The Shadows of Doubt thread earlier got me thinking that I should play some more investigative/mystery/detective games. I bought Painscreek Killings a long time ago but I never actually booted it up so I played it for 2-3 hours and wasn't really impressed. The level of details in the town/locations itself were nice but nothing about it immerses me. I was having fun setting up a notebook organizing an events timeline and a list of characters, events, suspects and locations but running circles trying to find keys left me bored.

I have Infra in my cart and I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy it but I was looking for some more suggestions while the sale was on. I've got Strange Horticulture, The Operator, both the Golden Idol games, Keyword: A Spider's Thread, and The Roottrees are Dead in my wishlist that I'm looking at but I probably only want to pick up 2-3 games for now. I've already beaten Outer Wilds and Obra Dinn.

bump for videogames bro. good luck.

>>714740207 (OP)
If you can get past the character design, Paradise Killer is pretty good. You might not like the collectathon aspect though

>>714740207 (OP)
wadjet eye games does stuff like this if you can tolerate very old fashioned adventure game formats. I kinda bounce off of it myself. And janky as hell but there's Deadly Premonition.

Judgement & Lost Judgement

>>714740207 (OP)
You already have mentioned the games I would've recommended to you, OP, so i can't do much but bump the thread and wish you luck in your quest

>>714740207 (OP)
La noire will always reign superior. Especially with investigative and the good cop bad cop interrogations which are well written.

>>714740207 (OP)
Unheard is cheap.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/942970/Unheard__Voices_of_Crime/

>>714740207 (OP)
>>714748132
Oh I forgot about Pentiment. Also try that.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1205520/Pentiment/

It's made by Obsidian, but it was a passion project with a skeleton crew
so none of the modern obsidian faggotry is in it.

INFRA is one of my most favorite games ever, and to me, it is a peak investigation game

Blade Runner

>>714744638

I will also recommend Paradise Killer. As this anon says, the character designs are ... strange ... and there's almost an old school N64 style collectathon aspect to the game, but that's secondary compared to the actual mystery solving and detective story in a bizarre and original scifi world.

Good music too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y27Xcd2nZc

>>714740207 (OP)
I liked the Blacksad game. Furries for noir detective enjoyers, or is that the other way around? Anyway, it's good.

Mystery games should be obligated to mention in their description if they're actually mystery solving games or theme park rides where you don't actually solve anything yourself.

>>714740207 (OP)
I make a distinction between "games you play as a detective" and "games that make you feel as a detective" and there's surprisingly, frustratingly little overlap between the two. The metroidbrainia genre excels at this but most of its best games aren't detective games. If you love Outer Wilds, try Riven (original, not remake) and La Mulana. Another underrated one is Enigma Of Fear (which has a "detective mode" so you have to keep your own notes). Even Blue Prince. You'll be taking a lot of notes, coming up with a lot of weird theories, making a lot of cool organic discoveries.

I loved Painscreek open-endedness but it relies too much on keys and diaries, and sadly the ending is terrible. It feels more like a traditional point and click almost. Their next game, Scene Investigators is about investigating crime scenes and noticing details, deducing what happened. Quality of scenes/puzzles is very uneven, worth playing for the one really good scene.

The Operator is completely on-rail, a glorified VN. It's a fun and short little conspiracy story, but there's no satisfying investigation. Hypnospace Outlaw is the computer interface detective game you actually want, but it takes a little while to open up.

Yesterday I forgot to mention one of my favorites also. Her Story. Amazing game, completely non-linear and open-ended, driven by your own curiosity, packed full of manipulative details and red herrings. Sadly very underrated here. Unlike other games in the genre that follow Obra Dinn's way of rewarding and validating your findings, it commits to remaining an ambiguous cold case so it's more of an acquired taste.

Will recommend INFRA, The Roottrees are Dead, Golden Idol (but you dont need to buy both now). These are the top, up there with Obra Dinn. There are also more text heavy games like the Ace Attorney series that still manages to give the same feeling when you start to put the pieces together as in Obra Dinn. Can add Paranormasight in there as well, which is a VN that rewards the ability to think or observe. Then you have Tangle Tower as a good runner up. Killer Frequency could work for you, but I felt it was a bit too "clean", but the concept is cool and I like the setting. Suprised nobody has mention The Forgotten City, but it is not a complete rec from me, it has its problems and jank.

Disco Elysium is kind of a joker for this type of game. A Hand with many fingers is amazing, but too short and more like a demo/teaser

Strange Horticulture might seem like a mystery/detective/investigation game, but in reality it doesnt feel like it at least. Hypnospace Outlaw gives more of that feel while being more of a funny VN walking sim through the net if you get my comparison.
Unheard has a good idea, but I found it to be lacklusting and not worth. To easy to predict and too easy to bruteforce.


>>714749425
>theme park rides where you don't actually solve anything yourself.
This

>>714751291
>Yesterday I forgot to mention one of my favorites also. Her Story
Fuck, I was thinking of that game when I was typing my post below, but even I forgot it. Highly rec

>>714751291
Though I will not recommend The List, which is very similiar, but everything is just worse.

>>714740207 (OP)
Japan used to make a TON of these back in the Famicom days. Try Famicom Tantei Club Part II (SNES remake).

>>714751623
I got that one, haven't played it yet. Seems we've both reached the point of having already played all the good ones, and now digging through the mid stuff just to scratch the itch.

>>714740207 (OP)
>I have Infra in my cart and I'm pretty sure I'm going to buy it but I was looking for some more suggestions while the sale was on
Infra is great, but it REALLY isn't a detective game, not even close to that. It's an urban exploration game, the gameplay revolves around documenting decrepit infrastructure. There is a mystery plot behind it, but you don't really do anything to piece the story together yourself, the game is a strictly linear experience and more info on the pseudo-conspiracy behind it is just dripped to the player via exposition.

One game that actually may fit your interests is Pathologic 2. It's mechanically a survival game, very hard and dreary, but it has a murder mystery subplot, and one of the most brilliant journal / exploration / investigation mechanics I've ever seen in any game, ever.
Again, it's not thematically your conventional detective game, but the way you build a literal network of clues, decisions and reveals is essentially a very mechanically satisfying investigation process.

>>714752202
>Infra is great, but it REALLY isn't a detective game, not even close to that. It's an urban exploration game, the gameplay revolves around documenting decrepit infrastructure.
Listen, anon, it helps to read the OP. It says investigation/mystery too

>>714752304
It's barely either of those things.
You go to inspect some machinery pipe bullshit and the terrain collapses and traps you on the other side and you spend the rest of the game trying to get back and having to fix a bunch of fucked shit that's blocking your progress.
You can take photos of said broken shit but that's an entirely optional sidequest that barely amounts to anything.

>>714752395
I disagree. The fixing machines and trying to figure out where to go is using your brain to deduce what to do. From what I remember, it was rarely spelled out what to do.
Of course there is a mystery there too

Highest IQ thread on /v/. Also looking for games like those.

>>714752395
There's an entire conspiracy to unravel that most people miss, what are you talking about
You have to go out of your way to find it

>>714740207 (OP)
I think OP you should play Obra Dinn first, it's the first real game where investigating and listing your deductions are actual game mechanics instead of
>cosmetic setting/theme in linear games (Judgement)
>story-heavy games where the deductions happen entirely in your head (Her Story)
>Myst-likes where it's a bunch of interchangeable puzzles connected together by corridors.
Infra for example is a mix of these 3 greentext, though that doesn't mean it is unenjoyable.

There's still no good term to define these games besides "ObraDinn-likes" like what >>714749425 says, which makes them hard to find . Besides Shadows of Doubt there are:
>Golden Idol series
>Roottrees are Dead
>Unheard
>Duck Detective series
>Chants of Sennaar
>Type Help

>>714752731
Hey, anon, it helps to fucking read the post. Last line in OP:
> I've already beaten Outer Wilds and Obra Dinn.
How the fuck can we take your advice on investigation/mystery/detective games if you cant even read the whole post? That would be like getting stuck on the first part of Roottrees because that one girl's name is hidden slightly

Will check out Type Help though

>>714752304
>Listen, anon, it helps to read the OP. It says investigation/mystery too
The problem with Infra is that it really does not have any of those investigation elements, to be frank, not that much of a mystery to it either.

