>fantasy game
>besides humans we have, uh... Elves, orcs and dwarves i guess
Can fantasy writers stop being so fucking unoriginal already?
>game has special snowflake races like tieflings, goblins, kobolds, plant people etc
>they are just quirky humans without any truly alien thought processes
i'll take trad fantasy over that shit any day
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Normalfags don't want anything different from that. In fact, you could just as well remove everything besides human and elf.
>>714605937>goblins, kobolds, plant people etcNo game has this.
Make a new set of races that don't fall under freakshit then. Go on nigger I'm waiting.
>>714606176goblins and kobolds, bg3
plant people, starbound.
>>714606656I could try. What counts as freakshit though?
>>714605602 (OP)you're forgetting the dark skinned humanoids that have become a common sight recently
>>714606176gw2 also had plant people and they looked like reptile shit
>>714605602 (OP)>Elfs are just pointed ears humans that has the arrogance of a snob in dnd and jobs despite their "superiority"
>>714605937>they are just quirky humans without any truly alien thought processesPseud bullshit. All non humans will always be fundamentally human so that they remain close enough to be taken as seriously as humans. It's what we understand, it's what we can most easily empathize with, it's not so foreign as to be fearsome or laughable like some cartoon character.
>>714605963Iksar had the coolest continent
>>714605602 (OP)Blame tolkien and normies for that. They made that the standard. If you donโt follow the standard, normies wonโt buy it because itโs unfamiliar
>>714606770Something like glowing balls of light made up of tiny crustaceans that speak in riddles
>>714606770Anything that isn't elf human or dwarf.
>>714607395goodluck putting armor/clothes in that
>>714605602 (OP)It's why I always loved the Myth series that Bungie did
>>714605602 (OP)Why do 4cucks look like this?
This thread is going to just be furfags whinging that devs don't put "monsters" (furries, scalies) in games for them to jerk off to. Like it was last time, and the time before that.
Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was.
WE HAVE NIGGERS. THE NIGGER RACE GETS BOOSTS TO SPEED AND PICKPOCKET
>>714607064endless legend/space done it well
>>714605937the qunari were a pretty good "alien" race in Dragon Age Origins and 2. let's not talk about 3 and onwards.
>>714605937Truly alien beings can't really be characters, they'd appear more like animals or forces of nature that we can't understand. Trying to put it into practice you just end up with a human-only cast because in order to remain so mysterious/unknown you can't really let them do much.
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>>714606768Starbound actually has a really cool selection of races
>Plantniggers>Fishniggers>Monkeniggers>Roboniggers>StarniggersAlready way better than most fantasy shit
One thing I'll give Larian Studios is that they made the Elves really freaky in DOS2 where they have way too many abs and weird anatomy already goes a great way in making them more than humans with long ears
>>714606176Pathfinder has nyrissa and the rest. Nymphs?
>>714605602 (OP)furry detected opinion discarded
>>714608006Haven't played any da, what happened? Why were they good in the first place?
>>714608006they were bull-autistic-muslims-shit
>>714607851how about large breast beast women?
>>714605602 (OP)Op ima be real, you sound like a fucking faggot. A faggot who sucks dick to boot.
Every time people have this complaint it turns out to be furries that want furries to be in the game
>Poojeesh
>Quadrapedal humans
>Young Poojeesh have no scales, but as they mature the shit from their slopsala flower, chicken and bhaasmat rice diet dries and fuses with their skin
>Poojeets do exist without armour, but they're higher caste Poojeets
>Suspicious, unintelligent, shrewd and proud as a society they'll side with whomever noble race (or lesser race like Longshonozians who have infested human lands) looks like they're on top.
>Procreation is achieved via several Poojeets attacking a female Poojeet as she tries to replenish her armour in the shrublands where they live
>Poojeets will violently rape any female regardless of race, so it's common for females of other races to stay far away from their lands, any female adventurer who wishes to traverse their lands must be either part of a party or high enough level to solo a Poojeet horde solo.
>It's common for other races to burn their smell receptors before approaching their lands
>They're brown, mimic humans by wearing clothes, but due to their wretched genes can no longer stand up straight and must alternate between hoping forwards and swinging their bodyweight through their closed fists like skinny elongated apes.
here's your unique species, enjoy
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>>714605602 (OP)>fantasy game>besides humans we have, uh... Elves, catgirls and dwarves (shota/loli)
>"fantasy" race
>it's just a mish mash of things from real life
Are our brains so under developed that we can't just create new colors out of thin air?
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>>714612698i don't know, can you create a new color? i created this one mixing blue and yellow, i call it Blellow
>>714609785Kino. I want to play that game.
the final redpill in fantasy and sci-fi is to just have humans. humans are interesting enough already so why make up a fantasy or alien race that is literally just a stereotypical real life human culture boiled down to its most tropey aspects?
>>714613459Sex with exotic women.
>>714605602 (OP)>here's our original fantasy without tolkien>you can choose...white humans, red humans, green humans, blue humans
i will never read lord of the rings because everyone who likes it is aggressively retarded, ergo it is likely equally retarded
>>714613459Honestly, besides a few exceptions, human-only stories are kinda superior to 'generic non-human' crap
>>714613698assuming you will become retarded just for reading something its peak retard mentality.
Did you know that you can enjoy a piece of media without interacting with the braindead fanbase? sounds crazy but its possible!!!
>>714613698>everyone who likes it is aggressively retardedits one of the most widely consumed books of all time by people of all ages and backgrounds. it really is as good as they say and its considered a modern classic for a reason, anon.
