What are your honest feelings about the FF7 Remake project?

Rebirth perfected the jrpg formula

>>714705627 (OP)
remake wasnt great. rebirth is top 5 goat game for me unironically

I really dont like either game that much but I might as well play the third one. Its not like they are totally irredeemable piles of shit, but they are unironically way too long for what they cover, I dont enjoy the gameplay half as much as other people, and it is literally going to take like 10% of my life span, and that is being generous, more like 15-20% of my lifespan for it to even be FULLY realized on top of that, all for a story that was told before with a lot less fluff.

They could have made an original project with the same kind of budget and fidelity and it would have been a lot more compelling.

>>714705627 (OP)
Everything from the OG is fantastic, outside of certain pussified aspects such as goo blood.
The stuff from Advent, Crisis Core and Dirge of Cerberus was never good.

Now when it comes to original Remake content the decisions they made are mind boggling.
Take Roche a squad of Soldiers dispatched to pursue Cloud&CO could have been really cool and more characters poking holes at his Soldier larp.
Instead he's this over the top cuhrazyyyyy retard.
Fucking really???

Square enix should've been upfront about them being sequels, then they would've been received better

>>714705627 (OP)
sovless and completely redundant

>>714705627 (OP)
glorified fanfiction trash only shiteaters enjoy.

The parts that are good are really good. The parts that aren't, are baffling or strange.

Combat: 10/10 amazing modernization of ATB
Music: 10/10
Everything else: They butchered the pacing, they butchered the build up and the mystery around Sephiroth, they turned it into kingdome hearts tier of shitty story telling with unnecessary convolution
Overall: Rebirth would have been the best game ever made if the team had a tard rangler like sakaguchi

>>714706276
One of the aspects that is not criticized enough is how disjointed the art direction in Remake is.
It's way too obvious to tell what designs are from the original, crisis core etc.
They stick out like a sore thumb. But this isn't inherently the fault of Remake but something that's been piled up along time.

>>714705627 (OP)
Absolute garbage from a company that lost the plot a long time ago.

>>714706061
>They could have made an original project with the same kind of budget and fidelity and it would have been a lot more compelling.
they did and it sold like shit compared to FF7 REmake

+Characters get to interact more. In OG Barret may talk to Cloud. Yuffie may talk to Cloud. But Barret may never speak to Yuffie. Now everyone can bounce off each other
+The overworld is genuinely gorgeous
+The voices are mostly good. I'm not a fan of "Nanaki's" voice but I know why it exists.
+The characters look nice
+Some extra scenarios are genuinely well done. Tifa's breakdown after Sector 7. Aerith admitting her jealousy. Barret and the mine cart.
+The Tiny Bronco actually works. With no asterisks

- Everything involving the Time Jannies. Just all of it
- Everything involving the Dream Worlds. Just all of it
- Some OG scenes not translated well. I hate how badly Palmer fucked up Barret and Dyne's showdown.
- The Gi. I get that SE wants to plug up some plot holes. But it would be nice if the answers didn't create even more questions
-I like the idea of Cloud slipping further into denial instead of getting angry at Aerith's death. But Aerith's death was NOT the place to put autistic lore and confusing multireality bullshit. That was supposed to be a very raw moment and Rebirth ruined it

>>714706836
Well yeah because it doesnt have the brand name behind it and people dont have confidence in random games by Square Enix any more after they pissed away their good will. Hell their stock is only soaring thanks to colored cardboard

>>714706935
>the Dream Worlds
the what? i dropped this shit when the flying condoms showed up.

>>714706961
>Well yeah because it doesnt have the brand name behind it
which is why you'll get fewer original products with big budget's behind them.
people talke about wanting them but when push comes to shove and they charge $70 for it everyone says no lmao and don't buy it.
then they develop amnesia and start asking why they aren't making original projects again.

>>714705627 (OP)
FF7's story was never perfect, but every good aspect of it was corrupted by piss poor writers incapable of original though, then tons of garbage was piled on top.

>>714705627 (OP)
Overrall better than the og

>>714705627 (OP)
Typical washed up Jap boomer shit like Rebuild of Evangelion.

>>714706836
What, FF13 trilogy? It was nowhere near as fleshed out as the remake games.

>>714706758
To be fair to Square-Enix what exactly could they have done differently? They gave the keys to the game to Nomura and Kitase the two guys behind the original game.
Minus what I personally like to believe Sakaguchi tard wrangling them

>>714707445
i was talking about FF16's performance compared to 7 Remake

>>714705627 (OP)
I really like it

>>714705627 (OP)
Didn't really care. Started playing it, absolutely love it. The combat somehow hits the perfect sweet spot of faux-turn based and real time action for me, the game looks great, over the top goofy characters is fun, I like it a whole lot more than I ever expected

>>714707475
Hire a team whose sole job is to bring Nomura down to earth. Tell him his ideas are fucking stupid. Bonuses earned for physical violence.
That retard needs to be brought down about 80 pegs

>>714705627 (OP)
Wasteful.

>>714707131
Oh boy. So remember in OG how Tifa went into Cloud's mind and stitched his memory back together by sifting through his real and imagined experiences. Well SE decided that not only are they going to call more attention to that. They're going to make it as confusing and convoluted as possible.