Again: INFRA is a great game. This isn't a criticsm. Infra is gorgeous, very immersive, and very funny on top of that. It's a near pure walking sim (handful of straight forward puzzles not withstanding) that somehow remains interesting for all of it's insane, near 20 hours playtime.

But it isn't a game about investigation, and for the most part, there really isn't that much of a mystery to it either. You quite literally could argue that Dear Esther or Firewatch or Gone Home are just as much, if not more of a "investigation" or "mystery" games.
And again: this is not a gripe. INFRA is objectively full of charm and beauty, where as Gone Home or Firewatch are just retarded... but in terms of fitting OP's interest, they are all equally relevant.

An investigation / detective game needs some kind of actual mechanical element of an investigation. Like Pathologic 2's "mind map" in which you actively create chains of evidence, reasoning and connections. Or Return of Obra Dinn's clue journal. Or Blade Runners accusation system.

INFRA is a good game. I wholeheartedly recommend playing it. But it would be a mistake expect something it was never meant to provide.

>>714752395
>he didn't find out about SNW
>he never learned what really happened to Jeff Walter and Hartmann
>he didn't find the other half of the bunker
>he didn't drink the mushroom tea or open tunnel b2
yeah it's definitely just about taking some photos of broken shit, nothing unusual here
>>714752901
In INFRA's case, a lot of the investigation/mystery stuff is tied to a (still unsolved) ARG so you are expected to make the mind map yourself
It is still fun trying to connect all of the dots ypurself though, even if it doesn't necessarily give you a tangible, in game reward

>>714752557
>I disagree. The fixing machines and trying to figure out where to go is using your brain to deduce what to do
Fixing machines is a simple puzzle system that does not tie to the story itself whatsoever, and you don't have to figure out where to go: the game is 100% linear, there is absolutely no point in which would the path forward be unclear. Sometimes there is a random puzzle to block your progression, again - not related to the story or mystery itself - most of the time, you just walk in a line soak in those fucking amazing environments and laugh at the jokes. There is no investigation.

My issue with a lot of these games is that the pay-off is kind of underwhelming. The "reveal" at the end of obra-dinn, for example, was not that interesting. I had the same issue with the root trees are dead. I liked the idol series (especially the first one), since I think there was a much more interesting story.

Inscryption might be worth a play if you have played all the other more proper investigation/mystery games.

>>714752901
>>714753074
I guess you just missed the stuff >>714752681 mentioned

Firewatch is a mystery game, but it is so on-rail that it doesnt fit this thread. Though if you are a non-gamer or something like that then Firewatch might give you the proper mystery/investigation feel since you wont understand how linear it is

>An investigation / detective game needs some kind of actual mechanical element of an investigation
I disagree. Where is the mechanical element of an investigation in Outer Wilds? As far as I remember there is none, it is "all in the players head" pieceing together the info.

You clearly missed so much stuff in Infra (as did I according to >>714753054). You are the first one I have met to say that INFRA does not fit this type of game. The game can be linear, but there is hidden stuff if you realize and look for it

>>714753054
>In INFRA's case, a lot of the investigation/mystery stuff is tied to a (still unsolved) ARG
I'm sorry, but that is a big stretch. 99.99999% of people will have no clue there is any ARG. It's not really even an ARG, it's just a secret ending easter egg. In terms of how often you get clues for it, it's like 3 times in the 20-hour long game, and god knows if it's not all a massive red herring joke by the developer. The game is a comedy after all.
Again: INFRA is a great game, but trying to force it into a mystery/investigation bracket is a needless and pointless exercise. Appreciate it for what it is, it has more than enough actual qualities of its own.

>>714752878
I admit I turned off reading OP when they started mixing in the games that aren't actually like Obra Dinn, happens all the time in these threads so my mind filters them out automatically.

>>714752901
INFRA's mystery element is the backstory you have to make sense of through articles and recordings. So it's a mystery game in the same way Her Story is, just not represented as an actual game mechanic.

>>714753180
Anon, I dont know what to say. If you are solving the mystery then of course there will not be the same "plot twist omg!" feeling as if there was another game that just revealed something you could never understand through the game. The joy of these games is not the ending, but the journey and solving to get there. Figuring out how the fuck the baker on the boat is which then cascades into figuring out who the whore below deck is and so on gives such a great feeling. You already know what ultimately happened to the ship at the beginning anyway. The Roottrees less so

blue prince is the best mystery game there is.
I just finished hypnospace outlaw it was also cool esp if you like diving into aside stuff.

I'll likely play Lorelei next

>>714753376
>but trying to force it into a mystery/investigation bracket is a needless and pointless exercise.
I would argue that it is the opposite that is a pointless exercise. It seems you are making a bigger deal out of it not being a mystery game, than we are of it being one.

>>714753407
No worries, it happens. I have missed crucial stuff in games because I was lazy and didn't read, just glanced.

here is an image I usually see posted for similar games

>>714753242
>I guess you just missed the stuff
No, I did not. It's just not that "impressive". You really have to be absolutely blind to miss it. Which in a game whose sole central mechanic is to be thorough when exploring (since it's very obvious from the start that your photodocumentation success will determine the ending), it's very hard to miss the dead body or the Walter/Hartman subplot. Most of the evidence is in fact directly in player's path, the few clues that aren't, including the corpse, are again easily found if you just do the documentation task with some due diligence.

It's not super advanced mystery, it's nowhere as "hidden" as you seem to think. It's fun but it's just a very bare through-line that justifies the collection of setpieces you go through.

Again: go play some of the other games I've mentioned and you'll see the difference.

>>714753407
>INFRA's mystery element is the backstory you have to make sense of through articles and recordings.
You are telling me it's a mystery and an investigation game because you have to read some shit?

Didn't know FEAR was a fucking mystery investigation too then.
Seriously. This is bizarre, and bizarrely pointless.¨

I get that you like INFRA, and trust me, I'm in the same boat, but this is stupid. Especially in a thread ostentatiously intended to discuss AS MANY OTHER GAMES THAT FIT THE BILL OF DETECTIVE / MYSTERY / INVESTIGATION games.

>>714753542
>It seems you are making a bigger deal out of it not being a mystery game, than we are of it being one.
I prefer clarity and honesty, to pointless and absurd fanboyism. The fact that you and me both like INFRA should not cloud our judgements and drive us irrational. INFRA does not need a new justification for its existence, there is no need to twist and bend truth for the sake of it.

OP asked for a very specific genre of games. We should focus on answering that challenge, rather than turning the damn thread into a needless attempt to force in a game we like, but that does not fit the bill very well.

Again: if you want to push INFRA so badly, then why don't you push for Firewatch or Gone Home as well? They have actively MORE investigation and mystery elements than INFRA does.
But you would probably mock the FUCK out of anyone seriously suggesting them, right?

>>714753424
Both of these games dangle a shiny "here is a bit of information you'll only get at the end". I don't understand why you think it would be impossible to have a cooler story pay-off at this point. The satisfaction you get from these games is completely logical deductions, that is completely different from a story though, and nothing about one precludes the other.

In Golden Idol, for example, you can solve each chapter without understanding the greater character motivations or really _why_ anything is happening, but once you reach the end of the game you will have figured it all out. Granted, the structure of the game makes it easier to dole out a story this way, but I don't think it would be impossible in the other games.

