what's this? a remaster by square-enix? of a beloved SNES game? that doesn't totally suck? that actually brings original creatives back for the remaster? are you fucking SHITTING me?

discuss, if you wish, this not-flawless but very-good port of the greatest Final Fantasy of all time. i'm playing it for the first time right now. i see they're not using the Woolsey translation, curious to see if this will be better. so far, it feels a little more mature.

this is the second instance where they do not bother to check if "L" left-shoulder button is even a real button... it doesn't correlate to the actual mapping which is kind of funny. how did they overlook this?

>>714628807 (OP)
It sucks. The sprites look worse. The music is worse. They left out animations (like Mog's dance twirl. He just fucking stands there). Just play a rom of the SNES version.

>>714629281
i'm evaluating this in the context of Square-Enix being absolutely shit at ports. for the record, this is the only port i've ever considered playing. all the rest are so obviously badly implemented garbage, i gave them a pass.

it's not perfect, obviously. but i can see the effort. gonna have to emphatically disagree on the music. i think it's both faithful, and a welcome arrangement. similarly the sprites have retained their character despite the upgrade. this is easily the best attempt at improving the sprites i have seen to date.

i've played the ROM so many times, and the Brave New World romhack which is think is a clear upgrade... i really doubt they made this any harder than the original. but it's a nice nostalgia trip.

>>714628807 (OP)
I think it is the weakest of the PR, doesnt mean it is bad or anything but
1. the music for some songs are way overdone (searching for friends, boss theme)
2. FF6 in general has a more dark shading in its graphics, like it has more shadows and muted colors unlike others, giving it its identity. That shading doesnt exist in PR.

The best, by far, was FFV for me. Too many cool upgrades in music and graphics, and how they added the dark void hole at the end vs Neo exdeath. The music is also beautiful, every single track is better than the OG (well, except Exdeath battle theme which was better in the OG). Lenna theme is just so beautiful and the battle theme got the justice it deserved by adding a beautiful second part to it.

The remake of the Opera scene was great

>>714629547
like, for example, i am glad there is an autobattle feature. but i would have much preferred they just made the game harder. make me have to think during a battle. this is what the BNW romhack did.

>>714628807 (OP)
I don't mean to derail your thread about a version of the game I haven't played, but it is my firm belief that Kefka is nothing without Woolsey. His rushed and liberty-taking translation injected personality into a character that was rather flat in the original japanese script.

>>714629547
>i really doubt they made this any harder than the original. but it's a nice nostalgia trip.
Well, you thought wrong, because it is harder. In fact i got stuck at the tentacle boss in World of ruin / Figaro. Thats becuse the enemies now use way more special attacks and the ATB is very quick.
There are some other great upgrades as well like knowing what Gau powers do and Cyan got a big Bushido buff as well.

>>714628807 (OP)
>that actually brings original creatives back for the remaster?
Most of Square's remasters have done this.

>>714629714
if i see anything egregious, or memorable, i'll let you know. figaro is coming up. if this thread stays alive.
i have nothing against the woolsey translation, i grew up with it. and i don't read japanese. i'll take your word for it tho.

>>714629903
SPOILERS: The submariner line is gone. Eaten by a sandworm.

>>714629660
>2. FF6 in general has a more dark shading in its graphics, like it has more shadows and muted colors unlike others, giving it its identity. That shading doesnt exist in PR.
i noticed this immediately. i always describe the SNES version as "baroque". it's beautiful and forbidding in a way.

Edgar's color palette has changed radically. i mean, it's not awful. but it's odd.
also, annoying, there are these 1-second pauses between maps which is so ridiculous. i have a powerful PC, this should not be happening. Square-Enix ports...

>>714630214
>Edgar's color palette has changed radically
now it is more like the recent portrayals.

This is what the naming screen looks like now. You don't get the Amano portrait without going to the menu.

>>714630214
i like the gold and lighter blues, makes him more distinct from Sabin with his more natural tones.

Enter... Kefka. They're keeping some of the Woolsey here.

>>714629986
That is a sadness.

>>714631030
sprite looks real good, very nice. closer to the portrait.

