Why did the NFS brand die?

Shitty music in the latest releases. Also open-world driving meme. Just give me tight tracks to race on, with or without police, like the good ol' days of 3-5.

>>714726469 (OP)
Most Wanted's success buck broke them.

>>714726469 (OP)
There's not really much more to add other than the hot pursuit / street racer formula. Every twist in a street racing game has already been done.

>>714726469 (OP)
why do they keep making games then

>>714728253
Last one that came out was Unbound 3 years ago and it was a total flop.

I don't get what's so hard about NFS, just copy/paste Underground 2, MW, or Carbon with better graphics and newer cars.

>>714726469 (OP)
The game was killed by secondary audiences, and the devs keep listening to them hyper optimizing the game to play like most wanted, even though those secondary players will trash the game anyway

>>714728392
>it's a flop when I say it is

>>714728575
Yes

>>714726469 (OP)
it's over for all western games anyway. oblivion r and ex33 are the last decent games.

they should make nfs games like 1-3 again

>>714726469 (OP)
>release nfs15
>everything is pretty good
>except for the physics and cringy dialogue
>but the physics are so shit that the game is borderline unplayable
>spend the next decade iterating on the same engine and car database
>keep changing things around these bones
>except for the physics
>including occasionally making things worse and/or adding more cringy dialogue
sasuga electronic arts

all modern cars are cuckovers. JDMs are now are like malaise era vehicles back then. speaking of, has any racing game tackled electric cars? Even the ones that go way back to 2011 like that weird Mitsubishi or the bmw i3

>>714730219
You clearly have never played Heat or Unbound if you think they have the same physics as 2015.

>>714730219
You haven't heard cringy dialog until you've played Unbound.

>>714730267
FH5 and Motorfest has plenty of them.

>>714730267
forza has stuff like rimacs, porsche mission r, nio ep9, raesr, etc. and more mass market electrics like taycans and hyundais. none of them are particularly interesting. the super hybrids like a p1, 918, or laferrari were more fun.

>>714726469 (OP)
BRING BACK MIDNIGHT CLUB

>>714730721
What does this have to do with the thread, retard?

>>714730374
Barely different. Same flavour of brake to drift shit on highway-wide backroads. They are different, newer ones are slightly better, but they are all built on the same fundamentally fucked foundation.

>>714730721
It's called GTA Online now.

>>714730020
Don't leave High Stakes and Porsche Unleashed/2000 out.

The cars feel like shit and super unresponsive compared to older titles.

Play Most Wanted PvP in Hot Pursuit Remastered

>>714726469 (OP)
car culture is slowly dying because cars are becoming increasingly unattainable. Most zoomers don't care about cars and the song selection usually sucks ass.

I personally also feel that after payback, where they added that retarded ass progress system the brand took a nosedive in popularity and unbound ruined the series yet again.

NSF was peak racing up to early 7th gen era and after that it was not the same.

>>714726469 (OP)
>ea releases carbon
>decent amount of people like it but some bitch because its not most wanted
>ea releases prostreet
>filters most players, most bitch about it because of the difficulty spike and handling (although would later be liked and seen as the predecessor to forza horizon
>ea overcorrects with undercover, was complete garbage
>never fully recovered after
doesn't help that car culture in general is mostly either 90s jdm wank or retards fawning over "muh hypercars nurburgerking record"

>>714728392
they were so embarrassed by Unbound that they literally didn't bother marketing it until a month before release. maybe dont make a game only one nigger on youtube wants.

It's all about the professional motorsports nowadays.

>>714733759
they pretty much pulled a sonic
>mw is sonic adventure 1, universally loved, even despite its downfalls and anachronisms
>carbon is sa2, generally more polished but also not exactly sa1 so a bit more controversial
>pro street is shadow the hedgehog, an out of the left field entry that nobody liked at the time but became a cult classic in its own right
>undercover is sonic '06, rushed and undercooked, franchise has never recovered since

The music getting shittier and the cars going slower
https://youtu.be/KYeO9kUX9Lw?si=wk9Ha3wXthTmCP2_

>>714736424
might be true but the edit on that video is gay and retarded

>>714736424
they feel slower, because they can't do sense of speed anymore

Anyone have that pasta that goes like "Hey fag, before you join my crew, hou need 15 faggot coins from Laura in the garage. Go to her first".

