The skill expression in Mario Kart World is fucking sick!
I too feel like a master for spamming the trick button
>kart racing game
>spend 90% of the track not actually racing on the track but grinding rails and bouncing around somewhere around the general vicinity of the track
>>714607651 (OP)It's undoubtedly the most technical MK. Shame about the track decisions.
>>714607793Now show post yourself spamming tricks into cuts.
This is the kart racing equivalent of that Cbyerpunk 2077 webm where the player bunnyhops around with their shotgun like they have ADHD
>>714607651 (OP)this looks retarded.
>>714607758You couldn't do that.
>>714607651 (OP)>do all that bullshit>still in 12th placeA lot of good that did you.
>>714608219Why you keep reposting this? The other thread just got deleted like five minutes ago.
Trying to bait paople again?
>>714608116You mean the space out that had no benefit whatsoever unlike this (avoiding items packs and gaining speed)? Yeah totally.
why did nintendo release the mario kart game that uses "look at this tough thing you can do if you're good" as a selling point at the same time they finally re-released GX, a game that blows every mario kart game out of the water because it's made by and for true racing sickos instead of children
they should've just made a game that's even wackier for the kids so it can compete with roblox or something
YEAH KEEP REPOSTING AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN I BET THIS TIME YOU WILL GET MORE REPLIES!
>>714604681>>>714604681>>714604681>>>714604681
>>714608435calm down, schizo
>>714607814Look at this retard who has never heard of a shortcut
>>714607651 (OP)the banana dodge was pretty sick.
>>714608219everyone is in the same car. i hate metagames.
>>714608354he didn't gain any speed really. it's just fancy tricks for the sake of showing off. it doesn't help at all in a way that is impactful besides style points.
>land within 5 meters of a faggot rail
>game removes all control from the player and autoplays for the next 30+ seconds
Bravo nintendo, masterfully done.
>>714608545I's the optimal time trial route. The reason it looks like it barely did anything for the player is because the players below got speed items. You can see one of them pulling ahead with a star. If the player wouldn't have used that route they would have fallen behind.
>>714608727>time trialso useless for online.
>>714608579Everyone who's played the game knows you're full of shit
>>714607651 (OP)>all that to go from 13th to 11th against people who are barely even paying attentionthis game is so fucking shit my god
All that rail grinding makes me think they're testing the waters for a Mario Skating game.
>>714607651 (OP)>fly all over the place and pull off what look like several shortcut tricks in a row>go from 14th to 12th place
>>714607651 (OP)>skill expressionbro you're in 11th place
>>714609345He's item smuggling
>>714608462Shortcuts aren't meant to completely ignore the track. They're meant to be single cuts and normally require mushrooms so you have a reason not to just take them over and over. I mean look at the OP webm, the driver isn't even the only person doing that.
>>714609642Don't bother. It's a baby game yet even that is too much to grasp for this 3rd worlder board
>>714608462What shortcut is the Toadette in OP's video taking? She goes from 13th place to 12th place after doing 10 times the work as any other driver.
>>714609767>it's a baby game>so that's why i need to try as hard as humanly possible and style on literal childrenhuh?
>>714607651 (OP)IT'S IMPORTANT TO PRACTICE GOOD HYGIENE
AT LEAST IF YOU WANT TO RUN WITH MY TEAM
>>714608497You didn't complain about everyone using the same karts in 64
>>714607651 (OP)>all that>barely went up 1 position lol, lmao even
>>714609868if literal children are in 9k rooms then they're already mogging the boomers on this board.
>>714609830Look how much further the players ahead were at the beginning of the clip in terms of distance and where she ended up with her megamushroom even though the other players were using up their speed items.
>>714608219why did you cut off the part where he fell off?
>>714610042it's baby games though. anyone can get to that level.
>>714609830He's in the final lap and skipping item boxes too, it's throwing the game.
blunder of the century. better luck next decade.
>>714610230Anyone but /v/, strangely enough. No matter what game it seems like nobody just feels like trying.
>>714610418if it's not fun, why bother? it's not as good as 8.
>>714610230It's funny how games like this and Splatoon manage to have a higher skill ceiling than other games in their genres.
>>714610584not really funny. nips are just autistic in splatroon.
