DAMAGE CONTROL! industry rushing to update their EULA.
the industry is reacting against stop killing games.
is /v/ gonna side with trillion-dollar enterprises just to be edgy contrarians?

GOOD MORNING SAARS I LOVE MUTAHAR SAARS

>>714734883
Most indians would try to rape mutahar for not defending corpos.

saar..

DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS UNTOUCHABLE SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE SKG

He won..btw
No white woman will ever touch you!!!!

>>714735163
unironically good for him

>>714734883
SAARS I ALSO LOVE SHITENDO SNITCH 2

>>714735163
>is raising white tyrone's son
he lost

Not the youtuber talking about this reddit garbage, it's over...

>>714735163
why does she look like a hooker tho? even though he’s a fatjeet, dudes rich and could score better

>>714734795 (OP)
Night media.

>e-celeb thread

>>714735326
Because you think any woman with make-up is dem prostitoot, Cletus.

>>714735163
she looks like she huffs pool chemicals to get high

>>714734795 (OP)
WHAT THE FUCK IS STOP KILLIONG GAMES

>>714734795 (OP)
Video games, faggot, VIDEO GAMES!

How we go about the STOP MAKING SHIT GAMES route instead?

>>714734795 (OP)
so what happens if I have a printed out my EULA with by gamebox, does the new digital update changes the old one retroactively ?

>>714735163
is that his aunt or something?
she looks much older than him.

>>714735562
>it's scared
good, good

>>714735163
Are there any hadith about marrying prostitutes?

>>714735163
Single mother who spent her early adult years partying 24/7 phenotype.

Why being ugly didn't affect his career?

>>714735807
Why being a backstabber and hypocrite didn't affect his career?

>>714735807
same with asmon. he’s just a boring as shit reaction tuber reaffirming what everyone already knows

>>714735937
Asmon is a whole new level. Biggest political content creator.

>>714735807
>career
lol only in America

>>714734795 (OP)
eula are literall null and void and meaningless text that literally dont mean shit in europe, they can write in it whatever they want none of it is binding or contractual or actually means anything no matter if you accept or not.
Eulas are not binding documents in europe, they are a wishlist at best.

>>714734795 (OP)
Designated shitting site

>>714734795 (OP)
REDEEM'D

Smelly

>>714735807
As a white woman, he's not ugly. In fact he's quite handsome. He has a nice nose bridgr, sort of angelic eyes, and his hair is shiny and straight.

>>714735163
What a king. Literally King of India

>>714735529
Don't we all huff some chemtrails

>>714734795 (OP)
Good morning

>>714737007
You will never be a woman

>>714734795 (OP)
I like how everyone forgot that Mutathar tried to claim credit for stopkillinggames when it first started

>>714737007
can we have sex please please please please please please please

>>714734795 (OP)
What will accelerate the death of the AAA games industry is what I'll support. I don't actually play any of the games that would be affected by this. I just want the corpo slop industry to die and everyone in it to suffer.

>>714734795 (OP)
>industry rushing to update their EULA.
Which has zero impact on law. If you write a contract that says, "You agree to let me kill you," and then you kill the person who signed it, you'll still be found guilty of murder.

>>714735326
>>714735730
>>714735736
>>714735163
it's fine if they're happy but mutahar is American culturally, Americans love older women and "stepping up" to women way past their prime and being the provider they settle for.

>>714735807
>Why being ugly didn't affect his career?
GOOD MORNING SAAR!

>>714735605
It does. They reserve the right to change it whenever they like, however they like.
EULA's are basically worthless nowadays since the instant the company realizes they disadvantaged themselves even a little bit, they immediately change the terms under the same "if you don't like it you're free to fuck off anytime, stupid goy." bullshit.

>>714734795 (OP)
The amount of pushback by the industry on this is insane. Most companies just switch up and move on but the fact they're combating against is hilarious.

>>714735605
They should just stop wasting everyone's time and write "We can do whatever we want and there's nothing you can do to stop it"
It wouldn't change a damn thing

>>714734795 (OP)
contrarians, I hate live service, and I hate matchmaking. And I will see them die in my lifetime.