>>714740207 (OP)
Shameless Enigma of Fear recommendation
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1507580/Enigma_of_Fear/

here's some upcoming games to look forward to. everything good currently out has already been mentioned

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3342470/City_of_Voices/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2459030/Locator/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2458980/Dimhaven__The_Lost_Source/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2126810/Memorys_Reach/

>>714752731
deduce 'em ups

>>714740207 (OP)
only somewhat adjacent to this thread but
This is the first game of the guy who made Baba and Noita. Its a typical metroid-like but theres a pretty large secret hunt at the big picture, and leading up to the "normal" final boss you should be finding random clues and putting pieces together, spotting suspicious stuff, etc. The secret itself isnt linear and takes place all over the map which is surprisingly vast. The game isnt very popular and not well documented which adds to the sense of mystique
The only lame thing about is that if you tell this to someone that might be interested in that sort of game, they will receive spoilers and not come into it expecting just a generic metroid-like

>>714754037
>You are telling me it's a mystery and an investigation game because you have to read some shit?
No, I'm saying that OPs and the general definition of "mystery games" is too broad.
>>714754037
>Didn't know FEAR was a fucking mystery investigation too then.
And dark souls, resident evil, etc too

>>714753718
You are way too hung up on this, anon. Why you have a vendetta to make sure people dont call INFRA a mystery/investigation game is beyond me. Nobody said it was "that hidden" or a super advanced mystery.

I dont even remember what games you wanted me to play, but I have probably played them (except Pathologic 2) and still feel that way about INFRA.

>>714753664
I think you should cross out Tunic and Rain World since their focus is on combat I would say.

>>714754037
>I prefer clarity and honesty, to pointless and absurd fanboyism
What the fuck are you talking about. It is not just me that thinks Infra fits what OP asked for. I wouldnt rank it as the first one you should play in the genre, but it is up there. If when I played that game I felt it fit that type of game, why should I need express that?

>But you would probably mock the FUCK out of anyone seriously suggesting them, right?
Anon, I dont know what to say, have you gotten mocked for suggesting those and is that why you are so mad now? If you read what I wrote >>714753242 you will understand how dumb you look now. It is weird though that you got so hung up on "INVESTIGATION MECHANIC", but will now claim Firewatch have more investagation elements than INFRA when it doesnt have any "INVESTIGATION MECHANIC" as far as I remember. I have not played Gone Home so I wouldnt say anything about it. You didnt answer about the investigation mechanic in Outer Wilds either.

>OP asked for a very specific genre of games. We should focus on answering that challenge, rather than turning the damn thread into a needless attempt to force in a game we like, but that does not fit the bill very well.
It seems like you are meeting yourself in the door here. More people think INFRA fits what OP asked for than the amount of people that dont.

>>714754416
the big problem with ESA and Tunic is that they're the definition of "it gets good after 10 hours" and it's a huge slog to play through the entire mediocre game up until you get to the part that's actually interesting

>>714754037
You type like a massive faggot

>>714754158
>I don't understand why you think it would be impossible to have a cooler story pay-off at this point.
I dont get what is up with all these anons assuming and implying shit I never typed. I just explained what I think the reason for that feeling of lackluster "ending". Are you the INFRA anon?

>>714740207 (OP)
Sorry your thread got hijacked by autistic retards OP, good luck finding games.

>>714753424
>>714753180
The issue with Obra Dinn's ending is that it really, really wanted to stay true to the tone of it's original inspiration: The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket, by Allan Poe. Which is a book with very unique and very brilliant structure, written in a way that remains satisfying while consistently escalating its mystery. It's actually the book that directly inspired all of Lovecraftian mythology, by the way, and you absolutely should read it.

This attitude of making things increasingly more mysterious is a very questionable one, however. Because it goes against the intuitive path of providing conclusion (or at least, a satisfying conclusion).
Poe did manage to pull it off, but maybe just by blind luck (a lot of people believe the book ends the way it ends because Poe was actually out of time, not because he planned to end it that way).

Obra Dinn tries to recreate that kind of experience, and I understand why, but... it's just something that is INCREDIBLY hard to pull of, and I think the ending fell victim to that.

>>714754519
>he hasn't walked the golden path

>>714754637
This. It is just one guy though. OP has gotten many suggestions at the very least

>>714754674
I dont know what that was supposed to reply to in my post

>>714754617
>If you are solving the mystery then of course there will not be the same "plot twist omg!" feeling

Then why not?

OP here, when the thread looked like it was gonna drift all the way to page 10 without any posts I didn't want to samefag bump so I went to go play INFRA. I'm surprised to see all of these recs, thanks everybody.

>>714754712
>I think you should cross out Tunic and Rain World since their focus is on combat I would say.
Tunic's entire second-half/end-game is entirely focused on searching for "hidden" cryptic meta puzzles.

>>714754721
Based, not sure if real OP or just shitpost

>>714754719
Because you will be more likely to see it coming?

>>714754802
Ah, okay, then I guess it is fair that it is there. I havent played it yet, just seen some screenshots and it seemed more like a combatfocused game.

>>714754721
Fix everything you can, even if it seems pointless or stupid.

>>714754519
>Why you have a vendetta to make sure people dont call INFRA a mystery/investigation game is beyond me.
There is no vendetta. It's a simple statement of fact.

>Nobody said it was "that hidden" or a super advanced mystery.
Actually multiple people did, several times.
You see, this is my problem. We are at a point where you effectively lie, and deny things that were clearly stated just a few minutes ago.

Why?

>>714754519
>Anon, I dont know what to say, have you gotten mocked for suggesting those and is that why you are so mad now?
I'm not mad. You people are. See
>>714754548
>You type like a massive faggot
That is you people being mad. You denying that people claim INFRA is a super deep mystery when few minutes ago, one guy claimed that "like most people I must have missed the deep mystery" while another one argued that the "ARG" which isn't an ARG is the real mystery.

I believe adults should think clearly. And you, and the other two guys, very obviously don't think clearly on this subject.

>but will now claim Firewatch have more investagation elements than INFRA when it doesnt have any
Exactly. Firewatch has exactly as much investigation mechanics as INFRA does. That is the point I was making.

>>714754227

this is one of the best things I've played this year
https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=38068

>>714754519
Also:
>I dont even remember what games you wanted me to play,
Is it really that hard to follow the link chain? But for the record: it was Pathologic 2, Return of Obra Dinn and Blade Runner.

>>714755171
I tried this for like 30 minutes and it was a truly miserable experience. I didn't find anything interesting. The best I got was some music notes that I had to hit in a specific order and I got a key I couldn't find where to use. The controls and mechanics in SMW are just awful. Maybe it's good though.

Murders on the Yangtze River
It's inspired by Ace Attorney. It's an interesting setting to me.

>>714754956
>You see, this is my problem. We are at a point where you effectively lie, and deny things that were clearly stated just a few minutes ago.
>You denying that people claim INFRA is a super deep mystery when few minutes ago
I never said it was super hidden or super advanced, I just said there was hidden stuff there and you cant argue against that so you focus on some pedantic stuff instead.

>implying "You type like a massive faggot" was typed by someone in this thread and not a random that just found the thread and wanted to ragebait you

>Firewatch has exactly as much investigation mechanics as INFRA does
You are the liar. You typed this earlier
>They have actively MORE investigation and mystery elements than INFRA does
You cant have both. At least I am consistent in what I say.

It is pretty insane that you can get this heated about a simple talk about video games.

Great thread. I've been meaning to get some proper detective games. I have nothing to contribute except this amazing jazz band: https://open.spotify.com/track/3aBIGzDlzBpYj9dPPBn9yj?si=n9Lewz8CQe2zH5UZr0fNEw

Don't skip out on the Sherlock Holmes games by Frogwares.

>>714755209
>Is it really that hard to follow the link chain?
For a guy that got butthurt about some random writing
>You type like a massive faggot
you sure act like an instigator. Like I already said, I have played Obra Dinn and not played Pathologic 2 so I dont get why you bothered to reply to that, but thanks for making it clear.

>>714755278
Agreed, it looks pretty good. The style kind of similiar to The Ace Attorney Chronicles (year and so on), but in China I guess. Havent played it yet, but it seems good

>>714753470
Rng roguelike slop without interesting narrative

>>714755403
Are all of those worth playing?

>>714755267
What game was it?

>>714755491
At the very least, play through the original The Awakened up to Crimes and Punishments.

>>714755281
>I never said it was super hidden or super advanced
Dude, just stop. Snap out of it. I don't want to be mean to you because this is a rare case of genuinely interesting thread on this board, but for fuck sake... Grow up, please.