>>714631145
it always bothered me how disparate his world sprite, battle sprite and CG model in the PS1 version were. they might as well have all been different characters for the lack of consistency between them.

>>714629281
>They left out animations (like Mog's dance twirl. He just fucking stands there).
Mog still twirls. It just depends on the dance now. Defensive dances have a twirl. Offensive dances do not.

>>714630756
I have a strange affection for the ALL CAPS names. I know it's typographically a crime, but they feel cozy to me.

>>714631247
after my first playthrough, i always changed those. so i didn't even notice. nice catch.

Edgar with his priorities... calm down man.

Well, if you're going to be comparing sprites, may as well post the big one some autist Anon made.

>>714631502
holy crap

>>714631219
They should've flipped that. There are far more offensive dances than defensive ones. Makes it feel like he never twirls.

check out these fire sprites, they are huge.
how does Edgar's castle burn anyway? it's stone and metal...

>>714631735
It's magitek, I ain't gotta explain shit.

references to killing you wouldn't see in the original Woolsey...

>>714631502
>they redid 6's Pixel Remaster sprites at some point
Huh, didn't know that. Neat. I mean most of those changes are barely noticeable but still neat.

>>714629660
>1. the music for some songs are way overdone (searching for friends, boss theme)
I like the new Boss Battle. it was always supposed to be a rock song. E. organ, e. guitar, fiddle... it's all here. Sounds fucking great.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure she tells them to stop swooning over here in the SNES version. it's gone now.

>>714629986
you weren't joking... bummer man.

Yeah because POISON wouldn't make sense right Square-Enix... can I just say how much I hate the naming convention of elemental magic since VIII? It's always struck me as bizarre. Nothing wrong with a number...

>>714628807 (OP)

It does totally suck. Mods make it passable but even then the original is superior.

>>714633050
There are mods for this? Intriguing...

New overworld minimap for the uninitiated... I memorized this so many years ago. It comes in three sizes.

The new WoB - Terras Theme is lovely. Really beautiful. The thing I love about these arrangements, other than being supervised by Uematsu, is they are highly faithful to the originals. There's added polyphony that might have been impossible with the SNES engine.

>>714629778
Sound rad, looking forward to additional challenge. Locke did get knocked out when I was fighting Marshall back in the Narshe caves. And yeah, it does feel faster. Combat is zippy at times.

>>714632939
Poisona heals poison, it's white magic.

At this point VI is completely unplayable for me without the Beyond Chaos randomizer, I could never go back to the base game.

>>714631502
Wow they actually made Leo black. Or swarthy, anyway... I don't like some of these changes. They drained all the age of out of Strago, now he just looks generic as hell. Relm is too pastel... What the fuck is up with Gogo.
I'll adjust but these are my first legit gripes with the game.

>>714633886
Oh my bad. Still. I know it's coming. Fira/Firaga etc...

>>714633902
Is that a mod? tell me more.

>>714629281
I like the new music. Especially Slam Shuffle

>>714633083
All six games are made in Unity, so the possibilities are almost limitless. FF1 has what is basically a full NES conversion.

>>714634181
>Is that a mod?
Romhack for the SNES version

>>714628807 (OP)
Mobile was better.

>>714634181
https://github.com/FF6BeyondChaos/BeyondChaosRandomizer/releases/tag/CE-6.1.3
Just try it yourself, it's hard to explain. If you know a lot about the mechanics of the game you'll have a blast. Make sure

>>714634181
>Is that a mod? tell me more.
highly customizable randomizer. it can mix up vanilla elements of the game like enemy/party member placement, swap abilities between characters and can also do totally randomized enemies/party members so it's like playing a different game every time.

>>714634997
I'll try it out, thanks. I really loved the BNW romhack, but it was literally too hard. I got completely fucking filtered by Atrma Weapon. I never made it to the WoR...

I'm a big fan of the pixel remasters. They're very moddable. Easy to make the definitve versions of the classics with a few tweaks.

>>714636113
are there significant gameplay mods like the SNES versions yet or is it still all just cosmetic mods?

>>714635891
Try T Edition if you haven't yet. It's challenging but fair and had alot of unlockable costumes, new summons, new boss fights, extra content to do in general.