>>714734795 (OP)
SKG will never pass in its current state because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714734795 (OP)
Games are not physical products you can "own". They are walks in the park, a softball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
You don't gain full ownership of the park or ball game because you spent $20 on a ticket. Funny how that works huh?

>>714740463
Who the fuck cares about indies? If indies are going to be defending big corpo greed, then these indies need to be taken out of the market.

>>714734795 (OP)
I hate this ugly fucking faggot. Stop showing your hideous fucking face.

>>714734795 (OP)
SAAAAARS PLEASE CLICK AND REDEEM THE LIKES
I AM MAKING A BIDEO ON CURRENT THING PLEASE SUPSCRIPE
BITCH LASAGNA

>>714736036
>biggest political content creator is a guy that never goes outside, lives in a literal biohazard, and whose worldview is entirely based off of contextless youtube clips
Grim

>>714740463
>Zurich-based queer indie dev
I am now on the side of SKG. Thank you for helping me come to an informed decision.

>>714736052
None of this matters because game companies are selling games to Americans, not yuropoors. They can simply decide not to sell in Europe, furthermore, EULAs are serious business in the US. You can get sued for violating it.

>>714740463
>LGBTQ+ indie devs
I dont see why mediocre puzzle games with depression allegories would need servers.

>>714740917
>They can simply decide not to sell in Europe
Based, paying for video games always felt like a scam.

NOOOOOOO IF THIS GOES INTO EFFECT THE SHIT GAMES WILL STOP BEING MADE... THINK ABOUT ALL THE POOR DEVELOPERS WHO WORKED HARD ON CONOCRD

>>714735248
mutts law

>>714735730
what does the islamic oral tradition have to do with an indian man and a white woman?

>>714740917
>You can get sued for violating it.
And you will win, every time. Judges wipe their asses with EULAs. Valve lost, EA lost, Ubishit lost, Blizzard lost...

>>714737007
you wouldn't notice any of those features if he didn't have 3.8M subs

>>714740463
Hey look it’s this game from 1999 that I still play multiplayer today.

I’m release of the game they released their server files….

>>714735163

>>714735223
SAAR! SAAROS IS BEST, BLOODY BENCHOD! SONY ALWAYS WINS!

>>714734795 (OP)
Ban IP
>No idea scarcity
>No intellectual "property"
Return to server browsers and local servers
"Stop (((killing))) games" is misguided EU cuckoldry, the american way is to reestablish the wild internet and disregard IP for 90% of what its used for
>But gee anon, what if they do a defamation or try to monopolize
Well tard anon, defamation suits would still be in effect and
IP is legal monopoly, IP being banned and banning legal monopolies being the spirit of the law, they can do jack shit to the product without being completely sidelined

I knew Mutahar IRL when I was a teenager

He invited me into a scam with him to try and scam people looking to buy weed. By pretending he had some kind of hydroponic super strain of weed. He wanted me to send people to him to scam. I told him I wouldn't. I knew of a couple people complaining about him ripping them off.

>>714741558
That's mental outlaw /g/ anon

>>714734795 (OP)
I'm siding with them because of all these threads you faggots spam 24/7. You're even more gay and annoying that Gamer Gate and Chantology faggots put together.

>>714734795 (OP)
Does this nigger ONLY make [current controversy] videos? Holy shit textbook grifter and seems to get away with it

>>714740463
>SKG will never pass in its current state because...
It's fucking retarded and redacted by a high school dropout and backed by mostly by Finland which is not important and that is taking into account that it is mostly popular among people who are not old enough to vote.

In case it passes who knows how it will materialize.
What is the proposed penalty if a company does not comply with it?
I would be surprised if the house of representatives understands what the hell is going on, you are trusting on your grandpa to catch on videogames, e-drama and reactionary teenagers while companies can easily pay lawyers and find loopholes. I can think of several, like releasing demos, there, your perpetually offline always available game :^) hope you like it.

>>714738448
If SKG does not pass and the industry is worse for it regardless, we should lynch you for being a fucking faggot, we told you this could happen pinko.
Zoomers deserve the rope.

>>714737314
neither will you, faggot, fuck off.

>>714734795 (OP)
I can't take anything this fat jeet says seriously anymore.