So the Dreams Worlds are kind of like soap bubble pocket dimensions within the Lifestream. Anytime someone defies the will of the Planet, a new soap bubble is created where these noncanon events can play out before the bubble pops and the world fades away. And the dead get to walk around these dream worlds working out their remaining issues until they finally dissolve into the Lifestream.

Now why is this stupid besides just being confusing? Well Remake fans will insist that this is NOT multiverse. The same way Cloud's brain dimension doesn't actually exist, the Dream Worlds don't either. Except that on TWO different occasions Cloud has been able to pull items from the Dream Worlds to the real world. Also Sephiroth's goal of stealing the Lifestream is paired with wanting to join all the disparate Dream Worlds under his rule. Because if he can dictate the Lifestream then he can remove death as a concept. And when he does it in the Final Battle he accidentally includes the Dream Worlds where Zack and Aerith existed in so they can fight him after their deaths. But no really guys, there is no multiverse, trust me bro.

>>714706069
Continued
The expansion of Gongaga in terms of story was good despite not agreeing with the tone of the town itself. If there was anything you could say about Gongaga in the OG is that it was a stagnant depressing shit hole not this kumbaya shit.

They completely butchered the Corel Prison, in the original it's a den of the absolute worst scum of the earth. If you land there it's basically a death sentence for you. Instead here it's more like the ferengi in Startrek or some shit. Also the Dyne death was completely butchered, oh yeah it was a Shinra mook that killed him. Oh fuck you

>>714708072
Something people don't talk about is how Corel Prison is supposed to be the actual Corel. Shinra built Gold Saucer on top of it. The same way they built Midgar on top of the Slums that used to be the villages

One of the few reasons why I've postponed my suicide

>>714707748
But he was the one that wanted to keep it more faithful.

>>714708360
cringe lmao

>>714705627 (OP)
It's totally pointless and the games are terrible even as their own thing.

>>714708072
Fake Nibelheim being turned into a wellness centre for the robed men doesn't really fly with me either. On top of that I used to think the black robes were place holders for people dressed in street bumb tier clothes. Turns out I was wrong as seen with Roche who had black robes magically spawn from the skies....

>>714705627 (OP)
It's fun.

>>714708412
Absolute bollocks, the retcon dementors have his stink all over them

I don't mind Remake, but Ever Crisis is a disappointment. They should have made the FF7 story 1:1 with the original game. Then we could have our cake and eat it too.

>>714708868
A lot of what people think are his ideas are the result of Nojima. The guy who unironically wrote Tidus blowing his head off from kicking a bomb he thought was a blitzball.

>>714708613
Cosmo Canyon was alright, except the whole conman preacher vibe they were going with.

>>714705627 (OP)
Its a double edged sword being a FF7 fan

I've watched as Square has been milking the FF7 name since its release. You had Cloud, Aerith, Yuffie and Cid show up in Kingdom Hearts 1 & 2. There was the whole Compilation in the mid 2000's and now we got a full fledged, 3-part, full scale remake and sister projects to boot.

The creative teams have changed, the original creators are older, the technology and trends are different. There is much about the Remake that just doesnt work as well as it ought to. Yes, the whole multi-verse angle is garbage, I refuse to believe anyone actually prefers that to just a competent retelling. However, there is some actual passion put into the project and it shows. The characterization is nailed, the voice acting is stellar, the whole finely crafted world is spectacular and the new ARPG combat is some of the best I've ever played. So i take the good with the bad, Ill always have the original, and while some scenes shouldve been done better, I think the Remake project is bring a ton of great things to the table than its bringing bad. I could just use a lot less Zack. I dont give a rat's shit about Zack.

>>714708058
> Anytime someone defies the will of the Planet, a new soap bubble is created where these noncanon events can play out before the bubble pops and the world fades away. A
Thats…not what they are?

>>714709458
Oh right, I hate that they turned Bugenhagen into an asshole just so he could have a character arc

>>714709772
That's literally why Sephiroth says they are in his little speech. Aerith doesn't even refute it, she only says that Sephiroth's goal isn't the way things are supposed to be

>>714709458
I feel like theyre planning to develop Cosmo Canyon. When you visit it is full of tourists and just a bunch of guides. Buganhagen doesnt accept your experiences with the Planet and Weapons as seriously at first and actually scolds you a bit. But as we finish up some side quests and story we learn that Buganhagen feels like he is no longer as receptive to new info and that maybe he's been doing it too long.

I think this is also represented within the canyon itself. Its been around for so long it just became a tourist destination instead of a retreat for pilgrims truly dedicated to learning of the Planet. I do feel like once Meteor is in the sky, much will change at Cosmo Canyon and will lead into Red becoming the true servant of the valley.

>>714706597
Combat is like 6/10. Every time someone pretends it’s great I can only imagine that you don’t play any other action games.

the real question is why square are still charging more than $20 for part 1 in the summer sale.