>>714613834youre either putting words in my mouth or have zero reading comprehension which tracks for a tolkientard
>>714613971>ad populumguess gacha sportsball and pokemon are the peak of gaming then
>>714613459>>714613736We live in a humans-only human-centered world already and it's a cesspool, why the fuck would I want nothing but hairless uppity, narcissistic, and greedy apes in my fantasy escapism too?
>>714614036>im special because i don't like popular thingok annonymous.
>>714608006Sven made them look like a communist hive mind. 2 already fucked them up by making this jobber an impotent bitch
>>714614172You're Jewish cattle, so you at least aren't human.
>>714614289His name was actually Sten not sven I forgot
>>714614036>ERMMM ACTUALLY THATS A LE LOGICAL FALLACYstop bro. i am simply saying it is a great piece of work that is considered to have literary merit like classic literature. obviously, mcdonalds isnt the peak of food for its popularity but there is a reason why classic lit like, say, War & Peace and Moby Dick are considered great and popular literature, similar to LOTR. almost every trope you know about fantasy is derived from LOTR.
>>714614172There are some distinct groups that hate non-humans in fiction.
>pseuds>HFY faggots>progressivesAll of whom, are always insufferable.
>>714614172because other races are essentially acting like humans too. its impossible for an author to properly divorce from humanity, considering how the author is human and you, the reader, is human. humanity is maximally interesting and if you think otherwise you are simply too sheltered to know any better.
>>714614481>almost every trope you know about fantasy is derived from LOTRyeah theyre bad and its why i wont read it
>>714614529Ummm, that image is a bit furphobic
>>714608338Who says we can't understand animals or forces of nature? And animals share a lot of human emotions.
>>714614658suit yourself, but youre missing out. i dont really understand the point of entering the thread and smugly announcing "I ACTUALLY HATE [X THING THE THREAD IS ABOUT] AND I DONT CARE WHAT YOU SAY BACK TO ME *crosses arms* if you dont care and wont budge, why even say anything? (You) addiction?
>>714605963A normalfag's idea of roleplaying is just "what if I was really cool?" so the only character they ever make is their ideal self.
>>714614591Well that's your opinion. I genuinely don't see how humans only fantasy is in any way superior. Even if the differences are superficial, I prefer actual fantasy races over just seeing humans spammed everywhere. especially ugly humans.
>>714614591according to your argument humans are only maximally interesting within the space of what a human author can conceive, not in totality
>>714614898So you're saying we need to imagine ourselves as really lame instead?
>>714605602 (OP)>orcs are just normal people not barbarians or savages they're just humans painted green with tuskswhy would i be a dumb ugly orc if im not a barbarian or a savage? The entire appeal of being an orc
>>714615036Traditionally roleplaying was about imagining adventures using characters that aren't you at all.
>>714614172>hairless uppity, narcissistic, and greedy apes in my fantasy escapismYou just described a mix of the three most popular fantasy species.
>>714615026humans are the most interesting because the only people that have ever existed are humans. every story is human derived. every fantasy race that you enjoy is invented by a human. there is no fantasy race that couldn't just be a human. every fantasy race is just "what if [insert stereotypical real life human culture] but green and forehead prosthetic" anyway
>>714615217>latinx tradcath white nationalists are just engaging in traditional roleplaying
>>714614856where do you think we are
>>714615043then why be an orc at all?
>Race
Human, White
>Gender
Male
>Class
Warrior
>Weapon
Longsword
Oh yeah, its gaming time
>>714615364>we should improve the chan somewhat>"WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE"fuck that and fuck you
>>714615403Thats what Im asking if orcs are just humans painted green with tusks then thats gay give me warhammer type orcs conan type orcs not orcs that just speak like humans dress like humans and are just green
>>714615501incredibly based
More fantasy games should have nymphs that are just a race of naked women
>>714614529>There are some distinct groups that hate non-humans in fiction.I just hate it when the 'non-humans' are just 'humans but X'. It works sometimes, like in Star Trek and Tolkien, but most of the time it is just fucking derivative trash. At that point just make them humans of different cultures.
>>714615527yeah but what im saying is, how are warhammer orcs any different from green humans with unrealistically huge roid bodies? they are just retarded cockney people mixed with a scrappy african kind of culture. totally human derived
>>714615616>the idea of seeing a naked human woman was so foreign to 70s nerds that they had to invent a whole new race that was just a naked human womangrim
>>714615702Because they have different cultures different personalities what dont you understand? Orcs in modern fantasy games act the exact same way as humans do
>>714615702iunno i can kinda see what that anon is talking about.
40K orks are properly inhuman. The Eldar and the Tau are kinda lacking though.
>>714615036Characters with intentional defects are some of the most fun and memorable. Every RPG group has at least one person who intentionally plays as the really dumb guy.
>>714615837>Because they have different cultures different personalitiesexactly, which humans also do. im not saying you cant enjoy them, im just saying that orcs, no matter what you do with them, are fundamentally human derived. its inescapable for any fantasy race.
>>714615906>40K orks are properly inhumanhow?
>>714615958>Characters with intentional defects are some of the most fun and memorablethis. are all the zoomers ITT unaware of the staple mechanic of negative character traits in RPGs?
>>714615036I enjoy the process of overcoming the odds
>>714616072bruh, you sound like the kind of retard narcissist pseud who if real life aliens appeared, would complain they are too human even if they developed completely separate from us, but still shared some traits that are simply essential to sapience/civilization.
