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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:18:47 AM No.714622669
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Is it fair to say that Death Stranding 2 is Kojima's best written game?

I actually feel like he listened to a lot of the criticism of DS1. Dialogue feels more natural, characters ramble way less, the emotional moments mostly hit and the cast is pretty solid. Sam feels more like a proper character in this game and I like how they leaned into him being a weird sperg. Higgs chews the scenery but in a really fun way. It's still got a lot of Kojima'isms but its mostly the charming enjoyable kind, I only found myself thinking "Oh shut the fuck up" like 5 times or so, which is pretty good for a Kojima game.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:22:27 AM No.714622929
>>714622669 (OP)
No. The first 3 MGS games are miles ahead. Ha Ka Bla bla plate gates boring boring, the only reason it seems tolerable here is that a lot of the exposition was gotten out in the first DS. All the DS lore still suckS
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:23:12 AM No.714622984
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>>714622669 (OP)
It's probably his most consistent and fleshed out game in a long time
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:23:58 AM No.714623040
>>714622929
aka the games not written by kojima.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:28:43 AM No.714623394
>>714622669 (OP)
>Dialogue feels more natural, characters ramble way less, the emotional moments mostly hit and the cast is pretty solid.
When was the last time you talked to a human being?
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:28:50 AM No.714623408
>>714622929
>The first 3 MGS games are miles ahead
When was the last time you actually replayed them? I thought they were the peak of storytelling as a teen but going back to them was rough. They really are full of "I'm 12 and this is deep" shit
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:31:14 AM No.714623543
>>714623394
Clearly you don't know just how bad Kojima babble can get
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:34:39 AM No.714623774
>>714622669 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:39:11 AM No.714624089
>>714623543
Oh I know, but DS2 is this shit getting worse. For 90% of the game you only get Kojima autism without the fun characters.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:39:16 AM No.714624094
>>714623408
Brother, DS2 is full of “I’m 12 and this is deep” shit.

Kojima is a fraud. He can make cool visuals but do NOT let him write without someone there to rein him in.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:40:57 AM No.714624218
>>714623774
Why you being the Joker dude
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:46:02 AM No.714624578
>>714624094
>Brother, DS2 is full of “I’m 12 and this is deep” shit.
Its his most earnest and straightforward story since MGS3. The on the nose social commentary and real world pararells are there, but for once he doesnt get completely bogged down by that shit and it has a final act thats actually awesome instead of preachy and annoying.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:48:16 AM No.714624726
>>714624218
Peak comedy post
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:49:35 AM No.714624827
>>714623408
Last couple of years

>>714624578
The woo woo lore of DS makes any ‘straightforward’ story impossible, the mechanics of the plot are all arbitrary
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 12:54:43 AM No.714625184
>>714624827
DS lore isnt that weird or out there honestly, it just takes a supernatural concept (what if the dead invaded the world of the living) but then treats it like sci-fi with lots of pseudo-science like ghosts literally being anti-matter and fetuses seeing ghost because they're "half alive". Its not nearly as inconsistent and wacky as people make it out to be.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:02:23 AM No.714625670
>>714622669 (OP)
Sam is by far the most uninteresting protagonist Ive seen in a while, even fucking raiden is more interesting, silent type protagonist done wrong. The writing is the worst part and you know it even more than the gameplay itself and Dollman is the proof of it. Dollman is just a Mimir on sterioids, he spoonfeeds you everything so you dont get lost, the issue is that the story is so oversaturated with useless information, stupid terminology and of course Kojimas own brain farts that makes Dollman talk nonstop and by the end you just want him to shut the fuck up. The characters are just plot devices, underdeveloped excuses for Kojima to justify Hollywood actors paychecks. The structure of the story is a mess thats why you get a bunch of chapters squeezed together by the end of the game. The dialogue is stupid as fuck, anime level of dialogue, too many lines of dialogue to explain something very simple
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:02:50 AM No.714625689
>>714625184
It’s about being weird, it’s too expansive and arbitrary, anything or nothing could happen. Someone could die and come back or not, or they could die but stay alive then die for real, or die but come back as a ghost but the ghost isn’t real but it doesn’t matter because they weren’t dead to begin with because of another arbitrary rule about teleportation which could just as easily work differently in another scenario. Just imagine a situation and ask yourself ‘is this possible in DS world?’, the answer’s probably yes. Then imagine the exact opposite and contradictory scenario, the answer’s probably also yes.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:03:51 AM No.714625761
>>714625689
Not about being weird*
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:06:35 AM No.714625929
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>>714622984
Pekora is so cute. I wish Anya was in it too though.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:07:00 AM No.714625960
>>714625689
The way beaches, the chiral network, BT's, repatriates etc function is all pretty well laid out. The only one thats pretty iffy is timefall, but thats mostly because time shit is always a giant can of worms in any storytelling, and its mostly just an excuse to have enviroments that look absolutely nothing like IRL
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:18:42 AM No.714626731
>>714625960
No, literally every supporting character has some quirk that invents new rules or changes the old ones. Why doesn’t every void out create an APAC like hive mind?
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:25:35 AM No.714627195
>>714624094
Stop projecting. 12 years old don't play this game. They play whatever nintendo shits out and Call of Battlefield.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 1:26:45 AM No.714627278
>>714622669 (OP)
Doesn't it have gay shit? I'm not paying tenddy money for a game with homos.
I also had mixed feels about DS1 so I don't know if I would enjoy more of it.
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:06:42 AM No.714630081
>>714627278
>Doesn't it have gay shit?
no, and you should dig a hole with your forehead for even believing whoever told you that
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Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:11:44 AM No.714630421
>>714630081
>no
Maybe I'll try it when comes to PC.
>you should dig a hole with your forehead for even believing whoever told you that
Don't insult me for hating homos. God hates fags and like elephants so I do as well.
Anonymous
7/6/2025, 2:21:23 AM No.714631054
>>714622669 (OP)
No.
First of all. His best written game from a purist perspective is MG1, since it has no retcons. It is the standalone game. MGS1 changes Snake from a half japanese character to a clone of Big Boss, who is just a full white guy. It also says that BB is the father of snake, when that never was mentioned or alluded to in MG1 or MG2.

Now, actual writting (which I measure by how few times it made me cringe). MGS2 and MGS3 have the best writing and made me cringe the least.
Death Stranding was well written and DS2 was also decent but it is bloated with neologisms