this is literally just Dark Souls 4...

OP with the hot take

More like literally just Demons Souls 6.

>>714675259 (OP)
Demon's souls is King Field 5
Dark souls is Demon's Souls 2
Dark souls 3 is Bloodborne 2
I don't know where Sekiro fits in this.

>>714675529
It's ninja blade 2

>>714675529
>Dark souls is Demon's Souls 2
Dark Souls II is Demon's Souls world 6

>>714675259 (OP)
Elden ring is the first fromsoft game I've ever played, and so I decided to keep the trend going by playing dark souls three (just beat)
Dark souls 2 which kinda sux so far, and I'll finish off with DS 1
So I guess they are just elden ring 1-4 to me.

>>714677190
I think that might actually be the optimal way to play the series. The many advantages of not giving a fuck about a games story continuity.

shazam lost

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>>714677597
proof?

>>714675259 (OP)
I fucking WISH it was just Dark Souls IIII....
>No horse
>No open world
>Just legacy dungeons stitched together with no downtime

Would've been 50 times better.

>>714678328
You're getting a boat in the next game and you're going to enjoy it.

>>714678786
I would love rollslop boat mechanics.

>>714679039
Good, you'll get an entire ocean as a swamp level as well.

>>714679734
Is it infested with hidden enemys that also apply the oceans dot?

>>714679887
It has flying enemies that apply the dot

>>714675259 (OP)
no
Elden Ring is Dark Souls 2 2
Shadow of the Erdtree is Dark Souls 3 2

>>714680447
Is that just because Dark Souls 3 is edgy?

Except that its superior to Dark Souls in every single conceivable way

HOLY SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT

>>714682780
It's pretty blackpilling that there's a whole generation of people who actually believe this

>>714680447
>elden ring: maximum rollslop factor
>ds2: need to actually dodge attacks
how exactly is it 2 2?

>>714675529
Dark Souls 2 is the real KF5. It has elements lifted straight from the KF series.

>>714675259 (OP)
It's Dark Souls 3 with a bad open world mod.

>Extremely linear
>No build variety
>Barely any parryable bosses
>No guard counter
>No attacks you can jump over
>No deflecting hardtear
>No malenia rally mechanic
>Magic is trash until the game is nearly over
>All you do for soul of cinder, nameless king and gael is r1 and roll because the other buttons aren't worth using
Elden ring really shows how garbage DS3 was.

>>714677190
DaS2 doesn't really get much better, despite the narrative the contrarians try to push. The DLC is a bit better than the base game, but then you also have shit like Frigid Outskirts in the DLC which is genuinely the worst designed area in any Fromsoft game.
DaS1 is a masterpiece and still holds up to this day.
Might as well emulate DeS as well to cap things off, it aged weirdly but it's worth experiencing anyway.

>>714683893
>two guards placed in front of a chest with good loot, in an enclosed area so they can ambush the tarnished
>just swoop in with torrent to take the items, then leave before the two guards do anything
It do feel like that sometimes

>>714678786
Unironically would probably be better than Torrent.
I hope at the very least, if they choose to maintain the open world slop angle, that they port over the movement from Nightreign and add other misc fixes (make it clear what is and isn't a lethal fall since the difference feels so arbitrary in ER, rely less on MMO mountains to partition open world "level segments", add better universal rewards for exploring, be less stingy with "mandatory" upgrade mats like gold seeds and tears, either make crafting/resource gathering less obnoxious or just let me buy shit why the fuck can't I buy fucking string).

>>714684087
>No build variety
Unironically is the game that does the best job of making Sorcery, Pyromancy and Miracles feel like distinct playstyles rather than three flavors of "throw X-colored projectile at the enemy", it's a shame Elden Ring regressed in that regard.

>>714684739
ZERO people said this while DS3 was out.
ZERO people said DS3 linearity was good while it was out.

>>714684739
Sorceries and Incantations have never been better, since Pyromancy has been merged into them. Dragon/Arcane shit is borderline useless and is only there to serve as the poison/bleed build containment zone. It seriously feels like they forgot it was in the game.

DS3 was irredeemable trash existing only to recycle previous ideas into the most slop version of themselves.

>>714675259 (OP)
Yeah. Pretty cool, right?

>>714684739
The only powerful pyromancy in DS3 is the Chaos Bed Vestiges and you get it mid to late game, and it deals fire damage to which more than half of the bosses are highly resistant. Pyromancy is good only in PvP to counter parry fishing and pressure. Sorcery is garbage both for PvP and PvE. Miracles are godlike in PvE and can trivialize a bunch of bosses (ocerios, King of the Storm, SoC 2nd phase).