>>714615786>naked human woman:I
>naked human woman with exotic skin color and knife ears:O
>>714615786No I was suggesting they should have a race that are a race of naked women not that they invented a race that is basically just naked women retard
>>714616410i wasnt arguing against you, you sperg. i was just making a joke.
https://www.clinical-partners.co.uk/for-adults/autism-and-aspergers/adult-autism-test
>>714605602 (OP)Don't cry chuddy! One day all the billions of humans who are alive today will die!
>>714616072>how?They grow out of the ground, fully matured, wanting nothing more than to battle, like its their only vital need. They can be 8 feet tall or just a shit little gremlin. They are cartoonishly retarded but become gradually smarter the larger is the war they are fighting. They cannot understand time linearity, so two contradicting facts can be true and they see no problem with that.
Iunno I think that's inhuman enough, at least for what they are (attacking horde), and what 40K.
Though human orks would be kinda funny to see.
Orcs always seemed like a euphemism for something
>>714605602 (OP)Why are originalfags like this?
>>714615095You're a black guy.
>>714617287this is just speculative evolution. not sure if he is employing a kind of scientific mindset to this design, but its not too retarded to imagine humans potentially evolving into a rodent like physiognomy rather than ape.
>>714620257>humanoid (US):(
>humanoid (Japan):O
>>714611167Is it true that trans people can't stand their reflections in mirrors or screens?
>>714614529maybe people just don't want to read about niggers
and niggers themselves can't read
>>714605602 (OP)Fantasy is a European thing you wouldn't get it.
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>>714620269>Size 22 shoe humans>Eyepatch humans>Buy one get one free on baseball caps humanlets>Headless humans>Dog humansReal original anon
>>714617896How is it not too retarded? Just because mice and elephants are very related?
>>7146070641. That's unimaginative and 2. They could at least make it more interesting than "humans but they fight even more" or "humans but they like digging"
>>714617287That reminds me of this
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imNtSPM3-r4
if you can't make an interesting story or setting with elves and dwarves then it's not going to be saved by adding quirky chungus creatures
>>714620451It makes sense, most people don't really like looking at them either
>>714620482
>>714615702Orks do not act like humans would, they have a properly alien culture centered around reckless endangerment thanks to their alien reproductive cycle and durability. If you just straight up replaced them with humans the faction would not work at all
>>714614529>people would rather see whites and animals than some grody jeetOh no! Anyway
>injunsDo they even exist anymore? Figured they all died out through more infighting by now.
>>714613459But Pathologic has worms. However they're not impactful to the story.
>>71461369820 years ago, the common consensus was that LotR was for standard humans and Harry Potter was for children and women. Now some retard on the internet thinks LotR users are drooling retards like himself.
>>714605963What the fuck is a Iksar
>>714621890Argonian. Scailie Lizard people. It's retarded and unoriginal.
>>714621986You say that, yet there is not a single modern lizard race that is anywhere near as good as they were.
>>714620269brother i dont think this is representative of medieval fantasy races this is representative of physical genetic defects due to inbreeding. Those conditions exist irl, people like those die very early.
>>714620269Where are my giant agressive snails?
>>714621296Why go that route? If you look like shit, and make procedure X and still look like shit, why bother?
>>714622137Apparently these snails are supposed to be jews.
>>714622172So they're not actually shapeshifting lizards but snails?
>>714622060argonian and lizard man from soul calibur also mark zuckerberg
>>714622142because they are mentally ill
>>714622212I don't think they had lizards in Europe. They had dragons. Sitting on a pile of gold does sound similar.
>>714605602 (OP)fantasy should have no races other than human, GRRM-style, instead focusing on Houses and their own identity and structure world building this way
video game fags still can't figure this simple truth out
>714620257>>714620379Very dumb pic. Absolute majority of enemies in Fromsoft games are humans. The rest are either from Greek, Germanic, Pan European Medieval or even Warhammer mythos
>>714607064Go the star trek route and just take stereotypes take them to the max and assign them to a race
>>714621702>ancient robot that is so ancient and forgotten its called a skelleton>pitch black niggrest human with white hair for contrast and bright yellow eyes to see in the dark like a cat>ancient robot that is so old is called skelleton>mutated bone marrow thickening steroid human produced to be a super soldier / enforcer of some kind that forgot he was once human so he calls himself Shek race now>artificial life form of bug people with a role: soldier>artificial life form of bug people with a role: leadership and furtive operations>human>artificial life form of bug people with a role: slave workerBased Kenshi.
>>714622465All these Dark Souls games have European themes. The art and architecture, the armor. I do have to say recently with the Wukong game and Sekiro I love the Asian mythology expressed instead of relying on European mythology.
>>714615906>40K orks are properly inhuman. The Eldar and the Tau are kinda lacking though.Eldar are probably the most inhuman elves in a major fantasy setting. Every member of the species is a psychic supergenius (canonically even the most retarded eldar is smarter than the most brilliant human) with emotions more intense than humans could ever experience without drugs, and their entire culture and society is built around that in a way that wouldn't make sense if you replaced them with humans.
Compared to like TES or D&D elves that are literally just humans that live sort of long lives.
>play divinity 2
>elves are stick cannibals that can read memories by eating flesh
>dwarves are dwarves and epic
>lizard people are 9 foot tall slave owners, if you play a female one you can molest the scared human guard in the first act
>undead
>>714622279That's a valid explan...whats this? Medallion's humming.