>>714710134
lol

>>714705627 (OP)
story changes are dogshit
turn based is superior
time jannies are fucking retarded
graphically is great though

>>714706597
>they butchered the build up and the mystery around Sephiroth
remember when Cloud was giving the flash back of Niflheim and you fight the dragon and cloud does like 6 damage and sephiroth takes 0 damage and he hits it for like 6000 1 shotting it while the ominous orchestra plays his theme?
Remember how in the remake he fights frogs and it's normal combat music?
Man they butchered making Sephiroth a mysterious insurmountable bad ass

>>714709459
>characterization is nailed
The remake characterisation is different, which is not compatible with the idea that it nails the original's intent and direction.

>>714710528
Clouds fake memory of Zack drowning during the visit to the MT Nibel Mako reactor was hilarious though.

>>714710528
Look at how they massacred it...

>>714710807
Should have also had huge blood splatter.

>>714705627 (OP)
It's just a retcon of the original FF7 story, just because, like the anon said before, people wants to see their beloved character placed in some context, just to "stay" and "pass some time" with them (that is clearly seen even in Ever Crisis). Fact is that the original "flavour" of FF7 is long gone. Some people are unable to cope with the lose of a dearly friend or lover, are unable to cope with the fact that could happend that a guy end up with a new girlfriend and not with the child-friend, and people are unable to cope with bad endings, where the only importance is focused only on "saving the planet" and not with the afterlife fate of their beloved characters (for there's no hint about what happened to Cloud & Co. after Aerith and the Lifestream saved Midgar), the player just end up seeing RedXIII after 500 years, when every other character is long gone.

>>714705627 (OP)
Hated remake < liked Intermission < loved Rebirth

I want them to go chocobo shit insane with part 3

>>714710528
Remember how in Remake Sephiroth has about as much dialogue in the first few hours as Cloud? Wow yeah he's super mysterious now.
Remember how you break out of Hojo's lab and follow a trail of purple goo up to the president's office instead of blood? Remember how the president is just hanging off the side of the building now for no reason? Wow thanks remake, much better

>>714705627 (OP)
>terrible anime dub (characters constantly have to make weird noises to fill all dead air)
>too many cutscenes disguises as gameplay (holding forward to walk slowly next to another character is not gameplay)
>too much 'squeeze through' time wasting bullshit
>promised the first game would have an open world Midgar but lied, it's just linear hallways like FFX
>totally butchered Oppressed People
only played the first one but it was fun if a bit bloated. skipped the second one because it sounded like it had a bunch of obnoxious padding bullshit that doesn't respect your time. might give it a shot as we get closer to part 3, hopefully all that shit is modded out by then.

>>714710134
Yeah I really have no idea what the hell people are talking about with the combat. It feels like fake praise like they’re looking for something positive to say about the game. The combat is fine it gets the job done, but it’s nothing to write home about.

>>714705627 (OP)
I was a huge fan of FF7 but they honestly waited too long for me to care anymore. Plus they turned Cloud into a femboy and the battle system is MMO style slop which all modern RPGs now suffer from. I'll never play it.
Anytime I feel nostalgic about FF7 or other old Squaresoft games I'll just go looking for other games that are actually made in the same style. Sadly mostly indie games now.

>>714711282
>(characters constantly have to make weird noises to fill all dead air)
someone explain this to me
why do they do this
it ALWAYS sounds like shit
it's ALWAYS cringy.
Please stop

Sorry worst aspect of Rebirth coming through.

I like seeing the monsters and robots in higher fidelity
I hate almost everything else about it

Case in point, Airbuster looks really cool and I like that it's made a much more bombastic fight, but the preceding dungeon where you go through the same copypasted hallways and big arena room 4 times in a row is fucking awful and ruins the whole thing setpiece

>>714711406
Derp

>>714708058
that's somehow sounds more retarded than the whole time jannies garbage, holy fuck this is so fucking bad.

>>714711550
>I'd love to hear more of your complaints after you've found more world data

I think it's a really funny dragging back down to earth for people who follow FF7 because of its long-term cultural contribution and cultural perception and not the actual realities of its game; it's kind of the ultimate reality check for GameFAQs. The writers don't regret Advent Children and beyond, the writers are completely aware the original game was written by the seat of their pants, the character writing is so good and so accurate that even the most staunch haters of the project don't list that among its complaints. And on top of it all they're competent action games that look pretty.
>naurrrrr the time jannies are fukkin retarded!
Somehow tokusatsu giant monster puppets coming out of the ground as planetary white blood cells and STILL not being able to figure out where the fuck Sephiroth/Jenova is is not retarded. Fuck off.
>naurrrrr it didn't decanonize advent children and later!
Why would it, the devs and writers are more ashamed of those Final Fantasy 10 novelizations where Tidus kills himself kicking a Bomb than they are AC and later.
>naurrrrr sephiroth speaks so gayly and doesn't act the way he did in FF7!
It's not the original game is why. And so on.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

>>714706597
yeah the combat is probably the best part of the game, it hits the right balance of classic FF RPG and new/modern action title in a way XV and XVI were just brainless button mashers that were all style and no substance.

>>714706606
agreed but there is a lot of charm of having those classic 90s designs realized in HD glory with very few changes, i think i prefer this method because otherwise they would 'modernize' the old designs or try to make new stuff look old and neither would be very good.