>>714730219
The fmvs and cringe dialogue is what I love about it though. The physics and police mechanics are dogshit though, I'll agree.

>>714726469 (OP)
As gaming grew digitally, there's a wider audience and more choices to scratch the gaming itch. A game focused mostly on racing without stats and lite-RPG elements isn't going to grab most younger generation's interests except for the autistic.

>>714741973
>stats and lite-RPG elements isn't going to grab most younger generation's interests except for the autistic
The latter part is where the sales begin. You can cater to just 10,000 people and still generate consistent revenue each quarter or year, because those 10,000 will not only bring in money but also build a community. Targeting a younger, broader audience might give big sales at first, but the game could die quickly afterward. It’s a quality over quantity audience situation

>>714728392
>just copy/paste Underground 2, MW, or Carbon with better graphics and newer cars.
That's pretty much what Heat was, but rather than improve on Heat's shortcomings they made Unbound...

>>714728453
The game has barely any similarities with Most Wanted

>listen to old nostalgia junkies to try to make it all about the street racing scene
>.. from twenty years ago, which simply doesn't exist the way it did back then anymore
unironically Need for Speed being clean like how Criterion initially rebooted it and like the classics, being more about the raw thrill of cool cars and racing, rather than the STREET AESTHETIC crap would probably do better for them so long as they don't go Ubisoft or Xbox levels of whogivesafuck bland in the process. the Black Box era is long gone, and racing simply isn't the same anymore.

>>714736424
I have to agree on that. Underground 1, 2, and MW2005 had damn good licensed songs. The Run had some decent songs too such as Lonely Boy by The Black Keys and some others.

I never played Carbon, Pro Street, Undercover, HP2010, MW2012, or later games so I dunno how shitty the songs are in those but definitely have a feeling they are garbage post The Run.

It died because they never moved on with prostreet style games.

>>714726469 (OP)
people just want nfsw and carbon+ shift 1+2 modification with good music, good kits, and a story to keep on racin on.

>>714726469 (OP)
cars

>>714739649
bro cam shake tho just like tunnel vision my shit up dont matta I cant cuz traffic finna be parking in your lane every time sheesh blame Burnout

>>714741973
crazy how games just used to be _fun_ before suits trying to capitalize on fake market research data made it all gay and retarded

>>714726727
Nah NFS Heat had pretty good music. WAY better than ths 2010s buttrock-filled racing game OSTs with greenday and garbage like that

>>714751794
How to tell that you are brown without actually telling it

>>714733759
Carbon was the first game where cracks started to show. Feels like a rushed assed flip with some small additions which it was. EA requiring a new AAA release every year was just mental.

>>714747875
The fuck are you talking about?

>>714747590
I don't get the praise for El Camino when every single song from Magic Potion blows that album out of the water
https://youtu.be/6ImddR-lugM?si=AxDCGFjfXafsr2Ud

>>714751794
you need to die asap

>>714726469 (OP)
I avoided NFS until it was cheap but ended up buying all the DLC because it was so fun. At launch it wasn't good but honestly the gameplay was very fun and unlike other free roaming racing games.
It was bad news that they sunset the latest NFS because the final patches were actually really good with big gameplay changes and improvements.

What kept me away was the disgusting music choices and ugly cartoon people they tried to sell. Trying way too hard to sell some soft pudgy andro thing as a tough racer that's lost in a speed high in a criminal world listening to some lame rap gibberish.

Like that JAGUAR ad campaign that tanked their car brand, that's what happened to NFS.

>>714733759
Fuck this hat wearing faggot and fuck his shitty Audi.