>>714738448
Maybe PirateSoftware really is a corporate puppet if they only started reacting to SKG right after PS lolcowed himself

>>714741887
That's all modern YouTube is. No one makes videos for fun anymore. It's all minimum amount of effort to maximize ad revenue. Shit's awful. I only watch RedLetterMedia videos now.

>>714734795 (OP)
Why are they scared? Did he do the needful?

>>714742106
>anymore
Bro c'mon. I'll give you a pass if you took him seriously before the face reveal but the moment you saw that grotesque face you should've never watched a video from him ever again.

>>714734795 (OP)
>is /v/ gonna side with trillion-dollar enterprises just to be edgy contrarians?
What do you mean? I signed the petition.
>updating EULAs
They can update my toilet paper too if they want.

>>714742143
PS became the face of this shit more than Ross himself.
My feed was full of ecelebs talking about Pirate Software, Ross should send him a gift basket.
Another thing going against him is that he talks like a fucking sperg.

>>714735326
thats unironically just what white canadian women look like.

>>714741887
I am pretty mad at him because when Id Software released Id Studio.
SOMETHING WE NEVER TALK ABOUT DESPITE BEING THE LARGEST PUSH FOR USER MADE CONTENT MADE IN THE INDUSTRY SINCE HAMMER...
No one talked about it.

Joshua Moon said it better, all you need to make it on youtube is some reactionary ragebait and you just choose one side. People consumer doomposting like corn syrup, they cannot have enough of it. Of course Null is also a dishonest faggot himself.

step 1. deport all gypsies (and everybody who learned gypsy behavior from them) outside india back to india
step 2. nuke india
step 3. chill
step 4. nuke india again

>>714735807
because his audience is just as ugly and brown as him

>>714735163
he raises her children from a previous marriage

>>714734795 (OP)
>industry rushing to update their EULA.
what are they changing?

>>714741941
Anon I think you're fucking retarded. The petition is not a law. The petition is the citizens drawing attention to a problem and officially, legally asking the lawmakers to look into it and fix it. If a law is made then it will be decided what the penalty for breaking it is.

>>714734795 (OP)
Posting this faggot only hurts your cause. You should know this by now

>>714742668
>The petition is the citizens drawing attention to a problem and officially, legally asking the lawmakers to look into it and fix it.
Question anon, lawmakers make laws right? Then what else do you propose LAWMAKERS do in this situation? What honestly do you think it's going to happen.

>If a law is made then it will be decided what the penalty for breaking it is.
So you have no fucking clue either.
We are letting this dumbass vote, incredible.

>>714734795 (OP)
>industry rushing to update their EULA
Oh cool. Hoyo is finally making physical viable?

>>714734795 (OP)
EULAs do not overwrite laws

>>714742772
That's their whole intention. To turn SKG into another Gamergate situation

>>714740463
>>714741941
saaar do not redeem this has been answered.
please and thank you for rope.

>>714742630
Much like this garbage petition, the EULA is totally worthless.
I am trying to find a single case won by EULA.
And of course, Blizzard shows up, did not work by the way.

That said, I do not know if this true but Ubisoft is asking you to not only uninstall but destroy physical copies.

>>714742772
I do not know any of the ecelebs that support this gay shit, literally zoomers and their fascination with youtubers.
Reminds me of old people and CNN.

>>714735163
>totally not because he's famous
good morning saar

>>714743273
>Ubisoft is asking you to not only uninstall but destroy physical copies
It's in their EULA, but they have no legal way to enforce it.

>>714734795 (OP)
Completely pointless act that will only serve to damage their reputations further. EULAs do not supercede consumer law. It's gonna be incredibly cathartic watching them forced to bend the knee, so no, this time I'll set my contrarianism aside.

>>714743265
>>714743282
Looks like we triggered the anti-India AI lol

>>714735163
She is a single mom gross

>>714743136
It already is.
Ecelebs proclaiming they are saving videogames in an endless circlejerk that just shits up the front page and supporters are retarded underage posters hooked on social media.

Ultimately gaming media only became shittier and GG ecelebs became lolcows.
However #GG did create some kino content
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2klLy8r8Ro
Replace the hindu chick with Pirate Software.