>>714636197
i forgot i was in that modding discord and just checked and surprisingly yes, there's a mod that turns Cyan into a Dark Knight like Cecil, some kind of Hard Mode mod as well. not sure if there are any ports of SNES mods like BNW or T-Edition yet but at least there's some new cool stuff.

>>714636113
I just wish they all had the added content from the GBA releases. The extra post-game dungeon in 4, the extra jobs in 5, and the extra... boss? in 6 were all seamlessly added.

>>714636553
the extra boss in 6 was actually a dummied boss from the original they never had time to finish. i wouldn't mind seeing that content added myself.

So glad to hear people figured out how to mod these.
It felt like such a long time where it seemed like there was never going to be a way to add new content in.

>>714632256
>like the new Boss Battle. it was always supposed to be a rock song. E. organ, e. guitar, fiddle... it's all here. Sounds fucking great.
Eh, i think it was way too messy

Now, terra theme in PR, now THATS an upgrade. The double flute they added sounds just incredible

>>714629547
BNW was the most visceral time I've had with turn base combat. Absolutely brutal.

>>714636313
T-Edition is the best version of FF6 to me but I think to appreciate it more you need to play the original first. Beyond Chaos can be fun
if you like randomizers

>>714636758
soundtrack to PR is great but I thing the only song I didn't feel was as good as the original was Searching for Friends

>>714637226
>but I thing the only song I didn't feel was as good as the original was Searching for Friends
Thats because the original searching for friends starts really strong at the beginning and it syncs perfectly with the imagery of the airship coming out of the ocean. Its perfect.
The PR version starts really slow and it builds up. Its more like a Distant worlds rendition, music that you hear in an orchesta rather than in a videogame.

>>714628807 (OP)
The pixel remasters are pretty nice. They play extremely well, keep a fairly consistent look between the games, the music's fantastic, and they un-fucked the awful font so it's somewhat less awful now. They're kinda too expensive and yet they're still not as outrageous as the fucking Final Fantasy Tactics remaster

>>714628807 (OP)
>Pixel Remaster
What was wrong with the original sprites?

>>714637304
>music that you hear in an orchesta rather than in a videogame.
I think this is something that started to happen when games got voice acting. I noticed this with a lot of older games where the music was needed to convey emotions for the scene. but now the rely on voice acting with varying degrees of success.

>>714632042
It was pretty early on.
https://imgsli.com/MTE1MzQ5

>>714636702
they're based in the Unity Engine so modding was always possible it was just down to nerds actually figuring shit out and paving the way

>>714637708
They were old. And old = bad.

>>714628807 (OP)
I don't get hung up on shit like font, translation or localizing, because idgaf about narrative/ writing in games. imo arcade pacman has the appropriate amount of "plot" and "scenes" any game should have
That said, I had a lot of fun with all of them that I played. I got distracted mid-ff5, but plan to finish and play through 6 as well. My favorites are 3 and 5, but I just fuckin love job/ class based combat. Enough so that I even occasionally replay ffx-2 because the dressphere grid is essentially the same thing

>>714637708
Part of the remasters was updating the game engine/controls to run on mobile without an on screen gamepad overlay. That necessitated redoing the menus/interface at least. The first time they did it FF mobile it was an abomination. Which the Pixel Remasters they wanted to redo things in the style of the originals but without all of the exact sprite restrictions, and they did a pretty good job. If you want the uncut originals you can of course just emulate them.

>>714637304
I'm the OP. I looked up Searching for Friends. I'd say the major change that I appreciate the most is variety. There's more going on, especially in the 2nd half. Sounds like film music honestly, which I love. The electric bass is a little subdued. The added horns and timpani though... fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KziLSwUf_X8

>>714640773
god i still can't believe they actually greenlit the atrocious designs in the mobile port

>>714640773
>they wanted to redo things in the style of the originals
Not exactly. Primarily the devs wanted to update the first four games to the style of FF5. That's why a lot of graphics, particularly field sprites, have a FF5 feel to them.

>>714641078
it's even worse when juxtaposed with those shitty upscales they did on the world tiles... it just looks horrible.
Why I've always avoided the ports. Well, that and not having a GBA, lol.