>has to behave like a spastic to go from 13th to 12th
wow so much fun, thanks nintendo....
>>714610238Oh yeah, is it?
I'd go play THPS or SSX if I wanted this
Not a cart racing game
>>714611576He did place well, but said placement was due to the shock dodge and the shortcut probably made no difference. Nta btw so this is not me moving the goalpost to win the argument or whatever, just making an observation.
>>714611785The shortcut facilitated the item smuggle of the mega mushroom which allowed the shock dodge.
One thing bothers me is that those rail/wall tricks rarely give you a big lead because speed is fixed on rails. Itโs pretty comparable to regular jumping and drifting
>>714611936Realistically, how would his placement have differed if he hadn't taken the shortcut and just used the mega at the correct time to dodge shock regardless?
>>714607651 (OP)>30 jumps>still 13thBravo Nolan
>>714607651 (OP)>gained one placekek
>>714611576>4th and only because the itemsYeah all of these jumps were pointless
>>714607651 (OP)Too bad you don't get to express your skill because Nintendo forces you to play the gay straightaways.
>>714608497>everyone is in the same car. i hate metagames.The karts literally do not matter. What matters is how you drive.
People going on about
>all that effort for 2 places
The driver fucks up and goes perpendicular to the track where a jump is. Without the new mechanics they would be far worse than 12th.
This is also ignoring that every other player has access to the same tricks, doing their own thing and making their own line instead of following the exact same line or following some arrows
>>714611576>lucky dodge, still only 4th
>F1? Fuck that, I'm trying to win the Nintendo Cup in that new Nintendo game, Nintendo Kart.
I'm still waiting for the Skill Expression examples. None have been posted ITT
>>714607651 (OP)This game fucking sucks
I hate everything I've seen from the webms posted here and I hate you OP.
There are only two skills you need in Mario Kart world:
1. use your mushroom properly
2. dodge blue shell
If there was an actual skill ceiling in this game Nintendo would patch it out
They hate it when players get uppity and have fun in unintended ways
>>714612939You need to know map layouts and shortcuts. If you don't you'll consistently get last place when playing with better players.
>>714613090Anon, Nintendo literally did that. They patched out being able to play actual tracks in online randoms. You can only play the actual tracks offline or if you join a Discord group.
>>714607651 (OP)>literal on-rails shit in a game where actual shortcuts are invisible wall'd>"muh skill expression"Do people even play MKW anymore
>>714609185A Tony Hawk-style skateboarding game with a Mario spin could be amazing.
>>714613542Still better than 8's shortcuts.
>>714607651 (OP)>skill expression
>>714613529He should've sniped himself with his own banana to dodge the blue shell. Skill issue.
>>714613529>here's your game of skill, bro
>>714608219You're tricking on rails wrong, dumbass.
Spamming it is slower than doing it, letting the boost ride for a second, then doing it again.
You're literally canceling your trick boost, retard
>>714613937Does that even world in World? I thought blue shell overrides any other wipeout in the modern MKs
>everyone stops picking random without realizing that if random chooses a course that doesn't connect to the one you're currently on you can still get a 3 lap course while complaining about how they're always stuck with intermission tracks
i just don't get it
>>714607651 (OP)Looks like Tony Hawk
>>714614743You've heard of discord fighters, Nintendo made the game into a discord racing game. LMAO
>>714607651 (OP)This isn't even your clip, you stole it from an e-celeb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLIt4s7NKM0&t=2167s
>>714616503Didn't think it worked in 8. World definitely isn't 8 however, so that question is still up in the air.
>>714607651 (OP)This makes Sonic Colors look like a super advanced high skill ceiling game.
>>714607651 (OP)>All that effort>for only 2 places >one just plain fell off the tracklol
>>714613529>this is what anti-competitive fags want to play
is it called expression because it doesn't actually accomplish anything?
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>>714612967>Meta doesn't matte-
If your game needs you to drive outside of the course lines and forces you to do gay little flips and tricks then it's a shitty game
>>714617298Even in the designated Discord sweat server you find people at high MMR dicking around on picks like Fish Bones, King Boo, and Cataquack.