Non-humans barely work because most of the time they are afterthoughts. Unironically the best fantasy settings are human only or non-human only.
>>714605602 (OP)if there was a fantasy game with races like mass effect aliens (turians etc) (except for Asari) I'd play it
also I don't want to see medieval shit anywhere, no knight armors or castles or anything
I think there is an inherent problem where fantasy becomes sci-fi. How do you introduce these new types of people without explaining it?
>>714613698It's a few trolls using tolkien for bait, don't read too much into it.
>>714613459>>714616283That's true, there's a limit to what we can conceive and is possible to conceive, naturally we can only start with humans or at most savage beasts (like a wolf or pig). But it is still rule of cool, it is cool if the enemy barbarian is a different species, call it "orcs".
>>714623710everyone has an origin story in the anceint world most of those stories were bullshit like "we are gods chosen, he made us from clay" like some kikes still believe. Which was copied from the Sumerian religion by the way because kikes always lie of course they would never do plagiarism.
>>714607064BASED. Furfaggots malding at this truth
>>714623835And that's how I feel. All of these fantasy games/media is from history. Fantasy is a fantastical version of history, the past. Sci-fi is progress and the future. All these species are from folklore and legends that have hundreds of years of history behind why they exist.
>>714614730And the method is explicitly called anthropomorphizing, from the greek "anthropos" meaning human and the "morphe" form.
You project your own experience on the object you wish to understand, but nowhere does that guarantee whether you understood it.
Not to say that the other anon is right, since the assumption that alien intelligence can and must differ from human intelligence life is just cynical navel-gazing.
>>714605602 (OP)>the fantasy/sci-fi races? humans>the dominant empire on the continent? humans>the mysterious progenitor species? humans >the gods? ascended humans
>>714617435>If I take off my knee, will you breathe?
>>714624415I have human fatigue
>>714624637>I NEED A WORLD WITH BLACK, BROWN AND ASIAN PEOPLE FUFILLING THE SAME ROLES THEY DID IRLWow, "cool fantasy"... at least do it interestingly like Redguards in Elder Scrolls.
>>714624637That guy that you posted sounds like he thinks people of color are an appropriate stand in for aliens. He is saying people of color are so different they must be another species hahaha
>>714624572It would be akin to aborted buck breaking.
>>714624034Fantasy is from mythology/fantastical history. Sci-fi is from scientific history.
>>714606176Guild Wars 2 has Charr which are similar to kobolds and Plant People.
Guess what? The plant people were trannies
>>714624908And we are right in the middle.
>>714624841Hyper liberals being unconscious racists is nothing new.
>>714624981It's funny when people accidently tell the truth.
>>714625043It's just white supremacy on the other side of the color spectrum.
>these black/brown people are so inferior to us that we need to give them free money, free housing, free college diplomas etc. etc. because they're too stupid and incapable to achieve these things on their own!!!>what do you mean we're just importing slave labor? that's racist you bigot!
>>714624908>Sci-fi is from scientific history.This is not true in any way.
>>714624935Charr are cat people though.
Dinos with blade arms
what do we think?
>>714625487I'm playing Turok: Evolution right now.
>>714614529children books where? are there children books in africa and china? if its in a white country, 50% is really grim, wouldnt you say? because as of now whites are still a numerical majority in their countries, so anything below that number is being more than generous to all non-whites. we are too fucking nice and i mcfucking had it. get real
>>714616562And you are retarded
>>714608360Starbound could have been get-it's-own-tv-show-good if the gameplay and core story wasn't so mediocre. The worldbuilding was quite strong for and indie game
>>714622321Now that I think about they have snakes but those are reptiles not necessarily lizards.
>>714620897isnt the future closer to hairless and similar looking like aylmaos? we better save up some genetic material to introduce splicing in the future to not die out for being too similar
>>714620257>>714620379> >From software You realize they are literally famous for being the Japanese video game company that makes western style rpgs
>>714614658Tropes can't be bad you fucking idiot, they're plot devices
>>714626086No it's more like this
>https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/health/graham-human-body-sculpture-car-accidentThis is what the future of humanity looks like.
>>714607380this. dwarves, elves, gnomes feyfolk predate tolkien though
>>714626443el ogro de las americas... no.....
>>714626659Si es la verdad.
>>714626686week it. wat nou?
>game has cool non-human characters
>not a single one joins your party
>>714626973I think you know a couple people that already look like that lmao.
>>714607684That thing on the left is m wife. I hope she gets added to Teraurge.
>>714608884nah. noble brute race. Bioware couldnt decide if they were orcs or minotaurs so they just turned them into flaming faggots in DA 3/4,
>>714607064fucjin fantasytards holy shit just stop makin it fantasy
>>714622459nah fuck off. GRMM had Giants, fey and white walkers. you obviously just watched the HBO show.
>>714615691There is a really good Star Trek Voyager episode about how dinosaurs evolved and left Earth before humans ever achieved warp travel. You would think the Vulcans would have documented that though.
>>714605963at least have them as npc or enemies
>>714605602 (OP)invent 3 NEW races that aren't tolkien based RIGHT NOW GO
>>714605602 (OP)It funny because the people who make fun of humans for being "boring" always play the exact same elf/tiefling archetype while thinking they are unique special snowflakes.
>>714629643They aren't Tolkien based. Tolkien used those legends and mythology along with his life experience as a World War 1 veteran to create his world.