>>714641226
They've still got things the Pixel Remasters don't, which is the GBA content.

>>714641305
sure, i've heard about the infinite dungeon and stuff. doesn't sound terribly compelling.
if it had a new track by Uematsu or something, then I would be excited. The main reason I got excited about PR is when I heard Uematsu was supervising/scoring the remake. I've waited for this for like 30 years...

>>714641454
the extra content is just extra content, none of it really amounts to much. maybe FF4 links to the mobile sequels they did? and not FF but Chrono Trigger's extra content in the DS version does link back to Cross and Radical Dreamers.

>>714628807 (OP)
I decided play the PSP version of FF1. Is this a good choice?

>>714636869
It really is great. So many things about it are great... I think the 30 level cap is way too brutal, but like, the first time you step into Mystic Forest and get into a battle.. AND THE MUSIC KEEPS PLAYING, oh my god. So much better.
One of these days I WILL beat it, but I'm going to need a guide to get past Atma.

>>714640773
5 and 6 look best on snes
4 looks better on pr
1 looks better on ps1
But the differences aren't enough to ruin the experience or anything

>>714641618
4's Lunar Dungeon doesn't link to The After Years, but TAY did take the general idea of Kain's scenario and retooled it to insert into the plot.

>>714632360
could be worse

>>714642159
why is Todd Howard jizzing in the river?

>>714642159
What an artifact that is... is SA still alive?

So wait, there were two atma/ultima weapons created: the floating continent boss and the shitty sword you sell for 1 gil. But how does atma/ultima buster fit in? Just another random monster that happens to look the same with a similar name?

>pixel remaster
>has less detail

>>714629547
>all the rest are so obviously badly implemented garbage, i gave them a pass.
you think this is different? they somehow made the most choppy looking 2D game i've ever played with this "remaster" because they all the animations don't line up at 60fps

>>714642570
The second Atma in Kefka's tower? Obviously a creation by Kefka. Either he remade Atma or resurrected the original from the FC.

>>714642159
Wow one or two of these are actually funny, how'd that happen?

>>714641165
I and II already had FFV style remakes and III had one killed in development, PR very much rewinds battle sprite appearance towards the original designs compared to those. Even finally brought back the taller proportioned advanced jobs in FF1.

>>714643945
You mean the WonderSwan style remakes? Those absolutely are not FF5 styled. Those were very much their own unique style. But anyway, don't take my word for it:
>Naofumi: When it came to making FF Pixel Remaster, we basically wanted to remaster everything from FINAL FANTASY I to FINAL FANTASY V to bring the quality up to the same standard as FINAL FANTASY V, and leave FINAL FANTASY VI as is.
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_EU/news/final-fantasy-pixel-remaster-famitsu-interview
They even used V's font as the basis for the pixel style font introduced in the console versions. V was their target.

>>714644258
>leave FINAL FANTASY VI as is.
well, they obviously didn't do that... but it's not egregious like prior ports.

What ROM hack is worth playing?

>>714644434
Yes.

>>714644434
BNW is the only one I can advocate. If you want the fucking hardest game of FF you will ever play in your life.

>>714628807 (OP)
>>714629091
>>714629547
Which is best?

SNES, GBA or PR?

>>714645259
Yes!

Thing is however that mixing NES sprite designs with GBA battle backgrounds and how they modified the battle screen placement for 16:9 does result in dumb shit.

>>714644258
Yet most of that work to "bring it up to the same quality standard as FFV" for I and II consisted of assets ported from the WSC versions. If they just wanted to "bring up the standard" they also could have just used the FFVI style Record Keeper party sprites considering that's where a lot of the enemy sprites came from anyways.

>>714645259
SNES followed by PR
avoid GBA entirely, unforgivable sins

>>714645259
Snes has the best shading.
GBA only purpose is the extra content.
PR is best all rounder.

>>714645362
Why doesn't Nintendo add FF1-6's original versions to Switch 2?

>>714645626
i know the biggest obstacle to making a sequel or a remake of FFVI, which has been talked about for nearly 3 decades, what legal shit from Nintendo. I don't know how that got resolved so they could make the PSX versions.