play the fucking piano, Verso

ALICIA YOU ARE SHITING YOUR PANTS

Nobody actually thinks her ending's good, right?

>>714661071
don't ever try to tell me what to do, Papa

>>714661247
No, but it's more realistic and thematically interesting. Fuck that naive Disney bullshit the game tries to sell in Verso's ending.

>>714661247
Only contrarians and peter pan boys who refuse to grow up

>>714661247
Verso's ending is the correct one but the whole walktrough is gaslighting you into siding with Maelle.

>>714661427
>Gaslights
No, it allows you to consider both sides of the argument. It's basically a filter for critical thought. If you pick Maelle, you allow yourself to be emotionally manipulated by a teenager.

>>714661247
>>714661341
Verso's ending isn't good either. Clea walking off shows there's still tension between her and the rest of the family. It just shows that they MIGHT be able to heal and move on from Verso's death.

So, why did Aline paint her "fake" daughter as she was after the fire incident?

If the point of escaping into the canvas was to get away from her grief and pretend nothing happened with her "fake" family, it doesn't make sense she would paint canvas Alicia as a constant reminder of her daughters biggest fuck up.

>>714662273
It also shows Renoir and Aline getting together again pretty clearly.

>>714662479
>The antagonist succeeded in his goal
Wow, what a good ending!

>>714662456
Aline wasn't right in her mind, she wanted to acknowledge the fire, but not the event of Verso's death.
Thus, painted Alicia. She herself agrees she loves her daughter btw, but grief hit her super hard.

>>714662456
Aline had it out for Alicia after the fire. That's why, when she painted Renoir, Verso and Alicia in the Canvas, she let Verso be as she remembered him, unblemished. She could pretend that the fire only affected Alicia, as a way to also punish her in some way, since Aline blamed her to some degree for Verso's death.

>>714662456
Because Aline REALLY hates Alicia. She literally blames her for everything that happened and even during her boss fight she essentially goes "yeah, it should've been you who died, you useless cunt". So she painted Alicia as this disfigured, mute caricature out of spite.
That's why I think Verso's ending is bullshit. Throwing Alicia back into this pathological family can only end in a disaster.

>>714662456
My thought was basically to have a continuation of her life only with Verso alive.

>>714661247
It's good because
>V*rso suffers
>R*noir suffers
>It's more likely that Writers will kill that fucking family, which it fully deserves
Whatever happens to Alicia is irrelevant, she's completely fucked in any outcome.

>>714661341
>Disney bullshit
>slowly walks you through the death of every single character you could have cared about AND they stay that way, pulling no punches
>the flip side is that the family can start to move on
Your definition of Disney end is really weird, but Alicia's is such a godawful one it looks like one in contrast I guess

>>714662541
I notice you didn't write "villain", since Renoir is just a loving father who wants what's best for Maelle. Why is him finally getting some small semblance of happiness back in his life a bad thing?

>>714661247
It's the more kino ending.

>>714662594
>blatantly ignoring shit the game tells you
>oh my poor baby Alicia
>when she's even worse than Aline
PAlicia has it easy compared to what Alicia is doing to verso and his soul, and she says she loves him too.

>>714662654
>>the flip side is that the family can start to move on
That's the Disney bullshit part. This family's so toxic and dysfunctional I simply don't see them getting back together. Aline still blames Alicia, Clea is still a sociopath, Alicia is still crippled and traumatized and Renoir hasn't solved shit in his crusade to fix the painting. The game just assumed they worked it all out offscreen. Cool.
Families broke for less severe reasons.

>>714662719
>Alicia gives Verso a life of a rockstar, he's surrounded by friends and loved ones who care about him and is married to a sexy Asian nerd.
Holy shit, his live in the canvas is pure torture.

>>714662654
>the flip side is that the family can start to move on
That family is responsible for creating immense amount of pointless suffering for no reason other than their own entertainment or personal bullshit.
Those people are completely unworthy of demiurge powers that they possess, and the only good ending is them being physically eliminated. Maelle ending just makes it more likely.

>>714662794
And now, what the game actually tells you, in game
>Aline loves Alicia, she just needs time because Alicia fucked up bigly
>Clea actually cares about Alicia and the rest of her family (read her fucking tower dialogues)
>Renoir actually cares about his family)
>Alicia also needs to make an effort to reconnect with everyone else

>>714662872
>front row seat to his sister's suicide
>while she brainwashes him into doing her will
Yep, amazing ending.
Not even Aline was this bad

>>714663035
The game tells us that, but nothing in the narrative shows us that they actually care for one another one bit. If anything, the Dessendres are shown as absolutely awful people, and were implied to be that way even before the fire.