>>714620257you are simply zooted off the weebium if you dont know that all of fromsoftwares visual design is western derived and comes from western art throughout the years. its not difficult to find designs like the ones in this pic from back in the day by western illustrators from throughout the 19th and 20th century. i mean fucking messmer is straight up a copypasta of elric of melnibone. just face it. all japs like to do is copy western stuff, just decades, if not centuries later.
>>714629884but the conception of orcs and elves and dwarves we know today are 100% tolkien derived.
>skeletons
>rat people
>sentient robots
>insect-like monsters
If none of the above are availiable, then i'll always pick human.
>>714630053elves and dwarves are very close to Pagan Norse mythology. I will give him credit for inventing orcs. They are supposed to represent the turks, the central powers.
How about a setting where "human" is just a catch-all term for all sapient life
>>714629643Bad aligned.
Fomorians. Like orcs, but water based. Harpies. Like orcs, but winged.
Good aligned
The Basted. Cat humanoids.
The Sobek. Lizard humanoids
>>714630209There is practically no lore about original Elves and Dwarves.
I read both Eddas.
>>714605602 (OP)I like it when Humans are the ancient/mythical race. More fantasy games should do that
>>714605602 (OP)A fantasy game doesn't need other species in it.
>>714630335Dune is 'kinda' like that where, for example, guild navigators are 100% genetically human, just altered so much by their environment that they resemble massive fish alien-like beings or the Bene Gesserit are just women genetically designed to be able to remotely interact with the very specific genetic code of other human beings
>>714630685Name 3 that already did that
>>714629643>Shape shifting blob monsters created from God's depression who are all moral busybodies that mean well>Insectoids that place an extremely high value on order and structure and get stressed out when taken out of their routines>Weird goat people, the recruitable one is a cute girl with huge boobs
>dude fantasy tropes are so ick
>medieval europe themed? elves and dwarves? yuck! give me some diversity
come up with your own mythology and stay away from our white fantasy
>>714630785all of these could simply just be human. nothing about their "fantasticalness" is derived from them looking like insects or whatever the fuck. its like how argonians and khajiit are also just basically humans with cat and lizard heads, but with some supernatural magic shit that differentiates them from irl humans. but they might as well just be fantasy humans. you're acting like the qualities of "created from God's depression who are all moral busybodies that mean well" and "place an extremely high value on order and structure and get stressed out when taken out of their routines" aren't very human qualities.
>>714605602 (OP)I don't care about the writer's totally unique and original setting. I want adventure and action with normal guys, twink guys, brute guys and short, stocky guys. Call them humans, elves, orcs and dwarves and spare me from your shit.
>>714630589You are wrong.
>captcha DDAMN
>>714630830>come up with your own mythology and stay away from our white fantasywill do, tradcath muttius larpius
>>714630589>and dwarvesreally? I thought being good smiths or short was original since even AoM has it and that's every depiction of them.
>>714631084>i want the same generic fellowship of the ring story over and over hundreds of timeswhy? are you like a baby thats still entertained by the same jingling keys from your infancy?
>>714630932The original post just wanted three races that weren't Tolkien inspired.
>>714631157nope. in the poetic edda they are depicted as craftsmen. funnily, the one thing that is not necessarely exclusive, though we would think it is, is their short stature. they are described as more elf like, in the classical mythological sense
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_(folklore)#Eddic_sources
>>714631172>genericthe word you're looking for is "timeless"
>>714631191oh, woops. my bad.
>>714631157No they are wrong. Elves and dwarves have an entire branch of the tree of life. Yggdrasil.
>>714631360tolkiens story sure is. the same story, narrative and aesthetic repeated one thousand times is not. it would be like reading moby dick 100 times just with names and concepts named differently. you would get bored, assuming you arent an easily entertained manchild.
>>714631371OK, genius. And what is the lore about Dwarves? What is their origin? How do they look like? What do they do?
Do you even know what lore is?
>>714631503I think that's the same issue they have with the Bible. Everyone has heard this story again and again, but people need to listen.
>>714615036He's saying it doesn't have to be about
>ME ME ME PLS I NEED ATTENTION>HERE'S MY SELF INSERT IF I WASN'T FATFantasy was never about this until normalfags
>>714631157Eddas mention a couple of Dwarves who were craftsmen and that's all. Keep in mind that humans are also capable craftsmen
There are two couples of brothers
Brokk and Sindri appear in Age of Mythology and God of War 2018. I don't remember the names of other two bros.
>>714631575Read a book nigger.
OR, if I dare suggest, perhaps, a typical fantasy adventure with elves, dwarves, and orcs on the surace, BUT... with a clever, devilish subversion of the fantasy narrative???
>>714631839I did read. Two in fact.
>>714629643robots
bug people
feline people
>>714605602 (OP)I think fantasy races feeling generally boring in dull in modern fantasy games has less to do with using stock DnD races vs making OC donut steel and more to do with how much the races actually add to the game.
For example, in unicorn overlord each race had:
>their own quadrant of the map>towns, shops, clothes, etc completely different for each race>their own little mini plot line about their internal politics>all classes are race specific and have some underlying quirk thats common across all members of that raceEven though its all things that've been done before (elves, dark skinned elves, angels, and furries) it feels like a meaningful part of the world and the game. I think a lot of fantasy authors just slap a bunch of races into their wold because they just view it as a boilerplate part of worldbuilding.