>>714706935
>-I like the idea of Cloud slipping further into denial instead of getting angry at Aerith's death. But Aerith's death was NOT the place to put autistic lore and confusing multireality bullshit. That was supposed to be a very raw moment and Rebirth ruined it
it reminds me of the Silent Hill 2 remake which decided that the final battle against Mary/Maria needed to be a BIG EPIC MULTI PHASE BOSS FIGHT SET PIECE which took away all the atmoshere and catharsis from James finally confronting the spector of his guilt which has been haunting him.

>>714707590
FF16 was just a bad game. FF7R did well because it's a better game with better combat, better characters and it has actual meaningful RPG mechanics. turns out people who like Final Fantasy games buy Final Fantasy games that play and feel like Final Fantasy games, weird!

>>714705627 (OP)
Only played remake so far
They missed a good opportunity to turn the twinkometer from 11 to 8
I passed the whole first bombing mission thinking how much better this shit would had been if cloud had biggs features and wasn't such a big autist. he looks like a helpless twink just like in advent children again, things just happen around him. Tifa teaches him how to work...
Somehow original cloud did explicit gay shit without looking that sissified
Other than that, it's a fine game not much of a remake really but it's respectful to the most important stuff I guess and they found a good way to add side content without fucking up the continuity of the main story too much
The levels are almost linear though, it's like crisis core on steroids which is not a bad thing on itself

>>714710807
>oneshots the first enemy but after the cutscene ends he can't do that anymore
garbage

>714711869
Bait's afoot I see.

>>714712050
Original Cloud had a very androgynous face, anon. Nomura drew him with massive eyes, pronounced eyeslashes and slender facial features.

>>714708205
isn't that super obvious? when you find Barret again there's flashbacks that show stuff happening in that same house you find him in years ago.

>>714709459
>Yes, the whole multi-verse angle is garbage, I refuse to believe anyone actually prefers that to just a competent retelling.
i prefer it over a straight remake because it'll never be as good or match up to the original story in our mind and you also have to have various forms of (((modernization))) for (((modern audiences))) and i'd rather the originals just be left alone unbuchtered by bluehairs and goony bugmen begging for a crumb of pussy.

>>714710134
because it's not supposed to be like other action games, it's an action-RPG. FFXVI was supposed to be like other action games and it bombed because no one who buys games called Final Fantasy buy them for Devil May Cry combat.

>>714711387
because that's what anime dubbers do because most anime is made for children and adults who produce these shows think children need constant noise to hold their attention, so any instance of there not being sound effects/music or action on screen needs some kind of noise to keep their attention. whoever is directing the dub is someone who directs anime dubs and it shows.

>>714705627 (OP)
Could have been great with the game play changes only. The sequel/not-a-sequel multiverse/not-a-multiverse alternate-timelines/not-alternate-timelines shit should have been left out, along with the Sephiroth over exposure. They just needed to expand on minor side characters and stories and flesh out the world, not join the fucking MCU. Instead they took what could have been a slam dunk GOTYAY trilogy into, "Well, you can still enjoy it, but you will constantly be reminded how much better the first game still is despite how dated it is."

The whole thing just feels like it's in a lame middleground where they wanted to change shit but they were too cowardly to do anything extreme so we end up with fucking real time with pause action combat and every scene in the game being pulled from the original but made way more awkward and plodding

>>714712624
i can't think of a single time playing remake where i thought "i'd rather be playing the playstation version" desu

as in i cottoned on within like twenty minutes that no it wasn't a remake it was its own thing and i settled down for that instead

>>714710807
>>714710528
This was weird since the actual dragon enemy they would have used is in the game too.

>>714705627 (OP)
When they expanded the first reactor's boss to a fucking 20 minute long dragged out bullshit, I tapped out.

>>714712675
I agree at this point just go all out. but I have a feeling they will end up backtracking.
All of this is connected with the episodic release format, just like a TV series they want the final episode to be packed with various vague implications just so people will discuss it.

>>714713210
>20 minute long
Maybe if you SUCK DONKEY BALLS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp2NIknL41c

>>714710528
Doing it that way wouldn't have been practical since Cloud would have become dead weight and you'd have to control Sephiroth alone the whole time. Besides, Rebirth amplifies the premise of Cloud self-inserting into Zack, meaning rather than being a depiction of Cloud's ability at the time, it's more a depiction of Zack's. Zack wouldn't get one-shot by a dragon. He was a bona fide 1st Class SOLDIER at that point.

>>714706935
>The Gi. I get that SE wants to plug up some plot holes. But it would be nice if the answers didn't create even more questions
The thing that makes that even more stupid is it wasn't even a plot hole. It is not like how the life stream works was explained in great detail, and ghosts already existed in both the OG and in Remake. It was just an unanswered question for why the Gi did not move on, but that is not an actual plot hole. People are fucking retarded, and now to answer a bunch of stupid autists the Gi are yet more fucking aliens which actually creates more plot holes, because how can rejected aliens who are actively rejected from the life stream affect materia which is just condensed life stream? How can these immortal aliens both be friends with Seto and hate Seto at the same time, because now the entire Seto story is in conflict with itself as apparently he was, and still is good buddies who chats with them before and after the attack that petrified him. It's so fucking stupid.