Can I get a good quality Switch 2 for cheap yet? Not worth spending full price to get a 1 game console
>>714613937Nintendo got rid of that in World, it's impossible to dodge the blue shell through iframes
Nintendo made it so that the explosion of the blue shell is unique in that it always hits you no matter what previous state you're in, so if you get hit by a banana or hit by a shell and get blue'd while you're still in the hurt animation, you'll get hurt again and be double fucked
>>714612967Is it just me or is it way worse to be in 1st place than any other MK game?
Why is knockout objectively the best mode in the game?
>>714614743I hate using discord but in this instance I'll deal with it over having to play fucking hours of nothing but intermissions online currently
>>714616663ShortCat is /ourguy/
>>714618714Bagging is overly strong in World so yes, it's worse to be in 1st.
>>714620362W for him for suggesting that discord. I had just about gave up playing this game online but the lobbies there are great.
>>714620782this time trial is already very outdated now btw.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxkF6HPA5Js
>Doing the optimal route that shortcat told you to do on Youtube is the ultimate form of player expression
>>714617298What's the deal with the time trials only tier?
>>714621301The girls and enemies are the lightest weights and have max accel and handling, perfect for rail heavy tracks
Bowser has the max speed in all stats which is necessary for some tracks.
>>714609745>the driver isn't even the only person doing that.Yes anon, World has tracks where there are tons of different routes you can take. The reality is grinding on rails has its own drawbacks. You're far more likely to be targeted and have no where to run. If you take the most popular shortcuts, you're going to get blown the fuck out because people are going to punish you for going the same route as them. So you need to mix the routes you take and realize grinding that rail is not a ticket to victory. It has its own risks that aren't always worth the fraction of a second it might shave off from your overall time.
>>714610671>the skill ceiling isn't high, the players are just autisticthis is literally every competitive game ever. It's like saying Smash Bros isn't hard to be the best at but it's just people are "autistic". No shit man. If you're on this site having this discussion right now, chances are you're somewhere on the spectrum too, except you still cope about why you're bad at games.
>>714620484>Bagging is overly strong in World so yesWasn't bagging overly strong in MK8 as well? So much so that they had to outright nerf it, and yet it was still the winning strategy?
Being in first place in ANY mario kart game with blue shells is dangerous. Hanging in second is one of the best places you can be.
>>714613529I fucking kek'd
>>714621608the problem is that it's even worse in world because all you ever fucking get online is intermissions over regular tracks where regular driving matters.
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>>714613937for some fucking reason world doesn't let you cancel the blue shells hitstun at all.
>>714607651 (OP)>all that and still in 12thThis game is ass.
>>714607651 (OP)I'm not paying $80 for a game
>>714621301without items everywhere, the meta becomes either high acceleration low speed if there are a lot of tricks, or high speed low acceleration if there are a lot of straightaways
>>714613529whats nuts is despite all of this, wii was somehow still even worse for item balance
>>714621069The new shy gay bazaar one record is also sick so I should make one for that as well.
>>714608375what the fuck, that's sick.
>>714607651 (OP)I always have problems with that first wall on the left. Is it tied to your vehicle combo? I'm on medium bike and can never land before the yellow sign. It is hard to land on the sign itself and I climb the wall much later.
>>714607651 (OP)>skill expression>conga line of racers doing OPs gimmick step by step without error, just a few frames earliermetafags are disgusting
>>714608461Yes, yes (you) are.
>>714622910>taking huge gap jumps without mushrooms because the game says "good try ol' champ" and puts you on the ledge>driving is unnecessary because of all the rails you get magnetized to removing the need to steer
>>714608219The physics of that make no sense
>>714611576great bait you almost got me
>buy mariokart
>it's actually jet set radio
i'm not even mad
>>714607651 (OP)True and still so fun
Mario Kart World is the most adhd game nintendo has every made. SKIP.
>>714607651 (OP)When I see this shit I'm am reminded of those aggressive gay speed walkers in the Olympics. Hyper optimisation of something that is inherently ridiculous and limited which ultimately makes you look like a stupid homo.
>>714625962so you are invested enough in vidya to post on a vidya forum but think all competitive gaming is inherently ridiculous and stupid-looking??? insecure lil' bitchboy.
80 dollars for a game and theres no podium with characters commemorating the win, lazy shit
>>714621608The problem being in second is you're a red shield sponge for 1st place. 3rd and 4th frequently get reds, and 2nd is getting fucked by those super hard.