>You are the liar. You typed this earlier
Firewatch does not have any investigation mechanics, but it has more investigation by the virtue of being semi-open, and it sure as hell has more a mystery, down to featuring a crazed killer subplot.
It's shit, for the record. The whole thing is shit. But it is closer to a investigation/mystery game than INFRA is. Not close enough to warrant a serious suggestion in light of OP's question, but that is also kinda the point here.

>You cant have both.
You can. You can have more mystery and more of an investigation element without it being mechanically formalized. But... this is really desperate.
You accuse me of being mad, when these thin and dry straws are the only things you can latch on to?

>>714755491
>Are all of those worth playing?
Different anon, but in chapter two of Crime and Punishment I feel it is too themepark-ish.

>>714755436
>you sure act like an instigator.
Let's be honest here: most people are smarter than you are, and that will make you feel threatened. Considering that you are supposed to be at least 18 here, one would assume you got used to that fact.

But feel free to cry and piss yourself because people "talk like a fag and their shit is all retarded", child. I'm sure it will work out for you well.

>>714754526
i havent tried tunic, but i didnt find ESA mediocre, other than maybe the very start where the graphics were jarring and i was still getting used it
i ended up having a lot of fun, some of these areas are sick and theres a bunch of great bosses

What about Murdered: Soul Suspect? I never played it, it looked way too cheezy and cheap for my taste, but it was a very explicitly a detective investigation game.

I remember the reception being fairly lukewarm back in the day, but how is it from a "detective" standpoint?

>>714755445
RNG is there to also be solved. I thought the narrative was pretty interesting with how deep the rabbithole went, but I agree it definitely isn't for everyone and the "roguelite" mechanic (which is more tabletop inspired desu) can turn off those who enjoy the other games in this vein.

Try Sherlock Holmes The Awakened. It's Lovecraftian shit but it did spook me once or twice at least.

>>714755638
>Firewatch does not have any investigation mechanics, but it has more investigation by the virtue of being semi-open
Nice backtracking and also dishonesty. Firewatch is linear as fuck and we both know it. You also know what I meant when I typed "you cant have both". It was refering to your comment saying two different things, but you pretend to

>Snap out of it
I think you are talking to yourself from within. I hope you calm down and have a nice day

>>714755709
>>714755630
Good themepark or boring one?

>>714755775
>most people are smarter than you are
That is very true and I have no problem with it. You are probably very smart, anon, could have fooled me

>But feel free to cry and piss yourself because people "talk like a fag and their shit is all retarded", child. I'm sure it will work out for you well
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. It wasn't me that wrote that post, but you are constantly doing the same thing by typing stuff like in >>714755775

>>714755873
Completely forgot about that game. It is on sale -90% so this might be a good chance to try it and see if it is actually worth or not. I rarely see it mentioned in the sales threads when people ask for games like INFRA, Obra Dinn and so on

>>714755873
depends which distinction you want described here
>>714751291

you're never gonna get a game that makes you use your brain from a publisher like Square Enix, but it might be ok if you just want to be told a story while you play as a detective character

>>714754859
It's me, I made it out of the dam in INFRA before I got pulled away by friends to play multishit, then did some DLsite browsing for a bit before seeing that the thread was still alive.
>>714754884
I'm trying, though I'm not sure if I missed something and can't go back for it. I need a red fuse for the lab breaker, I swear I saw a spare one but can't find it. I think it was before I went down the elevator and it broke, so I don't know if I can go back for it. Is running out of batteries something I should worry about?
>>714754227
This looks good but it's still kinda expensive for me. Gonna wishlist it.
>>714754416
I've seen this rec'd before but I was always disappointed by how nice the cover art looked vs the pixelshit in the actual gameplay. It's dirt cheap now though so I'll pick it up.
>>714754385
Wishlisted
>>714751571
I've never liked FMV games but if it's good I'll grab it, I mean it's only a dollar.

you got plenty of immersive detective/investigation games ITT
but for pure gamified deduction and mystery Cultist Simulator/Book of Hours is pretty unique, gotta pay attention though and maybe take notes or you won't get off the ground stuck grinding the starts. no hand holding or tutorial but that's the charm

>>714755965
>Firewatch is linear as fuck and we both know it.
Less than INFRA. I refer you to:
>Not close enough to warrant a serious suggestion in light of OP's question, but that is also kinda the point here.

>I think you are talking to yourself from within.
No, you are just too upset and insecure to actually read what I'm saying at this point. See above.

>I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
It's a reference to a move called Idiocracy. Specifically this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCIo4MCO-_U
To explain the exact context would probably take way too much time, but if you look up the movie synopsis yourself, I'm sure you'll understand.

>>714756184
4chan's antispam wouldn't let me post because I quoted too many times I guess.
>>714744638
Yeah the designs are a bit hard for me to get around, but I'll wishlist it.
>>714748132
>>714748208
Both look good, gonna grab.
>>714745121
I played through Primordia I can't even remember how long ago. I picked up Strangeland but didn't get very far into it. I know it's irrelevant but the insane spat between the creators involved in Primorida sort of has me wondering if I should put any money towards them.
>>714753470
I dropped Blue Prince after 10+ hours. The RNG broke me, I used Cheat Engine to at least see an ending but even then rerolling rooms to get what I actually needed probably took me another 1-2 hours. If that isn't anathema to you you'll probably love it, there were a lot more complex puzzles that I never touched. Lorelei is amazing but I was filtered pretty hard by the final sequence and I had some gripes with the story even if it is told very well. I beat Hypnospace pirated forever ago but got a bad ending I think, I guess I'll replay it. Shame the devs self destructed.

Thief and Thief 2. Wolf Among Us.

>>714756184
What do you think of INFRA so far?

>I've never liked FMV games
I had the same opinion, but Her Story isnt the typical FMV. The clips are incorporated well and most arent long and the acting is decent. I thnk you will understand if you play it. Do not buy The List though

>>714756184
>by how nice the cover art looked vs the pixelshit in the actual gameplay
if its any consolation, the game is very much the cover art in a lot of ways. its a pretty cool world for a metroid-like, ive played most of the genre and this is one of my favorites
The graphics actually felt jarring at first but they grew into me and now i think its pretty
The soundtrack definitely helps

>>714756279
The truth doesnt change just because you refuse to acknowledge that you are wrong or mistaken. You claim INFRA is super linear, but also claim that Firewatch is not as linear even though it is literally a "walk here and something happens, now walk there and something happens" type of game.

>It's a reference to a move called Idiocracy
Very cool, anon. Thanks for showing this to me. Like I said, I dont know how that is relevant to me since I didnt type the post that said you typed like a faggot

>>714756249
I've played both and I'm really looking forward to Travelling at Night. I've beaten Cultist Simulator a couple of times but I find the game really frustrating. It's a plate spinning simulator and sometimes I just get fucked by really bad luck, I'd find it a lot less grating if the Time Passes timer took twice as long to crank. Book of Hours is much better but my issue there is complete decision paralysis. After learning that how I slot skills into the Tree of Wisdom is going to affect what crafting benches I can use I completely froze up afraid to progress the tree.
>>714756338
It's cool, I wasn't expecting a voiced protag, or the introductory setup in the office building. Game looks nice for what it is, I listened to the schizoid tape recorder in the main power room of the dam so I have my first breadcrumb to the greater story I suppose. The context for using the camera to take pictures of broken things seems to have not been relevant though, all I've gotten it to trigger on is documents. I thought that first electrical box you see that has a gauge with "broken" written on it was supposed to be the first example of things to take photos of, but it didn't trigger the camera the way the documents I've found have.

>>714756279
It is nice that you just danced around this
>It was refering to your comment saying two different things
It is to obvious now anon

>>714756720
The photos effect the story and ending is what I will say.