>>714743265
The pajeet is on your side, fuck face.

>>714743136
Because it went so well for them last time

>>714743470
No shit, dipshit.
It's funny as hell nonetheless.
I cannot even fathom who would approve of this.
It genuinely the most entertaining thing they have done in a decade.

>>714743529
>>714743616
hallo saar your racism against your brother has been reported to HR
turn in shill badge and do not redeem anti-skg shilling any more
your posts are too stupid for even our standards and the company will not stand for it.
saar we already had to purge our employees who thought people on 4chan didn't remember what really happened with GamerGate, we do not need more of your kind.

>>714734883
Indians hate him and he hates them, you should watch the episode of the unsub podcast he was on, it was pretty good.

>>714734795 (OP)
SAAAAR

>>714734795 (OP)
>I have no chin and I must redeem
Is this one of those channels where they catch scammers?

>>714740463
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups
Kek, the fucking desperation of using this line for pity points.

>>714743726
>zoomer trying to not have a meltdown: challenge impossible

>>714735163
Good for him, married to a cum dumpster and raising her (not his) kid.

>>714743273
I always pray that if ever brought to court someone will win just by arguing that the terms they agreed to was of course not read because the company doesn't want you to read them. As is evident by the text's length, lack of summary, and advanced language. Plus usually displayed poorly (small text box, not even covering the whole screen, and/or displayed after you've already purchased the product).
Something seriously need to change, nobody takes any terms seriously.

>>714743834
saaar you use wrong response!
pay is deducted

>>714743789
>pajeet
>catching scammers
They'd burn him alive for treason, terrorism and being a menace to national security and sovereignty.

>>714743273
Did you bother to read the Blizzard case?

"Applying Vernor, we hold that WoW players are licensees of WoW’s game client software. Blizzard reserves title in the software and grants players a non-exclusive, limited license. Blizzard also imposes transfer restrictions if a
player seeks to transfer the license: the player must (1) transfer all original packaging and documentation; (2) permanently
delete all of the copies and installation of the game client; and (3) transfer only to a recipient who accepts the EULA. A player may not sell or give away the account."

>>714740463
This is gay for sure but the tranny got a point.
Whenever the EU passes a law to own conglomerates they don't do so taking into account the size of the company, it is applied globally and the EU usually hurts startups.
You cannot meet the standards? too bad asshole.

I used to believe Merkel was going to fine Burger Big Tech with the intent to give local developers a chance to develop Germany's own social media platforms.
Turns out Facebook and Google shrug it off and the "Kraut Silicon Valley" never came to be.
Corporations are evil but the government is even worse.

>>714744162
they unironically do not have the balls to do that.

sorry op but even if i agree with you i have to hide your thread because you posted a repulsive ind*an
please don't shit up the board in such an incondsiderate manner again

>>714744226
>indies will magically be hurt because uhhhhhhh
>"the EU usually hurts startups"
indies typically don't make live service slop because they cannot afford to pay for the servers needed, saaaaaar

>>714744201
You are taking about:
https://barrysookman.com/2010/12/20/teachings-from-the-blizzard-wow-case/

I am going to do a classic move in internet arguing 101 and move goalposts now.
This was a clear infringement on copyright because it was a software based on another software. So that was what won the case not so much the EULA which was referenced.

>>714744330
Come back when your balls drop.
You are not worth talking too.

>>714744330
>indies typically don't make live service slop because they cannot afford to pay for the servers needed
Hey retard, cloud services are genuinely more affordable than hosting your own. It is an industry standard even for mid sized independent groups.
A.I startups use AWS and Azure as standards.

An indie game can still be a $15M project that can be scaled to accommodate players if necessary.
Stupid hindu.

>>714744649
>impotent pajeet rage

>>714744787
Post five games.

>>714744798
I know you are impotent, but what am I? :)

>>714744787
saaaar please name the indie startups doing this please and thank you
do not redeem the shilling of the online services you already are representing.

>>714744857
not doing your job, which is the best I could ask for.

>>714744787
>15m
>indie
>"small loan of a million dollars"

>>714734883
Ironically enough, proper indians hate other indians that weren't born in their homeland.