>>714754071

>>714726469 (OP)
at first it was because of lack of innovation due to the crushing deadlines
Black Box had great ideas that they simply couldnt execute because of the yearly NFS releases, just look up the amount of cut content games like Pro Street and Undercover have
after Black Box died the entire franchise just was having a giant identity crisis
>Were back to our roots with Hot Pursuit
>uhh actually we are now Burnout lite with most wanted 2012!
>were now a sim racer with Shift
>uhh a cartoony racer with Nitro?
>no now were back to our REAL roots with 2015
>guess were doing Fast and Furious now with payback

>>714751794
>Get Low for the latinx audiences
https://youtu.be/9TY_9BImp3Y

>>714726469 (OP)
>Why did the NFS brand die?
Criterion has been sent to Battlefield mines that's why.

>>714726469 (OP)
I really liked Heat, I love the off-road rally sideraces and thought the day-night mechanic was pretty fun. Didn't buy Unbound because of the shitty anime animations though, it looks like crap

>>714741973
>more choices to scratch the gaming itch
I feel like there's not a lot of options to scratch the racing itch, though.

>>714754694
Heat at night with HDR on looks fantastic.

>>714726469 (OP)
Shit music

It's a number of things related to car culture in general dying
>modern cars are by and large shit because of increasingly strict safety and emissions regulations: everything coming out now is a boring, slow, jellybean-shaped mom-mobile crossover
>zoomers are by and large uninterested in cars and terrified of driving so they don't even have a driver's license and won't even try to get one
>buying, modifying, and maintaining a car is a far off dream for most people because of how expensive it is now. Most people are just going to get a used 100k+ miles on the odometer shitbox or an aforementioned mom-mobile just so they can get to and from work and just drive it into the ground

>>714760874
Fucking millennials killing off car culture.

>>714751460
It's not just in the visuals, it's also in the physics. New games feel like you can make any corner at any speed, even when you can't. UG and MW gave you a clear indication that no, you can't, you can feel that you are going too fast for what's coming next from the car getting tighter, but it's not yet time to slow down. Pro Street attempted to murder you even on the straights.

>>714754694
>>714756448
Heat looks good, I like the Miami nights design style, especially at night. The Day music Playlist is good, the night one is trash.

It would be a better game with better music and dropping the white males bad storyline.

>>714762895
HP2010 may have been a Burnout game in all but name, but it did have a good sense of speed and forced the player to approach corners with more finesse than just jamming down the accelerator and steering left or right. Granted that does mean drifting through basically any corner sharper than a gentle curve, but it was still better than mindless turning.

>>714763213
>listening to NFS music after 2004
Not me. I played Heat listening to mellow sonic's NFS remixes.

>>714726469 (OP)
TLDR:
>dogshit tier publisher who doesn't care that games need time to develop and only see profits as main drive
>devs lack desire to take risks and instead take dumbest decisions ever
>dick sucking of Most Wanted with Underground 2 because they were bestsellers back in the day (big factor here because it's bad idea overall, that ship has sailed long time ago and devs should have moved on to something else)
>forced multiplayer instead of focusing on singleplayer
>bad physics model that took 5 games to fix
>progressively worse and worse soundtracks (NFS used to have top tier soundtracks in most games)

>>714733759
Carbon is halfbaked game that is also a stepping stone for all things that are wrong with games industry, and once you play it long enough, you notice the cracks very quickly. All complaints are reasonable, and I'm saying this as somebody who considered it as one of personal top 5 games in past. Nowadays I wouldn't touch it with 10 foot pole with how bad it is.

>>714763601
>mellow sonic
step aside musiclet
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKQQrYT4kMMdkyHJRzA0sKRug9F6AsRpp

>>714726469 (OP)
Too much focus on trying to tell a shit story that would appeal to troons and niggers alongside tacky cosmetics instead of focusing on making the gameplay good.

Only positive thing about carbon is palmont at least looks nice.

Its a stagnant genre that haven't evolved since the ps2 era.