So you are correct, but only in the sense of niche PvP VS irredeemable trash VS PvE cheese being the difference between pyro, sorc, and miracles.

>>714684546
It's starting to sound a lot like Windwaker, but I'd like to see it. There's definitely going to be a lot of water dungeons.

>>714685503
DS3 also gimped pyromancies by making them require INT/FTH for the first time. It just became another school of magic instead of being something every build could access.

>>714684959
>Sorceries and Incantations have never been better
They've never been stronger, absolutely, but what ER has morphed them into is incredibly unhealthy for the game's pvp and pve. They've become vehicles for gimmicky quick kill builds and annoying buff stacking, and casters haven't been this unfun to fight since DaS's dark orb smurf epidemic.
In regards to the two, I don't think I've ever been as bored with sorcery as I am with it in ER, sorcery just has too much int privilege and the non-int builds are either shit, too shallow, or both. Incantations are in a much healthier spot generally (Pyromancy specifically, even if it lost its identity thanks to ER's hatred of quality casting, has an amazingly fun kit that perfectly encapsulates what makes throwing a fireball so fun), I would still gladly swap out the lame and cheesy lightning incantations we have now for DaS3's fantastic miracle poise casting playstyle and spell selection. Genuinely the only issue DaS3 miracles have is that they're a bit higher FP cost than they really should be for the risk involved.

>>714685503
Pyromancy progression is very good in DaS3, you never feel like your spells are underpowered for the point in the game you're at.
Also Pyro has other good end game spells (cough cough black flame) and demon scar is easily the best casting weapon in the series.

>>714686671
I think it might have been a good idea if they gave all the gimmicks and debuffs diverse stat requirements. Something like 15 INT/FTH/ARC to cast poison mist, instead of just 12 fucking FTH.

I miss DaS3 dark sorceries. It's obvious that the rancor spells are meant to be their successors, but between the PoD staff being ass and the spells themselves being awkward fp inefficient gimmick spells it's just tragic. Also skulls that hit like wet noodles just don't compare to the satisfying and weighty splat of a huge fucking humanity ball barreling at your foe.

>>714683384
Because its true, you just hate video games

>>714686671
>They've become vehicles for gimmicky quick kill builds and annoying buff stacking, and
Player freedom is a good thing. Being able to stack so many defensive buffs you can tank everything and stacking so many offensive buffs you can one shot anything is freedom players deserve.
>casters haven't been this unfun to fight since DaS's dark orb smurf epidemic.
PVP is irrelevant for PVE discussion.
>non-int builds are either shit, too shallow, or both.
No

Fromsoft should have stopped with DeS.

>>714688664
>Player freedom is a good thing.
Why?

>>714688723
SotFS is to Dark Souls, what Dark Arisen is to Dragon's Dogma. Dark Souls got 2 DLCs and no one even noticed.

>>714688843
Because it makes creating builds fun instead of feeling like you should've just used a straight sword and spam r1 instead. Because it enhances replayability. Because ER can be enjoyed in so many different ways. You can rely purely on hitbox porn and no i-frames by ducking over and under attacks using your moveset. It is a parry enjoyer's paradise with so many enemies parryable compared to previous games. It makes shields engaging with guard counter. You can choose to deflect everything with sekiro hard tear. Meanwhile DS3 is the most boring shit imaginable.

Dark Souls had more unique bosses so no

>>714689470
It's also the only one to have Bed of Chaos

>>714689343
>Because it makes creating builds fun
What makes build crafting fun is building around limitations. If you have no limitations then there's no point in even building anything. And to be completely honest, ER feels far more constraining to me than DaS3 ever did, not because of restrictions in how you can make builds but in how the game seemingly punishes suboptimal builds in a way other souls games just didn't do. The floor and ceiling in ER are so vastly separated that it makes weird gimmick builds just feel so much worse than they did ever in DaS3, even if strictly speaking you have more options to invalidate the game.
>Meanwhile DS3 is the most boring shit imaginable.
You strike me as someone who tried DaS3 once and then dropped it in frustration. I guess ER attracted you because you can just cheese everything.

>>714688232
Wait, what? Where did that come from? You ok bro?

>>714690739
>game seemingly punishes suboptimal builds in a way other souls games just didn't do.
No this is a DS3 speciality. ER is packed with viable tools. Even boss weapons are top tier this time round rather than trash you leave in the bottomless box to gather dust.
>You strike me as someone who tried DaS3 once and then dropped it in frustration
Wrong.

>>714691034
>He spent 700 hours on a game he despises
That's not really much better sis.

>>714691298
>You have X hours in it so it must be good
Fuck off retard.

