deus ex by far it's not even funny. I've only played mgs2 though

>>714642412 (OP)
Deus Ex is an amalgamation of conspiracy theories and real history. It brings up real facts and uses them as a basis for ongoing evens in the game, but while the writing is good and FUN I don't think it was really much political commentary OR predictions. Unless you count the 9/11 thing but that's just not true.

MGS2 definitely 'predicted' more with it's AI bullshit and the commentary had a much bigger impact, but that's because MGS2 was written to be like that. Deus Ex was made as a conspiracy theory cop shooter and deviated from it's roots when it was in early development/drafting.

Deus Ex has a more fun and better story while MGS2 does the gay commentary and predictions part better. Both are good games.

>>714642886
I like how the conspiracies by the standards of the 2000s were a mix of left and right, but now most if not all are seen as right wing.

One is a stealth action videogame where they fit a sociopolitical message in it.
The other is fullbown conspiracy theory galore. It's like throwing one thing and it sticks on the wall while the other person throws 100.

>>714642412 (OP)
Deus Ex is the greatest game ever made.

MGS solid 2 was hampered by last second changes because of the WTC.

>>714642886
Honestly, fuck that kid.

>>714642412 (OP)
I like both but it's like comparing X Files to Hunt for Red October/Mission Impossible

Their political commentary wasn't meant to be serious, they just threw in a bunch of already popular at the time ideas and blended them together

>>714644136
left wing conspiracy theories just aren't that shocking, like tell someone we live in an oligarchy and they probably wont even argue against it

>>714642412 (OP)
MGS2 is pants on head retarded.

>>714642412 (OP)
Deus Ex

>>714642412 (OP)
I think MGS2 did it better. Deus Ex was never really "out there", it's a pretty bog standard story about power and corruption and power corrupted institutions with some conspiracies.

MGS 3 was the only good one.

>>714642412 (OP)
I don't like politics in my games

>>714642412 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMpuUUV2HeE
MGRR had some pretty funny political commentary, even if it really was unintentional.

>deus ex has universal contructors that can make an infinite amount of literally anything including clones which are being fought over by the illuminati
>according to this thread this is happening right now
gonna need some evidence

>>714642412 (OP)
Metal Gear. Deus Ex is just outdated 90s conspiracy bullshit. The type of shit Fox Moulder rambles about in between getting beaten up by aliens and mutants and men in black

>>714642513
3 is the only one where kojimbo remembered that he was making a game and not a movie, and actually had decent gameplay.

>>714642412 (OP)
I liked MGS2 only because of the headfuckery. Both 10/10 though

>>714650864
Biological construction aside, such a thing wouldn't actually be impossible to make, though it it be really shitty and impractical. Automation is at the point that you very much could create an ecosystem of machines that could theoretically make anything as long as you could feed in raw materials and proper instructions. But it would very prone to malfunction and would also be objectively worse than just having a dedicated assembly process for specific things.
As for biological construction, we have had the capabilty to clone humans for quite a while - it's just that no one has ever done so do to the ethical problems involved in cloning. At least not publically; I would be surprised if someone hasn't already tried it and just didn't disclose it to the public.

>>714652082
Fucking about in menus isn't gameplay. THIS is gameplay.

>>714650864
Our current AIs are universal constructors of the digital space.

3D printers are still fairly primitive but getting exponentially better every year.

Soon, the two technologies will merge and you'll have your evidence.

>>714642412 (OP)
Deus Ex

>>714652082

It predicted twin towers and covid and china being behind it kolumbo just made a gay amazon simulator in greenland that suposedly was in usa and the average cyberpunk ai shit

>>714645579
Left wing conspiracies are just considered facts these days. Take Watergate for example, a dry nothingburger with no happensauce but it's treated like some big deal because leftoids freaked out about it

>>714647726
ah yes solidus wasnt wrong nor corrupted KEK

>>714642412 (OP)
MGS2 has real commentary and some accurate predictions on sociopolitical happenings while giving you an isolated small scale incident for fun.
Deus Ex just mentions a bunch of conspiracies without really alluding to anything while it plays out a really shitty global espionage thriller.

>>714653168
Current AIs are just morpheus AI ancestors

>>714653168
now we need some plasma tube and elon musk dying in agony inside that

>>714653168
>>714652632
>admits it doesn't exist
>doesn't even attempt to argue the Illuminati infighting point
hmm, so it's false?

>>714650864
clones wont be useful until we can ctrl+v people into them, aka after 10-20 years of someone actually getting neuralink to work and not just fry monkey neurons
at that point you will just have civil service workers completely replaced with autistic clones that don't care about anything but their job

>>714654210
you will soon have your god, and you will make it with your own hands

LOL!

