much information being available which ruins the game, so really its the fault of both the developer as much as the players
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:54:27 AM No.714625158
>>714624262
I don't think you know what that word means
Replies: >>714625568
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:57:41 AM No.714625360
moba
moba
md5: 7465d380a78b2d1a81d6ca68d296f95c๐Ÿ”
>>714624861
you don't just get banned, the game fucks you in the ass to an unrecoverable degree until you go back to your designated area. You get half XP and the enemy objective becomes invincible among other penalties.
Replies: >>714625685 >>714626342
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:58:34 AM No.714625421
>>714606251
North Korea.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:01:05 AM No.714625568
>>714625158
Oh i do, but saying wild and black isn't correct.
Blacks are not wild, Africans are. Blacks in developed countries know exactly what they're doing.
Taking advantage of the system, using their skin color as a weapon, using the kindness of decades of whites that were taught not to judge someone of their skin color.
That is not someone wild. That is opportunist. Wild animals have more common sense and decency. There's countless examples of wild animals being more decent to humankind than how fatiguers behave.
I rather be around wild raccoons than them. At least I know all they want to take from me is any food I have because they're hungry.
Blacks will take your food, your car, your bike, your mailbox, your clothes....
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:02:43 AM No.714625685
wat_real
wat_real
md5: 80ca722e0f2bc1c24eb9ac02deefcd36๐Ÿ”
>>714625360
>half xp and invincible objectives
>for just doing the standard gameplan but shuffling the locations
what the actual fuck, how can people unironically play this shit
Replies: >>714625776 >>714626305
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:03:28 AM No.714625738
>>714602642 (OP)
I quit league of faggots because the person getting reported is the one asking, and the faggot running it down the lane gets a medal
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:04:02 AM No.714625776
>>714625685
>koreans
>people
Replies: >>714625808
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:04:27 AM No.714625808
>>714625776
I rather be around Koreans than blacks.
Replies: >>714625921 >>714625954
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:06:27 AM No.714625921
>>714625808
This desu
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:06:56 AM No.714625954
>>714625808
You wouldn't see them at all because they'd either be starving themselves in a net cafe or chained to a desk for 100 hours a week in a cram school or office that doesn't pay overtime. I'm surprised the suicide rate isn't higher than it already is.
Replies: >>714626059 >>714654721
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:07:23 AM No.714625993
>>714624861
>>714624635
They don't ban you for it, they made it impossible to execute it in the way that made it break the game. swapping the bot laners into top lane before 3-5 minutes applies a temporary buff to the turret that makes it kill minions in one hit, nuke players and give full gold/exp to the solo laner on minion kill. it sounds like an extreme solution but if you watch pro/high elo games from that season it makes sense. effectively every match began with the exact same sequence of:
laneswap-jungler clears towards sololaner and dives sololaner at level 2/3- if the sololaner dies his game is finished and the jungler clears the opposing jungle's camps on that side on top of taking plating gold. the only way to deal with this was to pick a champion that could survive a 3man dive at level 2-3 or function without resources, removing 9.5/10 toplane champions from the pool in higher elos. there's that one famous worlds game with aatrox in the cuckbush doing nothing for 8+mins.
Replies: >>714626305 >>714626549 >>714627162 >>714650470
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:08:29 AM No.714626059
>>714625954
You're really clutching onto that net cafe thing aren't you?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:09:36 AM No.714626135
>>714608487
โ€œRemnant: from the ashesโ€ in a nutshell.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:11:38 AM No.714626272
>>714602642 (OP)
yes, because the combo is clearly retarded. If it was something like Wizard with dildo-summoning wand, then that'd be a real anti-meta build, not just a troll build made to autolose.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:12:10 AM No.714626305
>>714625685
>>714625993
to tldr my other post its because it wasn't the standard gameplan in shuffled locations but a very specific, easily repeatable strategy that fucked proplay and killed viewership due to repetitive games while it was meta.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:12:42 AM No.714626342
>>714625360
lmao what the fuck
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:15:47 AM No.714626549
>>714625993
what i'm hearing here is that the game's balance is extremely fragile due to deep underlying issues and was presumably made by morons
Replies: >>714650470 >>714654345
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:16:10 AM No.714626571
1466896927226
1466896927226
md5: 55d586f82e49d1d1ee0f15fa631256e4๐Ÿ”
>>714623342
>every BF since 4 caters to autistic faggots farming kills in a plane the whole game
>your only "AA" is infantry weapons and maybe a handful of map AA fixtures (usually always placed next to something that allows the plane to escape your firing arc)
>same shit pretty much goes for certain people in tanks who embed themselves in their team's protection and also sit back and farm kills the entire game
i just want to play the game featured in the trailers and commercials man
Replies: >>714626860
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:20:26 AM No.714626860
1751311242559091
1751311242559091
md5: c580dad39ab44339df2ebc026866aa0f๐Ÿ”
>>714626571
>the only way to escape the vehicle sweats is to hide in TDM or slog through 24/7 Metro/Locker servers
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:25:12 AM No.714627162
the cat with the gat
the cat with the gat
md5: 9622a93a9fa3cc8db16877e7e0d06bf2๐Ÿ”
>>714625993
maybe the other team should've, I dunno, responded to the opposing team's strategy in the strategy game?
Replies: >>714629165 >>714633860
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:25:20 AM No.714627175
>>714622837
>people STILL refuse to read any crystron's effects
keep popping my niggas
see what happens
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:43:14 AM No.714628414
>>714614458
>Ok but if you're doing the dungeon 100 times because there's some 1% drop rate item you want you're saving almost 10 hours.
see there's a problem here.
suppose a boss takes 10 minutes normally, and doing the perfect meta strategy cuts that in half.
sure, twice as fast... BUT the perfect meta strategy also has a failure rate of 60% due to all the variables involved (DPS having to forego any kind of emergency survivability, the occasional lag spike, human error, a boss summon could spawn in a spot that counters the meta entirely.)
at that point is it not reasonable to just do the boss without the perfect meta strategy? yeah sure it takes longer at the moment and you could TECHNICALLY pull it off, but because of the failure rate you're getting more clears in less time by playing the non-meta way.
Replies: >>714658921
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:44:03 AM No.714628480
1308040780395
1308040780395
md5: d4b452950248b711525f38fe040df30f๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
That dude is in your game. That means he is your MMR rank. Which means
A: his weird off meta shit does indeed actually work and you are throwing the game by not letting him cook.
or
B: His ability to pass skill checks outweighs his ability to pass knowledge checks. If he played "correctly" then he would just be carrying you because his skill cjeck passing ability is much higher then yours.

It is also possible that he is in your game while being a much lower MMR then you, If this is the case then there is a PERSON OF EQUAL LOW MMR ON THE ENEMY TEAM. If the enemy team wins then they were good enough to carry a low mmr player while you were not. Its as shrimple as that.

The only time this is incorrect is if some player randomly without provocation decided to play off meta while being the type of person who plays meta his whole life. Then yes he is probably choosing to throw. In 90% of situations if you complain about off meta then you are actually just looking to get carried.
Replies: >>714628657 >>714628972 >>714630218 >>714633724
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:46:31 AM No.714628657
>>714628480
MOBA/hero shooter players will jump through a million hoops to dodge accountability for their own lack of skill.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:46:37 AM No.714628669
1300150753655
1300150753655
md5: 03beb7fde9f8fbdb342cfd02afadd28e๐Ÿ”
>>714621049
>call your game "skill-based" when it's 100% reliant upon wikipedia knowledge

knowledge check pvp games are not real games, simple as
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:48:27 AM No.714628817
>>714620845
>Melee is 1v1. In there you can play off-meta as much as you want.
Expert dodge there. There are more examples of this than just Melee and 1v1 games. The point he was making is that metas DO evolve over time (often years) as people experiment, discover shit, and understand the mechanics better.

What you are thinking of as "the meta" is actually just "the current meta" and not the actual final theoretical maximally effective tactic. In fact, meta fagging and enforcing meta picks on others actively stops the meta from improving and evolving as there will be less people experimenting with off-meta options.

And even outside of a concept of a theoretical meta, individuals differ in their compatibility with certain playstyles. The theoretical meta might be sniper rifles. But if you suck ass with snipers and intuitively click with shotguns, then shotguns is YOUR personal meta. And you would be playing inefficiently by NOT picking a shotgun.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:50:08 AM No.714628961
>>714622457
...except pretty much every single game that has a single player and a multiplayer version? Of course the meta where you easily kill bots is different to try harding optimal strategies, in every single game.
Replies: >>714641852
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:50:18 AM No.714628972
>>714628480
C: he's drunk off his ass and is tanking your match (and his rank (don't worry, someone else will take his place))
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:53:05 AM No.714629165
>>714627162
Nice reading comprehension dipshit, the response is explained in the post you replied to, both top laners pick 1 of 5 champions that could potentially survive the early dive and hope the other guy fucks up. it was a meta because both teams used it and every other strategy lost to it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:53:54 AM No.714629234
Because games were fun when people were figuring shit out without wikis, youtube videos and streamers ruining everything. There were always metafags, but there were more people just playing the game naturally. Everyone just wants to win without putting any thought into it. I hate metashit because of that.
Replies: >>714629895
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:57:58 AM No.714629498
280be192-98c7-4ac5-9399-a957c6415c1b_1.f12531e49174f974f4fbb48b39dfe438
>>714606234
Unfathomably based. Love hosing the latest meta trash in MTG Arena with a deck built to hard counter it lmao. The best part is the long pause that happens the moment they realize their main strategy just won't work at all.
Replies: >>714662612
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:59:56 AM No.714629632
>>714607645
What's the meta pick in rock, paper, scissors?
Replies: >>714629763 >>714629918 >>714642810
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:01:41 AM No.714629763
>>714629632
Good ol' rock.
Nothing beats that.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:01:54 AM No.714629774
>>714609781
Ice Climbers.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:03:13 AM No.714629859
>>714606234
This. In PvE meta is always the most boring shit aswell, its always the closest to "press this to win" and thats just not fun gameplay to me.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:03:47 AM No.714629895
>>714629234
I agree kinda but only in the sense that I feel the "meta" is engineered nowadays instead of occurring naturally like in brood war. Back in dota 1 there was no such thing as "supports" or "roles" people just figured out that some heros don't need money or exp and others just got more value from money and exp.