The best place to be is in the back in any game with strong shortcuts. Middle packers get raped by items, front place gets raped by blue shells, high placers get raped by red shells, and back placers get all the strong items.
>>714626109>tendie thinks MK is competitivekek, thankyou for proving my point. instead of playing a real racing game you speedwalk like a homosexual.
>>714607651 (OP)>BING BING WAHOOO>Yeah take that, fucking piece of shit. You worthless lazy noob, you will never accomplish anything in your life, bro. You SUCK sooooo HARD at this game. Bro gotta rethink his life choice. Probably still lives with his mommy lmao fucking libtard I know you're a libtard just from how you play fucking scumbag also a nigger trannie lool get owned neetfag. What's your response, huh? Timmy2015? How old are you?>I'm 10 years old
>>714624591Anon, the physics haven't made sense in Mario Kart for a long, long time. Even ignoring shit like Rainbow Road floating in space, you have underwater driving in 7 and 8, anti-gravity driving in 8, and mid-air tricks giving you speed boosts in Wii, 7, 8, and World.
>>714626647Why are anti-comp-fags making up bogeymen? Imagine getting owned by your own strawman, a strawman you deliberately made 10 years old.
>>714626573astounding retardation. what do you think video games even are?
>>714626780>anti-compOr maybe they're just making fun of you for bragging about being good at a Mario Kart game
>>714626780https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RkapfBYIfc
>>714620782>on magnetic rails for 3/4ths of the clipSo much skill expression. Much wow.
>>714626895Stop being bad and getting mad at people who are good.
>>714621301light chars get more boosts from rails and tricks so they're preferred on tracks with those. otherwise you use bowser who's just the fastest ground speed, and try avoiding doing trick spam on those
in online you want a bit of everything which is why the blooper kart is the best. bowsers good in knock out tour if you can frontrun safetly, but no acceleration sucks with item spam recovery
>>714608219>slam into a wall>instead of fucking exploding you start driving along the wall before magnetizing and snapping to the top of itthis looks like the least fun, gayest racing game ever, not gonna lie. if the track itself presents absolutely zero danger and requires no skill to traverse, and the only real threats are other players using auto-aiming items at you literally whats the point of playing the game?
>>714625462Oh, it's gonna get so much worse from now on...
NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT DO THAT ITS A CASUAL GAME STOP BEING BETTER THAN ME STOOOOOOOOP
>>714607651 (OP)>plays as toadetteWhy are hardcore tendies always such troons? What isn't about enjoying bing bing wahoo that makes one a total cock fiend and possible pedo?
Just look at all the pederasty and deviancy in the poketuber and smash community. Like wtf is going on there?
>>714626886all sports are for children, says the tendie playing competitive hopscotch with toddlers. you cant laugh at me because you play football and all SPORTS ARE FOR KIDS!
>>714627742a victory in a videogame is real world activism, which is why you can't have swastikas because each time you win hitler himself is winning.
>>714608375>nintendo game looks sick >look inside>SEGA every time
>>714627435you're watching someone who has autistically practiced that route for hours, if you try the same thing you will not snap and you will fail.
>>714609642There's literally no difference between "item smuggling" and legitimately being bad at the game
You can't tell
>>714612939no tight drift? no entering curves on the optimal angle? really?
>>714607758No bro you don't get it you press x to yipee
>>714628660The hard part isn't really doing it once or twice, it's consistency. You may just get it on your first try, but then you find out that you don't get it on your second or third. I swear I'm constantly finding new ways to fuck up and fail at this shit.
>>714607651 (OP)I haven't played a MK since DD came out what the fuck is this autistic speedrunning tiktok dopamine assault shit
>>714627680Yeah this board is pathetic what else is new
>>714624365>driving is unnecessary because of all the rails you get magnetized to removing the need to steerThis isn't completely true. Rails a lot of the time can be precise as fuck to land on
I wonder what a person whose last Mario Kart game was MKDS would think if they woke up from a coma and looked at this.
What the fuck does skill expression even mean? Is it different from 'being skilled' at a game or is it another example of retarded zoomie lingo.