>>714756720
I am glad you enjoy it at least. It is a great game. Try from a couple of angles if you think something is broken, but does not trigger the camera. This makes me wanna play it again lol

>>714755267
That's a shame. This game bums me out, I wish everyone would play it because for me it ticks every single box but it seems cursed. I get it, I hate how slippery SMW platforming feels and it seems like a really unattractive choice for a Riven-like game. But that's like never leaving the starting village in Outer Wilds or La Mulana. If you can get over the controls and give it a proper second chance, you'll see how deep, clever and unhinged it goes. The map is a puzzle, everything is potentially a puzzle. It's really obtuse and cryptic but so satisfying when you figure out how everything connects. It's definitely not a game you can just play casually for 30 minutes, first time I launched it and went around the map I realized I'd have to come prepared. Had to screenshot the whole map and collage it as the very first thing. Half the game time for me was spent outside the game between my IRL notepad and collaging screenshots. It's not as good as La Mulana but it's a close experience. Flaws included. It drove me mad at times.

An anon earlier talked about how ESA is not well documented, etc. This is that x100. I had to pm the dev for a hint at some point because I was stuck near the end and there were no walkthrough no hints anywhere. There are probably less than 100 people in the world who have completed it. If you love weird puzzles that ask real effort from the player it's such a joy to discover and experience a game like that blind but at the same time I really wish I got to share that with others. It has some of the coolest map/world conceptual designs I've seen in a metroidvania or that kind of puzzle game.

>>714756610
>The truth doesnt change just because you refuse to acknowledge that you are wrong or mistaken.
Are you talking to yourself now?

>but also claim that Firewatch is not as linear eve
Jesus Christ child, STOP. This is fucking embarrassing.
I could go on an explain the actual structure of Firewatch, how it features sprawling paths dotted by optional locations containing various additional clues, I could even add a few funny anecdotes about how that system is actually broken and can actively break any semblance of mood or consistency, but... what is the point of this? Why are you dragging this shit out so desperately?

You are wrong, Firewatch is a lot more open than INFRA, you would have known that if you wasted your time playing Firewatch, your entire line of reasoning is stupid, pointless grasping at straws.

I don't blame you for not playing Firewatch, I wish I hadn't but for fuck sake:
What are you doing right now? Why are you wasting your own time lying about games you haven't played in defense of completely and absolutely pointless and false "point"?

I could understand this if my point was insulting INFRA, and you were rightfully mad that I'm not being fair to the game and miserepresenting, thus misleading others.

But that is not what is happening here. I have nothing but praise for the damn game, yet somehow, I still made you absolutely MENTAL with insecurity.

How the fuck did this happen? How broken are you?

>>714757237
I'll give it a try anon, but I have a full workload with all the recs everybody has given.

>>714757286
You really took your time writing that post. I guess my response to your epic movie burn rubbed you the wrong way.

>You are wrong, Firewatch is a lot more open than INFRA, you would have known that if you wasted your time playing Firewatch
I have played both of them, that is why I dont understand how you can say that.
>how it features sprawling paths dotted by optional locations containing various additional clues,
How is that any different from the Infra?

So far you keep repeating the same stuff. All you do is say that it is and then start to insult me for no reason. You really got hung up on the "straw" thing for some reason.


I dont care if we disagree on how good a game is or if you "insult" a game, all I want is some reasons that actually back up the thing you claim. You are just insulting me and deflecting each time I make it clear I dont understand your point. You cant be "rightfully mad" about someone insulting a video game anway.

>How the fuck did this happen? How broken are you?
If someone had been given our posts I am pretty sure my post are not the ones that would be the ones considered unhinged or broken. I wish YOU could read your own post from the outside

>shit flinging infra autists keeping the thread bumped
thanks

>>714758184
>You really took your time writing that post. I guess my response to your epic movie burn rubbed you the wrong way.
What the everloving fuck are you talking about? Are you having some kind of mental episode? Do you realize how each of your posts is becoming increasingly more deranged and increasingly less related to the subject?

What has happened to you? What the fuck did I just trigger?

>I have played both of them
Why are you lying, child?

>How is that any different from the Infra?
I just explained how. The fuck is happening to you?

>So far you keep repeating the same stuff.
Yes, that is because I'm trying to get a few very, very simple facts through your broken, delusional skull.

>all I want is some reasons that actually back up the thing you claim.
I've been doing that, over and over. You even complained that I keep saying the same thing. That thing you complained that I'm repeating, is the fucking PROOF OF YOU BEING WRONG AND LITERALLY FUNDAMENTALLY MENTALLY BROKEN.

>If someone had been given our posts I am pretty sure my post are not the ones that would be the ones considered unhinged or broken.
Literally everything you are "pretty sure" about, is objectively false. Including this one.

>>714758546
>What the everloving fuck are you talking about? Are you having some kind of mental episode? Do you realize how each of your posts is becoming increasingly more deranged and increasingly less related to the subject?
The kettle, laides and gentlemen. Now you have started to call me child and type like you are someone from the 1800s.

>Why are you lying, child?
This makes no sense. I have played it, see pic rel.

>I just explained how. The fuck is happening to you?
You didnt. INFRA has the same thing with areas with extra clues you can find. How is that different is what I am asking.

>I've been doing that, over and over.
No, what you have been doing is "I am right, I am right, I am right" without saying why. I at least try to explain why I think something is right or wrong.

>Literally everything you are "pretty sure" about, is objectively false. Including this one.
Opinions can never be obectively false. You seem obsessed that what you say is the right thing, even when a) that is not the case and b) when it is a thing that can't be objectively right or wrong. I am starting to get worried that you might hurt yourself with all this anger and frustration, so maybe we should just conclude that we disagree on the matter, nothing either of us can say will sway the other and that since OP enjoyed Infra so far, that is what is important?

It is clear that people suggesting Infra in this thread were right and that Infra fit the type of game OP was looking for

>>714758305
No problem, anon, I am just using that other guy to force the thread to the frontpage. And as you probably see, it is just the other guy slinging shit

>>714740207 (OP)
Any recommendations for mystery/detective films?

>>714759129
>Now you have started to call me child and type like you are someone from the 1800s.
LOL THIS GUY NO SPEAK MEME FR FR
Sure, child. Sure thing. People talking like adults are a terrible thing to your generation.

>This makes no sense. I have played it, see pic rel.
Why are you lying then?


>You didnt. INFRA has the same thing with areas with extra clues you can find.
Why.
Are.
You.
Lying?

Can you even control this shit?

>No, what you have been doing is "I am right, I am right, I am right" without saying why.
See above.

>Opinions can never be obectively false.
You really are, like, 12? No, opinions can be objectively false. If my opinion is that the earth is flat, it's an objectively false opinion. Much like your opinion of you being the mature one here is. After all, you are literally claiming that I "talk like someone from the 1800" because I talk like a normal human. Or your claim that Firewatch is just as linear as INFRA, despite the fact that Firewatch features a sizable amount of backtracking, during which you are given multiple paths you can take.

If your claim contradicts verifiable facts, thanit is objectively false. I should not have to explain this to you, and it once again makes me wonder how fucking old are you.

>so maybe we should just conclude that we disagree on the matter,
We could conclude that, but it would be dishonest. It's not that we merely disagree. It's that you are a brain-dead cretin and objectively wrong.
A rather important distinction, for you at least, since you are the one who needs fixing.

Just picked these up in the steam sale. It's a throwback to Famicom-era mystery games, and even if they suck, it was just $5.

>>714759764
Forgot

kara no shojo 1 and 2

>>714759215
This is the most obvious of obvious, but if you haven't seen Chinatown, watch Chinatown.
If you're a reader, Agatha Christie is always classic. And Then There Was None was great. If you want to step outside of strictly detective mysteries and you want an excellent, realistic Cold War spy mystery, read Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.
>>714759764
>>714759813
That reminds me, are The Silver Case games any good?

>>714760119
>This is the most obvious of obvious, but if you haven't seen Chinatown, watch Chinatown.
>If you're a reader, Agatha Christie is always classic. And Then There Was None was great. If you want to step outside of strictly detective mysteries and you want an excellent, realistic Cold War spy mystery, read Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.