Its like if you went to recess and there is kids of all shapes and sizes and it turns out the skinny kid standing on the fat kids shoulders is the optimal way to steal candy from the principles window. I don't have a problem with THAT kind of meta. What I have a problem with is when you go to recces and everyone is either a fat kid or a skinny kid and there is nothing to figure out. All you can do at that point is check wikipedia for who is the tallest of the tall kids and it changes every other week.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:04:03 AM No.714629918
>>714629632
They actually tested that a statistically significant amount of people start with rock.

So paper if you're among the uninitiated, scissors if you're among metafags
Replies: >>714642810
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:05:43 AM No.714630025
Reading a walkthrough is the meta for single player games. Reading a plot synopsis in advance is the meta for understanding plots. Cheating is extremely meta. At some point, you have to just fucking play the game.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:06:14 AM No.714630058
gigachad
gigachad
md5: cb92e5e435cea926dae7d1dd09c7efb9๐Ÿ”
>>714611214
>Go to a boxing gym
>Kick your opponent in the face
>"Yo bro, why'd you kick me? WTF?"
>"Kicking is meta."
Lmao
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:08:39 AM No.714630218
>>714628480
The problem is that even with both teams having shitters one can have self awareness and take an easy to pull off meta pick, while the other picks a character that both has a higher skill floor and isn't meta. To use a recent game like marvel rivals as an example its the difference between having a shit magneto/strange and a shit black widow/spiderman on your team. one of these is still useful without hands, the other is incapable of contributing to the game.
Replies: >>714630947
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:11:11 AM No.714630386
>>714620171
If you make an unfun tactic optimal, players will pick it even if it's unfun. If Magic released a card that said "Slam your face on the table: Deal 1 damage to each opponent" players would give themselves concussions and then (correctly) say the game fucking sucks shit
Simply make the fun strategies strong, and cut out the unfun or uninteractive ones.
Replies: >>714630530 >>714630798 >>714650930
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:13:19 AM No.714630530
chad tableflipper vs virgin monoblue player
chad tableflipper vs virgin monoblue player
md5: 06280e5bc5d7080f8b19e5ebc2cfffae๐Ÿ”
>>714630386
lmao I'm imagining someone in a game of commander smashing his head into the table until he knocks himself unconsious while everyone's just staring at him
Replies: >>714630798
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:13:32 AM No.714630545
>>714606234
Too bad devs often nerf any viable anti-meta strategies to the ground because they can't balance the game around strategic versatility. Hell they can't even 100% balance the game around a single meta, so most items are left in the trash can until the next season.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:13:53 AM No.714630557
>>714615426
Know a dude that looked up meta builds to play through BG3 and still died to each boss like 10 times on Tactician lmao.
Replies: >>714631264
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:15:13 AM No.714630650
>>714622425
is your friend semitic perchance?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:16:06 AM No.714630713
>>714616605
Had this happen in a fighting game. When a nigga has no idea what your moves do, it's REALLY hard for them to fight back.
Replies: >>714657320
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:17:20 AM No.714630798
fuck all that
fuck all that
md5: aa7c3171f3663538db05b5aad58d576e๐Ÿ”
>>714630386
>>714630530
This card wouldn't be played by anyone except those who literally don't deserve to be playing Magic
Yes, that's right, I genuinely believe that if you are out to win SO HARD you'd literally bang your head on a table to win against your opponent, you don't deserve to play a trading card game. If you play that card, you are clearly too mentally ill to even shit unsupervised.
Replies: >>714631130
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:19:32 AM No.714630935
1748005387782034
1748005387782034
md5: efeada0eaffd9aadd4b4533ce259e7a0๐Ÿ”
Most games are badly designed, that's why the optimal way to play them (meta) is often unfun. In general you want interesting, meaningful, fair, fun player interactions in your PvP game thus you are supposed to design your game with those in mind. A game designer should be an experienced wise gamer preferably in the matching genre (You don't want mmo/rts devs with 0 fps experience designing a fucking shooter) because a proper gamer is the only one with perspective to design games properly. But what happens in real life is designers are hacks who just mix random shit together they thought it was cool at that moment ("What if dash? What if parry melee? What if wall jump?" - icefraud the one trick pony trying to design gameplay of deadlock) . Designers are not at their position for their merits as gamers, they are there because they are sell outs. With these in mind it shouldn't be suprising why pvp games will always have shit metas. Game designers are just suffering from skill issue.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:19:45 AM No.714630947
1312356427288
1312356427288
md5: ffed47154e5dc514e6eaad157d039dda๐Ÿ”
>>714630218
>The problem is that even with both teams having shitters one can have self awareness

If this is the case then their shitter is actually BETTER then YOUR shitter. Their MMR is NOT the same. You are creating a scenario where the teams are no longer MMR balanced. Your retard is on his way down while their retard is on his way up. That should be happening. In a fair and balanced game.

This scenario you are describing however inst common, people progressively get better and more aware they don't take 200 point jumps in their "real" MMR compaired to their in game MMR. The difference is most likely minuet and the worst player having an eurika moment about what character to pick doesn't wildly change the outcome of the game.

Unless you are playing some beyond shit game where skill checks mean nothing compared to knowledge checks
Replies: >>714633014
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:20:50 AM No.714631013
1750966129041882
1750966129041882
md5: 7e6d68965876cea3682d432920cc160d๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
Name ONE (1) game where playing the meta is the most fun way to play.
Replies: >>714631169
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:22:38 AM No.714631130
>>714630798
Okay but I won and you are the loser so why would your opinion even matter?
Replies: >>714631439
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:22:50 AM No.714631147
>>714617672
Remember some faggot sperging out on the mic in CoD WWII because I kept killing him with a riot shield while he was trying to snipe. I only threw together a loadout to do the weekly mission which happened to require using the riot shield. He was mad because my zero effort random mission build was killing his dedicated tryhard quickscoping lmao.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:23:17 AM No.714631169
>>714631013
tetris
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:24:36 AM No.714631251
>>714615794
They can't balance around 100 heroes, so they nerf 90 of them to irrelevance and focus on balancing around the few that remain.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:24:48 AM No.714631264
>>714630557
In PVE games the people who use metabuilds off of google are usually complete and utter shit at games.
The sheer proportion of 0 vigor magic builds in elden ring multiplayer a few weeks after release was insane, invasions were comedy gold because you could watch the comet azure/sword of night and flame abusers scramble rolling and desperately spamming spells before dying in 1 hit.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:28:03 AM No.714631439
>>714631130
Because I'm not the one with my scalp split open draining blood and rapidly losing consciousness. Beating yourself up then declaring yourself the winner isn't a sound strategy. I'm actually almost appalled that I have to explain this to you.
Replies: >>714631828
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:30:35 AM No.714631586
>>714618267
If there exists a fun strategy that is good enough to win, people will still use it, even if it is only 99% as good as a boring meta strat that takes all the fun out of the game.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:32:30 AM No.714631718
>>714602642 (OP)
solved games are boring
don't play them
Replies: >>714631915
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:33:50 AM No.714631828
>>714631439
People play Lantern Control and that's almost as awful as that card
Replies: >>714632239
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:34:47 AM No.714631896
>>714602642 (OP)
Your desire to win isn't more important than my desire to play carry treant protector sorry.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:35:04 AM No.714631915
>>714631718
This.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:36:19 AM No.714632008
>>714602642 (OP)