Contrast my unicorn overlord example with one of the countless shitty MMOs where all the races are OC races but the differences mean fuckall and everyone just lives in the same cities, wears the same shit, talks the same way, only gameplay difference is a few stat bonuses, etc.
name ONE nu-fantasy race outside of elves, dwarves, and orcs that aren't complete fucking cringe. look at WoW for how well that goes.
>>714624841>>714624981Nonwhites literally are different species than Whites and its evident in appearance and behavior (brains) both.
You guys are far more pathetic than liberals even.
>>714632348monkey men from conan the barbarian
conan the barbarian is way better than lord of the rings
>>714632003>robotsdwarves
>bug peoplegoblins
>feline peopletevildo
try again ;)
>>714632348I'm a fan of bug people races, personally
>>714632406No it's just genetics. There are some very smart black people, I think their culture holds them back for sure.
>>714631503People's enjoyment of a story has nothing to do with how many times they've seen its tropes, it's about how well those tropes are executed.
I don't see the point of fantasy races, unless the different fantasy races are fundamentally different from humans.
E.g., elves don't die of old age and have minds suited for that, so they would do things like not use writing because they don't need it, everything they do will take an extreme amount of time because to them 100 years is like 1 for a human, they think and plan in the extreme long-term so they live in perfect harmony with their environments (which are equally artificial to human ones, just to humans they don't seem that way), they are conservative to extremes so intense that they essentially never make any progress whatsoever on anything, etc.
But when your elves are just pointy-eared humans, that could comfortably live in human cities or even establish friendships with these absurdly short-lived human creatures, then what's the point?
Same with all the other fantasy races. If they're not so different from humans that a human couldn't comfortable live among them, then just fucking make them humans with a weird culture instead.
This is one of the main things I hate about modern fantasy, where so often the non-human races are just humans with a different coat of paint. Like, I'm playing Pillars of Eternity, and I come across this elf running a tavern, and it explains to me that the differences between humans and elves are arbitrary and purely cultural. It genuinely pissed me off, I hate Josh Sawyer so much. But I digress.
>>714605602 (OP)my kobold child wives are cute
>>714633089and none have surpassed fellowship. so why keep re-doing it? why not think of something new or imaginative? its called "fantasy" for a reason. its supposed to be synonymous with "imagination", yet dogmatic fantasytards like you are always deathly afraid of deviating from the norm
>>714633125>But when your elves are just pointy-eared humans, that could comfortably live in human cities or even establish friendships with these absurdly short-lived human creatures, then what's the point?The lifespan difference alone would make it difficult for humans and elves to live together.
>>714605602 (OP)>>714605963Maybe people would be more creative if we stopped giving them the option of
>Human but strong and attractive>Human but taller and prettier>Human but shorter, stronger and with a great beard and a funny accent>Human, but green and built like Brock LesnarAnd instead actually got a bit creative
Give me:
>Dinosaur people, not argonian lizard people, I mean T-REX PEOPLE, like General Scales from Starfox>Shadow people, lack of discernible featuers, gangly limbs, look like The Void from the new avengers>Amorphous blobs like The Amoeba Boyz from Powerpuff girlsBut we know we wont get different species like that because that would take more animation and art work than just "human but slightly different"
>>714633208I don't know if this is cope or not but /lit/ says they are not publishing white authors anymore.
>captcha
>>714633425Oh my captcha said N0g and JWHY. Funny as fuck.
>>714605937>they are just quirky humans without any truly alien thought processesQuirky humans that don't like humans.
Quirky humans that are Reddit Vikings with a dash of HAHA DWARF WOMEN HAVE BEARDS AMIRITE DIGGY DIGGY HOLE RAH
Quirky humans that are wholesome noble savages who make the viewer say FUCK WHITEY AN BORDERS AN SHEEEEIIIIIIT
>>714615786Nymphs arnt a modern invention.
Its just sirens for the rivers
>>714605602 (OP)I agree unironically, I keep thinking about how to design new races for settings and it's so much more fun when it's more novel. I think the best way to do it is to look at star-trek - people often complain about them looking humanoid (despite le lore giving an explanation) but that wouldn't even have to be found in a fantasy setting.
GIVE ME SEMI-HUMANOID SLIMES
GIVE ME WARRIOR MONKEY AMAZONS
GIVE ME STONE-SKINNED AMBUSHERS
GIVE ME PLANTLINGS
GIVE ME NON-COPOUT ELEMENTALS
GIVE ME NATURALLY-OCCURING MAGICAL MACHINES
Heck d&d has some of these but they're sidelined even there
>>714608338fucking halo has them, it can be done
>>714633343They just write in races that are basically following this template and they make them specialize in a few types of character classes:
> The big strong guys.> The small cute chicks.> The powerful spellcasters.> The ancient race with powerful technology.> The average humans.Really how it is, D&D/JRPG influence you could say.
>>714607395And that's the issue of people going HURR WE NEED MORE ALIEN FANTASY and all they do is just slap a bunch of random shit together and call it original.
Ok, we've got bears but they're part moth and they speak entirely in Mongolian throat singing. And their culture is... they're bears and they have moth parts and their cities are filled with Mongolian throat singing.
Almost every single motherfucker who wants to make an original race gets as far as the original race and creativity stops there.
You want to make an alien race?
Start with the culture first.
>>714634380That's a gamer approach/viewpoint. But You are right to think that way because you ideally want a diversity of damage.