There is something really funny about Kojima/MGS fans saying Deus Ex is ridiculous and has a bad story. It's like the slow individual calling people retards.

>>714642412 (OP)
The meat of MGS2 is a critique on the superfluous nature of sequels. The "political" element is mostly surface level and there to give a little structure to the plot, but is not the actual point of the game.

>>714642886
>MGS2 definitely 'predicted' more with it's AI bullshit and the commentary had a much bigger impact
I can't believe MGS2 predicted The Matrix, a 2 years older movie. Kojimbo is truly a visionary!!!

>>714657018
not only that its biology by a japanese that didnt understand shit of genetics

Reminder that any actual truth or message in deus ex is accidental and the writer's pulled a media literacy and said conspiracies are all silly, that the game wasn't really saying anything and you should vote for clinton.

>>714657098
The matrix is a stupid fucking action movie where they clearly just made shit up by the seat of their pants and then gooned themselves in a sex dungeon into transitioning. Literally sissy hypno'd themselves before it was mainstream. It had nothing to say and the human battery thing was retarded.

>>714642412 (OP)
MGS2!

>>714652715
Game is 80% cutscenes but ill play it just for the cuties and photoshoot mode

>>714645025
Oh really?
>>714655493

>>714658913
Hideous Kojimbo literally redirected Twin Snakes cutscenes because The Matrix had those slow motion anime action scenes you dumbfuck. Hideo Kojima worshippijg whatever flavour of the month Hollywood comes up with has always been true and ripping off the concept of simulations and AI engineering reality was absolutely taken from The Matrix

>>714642412 (OP)
Deus Ex predicted the state the world would be in
MGS2 predicted the mental state of people in that world

>>714659152
>redirected Twin Snakes cutscenes
Actually, he didn't direct them, those were directed by the king of kino, the director of versus. Kojima just encouraged him to have fun with it and do his thing, that was all his input on them.
People really love blaming kojima for some of the few things we actually know he didn't do.

>>714642886
War on terror was alien in 1999, bombing statue of liberty was an inside job just like WTC, they overshot with Gray dearh being part nanites as opposed to covid, but nonetheless parallels are too evident to ignore. They even talked about zoning and fines for leaving your zone akin to 15 minute cities we have now.

>>714642886
Deus Ex's political stuff is fun because every playthrough you notice something you'd forgotten. Especially in France. I'm pretty sure that one bar has the bartender talking about think-tanks and propaganda funding, the lady talking about the engulfing of Europe by globohomo stomping out separate cultures in pursuit of a monoculture that generates the most profit, AND the drunk guy casually saying Uncle Ted was right about some things.

>>714658843
That’s the funniest part-Ion Storm accidentally created the most prophetic game ever made and then immediately tried to disown it like embarrassed parents. “No no we were just kidding! Don’t look too deep!” Meanwhile half the playerbase was having their third eye opened in the DuClare mansion. The writers thought they were being clever with their postmodern wink-wink nonsense and instead they summoned a digital grimoire.

>>714652632
There is a 0% chance that no one has ever even tried cloning a human, nevermind doing some tweaking in the process. Hell, how many decades ago was the human genome mapping shit completed?

>>714659396
You are worthless retarded Kojimbo drone

>"Mr. Kitamura really respected and honored the original work, so like the helicopter, the chopper flying up, the scene there is pretty loyal to the original scene. But then we said, "This isn't it. If we're going to have Mr. Kitamura do it, we want him to do it his way." So what you're not seeing now, but what you'll see later on in the game is totally different. You'll be shocked."
>– Hideo Kojima, interview with GameSpot, May 30, 2003

>Kojima just encouraged him to have fun with it
Nigger, Kojima wanted the over the top cutscenes and specifically asked him to direct them. Him then bouncing and pretending Kitamura did his own weird silly thing and claiming the remake is non-canon simply speaks volumes of how he is a piece of shit ready to throw others under the bus and take zero responsibility for it. Hideous Kojimbo pretends to be an auteur doing his own weird avant-garde thing while he constantly mimics every recent trend from first person shooters and middle east zogbot simulators to open world slop and Death Stranding 2 is just Evangelion Rebuild with more action and more casualization so you can play it as an even shittier TPP.

Why are you defending this subhuman worthless hack exactly? Do you fuck him or what?

>>714650864
Give it some time, Deus Ex is happening in 2052 and that technology is brand new. I'm sure it's being worked on RIGHT NOW.

>>714663000
it really is rawr xd: teh gaem

>>714642412 (OP)
Deus Ex was right about private corporations being powerful enough to largely influence the government (more relevant than even back then) and globalists turning western countries into a soup with no borders nor culture.
MGS2 was right about the flow of information exceeding human control and the widespread adaptation of AI.

>>714642412 (OP)
Desu Sex and it's not even close.