This shit is why I just avoid all multiplayer games. I don't have the patience to babysit retarded manbabies.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:36:40 AM No.714632038
>>714602642 (OP)
>play fps game
>pick shotgun
>nooooo assault rifle is metaaaa
>im reporting you troll
>proceed to kick ass while the metafag cries
>nooo you cant do that
>win
Metafag shuts up and runs off.
>lose cause he throws himself out of tilt
Its your fault.
There is meta but also authistic hyper meta to the point people are so blinded by it they play shit and do not even understand why.
Replies: >>714634098
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:38:02 AM No.714632116
>>714602642 (OP)
Meta is only cool if you're playing the meta that you discovered or learned through experience. Googling "Whats the meta" and listening to some adderall "pro" faggot tell you exactly how to play makes you a shitter.
Man games were more fun before the internet. Fuck e-celebs, '"pro" gamers and streamers.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:40:10 AM No.714632239
>>714631828
brb getting my 40 lightning bolts and 20 dual lands (just to flex) deck
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:41:20 AM No.714632294
1582771099224
1582771099224
md5: 059b44edb06d6d5a33a8f6d2d618e201๐Ÿ”
Every thread about multiplayer being like this is why I will never touch multiplayer
Replies: >>714651781
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:53:20 AM No.714633014
>>714630947
the point I was making was that in games where both teams have an equivalent shitter the team whose shitter picks off meta has pretty high odds of having a miserable experience. people often forget that the people who most play offmeta are usually 1tricks and they genuinely mess with matchmaking because they are often 2-300 mmr below the rest of the lobby in game fundamentals. examples of this include: heimerdinger players in league,
gimmick hero mains in dota i.e. broodmother, chen,
genji mains in overwatch.
Ironically off meta players are the ones most reliant on knowledge checking people to get wins and its why it's rough to have them on your team once you reach ranks where counterpicking matters and the average player is skilled enough to avoid getting cheesed by them.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:04:47 AM No.714633721
>non meta means playing a build thats 100% antisynergies
why does the OP read like someone swapped out a single meta spell for one the personally preferred and they're pretending it's equivalent to going somewhere 30+ levels too high for you and running a melee mage?
Replies: >>714651781
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:04:50 AM No.714633724
>>714628480
This used to be case but now rank and matchmaking is 100% rigged and manipulated in every game so the whole thing is basically null and void.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:05:35 AM No.714633764
1740113710566179
1740113710566179
md5: 2fbf1d3dde7c629da21adefd259f28b8๐Ÿ”
>play without doing meta
>get to play however you want, actually have fun

>play with meta
>Only "allowed" to enjoy 2% of the entire game's content, because winning nonstop with little challenge is apparently all that matters
Yeah competitive drones need a brain check
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:07:22 AM No.714633860
>>714627162
Your mistake is in thinking that ASSFAGGOTS are a strategy game.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:10:52 AM No.714634075
>>714610194
TRVTH NVKE
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:11:24 AM No.714634098
>>714632038
what is this shower argument of a post, what fps game are you playing where people flame you for using shotguns?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:11:53 AM No.714634138
>>714602642 (OP)
Because its not fun
Im the kind of player that never rerolls
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:14:42 AM No.714634291
>>714602642 (OP)
If you have to make this extreme of an example to make "doing what you actually want to" seem bad, you've lost already
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:16:44 AM No.714634412
I remember as a kid when I discovered pokemon natures and spent so many hours getting pokemons with the right nature, then grinding EVs etc
It was fucking awful
Now I just roll with whatever the game throws my way, Im not competing in the world championship so what does it fucking matter?
Replies: >>714634623
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:20:04 AM No.714634623
>>714634412
Did you play against others often?
Replies: >>714634709
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:21:21 AM No.714634709
>>714634623
Not really only my brother and one friend this was back in gen 4, I just HAD to get them just right or they felt completely worthless, Im glad I got out of that mentality, I killed the fun for myself.
Replies: >>714634803
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:22:54 AM No.714634803
>>714634709
Yeah, you did sound like an idiot. The whole perfect natures etc. stuff only matters if you played cartridge a lot. Simulators solved this issue looong ago of course.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:25:52 AM No.714634984
>>714605783
anon is too stupid for theorycrafting
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:26:56 AM No.714635047
>>714602642 (OP)
cause its boring
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:28:07 AM No.714635116
If I dont win using my personal build/cards/character/whatever that I enjoy then its not winning
Winning using meta feels like cheating and like it misses the point
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:29:42 AM No.714635218
>>714610316
enrage timers on WoW bosses are so that you can't just take a whole raid of tanks and healers and be invincible
has nothing to do with bugmen playing grinder MMOs with 20 hour raid bosses
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:33:41 AM No.714635436
1751678851319662
1751678851319662
md5: 7ae3b905293768153ee788304433c6a7๐Ÿ”
>de_dust2 + ak/m4/awp every round
no thanks, see you on assault, militia, or 747. i'm using the np5navy or the ump45 or the 228 and there's literally nothing you can do to stop me nigger
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:43:40 AM No.714636067
>>714602642 (OP)
I find the meta
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 3:51:39 AM No.714636548
1739658458380263
1739658458380263
md5: 20d827531c46be5e3872039e95a68c90๐Ÿ”
>>714618389
It pisses me off that Gunlance is so low.
GUNLANCERS STRONG!
Replies: >>714638442 >>714642251
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:19:38 AM No.714638442
>>714636548
The funlance!
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:32:12 AM No.714639294
>>714602642 (OP)
Why do you hate games that the general public likes?
Same answer.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:40:19 AM No.714639806
>>714611257
>You explain all this to them and they get super pissy instead of trying to improve
I've only ever seen people get pissy because of the way they're spoken to, not the content of what is being said. If you act like a turd expect to be treated like one. Of course, that may not be what happened in your case.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:52:33 AM No.714640597
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image_2025-07-05_225220227
md5: ac87e6b84b5a98291878b0bd7a885dc7๐Ÿ”
>>714617325
>UH YOUR EXPERIENCE GROUNDED IN REALITY IS WRONG BECAUSE IS SAID SO
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 4:53:55 AM No.714640703
385483489_166017489886864_3707070458062640983_n
385483489_166017489886864_3707070458062640983_n
md5: cafaaa5497f6a4ca30ac5f9333d8375e๐Ÿ”
Because beating meta slaves with off meta tactics, items, weapons, builds, etc is the sweetest victory you can imagine

out.fucking.skilled.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:11:23 AM No.714641852
>>714628961
He's referring to the format.
>entire single player campaign is 1v1
>official tournament rules is 2v2
Make it make sense.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:18:41 AM No.714642251
>>714636548
IIRC gunlance jumped way up the dps list in Wilds solely because of the double AA flare combo giving it an actual combo for big openings.
Replies: >>714643578
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:24:58 AM No.714642653
>>714602642 (OP)
This is not what actually happens. What really happens is that metafags sort and throw a fit if you do anything remotely different from whatโ€™s optimal or try something new (until that thing also becomes meta then they pretend like it was always a good idea). They are just incurious NPC golems
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:27:27 AM No.714642810
>>714629632
It would be a mixed strategy where you pick one at random with certain probabilities. Given >>714629918
those probabilities shouldn't start out equal, but would be updated after each round in a Bayesian was. Against a rational opponent you'd approach the equilibrium strategy of equal probabilities, and against an irrational opponent you'd approach whatever strategy maximally exploits them.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:30:01 AM No.714642979
>>714602642 (OP)
>play Clair Obscur
>play on Expert
>Maelle is too busted so I stop using her
>Waiting to use my lumina tokens until I feel I need it
>game feels comfortably challenging
>can ease up on myself whenever I want if things get too rough
I might stop letting myself use the bench too, which kinda kills me because I've always thought it made no sense to not have that happen.
Might just stop upgrading Maelle's weapon until her damage output feels more sane instead.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:40:01 AM No.714643578
>>714642251
It's more that shelling scaled off your damage now rather then being a static value so half your moveset isn't just tickles to build gauge. Of course, they fucked up and now it does a bajillion damage, but Capcom has no concept of mechanics or balance so that's par for the course.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:40:15 AM No.714643589
>>714616605
dota is a game that is near impossible to 100% wr as a support unless your team is actually doing something instead of feeding.
so 100% wr is really an indictment on you

>>714616936
tell me how to stunlock as a dazzle

>>714617928
>gee willickers why is the casual fun format full of self regulating friends more popular than the intense competitve nature of a 1v1

>>714618046
mtg has a couple of unavoidable problems.
1 its designed to be played competitively and that means that good players build good decks and play well, that makes new players and dunning krugers seethe.
2 mana is actually a good way to add variance to make match ups interesting but like getting crit by an enemy in a roguelite just feels awful
3 mtg is the best game for fans of game design and thus those tinkerers will scour sets for arcane synergies that are impossible for the game to predict
4 even if you could predict them a set with nothing powerful is just boring, you have to ban a few eggs to have exciting cards to pull
5 mtg is a commercial product so they cant band marquee cards like the one ring just to save the format because it sells, and more importantly the players playing it could drop the game if its banned. so bans are way sparser than they should.
6 even banning things just leaves a hole for the next obnoxious thing or new broken combo in a coming set

its defintely not that gandalf was turned into a nigger tho.
Replies: >>714644005
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:42:35 AM No.714643727
>>714618808
mtg is a very casual game for decades the data comes back that the most popular format is 'cards i own played on a kitchen table' years ago the 2nd was draft and now the 2nd is EDH.

smogon is only competitve, literal apples and oranges comparison here.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:44:32 AM No.714643823
>>714602642 (OP)
I've wondered for ages why /v/cels cope a bunch about games having metas and how they are totes special snowflakes and unique for not playing them.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:46:34 AM No.714643951
>>714602642 (OP)
because playing the same way as everyone else isn't as interesting as messing with stuff myself
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:47:42 AM No.714644005
>>714643589
Dazzles a strange bird, but your best best is going wind spirit/sythe of vyse. Ofc you need to be doing well to afford the latter but I would probably just go push stick. I donโ€™t think he has any stuns, but you could go demonic breastplate and the stunning blade on top of that as well. Q into the stun blade and then when they come out use sythe KekW
Then use storm spirit to hold them until your team arrives
Replies: >>714644203
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:51:28 AM No.714644203
>>714644005
dazzle having no stuns was my point m8. hes also great even if he does 0 dmg because of grave. its also why off meta picks can work really well in dota because a meta team that normally dumpsters dazzle could leave an oppurtunity for dazzle to succeed if they dont have the counters.