>>714743529
>anti-India AI lol
lemao, NOW it's an AI? first it was the pakis, then the chinks

>>714744823
Valheim
Among Us
Phasmophobia
Dead Matter
Core Keeper
Risk of Rain 2
Noita
Ready or Not

Since the same shitty arguments are being thrown out, why don't we talk about interesting games that we have found?
I found one the other day which is an RTS with a shit ton of players on each team. This one is a 33v33v33 battle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfpaFcMvqfE

>>714745018
Indie stands for independent, retard.
Do you think stands for India?

>>714745184
>SAAAR LET ME DETRACT FROMT HE CONVERSATION BY SHIILING MY GAME SAAAR REDEEM MY GAME SAAR

>>714745176
>Valheim
The very first game you mention has dedicated servers, rajeet. I won't even bother with the rest.
They really aren't sending their best.

>>714735605
They reserve the right to change "AT ANY TIME"
Now, does this make that legal? Probably not. Picture if you went to buy any other product, not even going to name one because no other product does this, and they put a clause that says they can replace it with a pile of shit whenever they want. Anyone else would say that's incredibly fucking illegal, but not video games. We'll put up with it because we are cucks just like movie watchers.

>>714734795 (OP)
look at that DISGUSTING pajeet face

>>714738247
This.
And it's not going to help them during a court proceeding since any legal document one party can arbitrarily change is seen as frivolous in the eyes of any court. If you notice, the only ones that have ever held any weight at all are the ones where they don't reserve the right to change it.

>>714745317
Man, you are really chugging some prime eceleb cum right now.
>What games use cloud services
>These
>Um does not count because um they have an option for dedicated servers

>>714745176
SAAAAR
>valeim
local hosted and has dedicated server, literally what SKG wants
>among us
also locally hosted and modded SAAAR you fuck up again
>dead matter
saar. this is dedicated server for personal download again.
>core keeper
AGAIN SAAAR this has dedicated server like SKG wants saar you keep fucking up!
>risk of rain 2
SAAAAAR THIS IS ALSO HAVING DEDICATED SERVER FOR PERSONAL USE
>noita
saar..... noita is not multiplayer.
why are you so stupid saaaar?
>ready or not
saaar, ready or not uses p2p connection. it is local hosted.


how was he THIS bad?

>>714745421
Nigger, doesn't that give points of precedent to SKG that it is possible to have a cloud based game while also being able to have community hosting?

>>714744572
Did you read the "Contractual covenants vs. license conditions" section of the case or are you just looking at some Canadian attorney's website?

>>714745421
>game isn't affected by SKG because it already complies with what's being asked doesn't count as an example for why it is impossible to comply with SKG

>>714745421
yes retard.
because that is EXACTLY and TO THE LETTER what SKG is asking of companies.
the option for a dedicated server maintained by the players.
so your shitty corpo can die and WE can keep playing.

>>714745490
>they cannot afford to pay for the servers needed
>They do
>Oh um, I am gonna meme
Retard.
Possibly a disgusting brownoid yourself.

>>714745490
>I didn't even notice he mentioned a single player game
KEEEEK

>>714745176
every single one of those games are playable without online. do you not fucking understand what stop killing games even is? of course you don't why am i asking this.

>>714745584
>he couldn't even read the english properly

>>714744162
No, I thought he was the scammer lmao. He looks hungry for google play cards.

>>714745640
>do you not fucking understand what [zoomer movement #30124] even is?
Some gay circlejerk.

This is one of the worst shills against SKG so far, how much are they even paying? No way this is the best they could manage. MS has experience with jeets, they should know better.

>>714734795 (OP)
>Ross refuses to start a fundraiser/non profit to help with this initiative
>Meanwhile EA & friends are already putting resources into lobbyists to make sure this shit stays dead in the water
This shit is going to die because lobbyists will be able to spin whatever narrative they want to spin and gamers will be helpless to defend themselves because they have Ross of all fucking people championing them.

>>714745780
Well jeets are jeets

>>714745780
You should have seen the microsoft hosted pubg tournament that went south around 2016.
something was fucked with their connection to the tournament feed, so they paid a guy to sit in twitch as a mod and just pretend everything was on the viewers end and bullshit tech support.
they botted the stream heavily by the thousands as well.