>>714662456
Your first mistake is giving Aline the benefit of the doubt. Aline is a narcissist and you can tell just how full of herself she is by seeing the subtle psychotic smile she has when she returns to the canvas in the final battle or how she speaks to her husband.
>why did Aline paint her "fake" daughter as she was after the fire incident?
Nothing is more unhinged and cruel than a narcissist's revenge. Aline loved Verso more than Alicia because Verso was her golden child. Aline hates Alicia because she wasted her golden child's life with her survival. As punishment she has to suffer. She gets undeserved catharsis each time she looks at pAlice.

>>714663157
No? Aline, by all accounts and what's shown, was a loving mother who, despite being a paintress, was ok with her kids doing whatever they wanted.
Same as Clea, who, despite being more goals driven, spent a ton of time with Verso in the canvas when they were kids.

>>714663119
Verso deserves all of it for being a deceiver and a manipulator though.
One of many downsides of destroy the canvas ending is that this piece of shit gets to have his way instead of paying for his crimes.

>>714663287
>instead of paying for his crimes.
He's completely erased from existence and remembered as a moody carbon copy of the real deal. That's a pretty heavy price to pay.

>>714661247
the game itself isn't good either

>>714663287
>>714663406
And before that he got wiped with each expedition before 33, of which included numerous times being devoured by Serpenphare. Not enough punishment for you?

>>714663406
There is nothing bad about non-existence, just like there's nothing good. It's just nothing.
He deserves something way worse.

>>714663472
You're psychotic.

>>714663469
>before
How is this relevant to him choosing to not disclose crucial information in the letter?

Aren't you getting tired about arguing about the same thing over and over again?

>>714661247
the whole game you're led to believe maelle's ending is the good ending.
Since the end of the game is rushed some may only realize it's the bad ending when the final scene shows up with maelle controlling the whole world.

>>714663846
>with maelle controlling the whole world.
That's only your interpretation. Even the devs admit she's not controlling anything.

>>714663892
devs don't know anything

>>714664269
More common than you may think.

>>714661341
>any ending other than suicide is Disney bullshit
Even putting aside the fate of the painted characters (who all desire or accept it except Lune) the Verso ending is happy only in the sense that it prevents two members of the real family from an heroing but it isn't exactly saccharine fueled.

>>714665667
>it prevents two members of the real family from an heroing
And that's only if we assume that Alicia's real world life from this moment on won't be the living nightmare, with how damaged she is.

>>714665667
I really really never got to see any of the painted characters really react to the fact that they are npc's
At best i remember lune being like "oh wow we are made out of chroma i guess that makes sense haha"

I hate women and /v/ equally

>>714663816
Just where do you think we are?

>>714665667
there is no "real" family in the game. the "real" family in the end are just inside the writer's world.
wait for part 2 it goes much deeper than you expect

>>714666894
That would be the biggest piece of dogshit they could do. Just leave it alone, holy shit, not everything needs to be a franchise.

>>714661021 (OP)
>play the fucking piano
I'm a harpist so no.
>, Verso
Speak English You tomato slurping freak.

>>714663846
>the whole game you're led to believe maelle's ending is the good ending.
The game isn't really subtle about Verso being correct. You're blasted with this when confronting the painting.
See for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjM8zHCGc5U&list=PLI0_h8FqQIs3pcDzzO8AOdVLN-FqCA4sO&index=140
This isn't the only part of the OST that does it. I guess it's clearer if you understand French.

>>714661247

>>714663267
NO! THE GAME MUST SHOW ME EXPLICITLY EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER ACTING OUT EXACTLY WHAT THEY FEEL WHILE MONOLOGUING A FULL EXPLANATION OF WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH AND WHAT THEIR INTERNAL CONFLICTS ARE, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW REAL HUMAN BEINGS BEHAVE!

>>714663816
notice how literally no one talks about Metaphor Refantazio's dogshit story. Horizontal slit eyes need to take a hard lesson here. Remove 90% of your convoluted exposition cutscenes and your players will fill in the blanks themselves with far better lore. And they'll want to talk about it for much longer.

>>714667331
Metaphor is fine, it's us that have outgrown those types of games. Although to be fair I'm not sure the studio knew exactly what they wanted. It kind of feels like they were trying to make the game for people who grew up with the persona games (or P5) but Metaphor is still just basically the same juvenile / YA story and storytelling, so it doesn't really work anymore for people outside that age group. But if you are in that age group I imagine it's about as engaging as the Persona games were for me.