>>714705627 (OP)
barry won

>>714713362
Counterpoint:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W30te1KxYOk

Even 10 minutes was too long, especially because it wasn't even fucking fun.

>>714713701
I don't care about your ""counterpoint"" donkey ball SUCKER

>>714712050
>but it's respectful to the most important stuff
I never understand people who say this, it just isn't true. The 3 main events of the first disc are:
>Opening bombing mission
Ok so in the original the main characters are eco-terrorists taking down an evil corporation, but they do this in a way that's kind of dodgy. There's collateral damage, and that puts our heroes in a morally grey light. Remake improves on this by heavily showing the consequences of our actions, which is fucking great. However, it immediately shits all over that by making Shinra do a false flag operation on themselves, so that we, the players, know that Shinra is really, really evil. Our heroes would have just disabled the reactor, not hurt all those innocent people with that giant explosion! They're heroes, after all! And no, Jessie mentioning the bomb being bigger than she expected in the original does not hint at Shinra's involvement, don't be stupid.

>Sector 7 plate collapse
So first of all, Remake once again improves on this by letting us explore the sector 7 plate city. That is such a brilliant change, although I don't really like the story that goes on up there. Still, seeing it is a great idea, as is seeing more Shinra employees. But fuck me, the collapse sucks. First we have Aerith slowly walking everywhere trying to find Marlene. There is absolutely no urgency to anything she does, it's weird. Climbing up the support pillar, in the original we meet Biggs, Wedge and Jessie while climbing. Each of them have 2 lines of dialogue, urging the player onward. We do not have time to stop and talk, a ton of people are about to die. Now these characters getting expanded upon is another good idea (although I would say again poorly implemented), but the culmination of that is handled horrifically. First, we have long, drawn out death scenes for all of them, particularly Jessie. Once again, the urgency is gone. In the original, the plate falls, everyone dies, and you can never return.

>>714713949
You can't return because an entire city fell on the slums. An entire fucking city. In the remake, everyone manages to escape, Wedge lives, and you get to just go back and it's like a little bit on fire but eh not that bad.

>Shinra building and Midgar escape
Firstly, Sephiroth has had no screen time at this point in the original. He is genuinely mysterious and scary. You follow a trail of blood up to the president's office, and there at the top is the president impaled with Sephiroth's sword. The restraint here is insane. Anyway, back to Remake. Firstly there is no blood, it's purple goo. Secondly, the section is paced poorly by adding in the padding that is Hojo's Lab inbetween. Sephiroth is not mysterious because he has been constantly gurning at the camera for the last 30 hours or however long it takes. At the top of the Shinra building, the president isn't there. He's hanging off the side of the building for some reason. You pull him up, then him and Barrett go back inside to have a quick little chat while the party kindly waits outside for a bit. Then bam the president and Barrett are stabbed only not really because ghosts.

Anyway, essay over. I hate Remake's story, and I don't like when people say it got the key bits right. It didn't, at all. And that's not to say it's all bad, they did genuinely make good changes, but just undermine it at every opportunity with fan-fic tier writing. It's honestly fucking embarrassing.

>>714711387
because japs are not sentient

>>714705627 (OP)
I like FF7 and have zero interest in this

>>714708360
Same

>>714714019
I would like to add one more thing about your bit on the trail of blood. Look at the walls. You can see claw marks all over in addition to the blood. Everything would lead you to believe that some sort of monster was on the loose. Just to get to the end and learn it was Sephiroth that killed President Shinra. Now the two stories don't mix. Sephiroth's sword swipes don't match what looks like a rampage through the Shinra Tower. It's because it's not Sephiroth. It's Jenova as a monster. It's your first clue about Jenova's ability to shapeshift

>>714705627 (OP)
Won't even pay 1 usd for playing the trilogy. Tried the demo, combat system is serviceable and modern, but fights feel artificially prolonged and aren't fun. Doing constant chip damage is uncool.

>>714714614
The remake could never, ever, ever have that level of subtlety.

>>714706597
I liked Kh1 and loved kh2, I couldn't play kh3 for 5 minutes, not even two minutes. It's atrocious.

>>714714806
i made it to the tangled world and finally gave up, the game just wasn't fun

The PC ports of Remake and Rebirth are both stuttery garbage, and I'm tired of pretending that they aren't. PS5 Pro is the only way to play these games.

>>714715052

>>714715236
It doesn't. You are just in denial about the shittiness of the port.

>>714705627 (OP)
My opinion is that you shouldn't take a single game from 1997 and spend over a decade remaking it, forcing people to spend up to like $1k buying three consoles and the individual games and waiting so long just to experience something they've already experienced with no substantial changes other than a lot of obvious filler content.
Imagine going back in time and telling a younger version of yourself that "In the future they remake FF7 and some kids will graduate from school before the remake is done."

>>714715532
>You are just in denial
heh

>>714709943
>>714709458
The scene when the stone statue of Red 13's dad sheds tears and he howls,
that was totally butchered.

In Rebirth, the Gi ghost interrupts the scene and they had the never to make Sephiroth appear (again), even as a vision.