complaining about meta in dota is absolutely retarded unless youre well above archon. dota is just one of those games where you can lose in draft
Replies: >>714651642
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:53:24 AM No.714644304
Meta usually only matters at top level play and most people are not top level
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 5:57:59 AM No.714644560
>>714602642 (OP)
The discovery of finding my own way to play is always more entertaining than pandering to a bunch of screeching autistic retards who want me to skip all that fun and play the game the "right" way. I don't care if it's a solved problem, solving it myself is more interesting.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:02:14 AM No.714644809
>>714602876
Anti metafags are normally like this though. They try to conceptualize their own unique build only for it to be polar opposite of anything good. There's stuff that's innovative that shouldn't work but does, there's stuff on the path to success but stays slightly off course and isn't as powerful. Then there's the average meta complainer that can't put together a cohesive idea together to save their own life. And then intentionally piss and shit themselves when someone following the meta absolutely rapes them, and would still rape them even if they did some offbrand shit. It's MOSTLY just cope from people that fundamentally can't/actively choose not to learn the game they're playing.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:04:27 AM No.714644956
>>714602642 (OP)
For me, itโ€™s being so autistically good at a game that I can play outside of the meta and still carry the game. Thatโ€™s the sign of a real man.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:05:19 AM No.714645006
>>714602642 (OP)
Meta is the death of fun, mystery and exploration.
Solving a game is a big part of the fun. Looking up someone else's solutions is boring as fuck and meta creep in multiplayer makes it boring for everyone else too.
And this doesn't apply to everyone, but there is a subset of metafags who act like looking up somebody else's answers makes them superior to people who actually engage with the game themselves, and that's a level of retardation so profound we don't have a word for it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:06:31 AM No.714645086
>>714602642 (OP)
What a gay straw man comic
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:06:51 AM No.714645102
>>714622837
>meta decks become highly refined to get a 1% edge on the weird synergistic meta deck
>thus its playing bad cards that are only good in the meta
>win becuase you didnt play the good deck but played against a deck thats only viable against the meta
keep patting yourself for 'outplaying' them bud
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:14:05 AM No.714645551
>>714602642 (OP)
Metafagging pissed me off a decade ago in LoL.
>Cool, summoner spells!
>There's so many of them too!
>Hey anon you picked flash, right?
>Huh, why? There's so many other ones, I want to try the bonus runspeed one!
>Pick flash, idiot
>WHY!?
>BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST ONE
>Every fucking match everyone uses only flash
>Never saw any of the others used a single time
>Every competition-fag used it too
Excessive meta bullshit ruins games because what's the point of a game when you ignore 90% of it's content?
Replies: >>714646047
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:16:52 AM No.714645730
>>714623557
goats is entirely because of how strong healing in OW is compared to other games. even in tf2 where the team with a medic always wins people just dont play medic. and how you have to make bulky tanks excel in cqc. goats forces cqc but try to run a huge line of tanks in other games and watch them get ripped apart by dps that OUTSUSTAINS healers. rivals feels really guilty of this shit.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:22:16 AM No.714646047
>>714645551
You can take 2 summoner spells though. So Flash + 1 other, depending on your role. Though if Riot were smart they would've just made Flash an innate ability every champion has and not a summoner spell.
Replies: >>714646940
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:38:27 AM No.714646940
>>714646047
Everyone took Flash and the one which killed either jungle creatures or heroes.
No exceptions.
Replies: >>714648421
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:52:33 AM No.714647627
>WoW SoD.
>Shockadin with mixed Priest gear and Mage rings/trinkets
>Strength enchantments on gear and weapons.
>Seal Twisting.
When done right, it's fun, and the horde don't expect it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:55:08 AM No.714647746
>lvl 2 vs lvl 35
That's a level difference not the meta
Replies: >>714648348
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:55:17 AM No.714647758
Because Meta is meant to be broken, you are subjecting yourself to cointoss victories if you do not find a way to break the mold.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:57:04 AM No.714647853
1749707662122119
1749707662122119
md5: 30e5dc3c14a60697d7d3c807fd4f471a๐Ÿ”
>singleplayer RPG
>devs intentionally dont make enemies OP as fuck but leave in synergies that allow players to break the game
>players literally cannot stop themselves from only abusing the most busted shit ever for 99% of the game
>proceed to complain the game is too samey and easy while never ever experimenting with other playstyles or builds
Replies: >>714647965
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:57:20 AM No.714647870
fucking hate you people
fucking hate you people
md5: fc3d923ae42c581c5837d1dea0b1b9c6๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
>want to play battlefield 1
>every rp server is dead and only places left are normie cesspools
>try to have fun anyway with my shitty rifles like a true ww1 soldier
>get raped by everyone on the other team using fucking machine guns
Genuinely hate it, I want to enjoy gritty ww1 kino why do I have to deal with COD players in juggernaut suits with fucking smgs, 5 was better anyway
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:57:46 AM No.714647891
WHO DO YOU VOODOO BITCH
WHO DO YOU VOODOO BITCH
md5: b278f78ce38d847d7fd2ca9c7d8a0655๐Ÿ”
>Who do some people
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:58:47 AM No.714647942
>>714602642 (OP)
>Play Fishing Pole Wizard
>Score little to no points but annoy the ever living fuck out of the enemy team with bullshit
>It causes them to seethe on forums later.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 6:59:14 AM No.714647965
>>714647853
>youโ€™re supposed to on babby easy mode only, like me
Replies: >>714648170
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:01:45 AM No.714648109
>>714622457
> the actual single player meta is completely detached from the official competitive meta

Because single player competitive evolved organically on its own and was well established long before official tournaments ever became a thing. This, coupled with the fact that "official" competitive is doubles, which has never been anything more than a small niche in actual pokemon games (besides colosseum), meant that it never really felt legitimate compared to what was already long established by the fans on their own, going back to the netbattle days and before.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:02:41 AM No.714648170
1720992608405360
1720992608405360
md5: 7ea48c3753d40eee72405dd91f73e8bf๐Ÿ”
>>714647965
>outing yourself as a shitter by thinking only the most meta strats are viable on the highest difficulties
Replies: >>714650891
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:04:04 AM No.714648245
Is there a multiplayer game where things depreciate over time so you can't really meta? Maybe the more people use something the faster it plummets and it only goes back up when less people use it
Replies: >>714648516 >>714649590
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:05:23 AM No.714648326
>>714603083

The only good take in this thread.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:05:39 AM No.714648348
>>714647746
>That's a level difference not the meta
I think it's implying he's having trouble leveling up because his build sucks, but yeah that's a bit dumb
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:06:17 AM No.714648385
>>714621428
Yeah, taking PvP too serious in souls really ruined it in the long run. It's lame how PvP has been forced into a ghetto, where you either go into lame arena honor duels or you pointlessly attack dedicated ganks where there's nothing on the line because none of the dungeons in later games like ER have long difficult stretches between bonfires. There's really no "griefing" in a game like ER. And without griefing, there's really no point to invasions.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:06:34 AM No.714648405
>>714602642 (OP)
>plays top tier
>rapes all the off-meta people
heh... looks like im having fun at your expense
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:06:44 AM No.714648421
>>714646940
nah a lot of top laners would take either teleport or ghost, and heal and exhaust were both commonly picked for supports
the others were actually just genuinely garbage like clairvoyance or surge
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:08:14 AM No.714648516
>>714648245
In such a system, I can see really desperate compfags using bots or multiple accounts etc to sandbag certain items, manipulating them down and forcing other things up.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:08:20 AM No.714648524
>>714621428
>it should only be seen as funny griefing
Sen's fortress with a Dragonslayer Bow and Force...home.
Replies: >>714648576
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:08:27 AM No.714648531
>>714603213

The third option is for the game to be designed to be flexible enough so that one doesn't have to pick the most optimal choices in order to feasibly get out to the other side. Optimization is fine, but if you're demanded to follow meta-builds in order to see the game, something's wrong.
Replies: >>714650824
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:09:15 AM No.714648576
sens knight
sens knight
md5: 381b4d43d0c67f14e639eae27705a8b8๐Ÿ”
>>714648524
absolute cinema
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:10:39 AM No.714648656
aasimar crusader
aasimar crusader
md5: bafbf18b1c8b2dee2e792449f164e90b๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
I don't like playing meta when the meta goes against what the class or character is actually supposed to be about

>Uh... the meta build for the wizard class is to go into swords and not use magic
Fuck right off.

For instance, I absolutely understood all the paladin players who absolutely refused to go into healing back in Vanilla WoW because who the fuck rolls a paladin to be a healer? Vanilla WoW might have been the only game in existence to make the paladin class a primary healer, and I understand the players who refused to go along with it.

If I'm playing as a paladin, I want to be a holy warrior that smites evil and protects his friends.
If I'm playing as a fighter or a warrior or whatever, I want to hit the dudes with my sword.
If I'm playing as a wizard, I want to cast spells.
If I'm playing as a cleric or a priest, I want to heal, buff and do various other "holy" things.
If I'm playing as a rogue or a thief, I want to sneak around and murder dudes.
If I'm playing as a ranger or archer, I want to shoot dudes with my bow.
If I'm playing as a summoner, I want to summon dudes to fight for me.
If I'm playing as a witch or a warlock, I want lots of evil spells and hexes.
If I'm playing as a monk, I want to be a kung fu master.
So on and so forth.