>>714729097
>Reblivion
Runs like total dogshit and the "improved" gameplay could be emulated via mods. Or you could just pick any of the morrowind mods that add Tamriel and play a objectively better game.
>ex33
Massively overglazed, it's merely average and is being carried hard by aesthetics and the competition all collectively shitting themselves to death. Parries being so overpowered effectively removes the need to engage with any other mechanic once you learn to press parry/jump/gradient to the audio cue like a trained seal.

>>714760874
As zoomer it's less about being terrified of driving and more about affording things. Maintaining car in current economy can be a hassle sometimes, let alone driving anything fancier than 90s or 2000s shitboxes. New cars are also getting shittier, are expensive, age like shit because half of car is plastic and is cheaply made, and on top of all that- new cars are incredibly boring because of politics.
Most zoomers are broke because job market is generally fucked, everybody around the corner wants to rob you, and prices of everything doesn't make things any better either. 2000s and early 2010s were the peak for cars as hobby. Nowadays it's after party everywhere and younger generations are being left to fight for scraps like bunch of cockroaches while older generations simply think it's all easy.

>>714761486
boomer/GenX car culture was a competition to see how many litters they could pack in while still somehow having less power than a ride on mower.

>>714726469 (OP)
I never liked how arcadey most NFS games were with the nitro bullshit, visual effects and lack of collision damage.
I really enjoyed NFS Porsche in that regard.

>>714764339
as far as driving mechanics go I liked dirt rally

>>714751794
You're legitimately brain dead if you think dnb and numetal is worse than nigger beats in the new NFS games.
Nigger music lacks the energy. All niggers know how to do is spin they hellcat and crash in an intersection.

>>714726469 (OP)
DEI

>>714764339
>Porsche Unleashed
>No collision damage
Porsche Unleashed had that.

>>714760874
You just reminded me I need to renovate my driver's license before it expires this September.
I think the last time I drove was in 2021.

>>714764609
Would be a real shame if I crashed a classic porsche.

Maybe players got sick of driving? It used to be a feature found mostly in racing games but then it got into all these open-world games, and driving from A to B turned into a chore.

>>714764609
I meant I enjoyed Porsche in that regard because it did have pretty realistic physics (for that time).

>>714726469 (OP)
>Get Heat
>Want to do a race
>lolno you can't do that
>Want to upgrade my car
>lolno you can't do that
>Turns out it's a grinding bar simulator, first you need to grind reputation doing pointless open world shit and then you need to grind money to actually buy the shit you unlock
>5 hours later, finally can do that race
>Don't have the right car for that race, can't just change my car, nooooo that would be smart, have to drive all way back to a garage first
Never touching a NFS game ever again, fuck that game, fuck EA

I didn't bother with anything after carbon because all the games after it look sterile and boring, they didn't look cool to me. same with forza and grand turismo. In a way i'm kinda glad midnight club died after la otherwise it would end up as a zombie franchise like nfs.

The problem was that NFS turned into Fast and Furious in all but name and moved out of street racing and into retarded action movie setpieces around the same time those movies did. You went from an illegal street race with tuned up midrange cars to jumping off cliffs onto moving trains in a $1.5m Koenigsegg.

>>714765795
You should play CarX Street. It is the same but with 5 times the grind!

>>714766650
Is this the one with the AI voice acting?

>>714736169
Where does The Run fit into the analogy?

>>714766767
Dunno about voice acting but the characters look ai generated.

>>714766813
Lost World maybe? Both kinda mediocre depatures from the mainline.

>>714726469 (OP)
Is NFS Heat good? I want to play a modern NFS game

>>714767901
If you can get it for 5-10 bones then go for it, it isn't worth more than that. The car selection is meh, the police chases are subpar, the game holds way too much back from you but to be fair you can clear this game in like six or so hours so they needed some form of padding. Unbound has worse single player (that being said I only watched some reviews on it that because my game bugged out and I couldn't even finish the single player) but if you're cool with multiplayer it's an okay time and the extraction mode is surprisingly fun but

>>714767901
Just play Hot Pursuit Remastered. Multiplayer is alive and well

>>714765795
>5 hours later, finally can do that race
more like 5 minutes, skill issue

>>714771858
>remastered
ew no