WTF, how are there people who tolerate this?

In the original that was the scene that made me think: "wow, I want to keep playing now."

>>714714772
That's because Remake has a constant need to throw everything in your face at all times. So that you, the player, knows this is FINAL FANTASY VII TM. It's the difference between a courtesan that has mastered the art of seduction and an LA whore who thinks throwing pussy in your face is sexy

>>714715578
People no longer have standards for quality, they simply want more. There is no objective measure of quality for any fictional media, it's just about getting more and consuming over and over and over.

>>714713383
That's the fucking point. Cloud getting one shot as a level 1 "soldier" is story telling through gameplay mechanic done right. That's your hint that there something off about his recollection where he tells it as if he were 1st class Soldier Zack but in reality he was getting pushed around like a lvl 1 Shinra grunt he actually was. You're supposed to be left confused by it until you piece it together after Tifa tells Aeris that Cloud wasn't there and Mideel lifestream segment. Ofcourse in order to achieve that they'd have to play it straight. It's too late now, the damage is done. Maybe they'll get it right in 20 years.

>>714713383
>Doing it that way wouldn't have been practical since Cloud would have become dead weight and you'd have to control Sephiroth alone the whole time.
Mate

>>714710528
>Man they butchered making Sephiroth a mysterious insurmountable bad ass
Following Sephiroth's wake of destruction was so damn cool

>>714715004
I literally dropped it within a minute. The demo was in a mall. Game is anything but fun. Shame, Kh1 was awesome.

Wish it was 1:1 story because while the padding and filler is annoying, most of it exists because of new story changes.

Also delete Chadley holy fuck.
>locks materia behind him
>locks enemy skill behind him
>locks summons behind him
Who fucking greenlit this shit?

>>714715825
>There is no objective measure of quality for any fictional media
That opinion is a way to avoid making criticisms and judgment.

There's no need for sole objectivity if there is meaning and results.
There are many problems around, are you going to wait until they are recognized as problems to solve them?

Are you going to wait until psychologists give a name
to mental problems that have been happening for hundreds of years,
and so many people have noticed, only then you will recognize it as a problem?

Are you going to wait for a study to say: "this sucks"
to then admit: "oh, it sucks. Now we can say it."

And if there is not objective measure of quality, then why expect it.
If there is none, then it must be measured subjectively, or meaningfully.

>>714705627 (OP)
I enjoyed it, and I dont usually like Final fantasy games except 9.

>>714708072
Shinra mook is better than falling off a cliff a second time. Dude survived the first fall why would I expect him not to survive again. Regardless, its dumb both ways for him to not want to see Marlene cause boo hoo he killed people. Barret has done the same with Avalanche

>>714716649
Its so fucking weird
>oh we got this semi open world
>So how about we reward the player exploring these areas with new materia and summons?
>Nah let's tie it to this one annoying as NPC
Just another case of bizarre decisions in Remake

>>714705627 (OP)
Given how bad all post FF7 games had been I'm honestly shocked the games can be pretty good. Definitely some slop present, UE4 was a mistake.

>>714705627 (OP)
>Part 1
>Sephiroth revealed too early
>Action combat cancer
>Time jannies nonsense
>Chadley... I hope we kill him in p3
>Lack of materia birth mechanic
>The padding
>Blood replaced with goo in Shinra building

>Part 2
>Ubisoft towers
>Even bigger emphasis on action combat cancer
>Still no materia birth
>Padding is even worse
>Reuse of VR arena for 4 side-quests
>Dyne ruined
>Aeris's death ruined
>Probably the most hamfisted hard mode I ever saw in any game.

My feelings are mostly negative and I am seriously considering upgrading my 10 y/o PC just to wait for PC version of part 3 just to pirate it.

>>714717053
I dont see why they made chadley a super AI robot. I dont see why they made chadley at all.

>>714717181
Padding. That's my only guess.

My opinion is that nu-Final Fantasy is only good when you mod in nipples, pussy and slutty outfits on the girls. Over all, the remakes are several steps down from the original.

>FF 7 - Tells a good original story
>Nu-FF 7 - member berries of the best FF 7 parts, nudging you and winking at you along every minute of the way

I don't know why they fucked it up so hard. Only thing original fans wanted, was a 1 to 1 remake with some side extras and better graphics. You can't improve Perfection by changing it.

>>714705627 (OP)
Part 1 and 2 were reslly stretched. I do get part 1 it is okay. Part 2 is also understandable because of the twist, but ahead of us there are now so many twists and other stuff. I am really interested if the story of p3 will feel like rushed. Other than that I love the series. But rebirth platinum is fucking hard man, but if this game doesn‘t give you tons of shit to do then I don‘t know what does lol. There are like 5 arenas in this game.

>>714717053
>hamfisted
It just disables items and MP recovery on some benches. Basically requires you to utilize more of your kit and plan out fights better instead of spam MP-using stuff.

>>714717181
its to fill a small story hole of how hojo managed to upload himself into an AI in dirge of cerberus
and chadley was excessively popular in japan in part 1

>>714705627 (OP)
It's all garbage for tasteless trannoid subhuman freaks

>>714717181
I am fine with "dude who has some Shinra VR thing where you can do combat challenges" but both games lock materia behind him and its fucking dumb. Also the VR backdrop is ugly as hell.

where are my Cloti bros at?