And the "meta" can absolutely go FUCK itself if it doesn't let me do that.
Replies: >>714650551 >>714652167
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:21:50 AM No.714649215
For single-player games there needs to be a good balance. If the game is too strict and punishing, where there's basically only a single "meta" way to play the game feasibly, that's not good, because why even having build choices and playstyle decisions if there's only one correct answer. But at the same time, if a game is too easy, then a lot of a game's systems and mechanics just end up being completely wasted, because players will just take the path of least resistance.

The perfect example of the latter problem is pokemon. Pokemon has a surprisingly complex battling system. But the in-game teams and AI is so braindead awful that there's no point in actually bothering with team composition, strategies, etc. Why bother with tanks and leech seeders and hazard setters when you can just send out your starter and hit the opponent's five bidoofs with generic STAB attacks until they're all dead?
Replies: >>714661416
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:29:30 AM No.714649590
erebus
erebus
md5: 01ca7b9bef9c87ffeea2d8479414d8a4๐Ÿ”
>>714621776
This still happens in AoE II from time to time. The Persian douche is an old strategy that despite being easily removable by the devs if they ever chose - still exists even after 25 years since the winning move is to not fight it.

>>714648245
Not in the same context as a truly competitive game, but Path of Exile has incredibly volatile balancing between leagues. It is however a forced means by the devs to get people to plot out something new to use for the next three months. Some games seemingly experiment with rotating map layouts each day, week, or month depending on its scope, so people don't have years to learn them like they do with Aerowalk or de_dust - though the tools are often more or less the same.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:31:47 AM No.714649696
>>714602876
>they mocked him because he unleashed the truth nvked
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:33:31 AM No.714649771
>>714609610
>my class does 2% less dps than another?
With blizzard it was notoriously bad. Differences of 30% or greater, and around cataclysm they began removing all the niche utility every low-dps class brought.
It completely bricked both PvP and PvE in retail, and the game hasn't been the same since.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:42:20 AM No.714650207
pregnantmanemoji
pregnantmanemoji
md5: c05f88ff9702624f3456363218ad845a๐Ÿ”
>hurr durr solved game
no such thing, just games that people are done exploring. plenty of examples of old maintainence mode games that see huge meta shifts even without major updates, see: broodwar, melee, minecraft pvp, chess. try not being pic related for once in your shitty worthless lives.
Replies: >>714650482 >>714651418
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:44:57 AM No.714650365
meta builds are almost always glass canons
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:46:56 AM No.714650470
>>714625993
>>714624635
>>714624201
>>714626549
The more I hear about "league of legend" the gladder I am to have never bothered trying it.
It sounds like those cheapass phonegame that are actually glorified gambling machine.

The meta problem is also what killed the RTS genre.
Replies: >>714654345
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:47:14 AM No.714650482
1729513202547936
1729513202547936
md5: 67f7de54a62b846e972d73c7123b3600๐Ÿ”
>>714650207
Minecraft PVP... has a meta?
Replies: >>714650915
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:48:43 AM No.714650551
>>714648656
Have you played WoW Season of Discovery? Its Vanilla WoW but different. The Paladin is viable as a DPS and Tank now.
>Paladin Heals can be fucking OP.
>Seal Twisting and the right judgement can cause insane burst.
>Concecrate and Exorcism can now hit everything, and deal double damage to demons and undead
>So can Holy Shock, and with the right runes, it can refresh itself immediately for a 100% mana return and near instant cast when paired with exorcism, making Shockadins somewhat viable
Replies: >>714654760
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:51:03 AM No.714650658
Elden Ring 2024.08.05 - 17.29.16.09.DVR_thumb.jpg
Elden Ring 2024.08.05 - 17.29.16.09.DVR_thumb.jpg
md5: fa212ced26c1c0bfbd9de3a7396afbab๐Ÿ”
>>714621428
>not enjoying RP invasions
your loss
Replies: >>714650881
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:54:48 AM No.714650824
>>714603213
>Because people just wanna have fun doing their own thing. They bought the game so they should be allowed to do what they want. But, I wont lieโ€ฆ not playing the meta is no different from being anti-conformist and it hurts your team (faggots who only care about winning). It all comes down to being a selfish dick head or being a team player that bows to metafags who only care about winning. The optimal choice depends on your personality
Then don't play a multiplayer game, no one wants to deal with a dipshit.
>>714648531
>The third option is for the game to be designed to be flexible enough so that one doesn't have to pick the most optimal choices in order to feasibly get out to the other side. Optimization is fine, but if you're demanded to follow meta-builds in order to see the game, something's wrong.
Then the game will be easy and no one will bother with it, increases in difficulty will produce a narrow range of right answers, you use them or you lose. If you want to play a casual game casually go do that, don't whine that you make stupid choices because you don't want to win.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:55:48 AM No.714650881
>>714650658
Nice timing on the target switch.
Replies: >>714651492
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:56:02 AM No.714650889
1544113151624
1544113151624
md5: 571ff0a0166508ee59698730a2f03f60๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
Because kicking your ass with a D-tier character and listening to you cope and melt down is hilarious.
Replies: >>714650954
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:56:04 AM No.714650891
>>714648170
This.
Meta strats are only the most expedient strategies. It doesn't mean they're the only path to victory.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:56:32 AM No.714650915
>>714650482
minecraft pvp goes way harder in the paint than you think. go check out some hardcore bedwars players or some shit.
Replies: >>714651656
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:56:34 AM No.714650918
>>714622457
Doubles is the solution to a problem that gamefreak chooses to ignore: stalling is super easy in pokemon, but it's slightly less viable in doubles. Plus, single battle 6v6 take way too long, at least in doubles there's plenty of moves and strategies to take out both of the opponent's pokemon at the same time.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:56:51 AM No.714650930
mixing splats
mixing splats
md5: 6705183a6caffd787bb2b2a2dbfafe2b๐Ÿ”
>>714630386
>If Magic released a card that said "Slam your face on the table: Deal 1 damage to each opponent" players would give themselves concussions
Not if I counter it with my single-use "Cancel whatever the opponent did" card, which I have to burn each time I play them (which is why they are bought in bulk).
I just wish we could put them to the gravyard without having to burn them too.
Replies: >>714651045 >>714651076 >>714651265 >>714651354 >>714652407 >>714652482 >>714652914
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:57:29 AM No.714650954
>>714650889
Why is Ganondorf sporting the Chad Hair?
Replies: >>714651000
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:57:58 AM No.714650981
file
file
md5: 4715b2aba594e5bbe6608343a7acda56๐Ÿ”
>>714602876
(you)
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:58:20 AM No.714651000
>>714650954
Ganondorf is literally born into a 1000-to-1 harem every single reincarnation.
Replies: >>714651023
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:58:53 AM No.714651023
>>714651000
I didn't know that.
That total beast.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 7:59:24 AM No.714651045
>>714650930
This is easy if the colt isn't actually loaded (the image would've mentioned) then the man on the PEDs will win with a good fist to the face. Black could counteract by attempting to pistol whip white but the PEDs would likely help him avoid that.
White wins.
Replies: >>714652407
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:00:05 AM No.714651076
>>714650930
You say this as a joke, but I think it would be hilarious if they really made a 0 mana instant negate that you have to light on fire, and tournament refs have to enforce it.
Replies: >>714652914
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:01:35 AM No.714651148
>>714602642 (OP)
Your retarded comic doesn't make it clear why you think they should.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:02:32 AM No.714651203
>>714602642 (OP)
Metafags are insufferable
>NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PLAY THIS GAME IN THIS ONE OPTIMAL WAY EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF WAYS TO PLAY IT NOOOOOOOO REEEEEEEE
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:03:33 AM No.714651261
>>714602642 (OP)
Meta sweatlords are gay
like actual homosexual bottom gay
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:03:36 AM No.714651265
>>714650930
Player 3 who has 3 copies of Pot of Greed (allows you to draw 3 cards)
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:05:15 AM No.714651345
GKZQhHOW0AApgcB
GKZQhHOW0AApgcB
md5: 136a40ac105d276b9196f771a37286f4๐Ÿ”
I just think playing the meta is a pretty fucking boring way to play a game, I play for fun and if I find a build fun I'll do that above doing the meta. Sure if I'm achievement hunting I'll try the meta but 9/10 I'm going for a fun build over anything else
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:05:24 AM No.714651354
>>714650930
>only .22 lol
The guy on drugs won't even feel the bullets. The guy with a Colt was given a false sense of confidence.
Replies: >>714651525 >>714652407
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:06:30 AM No.714651418
1363408021978
1363408021978
md5: 0dafb771c41268417e6397fddb3499f5๐Ÿ”
>>714650207
>decide to check Gen IV Pokรฉmon meta for old time's sake
>recall that most dragons got banned, checks out
>find Machamp also banned because the current userbase hates forcing confusion
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:07:54 AM No.714651492
unknown_replay_2025.06.14-17.02_thumb.jpg
unknown_replay_2025.06.14-17.02_thumb.jpg
md5: 425e8fb5d9b8d03687d9c70f3f791c9f๐Ÿ”
>>714650881
thenk u
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:08:27 AM No.714651525
>>714651354
How did you come to be a skeleton, anon?
Replies: >>714651653
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:08:30 AM No.714651526
>>714608854
Tale as old as time
>fags: hurrdurr you suck Anon
>me: that's odd I'm spending half the match shit talking and I'm on top of the scoreboard
Hilarious.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:10:31 AM No.714651642
>>714644203
I know the point you were trying to make, I was trying to say that despite characters having inherent flaws like dazzle having no stuns, they can still make up for it with certain items like sheep stick.Or for example if the dazzle absolutely crushes the lane and somehow Carries the game, which Iโ€™ve never seen because the base stats of certain characters just scale so much better into mid game. I mean the most braindead troll warlord is going to crush a dazzle. if you took an axe with no items and a dazzle with no items at 30 minutes the axe would probably win, just too much armor and hp and would execute dazzle probably before he could kill him. But thatโ€™s the whole draw of MOBAs is that you have champions that will always be stronger than others. Metafagging in this case is cancer because why would you ever not play a carry? Youโ€™re just gimping yourself to stroke the ego of the damage dealer.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:10:48 AM No.714651653
>>714651525
You are inside a skeleton right now
Replies: >>714651972
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:10:57 AM No.714651656
>>714650915
>watch spastics flail their arms at each other
Nah I'm good. No amount of "skill" will make Minecraft interesting to watch.
Replies: >>714652180
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:10:59 AM No.714651659
SimCity Advisor
SimCity Advisor
md5: babce761652147ceb1fa7280b3257b54๐Ÿ”
>DS3
>Everyone uses meta build
>Use Whip
>Weapon so random and obtuse no one has beaten me since no one is insane enough to use it.
it just works
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:13:18 AM No.714651781
Multiplayer Matchmaking
Multiplayer Matchmaking
md5: 83f4036bf70c57fa0abb4af9bd40c593๐Ÿ”
>>714632294
>Every thread about multiplayer being like this is why I will never touch multiplayer
The problem is entirely the fault of "competitive" play and eSport mentality
"NO RNG FUN ALLOWED!!! THIS GAME MUST DEFINE WHICH OF US HAVE THE BIGGEST META!!!!"
(then devs manipulate the matchmaker to enforce 50-50)