>>714608338>Trying to put it into practice you just end up with a human-only cast because in order to remain so mysterious/unknown you can't really let them do much.That's not necessarily a good thing, but I always think that's more natural than 'the cast is composed of 3 humans, and then one member of each fantasy species'
Fucking fantasy DEI.
>>714629643i have a whole vault of 'em but the last thing im doing is given them to a faggot on /v/
>>714634565You can always fit the races into one of those stereotypes or the "mascot race" as well or the "evil bad guy minions" category, no matter the source of fiction if its from gaming or actual novel even the old ones who were just doing their own thing. Its just how it is. There's not that many approaches to writing species, just what makes them tick and what morals they might have and any unique specialties only they can do in the world of the story that change things up.
>>714632607the robots are definitely not dwarves and the bug people are defintiely not goblins.
and the tevildo are not "people"
Tolkien lost
>>714634106You could just go into folklore and make races out of mythological creatures.
The Psoglav is a Slavic creature with horse legs, a cyclopean dog head, iron teeth, and iron nails. It's a ghoul that plunders graveyards for food. Even if you gave it two eyes, dropped the iron teeth and claws and blended the canine and equine elements more than head and legs, you've still got something entirely original in comparison to standard fantasy.
>>714605963Normies want a fantasy world with cool original races that you interact with, but they want their character to be a human at least on the first playthrough.
And no, being short and grumpy (haha I'm le dwarf XD) is not a subsititute for a personality
Name a non-Elf or dwarf fantast race that YOU like, anon.
>>714606176age of wonders has all three. albeit with all the standards as well (orcs, elves, etc)
>>714635303lizardmen and skaven
>>714635303Viera.
Goddamn sexy hare chicks...
>>714629643A race of humanoid termites that will cannibalize its criminal elements before engaging in a week long orgy. This is considered a redemptive act for them, as despite being unfit to live in the colony, they get to act as fuel for the creation of a new generation. Their cities are generally a single, towering obelisk, with stepped outgrowths around the base and reflective mirrors drive the sun's light throughout their superstructure to provide light, heat, and be collected in vast interior mana-batteries. The sun in this world being entirely a magical phenomena.
A species mnemonic parasites that try and build their culture and people to relfect the societies around them. They pilfer creations; literature, architecture, customs, clothing, to try and create an identity for themselves, leading to them coming off as an amalgamation of species-cultures. Their use of language is stilted and wrong, their clothing is never quite right, buildings can exists in their colonies with mismatched windows and no doors. They could be speaking in stilted Orcish while using entirely Elven pronunciation.
Everything they do is like something unreal trying desperately to be real by simply copying everyone around them.
A secretive race of preservationists, almost like dryads with bodies made of amber and plants, entirely prehistoric plants and living fossils such as the Wollemi Pine, that will take anything and anyone they find uniquely interesting, steal or kidnap the object of their desire, and encase it in amber and secret it away. Lost cities can exist in their collections, shrunken in their entirety with primeval magicks, land and buildings and people all, when they have become uniquely fascinated as an entire species by something.
An entire city turned museum mausoleum, and existing as nothing more than an oversized amber snowglobe for them to be fascinated by for a thousand years.
>>714629802I play tiefling because tiefling make my peepee big peepee.
>>714613698>t. faggot projecting his own retardation on others
>>714634390>You want to make an alien race?>Start with the culture first.But does culture have anything to do with a race's appearances and physical and mental capabilities?
Could a race of weak retarded ratlings be a spartan technocracy?
>>714636846>Could a race of weak retarded ratlings be a spartan technocracy?Not without some major asspulling, but they could EASILY be a brutal cargo-cult that pretends to be a civilization.
One race that always stuck with me is the Kolossae from Kingdoms of Amalur.
They're a race that looks like living greek statues. Everything about their culture is Olympian inspired.
The thing is, in KoA, the giant races are almost entirely barbaric, and so were the Kolossae. One of the gods decided to uplift them because she liked them and taught them culture.
And they took to it and consider themselves the pinnacle of culture and intellect because they were blessed to be. They frequently engage in debate because debate is what allows for truly enlightened discussion.
They go to their podiums, they give their opening arguments.
And then they beat the living shit out of each other because truth is stronger than lies.
They're still barbarians. They're just barbarians with embroidery.
You could have retarded ratlings who can consider themselves a technocratic empire, and they train themselves brutally to be as strong as they can possibly be, which is still pathetically weak, and have palanquins that crudely resemble cars. Hell they could even instinctively understand technology even if they have absolutely no idea how any of it works.
If Startrek can have the Pakled, and Steven King can have the Tommyknockers, it's entirely possible to make a race of technologically advanced morons.
>>714637637>brutal cargo-cultThis isn't an alien race just most of the third world.
Now that I keep thinking about it, I think it's hilarious we are coming up with imagined enemies.
Guild Wars 2 has the best races of any WRPG fantasy setting and it isn't even close
>>714606176FFXIV
literal goblins and kobolds and the sylph are plant people
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>>714605602 (OP)>Can fantasy writers stop being so fucking unoriginal already?I don't play Toddslop but I will always praise the fact TES lore isn't just a generic Tolkien copycat.
>>714641198If you read all the books in the game they give such depth to each race.
>>714605963Can't even tell what game this is from the first 4 races
>>714632194When I read about tieflings it makes me laugh.
>>714635303I'm playing a game right now where most of the enemy is half human/half reptile. And the final boss's name is Tyrannus. And yes he rides a giant Tyrannosaurus rex with mini guns and rocket launchers attached.