>>714710528
thats a really good comparison.
kinda impressive how badly they can miss the mark on stuff like this.
original FF7 can make its storytelling much more precise with way less and its also much more memorable to boot.

i hear that they're coming for xenogears next

>>714712147
thats FF7 remake in a nutshell
>cutscene cloud jumps 50ft into the air, spins three times and lands perfectly
>gameplay cloud: "oh no, this shelf is 6.216 ft high, we need to find a plank i can place here so we can climb it"

>>714718256
Isnt that monolith?

>>714705627 (OP)
I think they are pretty good, but sadly "fans" are braindead morons.
Like, read >>714710528. This is all you need to know to realize the remake was doomed to fail.

>>714717431
What you described isn't a "just". Disabling item use also comes with making materia like Item Master and Item Economizer completely useless. Did you saved Elixirs for Hard Mode? Well fuck you! dodge or die bitch! What if I dont like the new toolkit and find it worthless? What if I'd preffer to grind out 3 copies of swiftcast, comet and synegy like the autist I am because I want to break the game just like I did all the previous entires?
>b-but anon! that would be OP
Who gives a shit? It's a single player game. Nobody is getting their cock sucked for being an uber gamer with 1337 skillz.

>>714718923
Yeah, the same mentality you have was used for Expedition 33.
And guess what? it completely broke the game and made it a joke.

>>714719126
Except it did not break the game.
Those who wanted to make cheese builds made cheese builds while those who wanted to struggle did struggle. Everyone fucked off to their own corner and did their thing. This is an entirely beneficial thing and I'm sick and tired of pretending otherwise.

>>714705627 (OP)
I'm actually glad it exist because it's the perfect encapsulation of what 'soulless' means. When compared to the original game everything needs to be sanitized, modernized, streamlined and dumbed down. Designed meticulously by committee to be liked by many and loved by nobody. The music is great though.

>>714718923
That is modern games with the ability to patch/change stuff. Many things in Elden Ring have been nerfed, like the ice stomp, Night and Fire, the unlimited mana flask cheese with comet. I think cheese is fine if you work towards it, not if everyone who plays just discovers cheese because the game is poorly balanced like >>714719126

Yeah it makes a few materia regarding items worse, but also makes existing stuff like Abilities that use no mana but have elements much stronger and useful. Same reason why games like Persona limit mana regeneration but most old school JRPGs let you buy shit en-masse in shops and spam strongest shit and fully replenish before another big fight.

>>714719383
>I think cheese is fine if you work towards it, not if everyone who plays just discovers cheese because the game is poorly balanced
Rebirth has neither which is why it sucks.

>>714719305
You basically have to be illiterate to not make a broken build in E33, the additive and multiplicative damage multiplers makes it just something you stumble upon easily. Its like when Blizzard said they fixed people doing billions for D4 after coming off D3, and within a week people were doing billions.
>>714719606
Weird cause with one google search I see
https://youtu.be/WtVrf3puFp8?t=74
Which is just giving entire team full ATBs in seconds letting you spam down bosses easily.

>>714719305
>Those who wanted to make cheese builds made cheese builds while those who wanted to struggle did struggle.
I dont think you even played the game because in reality, theres no restrains in the game and the game is balanced around that.
Simon is not a boss you fight using the RPG mechanics, its all about the dodge and doing a LOT of damage.
Lets put it this way. When i faced simon for the first time, i was really excited because the first thing he does is steal my shields. So that made me think "oh ok, so he basically ruined my Maelle defensive build, maybe i should prepare my team to be more defensive in terms of straight defense or HP instead of shields" and thats what i did. I gave the characters roles. One supported, the other did damage, etc.
Except Simon is a completely broken character. Either you dodge or parry EVERYTHING or you get one shot every time, no matter how defensive you are. Defense or HP dont matter, supporting itself doesnt matter when lumina can do everything for you. And his attacks arent like 2 or 3 combo strings, its like 5, and top of that, delayed ones. Either you do a retarded amount of damage to beat him or you have to spend HOURS practicing his patterns because theres no room for failure. Not even sekiro was like this, because on top of that, Simon has a retarded stupid amount of HP in his second phase.
Now, if you want to one shot him, do you use strategy? not really, because due to the lumina system being also completely broken, instead of carefully choosing what to add/remove, you just stack one lumina over the other. The game just becomes super simple, due to the game not being balanced around the RPG stats or mechanics, but just dodge or parry.

Really, the game needed better balancing.
One quick way is to make dodge/parry AP based (each dodge or parry takes an AP), and balance the game around it.
For the lumina system, have a limit per character. 100 for NG, 200 for Post game and i dont know, 500 for NG+. Easy.

>>714720117
That's only true if you know beforehand to save all Colours of Lumina to use only on Verso or Maelle, even then you may need to abuse Chromatic Daneseur fight in Old Lumiere in order to have enough AP to pick up all those multiplicative abilities.