>>714633721
OP pic wasr made by a meta fag trying to make himself look smarter & aware, with the anti-meta as self-absorbed.
Replies: >>714652895
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:17:21 AM No.714651972
>>714651653
damn, those necromancers are a crafty bunch
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:21:23 AM No.714652167
dbhzomb-04f20ceb-6c58-4785-ad5f-d8ec0e16839b
dbhzomb-04f20ceb-6c58-4785-ad5f-d8ec0e16839b
md5: fd41b082d377a63c1d2724a3a687bb81๐Ÿ”
>>714648656
>If I'm playing as *****, I want to *****
Reporting you for lowering my rank
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:21:31 AM No.714652180
>>714651656
behold: the average casual who complains about "meta."
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:26:39 AM No.714652407
>>714651045
>>714651354
You anti-colt fag forget >>714650930 illegal number of rooks
He has the of illegality on your side, you can replace pawn with extra bullet as you wish.
I'd be afraid of the red pawn tho.
Replies: >>714652482 >>714652528
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:28:25 AM No.714652482
>>714652407
>You anti-colt fag forget >>714650930 illegal number of rooks
>He has the of illegality on your side, you can replace pawn with extra bullet as you wish.
>I'd be afraid of the red pawn tho.
You're a retard you just remove the rooks from the board after you knock him out dumbass.
Replies: >>714653130
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:29:30 AM No.714652528
>>714652407
If any of those white lands are Ondu Inversion then all those rooks are going bye bye.
Replies: >>714653130
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:38:02 AM No.714652895
1751358900324465
1751358900324465
md5: 382bf83bc76651701489476c73fd4554๐Ÿ”
>>714651781
Replies: >>714654069
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:38:24 AM No.714652914
>>714651076
I said this because it was the most obvious money milking bullshit I could imagine.
More realistically, this card would only be allowed "once per play" "can't be regenerated" so you'd either have multiple card or be a loser who don't.

Funnier one
>>714650930
>"Slam your face on the table: Deal 1 damage to each opponent"
Play the card
>If your opponent slam his face on the table right after you did, the damage is cancelled and you take damage
NOW we would reach peak Magic.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:41:12 AM No.714653036
>>714602642 (OP)
>the natural progress of trying what you think might work and slowly learning from your mistakes and improving, aka. playing the game
>NUH-UH FUCK YOU, GO WATCH THREE GUIDES BEFORE YOU GET RANDOMLY ASSIGNED TO MY TEAM OR I MIGHT GET MAD FROM LOSING
Metashitters are cancer
Replies: >>714653134 >>714653146
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:43:09 AM No.714653130
>>714652482
>You're a retard
I will concede that constructive point well made but
>you just remove the rooks from the board after you knock him out dumbass.
completely ignore that Heart of a champion would make it impossible to knock him out

>>714652528
>sorcery card played as a land
Illegality is on the other side tho.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:43:13 AM No.714653134
>>714653036
>Oh you wanna play a strategy game?
>Step 1 fuck strategy/thinking memorize the fuck out of a build order, and play the same way 24/7 until it's burnt into your muscle memory
>Step 2 climb 80% of the ranked ladder to finally reach a stage where strategy is involved
>Step 2 can take 6-8 months
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:43:26 AM No.714653146
>>714653036
FFXIV speedrunners ruin raids for new players.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:43:46 AM No.714653161
>>714602642 (OP)
posted it again award
Replies: >>714653212
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:44:50 AM No.714653212
>>714653161
posted posted it again again reward
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:51:04 AM No.714653528
1657773634507
1657773634507
md5: 6e2e03eef1c0688e1c488d6c71e5190b๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:54:24 AM No.714653682
I'm allergic to meta. Always pick anything but it. Call me a snowflake I dont care but I just hate the idea of being a trend following npc. The most fun you can have in a video game is coming up with your own strategies and gradually improving
Replies: >>714653841
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 8:57:17 AM No.714653841
>>714653682
this. If your strategies work well enough they eventually become the meta and no one knows how to counter it better than you do

>t. fag who created the nearly one hit kill rocket meta in Loadout before the game died
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:01:00 AM No.714654041
>>714602642 (OP)
The "meta" has to ban anything funny or fun to please autistic people that are too autistic to accept that they lost the autism battle which competitive video games are at the end of the day. Everything banned in Pokรฉmon, everything banned in Smash, its fucking wild to me that it took so long for smashfags to realize that Sonic can just run away
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:01:24 AM No.714654069
>>714652895
Nice bait,
The troll head really is a nice bait but that's not how it was back then.

Troll: teamkill, ruin others' effort and reach schadenfreude nirvana
Stoner: play as they feel like it without caring if it works
Compet fag: constantly blaming others player for not winning
Normal: Just want to have fun

Modern era troll are now more subtle because games are built to make the obvious trolling method impossible
Stoner are rotated as forced win opponents
Compet fag are rotated as forced loss opponents
Normal player quit because the matchmaking prevent player from adapting to what the team was doing wrong, unless they follow the meta
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:02:05 AM No.714654106
Who dictates the meta?
Replies: >>714654185 >>714655206 >>714655316
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:03:26 AM No.714654185
>>714654106
Suits
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:05:22 AM No.714654301
meta
meta
md5: b720f89195d554e2cd0cd166c38034e0๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
Replies: >>714659910 >>714661457
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:06:03 AM No.714654339
>>714602642 (OP)
It's a teenage thing. I didn't want to admit it either, but with experience it simply became obvious that for every activity in the world there is an objectively better way to do it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:06:07 AM No.714654345
>>714626549
They still force people to play >jungle so yeah the devs in charge got more and more retarded and panic the fuck out the moment something breaks their little scheme
>>714650470
No one asked for your "opinion" but ok
Replies: >>714655230
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:10:10 AM No.714654561
1731732986318512
1731732986318512
md5: 73bd4be23265126c436d64bdcf36a4da๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
This jak comic is still of fucking point.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:13:03 AM No.714654721
1737067267393591
1737067267393591
md5: a6ecd9f5107fa053997a1a2f19dd3b25๐Ÿ”
>>714625954
I like all coastal orientals (japanese, koreans, upper class chinks). They have manners, because of the mask thing. You can't do much anything serious with them because they are physically, genetically unable to state accurate facts. But interactions at stores, streets, public transit are always pleasant.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:13:46 AM No.714654760
>>714650551
I haven't tried it, though I heard they had fixed paladins a bit in it.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:19:33 AM No.714655040
the nigger word
the nigger word
md5: 53a89bcfdf0d02df989547da3bd53a52๐Ÿ”
>>714619937
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:23:06 AM No.714655206
>>714654106
The people who are able to consistently stay in the top competitive player rank.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:23:36 AM No.714655230
>>714654345
>No one asked for your "opinion" but ok
OP did. My answer is on topic.
Yours however... you want to have a (You) I guess?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:25:16 AM No.714655316
>>714654106
No one, it's just the mathematical result of shit solved game
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:26:13 AM No.714655357
>>714602642 (OP)
Why does the artist need to draw the hair on the lvl 35 guy's tummy
Is that detail really that important to the story that he wanted to tell
Replies: >>714655513
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:27:17 AM No.714655405
1726250060467626
1726250060467626
md5: 71415814b85f5ba4ff436d291bdcc271๐Ÿ”
So why don't these computer games, RTS, LoL, whatever, use randomized starting conditions? I'm not talking about sudden random events (like drawing a card), but random situations that are displayed at the start of the match, with everyone having 100% info about what was randomized? This prevents stale meta and is the standard method used for decades in thousands of different board games.