>>714745831
Stop doomposting retard.
Stupid pajeet.

>In trying to prove that indies are capable of cloud servers, accidentally prove that cloud servers don't need to be centralized and can be distributed to the community
Ebin :DDD

>>714735807
males are his main audience. normal men will listen to what an ugly men says if his opinions are insightful or have any value of any kind. or if theyre funny.
its women that have to be pretty for the internet audience to care about them.
a lot of people watched total biscuit back in the day, or dunkey, and literally no one cared they were fat as fuck.

>>714745512
I do not care that much but TL;DR?

>>714745831
Ross is a good boy. I believe in him.
Also it doesn't matter because he won't actually be the one presenting arguments to the EU commission. He already arranged for different guys to do that part. They may ask him for an official statement or something at most.

>>714745931
When the fuck I said that, I said indies could afford cloud gaming.
I did not look up for independent studios that did game as a service.
Why is your little cult so desperate to find an opponent?

>>714745176
hey shill? why did you go silent?
is your boss raking you over the coals for fucking things up this badly?
how did you screw up so bad you claimed a single player offline game like noita would be affected?

>>714735807
His content was interesting enough.
But then became the average youtube "reactionary"

>>714745893
It's not doomposting retard it's the literal reality of the situation. Get your head out of ass and realise there's a lot more that goes into changing laws like this than just blind faith that EU lawmaking boomers who probably have no fucking idea what video games even are will have your best interests in mind. They're going to ask questions by reaching out to experts, and you know who those experts are going to be? On EA&friends payroll.

>>714746048
>when the fuck I said that
uh oh the poo is having a poo!

>>714746090
>>714746048
response?

>>714746162
I accept your concession :^)

>>714746048
Maybe not you specifically making that argument, but I have seen tons of people in these threads making that argument and you have given me examples I can fire back at them to prove that you can have cake and eat it too.

>>714746164
>>714746243
>its actually him
holy shit you really are just an angry indian shitting himself in rage lmao

>>714746268
I know you are, but what am I?

>>714734795 (OP)
Yes i rather side with corpos than a pajeet
Fuck indian and fuck you saar
Kys subhuman go back to your bharatchan!!
We don't want your kind here poopeater rapist, nobody likes your kind

>>714746467
>so mad he forgot his english again
pajeets are crashing out already lmao

>>714734795 (OP)
Let the industry crash and start over.

>>714746264
Well to be fair I was more focused on the cloud part than the GaaS part.
But it makes sense indie games could be played privately since gamedev general has a ton of resources for scalability with projects starting with dirt cheap servers.

Beats me if there are GaaS only indie games, I do not play multiplayer games.

>>714746508
Go back pajeet

>>714735163
He's a cuck tho.....

>>714746592
saaar do not talk to yourself on company time

>>714746162
I have trouble creating angry pajeets images can you hook me with one for this guy:
>>714746147

>>714735163
lol she's riding his youtuber money.

>>714746629
just google it.
they aren't worth any effort lol.
not even AI is worth the effort.

>>714745512
Ahem, no, so are you going to elaborate?
>>714746592
>>714746619
You both sound brown and retarded.

>>714734795 (OP)
I remember when this faggot was nothing more than a loser who read creepypastas. Now he's a loser who can't shut up about his worthless political opinions. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
For me, it's "PM64 Cease to Be" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb9SB_pbNCc

>>714734795 (OP)
indian skin is made of poopoo feces

>>714746702
you need to speak on their level for them to understand, anon.
these pajeets are too stupid and lazy to understand english.
they couldn't even look up 5 indie games that would be harmed by SKG.

>>714746619
post hand poopman

>>714741091
You faggots have no room to talk right now. We're getting rid of our Bbrowns, you're bringing them in by the boatload

>>714746773
post your LEFT hand, saar.

>>714746681
I thought you were creating these.
Do you have like a folder of these?

Anyways...
So look I am not going to watch 3 hours of ecelebs talking about Eula and shit.
How will this read when its finished?
Also
>>714742851
Seriously nothing on this?

I mess up with the cloud service thing and I get 10 replies but I get zero on this, fuck you guys.