Brumal ATB only works if you can guarantee to have both Yuffie and Aeris in the team which is not always the case during Campaign due to forced party compositions. It also falls apart whenever a boss decides to focus Yuffie or shutdown Aeris before she gets her wards down. Either way Rebirth still lacks materia birth like FF7.

>>714718413
Xenogears is Square, the Xenoblade and Xenosaga are Monolith. It's a Demon Souls vs. Dark Souls publisher situation

>>714721584
Eh i would outsource it to monolith then
But i doubt they would want to work with SE.

>>714705627 (OP)

Pretty damn good.

Will be very funny to see all the "no reason" haters get a reality bomb in Part 3. Dont judge a book until its finished.
All the time line/multiverse crap that they bring up as an negative argument.....they all forgot what the lifestream is and does....
nothing to do with timeline or multiverse.
Developer will be like, gotcha you morons.

>>714720176
>I dont think you even played the game
I bet you feel real awkward right now.

>>714720176
>Either you do a retarded amount of damage to beat him or you have to spend HOURS practicing his patterns because theres no room for failure

Or you do picrel.

That's what great about E33. You have 3 options:
>Sweatlord like you did.
>Machine gun Verso like I did.
>facetank everything like picrel did.

>>714721756
>Will be very funny to see all the "no reason" haters get a reality bomb in Part 3. Dont judge a book until its finished.
I think people will just act like the game is saying "it was all dream" and hate it anyway.

Is Tifa still the hottest video game girl?

>>714705627 (OP)
Unnecessarily convoluted. Either remake it or label it as a sequel, which it is. The Kingdom Hearts bullshit is rubbish.

>>714721380
No, you can break it easily without saving everything for them. You just wouldn't do billions, or hundreds of millions but a paltry several million or maybe tens of millions. Pre-Act 3 I didn't even use Maelle because I found Lune's Genesis combo to be significantly stronger since it was multi hit for 9999s. Same with Verso Steeled Strike, and just had Monoco or Sciel as the third.

You can flip around big streamers who just end up making the game a joke like Moist, or Cohh, or Maximillian dood. People who just break the game not even trying or being spoiled, and that is just some. I think Bahroo did like 10+ hour streams in a row so he was probably the first streamer I've seen to finish the game and it was a joke the whole time. E33 is hard when you want to parry everything, instead of dodging, and generally its mainly act 1 before your consistently doing 9999s. Past that, you have so much speed from Pictos/stats that you get a ton of turns before enemies and it doesn't matter what they can do when your whole team is doing 9999s.

>>714722184
Always has been, anon.

>>714722184
Dethroned.

>>714705627 (OP)
Absolute visceral disgust

>>714722184
No. Also I think Lenna's much hotter in her own series nowadays.

>>714722434
Dude...
go and read what the lifestream is and does.
no kingdom hearts bullshit.

people really have forgotton what the liefestream is.....

>>714705627 (OP)
I like the worldbuilding expansions, like the Gi, the Republic of Junon, Cosmo Canyon, and they even got into the creation of Gold Saucer. I liked how you actually got hints of the way the world was before Midgar, and how they just built a bunch of cyberpunk shit on top of early-20th century architecture.

I also like how they expanded on the Cetra history, and the history of Jenova. Not to give them any ideas, but you could almost get another spin-off game that's like a more traditionally high-fantasy Final Fantasy game set during the Cetra's time when Jenova was first sealed away.

>>714724298
>I liked how you actually got hints of the way the world was before Shinra

Fixed.

I skipped out on the second one. Did the time ghosts somehow return or are they actually dead now thus causing the alt timeline? Or whatever it is.

>>714724459
Still there, just under Sephiroth's control but there are also white ones that the planet makes

>>714705627 (OP)
it's a monkey paw abomination.

It s the biggest piece of dog shit.
Its an embarrassment on all levels that fails to understand what made the original good or popular
There is not a single aspect of FF7 Remake that genuinely is an upgrade to FF7.
The music is wrong
The characters are wrong
The story is wrong
The visual look of the world is wrong
The combat is wrong
The dialog is wrong
There is a reason rebirth sold 30% of what remake sold. Its not because DURRR SEQUELS SELL LESS. Its because DURR THE GAME FUCKING SUCKS.

>>714705627 (OP)
>>714705627 (OP)
In one word: woke.

It has great music, great characters, great combat and great graphics but is suffocated by extremely poor pacing, filler, and an effervescent need from the makers to turn every moment from the original into an over-the-top spectacle.

>>714705701
FPBP

>>714726267
Why didn't they at least try to make it look similar?

>>714726267
>There is a reason rebirth sold 30% of what remake sold.
i think the pandemic vs no pandemic also had a tangible impact

>>714729962
I'll happily come up with 100 things to blame before the game itself. I'm glad you will do the same.

>>714705627 (OP)
I liked Remake because it expanded on Midgar and had a lot of good character moments. I also like Rebirth but holy FUCK the open world is genuinely dogshit and I hate these fucking checklists for EVERY goddamn region. If you ignore that stuff and focus on maybe just the Queen's Blood stuff and the main content, I think it's good. I have no nostalgia for FF7 by the way. I only played it for the first time a couple of years ago to have a frame of reference for the remakes. I thought it was good.