Is it because computer games are mass entertainment and such hard IQ checks would destroy the egos of you all?
Replies: >>714655623 >>714657484
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:29:36 AM No.714655513
>>714655357
Yes to illustrate the point how the Lv. 35 meta gaming maul user is unbathed fat ass who never leaves his mother's basement at age 30 or so even to as much as to take a shower in real life.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:32:04 AM No.714655623
>>714655405
Each random element needs to be worth it to be used against the other element and no element can have a meta one upmanship over the rest or its just a gambling game at that point.

eSports wants to minimize randomness in order to be viable in countries where gambling is a banned form of gaming unless its gambling matches based on a skill based sport like conditions where the main skill minimizes the outcome dependency on the luck factor since this is an avenue which isn't usually regulated by gambling agencies in those countries and forced out of business.
Replies: >>714657560 >>714657771
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:33:25 AM No.714655690
>>714602876
Based
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:38:26 AM No.714655923
>>714617672
GW2? I just ignore the achievements and occasionally check them for a "oh i've only done 150 warhorn kills ever" informative moment
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:41:39 AM No.714656085
1556029918814
1556029918814
md5: c79d53a4b60cc839a358c7369c128045๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
>>714602772
>>714602876
If you're playing a game where you are accountable solely for yourself (fighting game, single player game, etc), then who gives a fuck about meta, play as you like.
If you're playing a game where your performance affects your assigned teammates, intentionally playing in a manner that you know is likely to lose the game for your team is a pretty faggy move.

Simple as.
Replies: >>714656131
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:42:49 AM No.714656131
>>714656085
Just don't play non-meta in ranked, play casually in a casual lobby or with friends lol.
Replies: >>714659010
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:44:35 AM No.714656207
>>714602642 (OP)
if the meta is seeing what other people are doing and adapting to that, that's fine
if the meta is reading some out of game resource or watching a commentary then you're a filthy guide user and officially gamefaqs user tier, you snot nosed little faggot
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:47:18 AM No.714656338
>>714602642 (OP)
It's impossible to balance a game perfectly and eventually a game will become so played out that it's "meta" will be established and if you want to be as effective as possible then you play with that in mind. This really only upsets players imo that have little to no experience, or if they do have experience then it was them dicking around for 1000s of hours. If you go and play any modern multiplayer game the strategies have been played to death and there have probably already been numerous explanations as to why the game is played the way it is, but with video content slop being produced so frequently, it gets buried under 50 lbs of shit and the video needs to be remade for the 100th time to get it across to newfaggots. Multiplayer video games are fun and competition is fun, but I think the problem is players treating pick-up game services like faceit or matchmaking ladders seriously when the most effective way to learn is to create a team and discuss strategies together and go in-depth. Nobody ever does this though, they unconsciously queue into matches 12 hours a day, lose repeatedly, don't learn shit and ragequit then make threads like this where they bitch and moan instead of applying a fraction of knowledge to the game. It's just a fucking video game and doesn't really mean anything anyways, you're not playing for money, just arbitrary ranks.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:49:29 AM No.714656442
Meta play is for low skill chuds. Mid players who have played long enough to have learned the meta on how to win but without fully understanding why. There are a couple of games I have thousands and thousands of hours in, where I'm head and shoulders above the average player and a fair bit above even most skilled players, and in those games I threw out the meta ages ago. I have enough of an instinctive understanding of the game, what works and what doesn't, and how to play, that I can play however I want. I play with novel strategies all the time. I can afford to make mistakes because I am that good and I will still be carrying your fat ass. No I will not play the exact way you want. No I will not vote to remove the novice player from the party. Yes I will work around their flaws and still win. You wish you were good enough to play like this.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 9:57:19 AM No.714656815
1523429512572
1523429512572
md5: 5ea054ecb3ed11a3c27188db25f00f17๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
>play TF2 MvM
>it's just an Advanced mission, nothing too hard
>pick Medic with stock Uber
>"pro" player starts talking to me like a child and telling me I have to pick Kritzkrieg
>acquiesce and it's fine, though not what I prefer
>another player is using Sniper, not doing horrible but not playing their best (damage is comparable to the other players when usually Sniper leads damage by a mile)
>"pro" player starts screeching at them to switch classes even though we haven't lost a wave yet
>get to final wave, lose twice
>he gets the team to votekick the Sniper
>tells team to votekick the next guy who joins because "he has a pro player coming"
>second "pro" is just as condescending
>we win and the first guy starts gloating about "winning first try after we kicked the retard sniper"
This is why people hate metafags. It's not the meta itself, though depending on the game the meta can be unfun, it's people taking shit so seriously that it ruins things for other players
If you want everyone on your team to play like there's a bomb strapped to your chest form a premade group of likeminded people, don't matchmake and inflict that on normal dudes
Replies: >>714657815
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:08:44 AM No.714657320
1528770019952
1528770019952
md5: 14a8e5f66476acc77c5bcb0da2756a72๐Ÿ”
>>714630713
>tfw the character you play is statistically picked less often than the game's random select
>tfw you do something you know is punishable but the opponent will blunder and get hit by because it's a weird move and even players capable of getting top 8 in tournies get hit by it
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:12:39 AM No.714657484
>>714655405
>So why don't these computer games, RTS, LoL, whatever, use randomized starting conditions?
Autistic compet fag reject any form of randomness.
Editor also want to milk the free-advertising from making "eSport" game. Meaning a fake illusion of "fairness", in symmetric map, both side having the sames troops and so on.
Also, RNG mechanics or NPC would require the developers to actually spend money on game-design and gameplay when they can just do the minimum.

>Is it because computer games are mass entertainment and such hard IQ checks would destroy the egos of you all?
The opposite,
Competitive fag believe (their) games are simplistic, because THEY are the high IQ super-genius who can follow the meta (someone else found for them).
Things like needing to adapt environmental to new conditions in real time is "entertainment crap for casuals".
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:14:13 AM No.714657560
>>714655623
I don't think you properly understood what I was suggesting.

All of the randomized conditions would be displayed before the start of the match. Give everyone a minute or so to study, depending on how much there is. There would be no random events of any kind during the actual match. Everything would always give fixed guaranteed end result, like chess.

Of course you could still have all kinds of randomization, I like well made, entertaining decks of cards. Just that it's not needed for my argument at this time.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:16:55 AM No.714657702
>>714657484
>Autistic compet fag reject any form of randomness.
no they don't.
There are good and bad kinds of randomness in games, having incredibly high variance outcomes sucks, having ways you have a chance to take advantage of is usually loved.
imagine an vs where there is a temporary part of the round that makes everyone move twice as fast and respawn twice as fast vs giving double points for a kill, one of them feels dogshit as the gameplays differently and you need to relearn a lot of things while the other encourages you to more carefully engage with the game despite realistically having similar outcomes.

dota is pretty much the best example of a very competitive game that has a lot of randomness and is loved for it.
like card games exist and are played competitive so its kind of retarded to say that.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:16:56 AM No.714657704
>>714612678
Sure thing paltard
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:18:28 AM No.714657771
>>714655623
>eSports wants to minimize randomness in order to be viable in countries where gambling is a banned form of gaming
That's bullshit or lootbox would have disappeared and they wouldn't even have SPORT in the first place since it's 50% gambling.

eSport want to minimize randomness because sport are supposed to be "fair" (regardless if we will soon use genetic augmentation that pass all drug test).
That and autist trying to defend meta they just have to follow to feel superior.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:19:11 AM No.714657815
>>714656815
MvM is much more tolerable if you just play bootcamp.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:33:53 AM No.714658460
>>714657815
It was a community tour on a custom map. No stakes, guy just acted like that for no reason
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:35:59 AM No.714658551
>>714657702
Compet fag autist are absolutely against ANY form of randomness.

That's why they file literally EVERYTHING into "bad RNG", or make convoluted strawman that no one would ever accept, in order to pretend there's no RNG anyone would love to have.
Followed by circular logic where they defend the lack of change or novelty is proof nothing can change.

Imagine a game where both side have equal chance, but random events generate chaos that's absolutely thrilling, by their action players efforts may be impacted moderately and may lose the game, no different from a team player getting lucky or unlucky.

The SANE player will tell you the thrill of facing those events is most of the fun. Regardless if they win or lose.
The typical meta autist will tell you it's retarded and blame RNG for not making their guide-to-meta make them feel superior and validated.