>>714691437
No, I'm just wondering how sad you'd have to be to spend nearly 800 hours on a game you hate.

>>714691721
Cool thanks for conceding after running out of arguments.

>>714691905
He is absolutely right. You're either arguing in bad faith or you are completely out of your mind having spent over 700hrs on a game you don't like.

>>714691905
You haven't said anything worth discussing, just vague complaints with very little elaboration along with a screenshot of steam hours.

>>714692064
No you will not use the dumbest steam review "b-but you have hundreds of hours you can't dislike it" bullshit.

>>714692319
NTA, but what hooked you to spend hundreds of hours playing a game you don't even like?

>>714692319
You're either a troll or have some sort of severe mental illness.

>>714692432
>You strike me as someone who tried DaS3 once
>No wait you actually played it? It means you like it!
Maybe you are the troll or have some sort of severe mental illness.

>>714689297
>and no one even noticed.
People were bitching because they initially said that DS2 will be a full experience and that there won't be any DLC.

>>714692768
700hrs is not "I played it". 50-100 hrs is "I played it". If you spent anything over that on a game you didn't actively enjoy you need some help

>>714680237
They're also barefoot

>>714686305
That was DS2 tho

>>714695837
I forgot they had no requirements, but introduced INT/FTH scaling in DS2. It's still easier to access in DS2 for a range option that doesn't use arrows, even if it means the damage will be shit.

>>714696426
DaS2 actually did something unique with Pyromancy vs Hexes in that they both technically scale to Int and Faith but in different ways (Fire Damage scales to Int + Faith, Dark Damage scales to the lowest between Int and Faith), which meant that Pyromancy could technically be used as an supplement to any casting style.
If we're on the topic of Pyromancy in DaS2 specifically though it's also probably the worst game for the casting style. Spell availability is weirdly bad, castings are low but if you want more than one of your actual decent bread and butter Pyro spells (Fire Orb and Great Fireball), you're forced to grind out Flame Salamanders for an abysmal drop rate (on top of that, your best nuke is a one off that's locked behind an annoying quest). That's on top of free aiming (the thing that makes Pyromancy worth using) being actual shit in DaS2 thanks to questionable dead zones. I've beaten every Souls game with a Pyro build and DaS2 is by far the most painful to do so.

>>714692402
Not this guy >>714691034 but I have similar hours in DS3 even though I hate it as a game. The artstyle is captivating and being a sunbro is fun, simple as. Most of the time when people with thousand-ish hours shit on a game it's because they lament the wasted potential, they play the game for one or two of its aspects but hate everything else about it.

Elden mid...worst game Fromsoft has ever made...

>>714675259 (OP)
If it was just Dark Souls 4 it would be better.

http://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/Elden%20mid...worst%20game%20Fromsoft%20has%20ever%20made.../page/1/
Why is elden ring hate so inorganic?

>>714675259 (OP)
Where's the Tarnished Edition update?

>>714695837
>>714697919
DS2 pyromancies don't need int/fth scaling to deal damage, except for the fireball family of spells. Don't ask me why it's like that because I don't know.

>>714701192
>Most of the time when people with thousand-ish hours shit on a game it's because they lament the wasted potential, they play the game for one or two of its aspects but hate everything else about it.
2500 hours in Elden Ring, can confirm that it's this.

>>714701563
?
The Combustion spells deal flat damage on top of their scaling damage, but they still have really good scaling so you're better off using them on caster builds. I don't think there's a pyro spell with zero scaling.

>>714675259 (OP)
You know for a game that has excellent aesthetics, everything feels so empty. Sure there is lore and history, but no proper stories. You barely form a relationship with anybody, and the most intimate one, a marraige, that you can have with Ranni, just feels like a political charade.

All the intriguing stuff, the conflict between the demigods, the exiling, etc, has already occurred, and you the character, are a scavenger, there to pick at the rotten bones. You are going to decide the fate of the lands between. But what exactly is your connection with it? What do you even love about it to save it? The game never has you connect with the environment. Implication can go so far by itself. Every character seems to be keeping themselves at arm’s length. Their psuedo-archaic speech and slow speech adding further to their emotionlessness. They are like how Silent Hill characters behave. A dreamlike sense of emotional distance is kept by them at all times even when they have passionate moments.

Fromsoftware’s cryptic “””storytelling””” is stagnant and amateurish. Investigating anything in the game goes so far. You always have to fill in the gaps yourself, never being sure if what you think is even correct. Playing detective is only so fulfulling unless you get the right answer. And getting the right answer changes nothing in the game either. The course is always set for you. A handful of endings which are all atrociously unfulfilling and gives no proper closure.