I watched Chinatown and I loved it. I mean who hasn't seen it. Don't watch the twin jakes, though. What was Jack Nicholson thinking? Agatha Christie? Yeah, I loved murder on the orient express, but never gotten around to Then there was none. The original title (10 little niggers) was just. What? Why?

And I've seen Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. I should really get around to watching the entire series.
I was thinking more along the lines of double indemnity, Le Samourai, the maltese falcon etc.

>>714760119
>The Silver Case games any good?
Its not really a game. More like a visual novel. Its a cool story but a real chore to go through. Especially the storyline with the journalist where you spend all the time in front of your computer, reading emails.

>>714759718
>Sure, child. Sure thing. People talking like adults are a terrible thing to your generation.
Normal people dont say "Child" at the end of sentences and all the other stuff like cretin and braindead and similiar stuff. Kids and retards toss out simple insults all the time. You know this right? I have tried my best to avoid insults this while debacle, but you have been throwing them out in every single post.
We are probably the same generation.

You tried to deflect again with the meme thing, but now it is too obvious. I hope this is a one time thing for you and I wish you well

>Why are you lying then?
I hope you get the help you need. You have claimed I lied about playing Firewatch, I showed you I have played it, and still you are claiming I am lying.

>No, opinions can be objectively false.
You made a decent point with the flat earth thing (though I am sure some would disagree). It should have been obvious that I meant "Opinions regarding matter that can't be measured or verified". We are not talking about something like that. We are talking about how we feel about two video games.

>during which you are given multiple paths you can take
Surface level openess or illusion of choice does not a non-linear game make

Are you now implying that INFRA does not have areas with extra clues that gives context and more lore?

I see where the problems started. You take everything literally. So when I typed "You talk like someone from the 1800s" other people would understand what I meant with your stilted style and phrases, but you took it literally. Same with the thing about opinions. I guess that is what happened earlier in the thread too.

>We could conclude that, but it would be dishonest
Why? The truth is not dishonest. We are disagreeing on that, how is that dishonest?

>>714760119
They have been shilled in sale threads, but havent seen them the last years.

If you're into point and click adventures, I'd recommend the Kathy Rain games. They're notable for having an asshole protagonist who actually suffers for it, while still being likeable. The design is quite good for point and click games, very little moon logic.

>>714760539
>>714760539
That reminded me of Root Letter for some reason. Kind of surprising that it hasnt been mentioned in this thread earlier. It has branching paths and choices and the story can get downright fucked up. Interesting game, though a VN with lots of text. Imagine the investigation part of Ace Attorney with no court action. You confront people and have to put 2 and 2 together and like I said the story changes majorly depending on answers and choices

Didn't know Infra, a game where you can pick up brown potatoes, was this controversial.

>>714760891
Dont forget the kebab that got removed

>>714760495
Well I can't vouch for these because I only watched one of them after some anon recommended the channel, but check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/@fullmoonmatinee
It's a bunch of old open-domain noir films some old fella curates.

>>714761042
Thanks! In exchange, check out internet archive. They also host tonnes of films from the late 40s to the 80's. You can watch Alfred Hitchcock's Rear Window in HD!

Pretty Disappointing that this wasn't a real movie from Home Alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWgCt5qFYI0

>>714740207 (OP)
Leaning more into the mystery/occult genre than detective/investigation, but I highly recommend Paranormasight.

>>714760651
>Normal people dont say "Child" at the end of sentences
They do when they deal with children.

>all the other stuff like cretin and braindead and similiar stuff
I've been calm, polite and helpful for the majority of this exchange. But when you are dealing with an actual idiot, your patience will be worn down eventually.
I know you are always on the other side of this problem, so you don't quite appreciate how frustrating and tiresome it is to deal with cretins, but you should have at least noticed how frustrated your parents are with you most of the time. And they are your parents, they have an actual reason to hold back.

>You tried to deflect again with the meme thing,
Deflect what? Your complaint that I talk like an adult? I'm not deflecting, I'm making fun of you for being a social-media raised underage cretin that lost any connection to how ACTUAL PEOPLE TALK.
Because that is worth ridiculing.

>I hope you get the help you need.
... does the word "denial" mean anything to you?

>You have claimed I lied about playing Firewatch
You continue to lie about it even now.

>"Opinions regarding matter that can't be measured or verified".
OK, I'll stop making fun of you for a while. For future reference, those are called "judgements". Opinion is any belief you might hold. Judgements are value-based opinions, and as such, they are normative, not objective - they can't be verified, but can be justified either by reference to a value consensus, or logically coherent reasoning.

We are however, talking about non-normative opinions here. Whenever there is more backtracking and more available paths to follow in Firewatch than INFRA is not a value-based statement, it is one that can be objectively verified.

You get to backtrack across the map several times in Firewatch, which features number of different paths and clues to discover. There is nothing like that in INFRA. Those are facts. Plain and simple.

OP if you're still around and taking recommendations then I've got two.
Blood on the Thames for FMV lovers.
Midnight Crimes for point and click.
Both solid investigation games with good logic and great presentation.

>>714760651
>Surface level openess or illusion of choice does not a non-linear game make
Actually, it absolutely does. Non-linearity is not a factor of QUALITY of the experience, merely of its structure. See the distinction between objective concerns and judgments. Being non-linear is not a matter of judgement. You can have a non linear game where all of the options are exactly equally pointless and not worth exploring (see most Bethesda or Ubisoft games), but that does not change the fact that there is an open structure to the experience. In degrees, of course. Firewatch is more open than INFRA, but less than Skyrim.
I'm now explaining incredibly basic shit, by the way, because I really do not trust any aspect of your critical thinking.

>Are you now implying that INFRA does not have areas with extra clues that gives context and more lore?
I'm implying that you have no actual choice in coming across them. It's entirely linear.

>You take everything literally.
Child, I know this is going to be a hard pill to swallow, but people can't read your retarded and broken mind. I work with what you say. Not with what your broken brain thinks you are saying. Get used to that.

What was his fucking problem?

>>714761337
Looks cool, I'll wishlist.
>>714761498
I hate card/deck mechanics creeping into absolutely everything, but I'll wishlist the other one.

>>714761337
>square enix

>>714740207 (OP)
Scooby-Doo Night of 100 Frights

>>714761823
Dw about that. You wouldn't be able to tell playing it.

>>714761337
Seconding this. It offers more than you would think from a VN. First time I have experienced a VN where you can actually dodge the bad ends if you use your head. It has a great mystery too and interesting mechanics

>>714761372
It seems you have learned how to talk to other people through popular media, or maybe it is a cultural thing that doesn't make sense in English.

>I've been calm, polite and helpful for the majority of this exchange
Now you are not even trying to hide it, anon. You have been nothing of the sorts. If you can stomach it, I suggest you go back and read a couple of your own post. You started out hostile and angry and have just gotten even worse through out.

>you should have at least noticed how frustrated your parents are with you most of the time. And they are your parents, they have an actual reason to hold back
I see we got some childhood trauma projection finally. Please note again that I have written very little about you as a person or the reason you act out like you do. There are multiple reasons that come to mind as to why you act like this, but I have refused to say anything.

>You continue to lie about it even now.
This is pretty special.

>There is nothing like that in INFRA. Those are facts. Plain and simple.
Now you changed it up and made it very spesific because you realized I was right. Again, you are now choosing to be hyperliteral. What I typed in the post you replied to was this:
>Are you now implying that INFRA does not have areas with extra clues that gives context and more lore?
Then you changed it into something about backtracking, as if backtracking in a walking sim makes it less linear. My point was this: Infra has hidden story that you won't find if you don't look, and you might go through the game without knowing anything about it. In Firewatch everything is explained, it doesn't matter if you find any clues. You claimed that Firewatch was more investagative than Infra, which makes no sense.

>>714760891
INFRA is a very comfy urbex thing that is paired with an awful "photograph at least 50% asscracks in this chapter" collectathon hidden condition that will lock you into a bad ending regardless of your other choices. It doesn't matter if you're running through a tunnel with rocks falling on your head or trying to save the region by going balls deep into an NPP by yourself. You can literally irradiate the fucking town by messing up the repairs and still be better off because it only matters if some public official has to be called out for the cracks. Fucking Finns. I'm still mad.