>like card games exist and are played competitive so its kind of retarded to say that.
Only because those are in fact mostly gambling game.
Not skill-based games with added RNG.
Few games can entirely remove randomness, even chess without timer. But the mistake is "compet fag" trying to remove everything they can't beat just following a meta.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:36:11 AM No.714658557
1698879618373
1698879618373
md5: 81ab4b5e9eef31544c592c77e462cf70๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)
Fuck off, Balance your game shithead
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:37:54 AM No.714658636
>>714658460
Fair enough the sliver of chance of getting a shitty looking gun makes people act like total dickbags.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:42:02 AM No.714658804
I care less about winning and more about enjoying my time. I don't care about what is or isn't "effective"
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:45:17 AM No.714658921
>>714628414
>but because of the failure rate you're getting more clears in less time by playing the non-meta way.
In that case the more reliable way would become the meta. Reliability is a huge factor when it comes to these things.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 10:47:43 AM No.714659010
>>714656131
I donโ€™t talk to people in games so why should I give a fuck.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:05:15 AM No.714659734
>>714602642 (OP)
>teamslop
It's beyond saving, you're trying to be competitive in a non-1v1 game lol
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:09:38 AM No.714659910
>>714654301
this sums up this entire website. every board that's even slightly responsive.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:15:48 AM No.714660198
1743695386030315
1743695386030315
md5: c587e36379d67bff504315bcfa933560๐Ÿ”
>>714658551
You are cherry-picking. In reality random can be good or bad. Is it good or bad? Pic related.

People need to move to specifics for the conversation to make any sense.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:16:28 AM No.714660221
Metafagging is autistic and sucks the enjoyment out of activities. This is true in tabletop games and even in sportsball games, where interest has been waning because everyone is bored of team coaches who exclusively play to the meta.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:19:12 AM No.714660327
>>714602642 (OP)
99% of the time meta is just some random twitch streamers opinion.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:21:45 AM No.714660428
I had a metaslave friend IRL way back, it was in the context of playing DotA, it always intrigued me how my friend would so slavishly follow the metagame instead of thinking for himself. Like, he would play strong heroes, he would have a solid playstyle and buy powerful items, but ONLY because he had seen pro-gamers use those heroes, strategies, and items. If I ever suggested to him to buy a different item, for example, he would deride my suggestion as foolish because he had never seen a pro use that item. Even if you calmly explained to him that that item had a particular quality that might be useful, he would just deny, he had to see the item used in the context of the metagame before he would accept it as useful. I realized then that while a metaslave like him might become very proficient you will never truely git guud because all you're doing is copying what other people are doing, you're not thinking for yourself.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:26:07 AM No.714660634
>>714602642 (OP)
What if the meta changes all the time and the current meta sucks ass? I would play against the meta.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:27:07 AM No.714660670
byebye
byebye
md5: d341047211734cff0e0ba766d66e19c3๐Ÿ”
>game is released as a team based pvp skirmish with pretty simple rock/paper/scissors elements born from a variety of classes
>some mega autist figures out a synergy the developers didn't account for
>game now develops into a play/counterplay scenario wholly different from the initial pitch for the game but the players are having fun
>balance patches focus on refining the new metagame to make it both more functional and more interesting
>any other strategy the game once offered is now either gone or unusable
>anytime someone brings up these atrophied gameplay elements they are shouted down by all the people playing the game according to the now deeply established meta
>sequel is announced and it's now entirely built around the meta from the first game because fuck anyone who might have liked the idea of the initial game
>sequel is now matches playing out exactly the same fucking way with varying degrees of execution on the players part

The absolutely baffling thing is all the fags now doing this shit for PvE games now
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:30:53 AM No.714660838
soldler
soldler
md5: 10eaae4e9c5a96b677000c151ebd8e6c๐Ÿ”
>>714602642 (OP)

Often times playing the meta can make a PvE game too easy and trivializes the things about the game that I find fun, and in multiplayer games it can make the game feel samey, if I see 50% of players using the same armor and weapon and build or whatever that shit feels bad, it's more fun when the playerbase feels diverse and every player has a unique character, it feels cancer when everyone uses the character or the build that breaks the game, not just cause it breaks the game, but also because it gets fucking boring.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:33:53 AM No.714660969
>>714603043
then you're a victim
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:34:53 AM No.714661014
>>714610517
That's exactly the kind of argument my metaslave friend would make back then, he would always phrase it as the meta being set in stone and completely unavoidable, in spite of the fact that the meta constantly changed / changes, he would just ignore that part and carry on in his delusion. Like literally the next week the hero / character he was using wasn't relevant any more, he would just pretend as if it had never been relevant and ascribed an "eternal" character to the new meta.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:35:18 AM No.714661034
>>714660838
>Elder god tier.
Themed builds, challenge builds, underdogs weapons/abilities.
>Unsalvageable shitter tier.
Bulletpoint step-by-step guide to creating the biggest borderline cheating mega rapist by hogging the most borderline broken items.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:35:51 AM No.714661049
>>714602642 (OP)
Metafags should be torn to shreds by wild dogs.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:38:55 AM No.714661194
1732630975685958
1732630975685958
md5: e789134d8ffd09035476881b8cc16ddf๐Ÿ”
>>714660838
Brass Knight set is the best souls armor.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:40:24 AM No.714661271
>>714618389
I'm a Hammer>Dual Blades>Charge Blade loser and forever I will be
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:42:43 AM No.714661390
>>714618389
>The two weapons that require a knowledge of monster moveset and understanding even a shred of positioning are bottom two.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:43:23 AM No.714661416
>>714649215
Genuinely curious, what would be a good example of the former? Games that are discernibly more difficult that most people will end up eschewing a ton of other options.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:44:10 AM No.714661457
>>714654301
lol. Saved
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:47:35 AM No.714661607
>>714660198
The worst is I'm not.
A typical compet/meta fag will tell you "realism bad, all factors must player-controlled or insignificant"

You give them specific examples, they'll diminish the existing ones as either superficial or a niche cause if it's not a top seller. As for hypotheticals, they'll go into a mental gymnastic to never imagine a working gameplay themselves.
Take a case of weather or something else if you want.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:52:55 AM No.714661869
If you want a great example of how metafagging ruins a game, just look at Destiny 2. Fucking cuckdevs gave into it too and now it's part of their content drops to change metas instead of balancing the game. Nu-gaming sucks major cock.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 11:55:21 AM No.714662001
>>714661869
>Recluse
I've never seen a single weapon create so much destruction in such a short time. It also really easily exposes just what kind of shitters the majority of the playerbase is.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:01:25 PM No.714662323
>>714662001
I still shudder at the thought of that fucking weapon. Mountaintop as well.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:04:16 PM No.714662458
>>714661607
>Take a case of weather or something else if you want.
shit, I forgot the thread is already past bump limit, we can't really discuss that
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:07:38 PM No.714662612
>>714629498
>dies to removal
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:15:47 PM No.714662976
>>714602642 (OP)
because its the antithesis of soul
you play the meta because you only have "fun" from winning
i have fun simply from playing.
i have a soul
you do not.
simple as really.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:20:56 PM No.714663245
>>714621776
>>714621894
I recall being so annoyed that when I invaded in Elden Ring I kept seeing the same 3 weapons and the same 3 armor sets over and over and I got so annoyed that I based a whole build around using a jar canon to snipe gankers while they progressed through the level and I got more than one person seething on my DMs through that process, sorry I didn't let you spam blasphemous greatsword all over me lil bro.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:29:45 PM No.714663654
>>714663245
I played on some private WoW server where Rogues were really common, I was a warlock and they kept killing me so I spec'd into Demonology which basically hard countered Rogues and then I went out into the world and just waited for a Rogue to jump me and then killed him, worked almost every time.

I also effected the Meta on a different server when I hopped into battlegrounds as a Hunter with a Turtle pet and kept aggressively poking with it (Turtles had a Shield Wall like ability that made them extremely durable), 2 weeks later I saw a couple other Hunters use turtle pets in BG:s, asking for people to buff & heal their turtles lol.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:33:25 PM No.714663819
>>714660838
An example of how meta can ruin fun for me would have to be MHWilds, not because that game has metafags, on the contrary, it doesn't because the game is so piss easy that meta is useless, but that's the whole point, the player characters in that game are so overtuned and them onsters so undertuned that it feels like just be trying a lil hard you're already having an experience equivalent to using a broken meta build, and guess what, it saps all the fun out of the game when you're fucking broken and the game no longer has any challenge, you're just a god abusing animals, why the fuck would I play Elden Ring using the most OP weapons and spells if I know that they'll make the game into a joke? Years ago it was an unspoken rule that magic in DeS and DS1 was not a serious way to play the games because those strategies trivialized the experience so much, nowadays usig strategies that turn a game into a joke is considered valid and if you think it makes the experience of the game overall worse they say you're elititist and you need to be happy the game is "more accesible" and "has more options".
NIGGA WHO FUCKING CARES ABOUT HOW MANY OPTIONS A GAME HAS IF 80% ARE SHIT AND NOT WORTH USING ANYWAY? In the vast mayority of cases, OP strategies involve like 3 very particular weapons or spells and they make the other 300 options in the game worthless, so if anything, shit game balance makes a game have LESS options, people just get defensive because they're shitters who can't play well unless they use the most broken obviously overtuned shit, yeah bro, using your katana that deals 4500 damage in half a second with insane reach is a "valid" way to beat the game but don't be surprised if I'm not impressed at your level skill.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:41:21 PM No.714664173
>>714658557
both soldier and sniper are cancer in the hands of 2000 hours players, sniper's advantages are far more than just "long range" nigga.

Ironically enough, you'd think 2000 spies would be far more annoying but no, if I have a swary spy dominating a match at least I can be impressed but if a sniper or soldier are doing it I'm sorry but I'm not gonna pog when the guy shoots the ground and inmediately wins or the guy shoots me from 50 kilometers away and wins.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:43:23 PM No.714664275
I REFUSE to play the meta