>HAHA MKW DOESN'T LET YOU DO SHORTCUTS CHUD! SEE THIS IS THE SUPERIOR WESTERN KART RACE-
>>714627435Most of the tricks you see in vids are nowhere as easy as they look to do. I thought the same before I got world recently
>>714627680>>714629820This isn't a /v/ thing, either. /vp/ gets mad at people who are good at competitive too. I wouldn't be surprised of /vg/ also gets angry at people who are good at the multiplayer games.
>>714629329Nintendo discovered that the more bings and wahoos there are in their games, the more loyal the fanbase becomes
>>714630406Skill expression means the extent to which a person that is good at the game can actually capitalize on that skill. So for instance, in a Mario Kart track that was just a straight line, you wouldn't have much skill expression because the optimal way to drive it would be just to hold A in a straight line better than other people. Once you introduce twists and turns you're going to have to start thinking about optimal race lines. Once you add more complexity to the tracks and give players more mechanics that can aid them, if performed correctly, or fuck them over, if performed incorrectly, you've introduced a higher degree of skill expression. The argument presented in the OP is that bing bing wahoo rail jumping is a form of skill expression.
>>714630406Skill expression is when you have multiple ways, if you're skilled, of winning. Some games/characters/etc have very straightforward wincons where you have just one or two ways to play successfully and everything else is a failure. Games with high skill expression give you multiple ways to skin a cat.
>>714631121>>714631253Oh okay, that does make sense. Thanks a lot.
Is there really much point when all optimal routes will eventually be found and thus turn any high level play into a bunch of spastic retards bouncing all over the place?
>>714631121Rail jumping is a form of skill expression. If you've played World, you'd understand how volatile rail grinding and jumps can be. You don't just immediately magnetize to the rails like a Smash 4/Ultimate characters does to the ledge. It's more like Smash 64 where if you don't precisely hit that ledge you just miss it and die.
Not only that, but the rails do add a large degree of skill expression since they're often times faster than taking tight turns on the road, but you can't get back on when you fall off, you can be bumped off by anyone else who takes the rails, and items will follow the rails basically turning them into shell magnets. They add a large degree of risk/reward to racing and are fairly difficult themselves (depending on the stage of course).
>>714607651 (OP)they made the game adhd accessible?
>>714607651 (OP)it's not Wario Stadium 64 without Wario's face plastered everywhere man
>>714631509shut up
with this made up bullshit
>>714631415Yeah, that's the point of multiplayer. Optimal paths are fine and all, but you've got to weigh the risks of taking them and getting hit by items leaving you in a worse spot than before. You also don't get item boxes on optimal paths leading to you getting being at a huge disadvantage.
>>714631509>where if you don't precisely hit that ledge you just miss it and dielol
>>714631832Most rails in MKW are over off-road or over a cliff you can fall off. Missing a rail can send you back several places where you'll then be gangbanged by the 10 people with crazy items.
>>714631509nigga we can clearly see the game magnetizing and then snapping you to the ledge in your own shitty webm
>>714632106But no such thing happens in the webm.
>>714632106Rails =/= walls retard. You don't magnetize to walls either. The wall riding physics are entirely different from road/rail driving.
>>714607651 (OP)>I'm going to make my game clunkier and more annoying to play>I'm going to call the result skill expression!Fuck off with this shit, man.
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Only actual skill is learning the water tracks and even then unless its wario shipyard youre still mostly just following a line.
>>714632537The game isn't clunkier though. The only thing about it that is clunky is the online. Nintendo really fucked up the online after nearly perfecting it in 8.
>>714632802I'm not talking about Nintendo. I'm talking about this dumbass trend in game design.
>>714632857I blame Demon/Dark Souls
>>714632992No, if anything it's League of Legends.
>>714631509that webm shows the issue with tricks, that path is considerably slower than just driving in the waterlane. it's not even risk and reward, there is no reward
>>714633317There are times when its faster, but mainly when it doubles as a shortcut. Which ties into the big complaint about intermissions, the track doesn't turn enough for there to be cuts like this. While still having massive cuts that use golden mushrooms that enable bagging.
I am an adult male. I will not be playing any hand held nintendo game.
>>714620782i think the wall-ride phase where it's sorof just floating across the flat ground is really unpleasing to look at.
>>714633317That's why it's important to know track layouts. A lot of times the rails/walls are actually faster. It all depends on your gameplan. Sometimes even the slower rails end up being faster if you avoid the pack and still get items.