>>714761582
>I'm implying that you have no actual choice in coming across them. It's entirely linear.
You are dishonest

It is like you have read some kind of book about how to attempt to force people to agree with you out of sheer exhaustian or by attempting to make them sad or gaslight them or something like that. You should bookmark this thread and in a week reread our posts. Sadly, I do think you lack the self-awerness need for any type of meaningful reflection. Which is weird since you clearly enjoy games that forces you to think.

I hope your life gets easier in whatever situation you are in right now that makes you this bitter and hostile. Again, I have not insulted directly (but you will probably claim I have done so in-directly by being a complete retard or something) as far as I know, even if you have been acting like a literal autist redditor this whole time.

>>714762257
Is slowly dying of radiation poisoning REALLY better off than getting your head chopped off by the machine?
Then again, you have to really fuck up to get the Mark in Finland ending. I only got it on my lowest percent run to get that achievement

>>714759893
this
reiji is a bit of a retard but the mysteries are really fun to unravel

>>714762105
>It seems you have learned how to talk to other people through popular media
Are you familiar with the concept of "mirroring" in relation to mental health?

>Now you are not even trying to hide it, anon.
Lying again, child. You really need to break that habit. It's going to go REALLY poorly for you once you reach the point where people stop excusing your behavior with your age.

>I see we got some childhood trauma projection finally.
You see a LOT of things that don't exist, don't you? That is kinda the fucking problem here. Your relationship with reality is... well, it isn't.

>This is pretty special.
It actually seems that lying is absolutely the default state for your. I don't see how that would be special.

>Now you changed it up and made it very spesific because you realized I was right.
I haven't changed anything, and you were always wrong. You are just now desperately trying to backpeddal.

>Then you changed it into something about backtracking,
You really are just braindead, aren't you? Backtracking with multiple paths to chose and multiple optional locations tied to your CHOICE OF PATH is what makes Firewatch comparatively very open in this context. It's not a hard concept to understand, but you are very, very, VERY stupid. If you have a space you move through EXCLUSIVELY IN ONE DIRECTION and along ONE PATH, it's more linear than when you have a space you criss-cross back and forth through multiple paths.

Like most of the things I'm explaining, this is genuinely something even a child would grasp, and yet you fail.
Fascinating.

>You claimed that Firewatch was more investagative than Infra, which makes no sense.
Yes, because you are actually given an option to CHOSE AND PERSUE certain leads on your volition. While this is not mechanically supported, in favor of a terrible story, and has little ultimate impact, it is considerably more than what INFRA does, by virtue of leaving this up to your own agency.

This is basic fucking shit.

>>714761790
>hate card/deck mechanics creeping into absolutely everything, but I'll wishlist the other one.
That's fair, but the game is good in spite of that.
If you like spooky mystery games then I'd also suggest The Sinking City. Yes it is based around Lovecraft stuff but its a good detective game first and foremost. Especially if you can forgive the jank.

>>714740207 (OP)
I'm a big fan of Strange Horticulture. It's getting a sequel soon.

>>714740207 (OP)
Try post mortem

>>714762327
>You are dishonest
Again, you are mirroring.

>It is like you have read some kind of book about how to attempt to force people to agree with you out of sheer exhaustian
This is only exhausting to you because you are very stupid and trying to argue a point you can't win, because A) it is objectively a false point and B) you are entirely mentally inadequate for this kind of conversation.

>Sadly, I do think you lack the self-awerness need for any type of meaningful reflection.
I really wish you'd ever consider applying your own advice to yourself, child. Jesus I feel sorry for your family.

>I hope your life gets easier in whatever situation you are in right now that makes you this bitter and hostile.
The only thing that is making me bitter and hostile is your immesurable, narcissistic stupidity. Your compulsive need to lie. Your absurd strawgasping, and the utter riddiculousness of this whole exchange, which stems from the fact that you became incredibly insecure and retarded because I did not criticize your favorite game, but I did not validate it ENOUGH for your insecurity to not kick in.

You are a broken, insufferable, incredibly stupid and shit human being. It does become frustrating, and people WILL start to treat you with lack of any respect for it. You may be a minor now, and people may let you get away with it for a few more years, but once that excuse will be gone, you will have to learn to deal with this attitude EVERY TIME YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH IN PUBLIC.

So you better start getting used to it, or start fixing yourself.

>>714762531
Isn't that the one with the absolutely impossible to believe are vaguely human Innsmouthers? I thought that was pretty funny. The first one that appears in the game is so monstrous that there's no way he would have avoided being lynched as a monster. Also didn't that game get pulled for a long time because of some publisher problem? Either way I'll try it eventually.
>>714762659
Yeah that's cheap I'll grab it.

Well I'm gonna go to bed everybody, thanks for all of the recs. Don't know if it's anyone else's cup of tea but all this time I've been rendering english subtitles to the monstergirl ero-audio I found on DLsite earlier. Enjoy: https://files.catbox.moe/51h1x0.7z

>>714762452
I'm not the guy you're arguing with, but there's definitely stuff in Infra that isn't on the linear path and that people easily can and do miss
off the top of my head
For example, there's the first power plant's optional repair that if you don't do it, locks you out of the cool half of the bunker
You can skip the entirety of that first water treatment plant by going through tunnel b2 (which in and of itself is something people miss)
You can absolutely miss using the phone at the steel mill office to call the raft's owners, losing the opportunity to drink the tea and get taken to another area later
Walter's office is definitely out of the way and requires parkour to get to, and that is a pretty big lore drop
as I stated before, the bunker, that even if you did everything right you might accidentally just skip the other half because you found the way out first
Turnip Hill has that hidden attic, the gambling suite, and the secret ticket "out"
And of course, the secret ending at the power plant
It's been years since I've played it but I know there's more shit that is off the beaten path, especially in the city map
Oh yeah, the UGU is definitely out of the way, you have to crawl under a fence to get to it

>>714762452
Are you typing all this from inside an asylum? You focus alot on state of mind and psychology and such. Did you forget to take your meds? It is important, the doctors have told you so many times. The big words are very convincing. Maybe you will get a good lunch today.

>Yes, because you are actually given an option to CHOSE AND PERSUE certain leads on your volition
You are literally given that in Infra too.

>Firewatch comparatively very open in this context
Bzzz, comparatively, bzzz. A nice word to use when you have a feeling you are wrong, but want to plant deniability if called out on.

I hope you have gotten all the mean words out of your system and that the people you will meet today will be treated more nicely. Before I leave you alone to your rantings, could you say how old you are? You were so focused on that earlier. Where are you from btw?

>>714762685
>This is only exhausting to you because you are very stupid and trying to argue a point you can't win, because A) it is objectively a false point and B) you are entirely mentally inadequate for this kind of conversation.
Damn, you got me. But I guess I got you too since you now started to type like me

>your immesurable, narcissistic stupidity
Classic. I am not the one using big words, I am not the one insulting for no reason, I am not the one that believe I am right all the time and can never be wrong or admit to being wrong. I have not lied as far as I know. You should take your own advice, anon.

>You see a LOT of things that don't exist, don't you?
Childhood trauma projection exists, anon.

>>714763040
You should have just left the thread, anon, or ignored him. Now you will be insulted and called a liar and so on. This all started with him claiming there weren't "hidden" stuff in INFRA and that it was linear. I think he got offended by the implication that he didn't manage to find the secrets and lashed out, but that is just a theory.

>>714762868
>Isn't that the one with the absolutely impossible to believe are vaguely human Innsmouthers?
Yes, it got a remaster so its up for purchase again.
The sequel is going straight survival horror though.

Also the Innsmouthers were my favourite part of the game. They outright admit being monster fuckers and the MC is caught offguard the first time he meets one.
I let all of them I could die.
Humans first, even the literal ape-man, is more deserving of life than fish rape cultists.

>>714740207 (OP)
Discworld Noir, my nigga.

>>714749007
it's not bad but comics are so much better

>>714763371
>>714749007
Why is it called Blacksad? How much furry bait is it?