>>714642271Name of the game?
>>714642318PS2 game
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turok:_EvolutionIt turns into an ace combat game where you are flying a pterodactyl with rocket launchers as missiles and 50 caliber machine guns. But that's only for a few missions. Incredible game
I'm not exactly jerking off whenever I see a dwarf in a video game but I really don't get why anyone could hate dwarves as a concept.
Elves though, they're just super boring every time.
>>714605602 (OP)>besides humans we have, uh... Elves, orcs and dwarves i guessbased department?
>>714642725I think elves are fairly versatile, even if you keep to them being all high and mighty old people.
As an example, pic related comes from an elven culture that was favored by its local god since its creation. When that favor was eventually lost due to reasons, they all went crazy trying to get it back. She especially went off the deep end since she was the queen and she felt like she was owed her god's favor the most. All of this leads to a lot of genocide and eugenics.
>>714641198> but I will always praise the fact TES lore isn't just a generic Tolkien copycat.Oblivion literally made Cyrodil into a generic european grassy field + forest because of Lord of The Rings. It was supposed to be a Jungle. There is mods for that though.
>>714644316You are totally right! Cyordill was supposed to be a jungle but I'm glad they just ripped off of Lord of the Rings. The fellowship was the best one so I'm glad they emulated that. And that was based off that and that was based off hat and...
somehow Japan is the biggest offender for this. It's almost like part of their whole "fantasy" genre necessitates it being as cliched and generic as possible. Even the stuff touted as breaking the mould, like Frieren, is just more of the same videogame RPG "fantasy" shit with le elves, le orcs, le dwarves, le dungeons, le demon king.
>>714645397>le elves, le orcs, le dwarvesit's rare for japanese games to have those
they are much more common in western games
>>714645397These Japs really love making animes about demons. Projection much?
>>714633125>examplesound like the Tise andi from malazan
They're a suicidal folks, living without purpose, having witnessed far too many horrors over their long lives. Sometimes they even forget whether the girl they live with is their mother, sister or perhaps their lover. The author comments on this suggesting that because humans have such short lifespans, they are compelled to live life to the fullest. In contrast the Tiste Andii barely make any progress at all
>>714633125>I don't see the point of fantasy races, unless the different fantasy races are fundamentally different from humans.Elves and dwarves are very different from humans that's why they have their own name and culture. I think that's the big thing. Creating an entire culture for a fantasy race is hard.
>>714645676It's weird, right? It's always a Lich when western game does a dnd pastiche but they use demon kings who exist in dnd too I checked.
>>714646423Yeah because now that I really think about all the animes I have watched all the main protagonists have a demon inside them. That sounds so fucking psycho.
>>714605602 (OP)Why are people so particularly obsessed over races in fantasy settings? Why is just having humans fine in any other type of fiction but this one? What does having other humanoid races actually add?
>>714646541Diversity can be cool sometimes, but it's clear there is a lack of diversity in thought.
>>714645397What are they sinning about their fantasy genre is ghosts / yokai and supernatural spliced with swordsmanship. They go out of their way to establish things like Hylians aren't Elves in their universe and Gorons are definitely not Dwarves.
>>714605602 (OP)i like it when most rpgs use the same set of monsters and such
it enables different and more creative interpretations of a simple and familiar base template
e.g. pic related, slimes could range from cute in DQ to haunting and unnerving like in bravely default
>>714607064except they aren't real, so you're just talking pseud bullshit
>another thinly veiled /lil/ thread
>>714647250Personally I hate time travel plots but do you wish you could go back in time to fix your mistakes?
>>714646892Well, the Hylians genuinely don't have any elf-like traits other than the pointy ears. Zoras are a much closer elf analogue
But aside from being rock people rather than short humans, Gorons fulfill most of the same tropes as dwarves
>>714605602 (OP)I really don't get why so much fantasy media (especially high fantasy) just rips off Tolkien for the species/races. It's not like sci-fi properties have to commonly feature martians with tripods ร la H.G. Wells.
>>714630932so you want a race that has their feet as opposible thumbs for example or tentacles for finesse?
Tolkien complained:
>"Gentlemen are rare among the superiors, and even human beings rare indeed.
He later said
>Junior officers were being killed off, a dozen a minute
Insects use feelers for delicate work that's the only other way you can justify a fantasy race is how they handle tools. Telepathy while being bipedal I guess works as well.
The fact is most fantasy writers don't work backwards on an evolutionary perspective that would make their design viable. Bipedal humanoid is the most efficient form we know of but drawing out that design and making it more alien is quite easy but grotesque + unattractive or goofy.
Something with langly arms that throw spears and have large eyes due to eagle like vision for example.
Gorons are more the ye old mythology tale of dwarves which are golem like. You have bidpedal predators but protrusions from a body need purpose think of spore.
>>714614898And there's nothing wrong with that. Way better than the usual RP as female bs.
>>714615217so you're saying i'm really cool?
t-thanks
>>714605602 (OP)They're being unoriginal because every time they've tried to be original regarding races it sucked. Either go all human or go Tolkien.
>>714649553Going full Tolkien would be to make another race after WW2. As a veteran and a linguist he used his experiences and knowledge to create this world.
people still play skyrim because every other similar game either has humans only or the other races are some quirky fungus people
>>714649792Seriously. How many games are there that let you be a lizard or cat? Not a lot, let alone one that is of similar scope in an interesting world.
>>714650172>catkek, I remember playing that in dcss