>>714607651 (OP)>mario kart is now don't touch the lava + discount tony hawkweird
>>714608219>>714607651 (OP)Looks extremely easy to do. Like your mom.
Why is /v/ so mad about mario kart?
>>714607651 (OP)>>714608219>All that to still be in bottom placesAll flash and no substance. I will be buying Crossworlds instead.
>>714613542>Do people even play MKW anymoreNot many. people are leaving the game in droves
>>714608219retards like you and every one on the same car its why Nintendo gave us now more transitory tracks
fucking metafags
>>714607651 (OP)why do zoomers always add words when they're not needed and remove them when they are?
>>714636227Unfortunate but expected. I genuinely think Nintendo wanted MKW to hard-carry Switch 2's dogshit launch and speculate they were banking hard off 8's good will (sales). Turns out making a shite open world inbetween a few scattered tracks doesn't make MK suddenly have content worthy of holding up an entire console.
>>714636040Snoys can't host /v/kends because they play nothing but cinematic slop.
>>714636569Do you enjoy being delusional?
>>714625467Sold more than last week btw
I think eventually the meta will evolve to featherweights on the mach bike.
the speed stat just doesn't matter enough in VS races with how dominant speed items are. being able to recover instantly is super useful, and the handling means you can go for shortcuts way easier.
>>714636934>Sales numbers! YOU'RE delusional!Thanks for the (You) I guess
>>714637635So same thing as always since miniturbos get more and more OP as they keep making games.
>>714607651 (OP)more of a bad tony hawk then it is a racing game
>>714630215you can see the game move you to it the shit look jank
>>714630493if you cleared that you'd fall to your death guess the game needs walls for retards like you anon
>>714640704Stop talking about shit you know nothing about.
>>714640782yes a hop that just about make it over you'd fall
to your death but I guess if it was MK you'd snap to the other side so no wonder you confused
>>714631509the racers in the bottom driving straight are going faster
>>714621608Track to track basic. You never want to frontrun on cheeseland because the shortcuts are basically a whole lap gained, but never in Sky-High Sundae because there's no shortcuts and you just pray the race ends before there's a shock or blue shell.
>>714640971>drive straight>get hit by 300 items>drive on walls>dont get hithmm
>>714630493MKW doesnt let you do anything
>>714608375How many times do you tryhards have to be told? Mario Kart is a casual series. Whining that the new things they added in for slightly more skilled players don't compare to things in other more hardcore racing games just makes you look like dipshits.
>>714642605>slightly more skilled playersMag grinding rails takes less skill than navigating the track
>>714642605>How many times do you tryhards have to be told?Repeating a lie a million times won't make it true, so infinitely.
Iโm glad I donโt have to see dumb roller wheels anymore
>>714643068Found the incel who thinks Mario Kart is comparable to racing games that require skill.
>>714643347>Found the incel who thinks Mario Kart is comparable to racing games that require skill.Repeating a lie a million times won't make it true, so infinitely.
How do I turn that gay shit off and only race with people who want to drive on the road like reasonable people do?
>>714641982>posts mario kart 8 webmwhat did he mean by this?
>>714643812Keep telling yourself that, incel.
>>714642883Only if they are straight. If it curves and bends you need to make sure you land on them if you're tricking for boosts, and actually landing on them are tricky as well because you're not getting magnetized onto them unless you're on track to land on them.
>>714617298Diddy Kong isn't in the game. Right?
>>714647785Probably waiting for Bananza to release to do some DK DLC. Which reminds me, has anyone tried datamining this game to see for potential future DLC characters or tracks?
>>714607651 (OP)all that shit and youre still losing
>>714608375This is cool but also clearly cool in a different way than the Mario Kart webm.
>>714607651 (OP)i think i just hate tricks in racing games now
>>714607651 (OP)Man, look at that crisp 30 fps
>>714607651 (OP)This board amazes me sometimes with how stupid it is. Yet again, even if you had good intentions and was open minded you can't really understand how easy or hard something is just by looking at webm. I thought the skip on great block ruins was hard before trying it and realizing it is actually very forgiving with a huge window of error worst case scenario you land on the cloud, but that FUCKING WALL ON THE LEFT from op post driving me crazy.