>>714740207 (OP)
Play Black Mirror trilogy

>>714763470
it's all furry since there are no humans around. how much depends on you. there are female characters. is that a line too far?

>>714763625
This is very close to the line at least

>>714763234
>You focus alot on state of mind and psychology and such.
I'm dealing with a mentally ill person. That is why I focus on the subject of mental health a lot. I know, this is a LOT of you to process. Give it some time. Think on it while you go to sleep. You may make the connection eventually.

>A nice word to use when you have a feeling you are wrong,
Yes. In a discussion where we are COMPARING TWO GAMES, the word "comparatively" makes you shocked and surprised.

I actually did the whole
>Firewatch is more open than INFRA, but less than Skyrim.
>I'm now explaining incredibly basic shit, by the way, because I really do not trust any aspect of your critical thinking.
and you IMMEDIATELY fuck it up. I can't make this shit up.
How. FUCKING. STUPID. ARE YOU?
This is inhumane stupidity. Yeah. This is exactly why my thoughts turn to issues of mental health a lot, you fucking cretin.

You literally can't comprehend why a discussion that started with "Firewatch has comparatively more investigation than INFRA would lead towards COMPARING THE AMOUNT OF INVESTIGATION YOU DO IN THOSE TWO GAMES.

God have mercy on your soul, you absolute clown.

>But I guess I got you too since you now started to type like me
I'm going to stop with the mockery for a bit again.
You are genuinely delusional. This is very bad, child. In fact it is straight up horrifying.

>>714763040
I'm going to be brief. Everything you stated starts and ends with "you can miss things". That really is all that is needed to say here.
And by the way, for clarity and once more: there is absolutely nothing wrong with how INFRA does things. But there isn't any active investigation. Just at best a perception check.

>>714740207 (OP)
>I have two personalities. Nicest Person you'll ever meet. And....Twisted Fucking Psychopath.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb_BEWGHFuM

>>714763821
It is okay, anon. I just feel bad for you, I am not angry at you or anything like that. Why dont you tell me how old you are?
I am 33 for reference

>comparatively
It is okay, anon, it is not fun to get caught using sneaky tactics to be able to never admit you were wrong in anything ever. It was not just comparatively of course, and I even explained what I meant, but you had to take it literal as usual

>Firewatch has comparatively more investigation than INFRA would lead towards COMPARING THE AMOUNT OF INVESTIGATION YOU DO IN THOSE TWO GAMES
Funny how you keep changing it back and forth. Neither has a designated "investigation mechanic" that you cared alot about early. Both games involve walking and exploring with the chance of finding secrets or hints or whatever. Firewatch is even less interactive than INFRA because INFRA allows you to mess with and fix some machines (in ways that are not just explained openly) that opens alternative routes or fixes a problem for the city. You are not prompted to do that, you can just walk past most things. From what I remember in Firewatch, you do what you are told and your interactions are limited to pressing the interact button. Firewatch does not have any puzzles that allows for deductive thinking, unlike Infra. This is the problem with your argument, and now others have pointed it out to you too and you still refuse to acknowledge it.

>But there isn't any active investigation. Just at best a perception check.
And how is that different Firewatch? Even if you talk a big game about backtracking and branching paths.
The only reason he kept it brief was because he didn't me to be right about insults.

No one is better than me at locating obscure detective games.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3758950/Death_at_Fleming_Manor/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2797960/Confidential_Killings/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1989370/PsychoDive/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2174430/Welcome_to_Lightford/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3211980/Embers_Of_Spiritflame/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3077760/An_Exercise_in_Mortality__Chapter_I/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1281250/Lammana_The_Looe_Island_Mystery/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2983660/The_Jokers_Game/

>>714764396
>I just feel bad for you
Mirroring again.

>I am 33 for reference
This is the first time in your discussion I actually HOPE you are lying again. I mean you have been lying about most things, so hopefully this is just par for the course for you.

If this is how a human being act at the age of 33... well I hope you are at least in some care center.

>It is okay, anon, it is not fun to get caught using sneaky tactics to be able to never admit you were wrong in anything ever.
Child, fucking stop. At least don't drive MORE ATTENTION to your failure. Do it for yourself, for fuck sake. Do you seriously have no dignity what so ever?

>Funny how you keep changing it back and forth.
I'm getting tired of this shit, so...
FUCKING CITE THE LINE IN WHICH I ALLEGEDLY CONTRADICTED MYSELF, you lying bitch.

Fucking prove that I contradicted myself.

>>714764396
>Firewatch is even less interactive than INFRA because INFRA allows you to mess with and fix some machines
Absolutely irrelevant to this discussion. Pro-tip: we were talking about the process of investigation. Try again, you piece of shit.

>And how is that different Firewatch?
Because one requires player agency, a decision making, the other does not. In once case you CHOSE to do something, in the other you merely fail to do what was always the only thing you can do.

Then again, child. Do you even know what the word "agency" means? I mean you clearly don't actually have that, so maybe I'm expecting something UTTERLY incomprehensible to you.

>>714764787
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2372930/Shadow_of_Murders/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1822760/Bleu/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3527730/Retirement_Holmes/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1845980/Noir_Storm/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2982950/Detective_Hindsight/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1794270/Homeless/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3623630/Code_9/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3817240/Heaven_Does_Not_Respond/

Anyone else too dumb for investigation type games?
Just genuinely a moron who cant even hold a plot thread in their mind let alone theorize

>>714765003
It's just a matter of slowing down and taking notes, Anon. You can do it if you try.

>>714764964

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3339280/From_Basement_with_Love/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1538840/Dissension/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2509440/Nightborn/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3756940/The_Ratline/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1595390/Castle_Dornstein/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1841190/Casebook_1899__The_Leipzig_Murders/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3339630/Peagrove_Noir/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3515630/BABELOMANIA/

Also, only one mention of Lorelei and the Laser Eyes? It's one of the best mystery games I've ever played.

>>714765195
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2852970/Hateful_Days/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3586150/Case_42_The_Redwood_Files/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3568740/THE_FATUM/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3405180/_Killing_Tragedy_Samsara/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3151680/The_Brilliant_Detective_Milo/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3427260/Get_Out_Of_The_Woods/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3641000/The_Incident_at_Galley_House/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3355070/Ambroise_Niflette__the_Gleaned_Bell/

>>714765213
but is it mystery theme park ride like outer wilds or mystery deduce 'em up like obra dinn....?

for the record no i havent played them but they are mystery games and no one has posted them implying this is a shill thread for desperate devs

>>714765373
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2139410/Chrono_Crimes/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3464670/Dead_Watch/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3622370/Trick_Eight/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3771920/Whispers_of_Kelsden/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3752080/Mr_Ashfishs_Distant_Rehab/

(to be fair, Mr. Ashfish is still russian-only)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3510930/Deep_In_Hell/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3184990/Cthulhu_Detective/

(and Cthulu Detective is Chinese only but they'll all get english translations don't worry)

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3443640/Detective_Araka/

And the guy above is right. I am a desperate game developer. every single game I have posted is mine. I made them all. I'm brilliant at game dev because I can make 30 or so a year but terrible at marketing. damn you guys are good detectives. how did you know?

>>714764868
Come on, anon, you were so focused about age earlier, but now you don't want to say how old you are despite me telling you? That makes it seem like you are alot younger than me and the actual child here, but I could be wrong. Just tell us how old you are, come on.

>Absolutely irrelevant to this discussion. Pro-tip: we were talking about the process of investigation
It is incredible that you consider a game which have puzzles or hides information/lore behind deduction less investigative than a game without anything like that. Firewatch is a pure walking sim, you don't have to think to get the story. It is told to you, everything, no matter what you do in-game. I don't think Firewatch is a bad game because of that. You even said it here
>Because one requires player agency, a decision making
You choose to interact with the machines or rooms or whatever and try to solve it. In Firewatch it might feel like you are choosing, but it doesn't matter what you choose. You will get the same story and information regardless. In Infra you will miss out on stuff unless you interact with things and choose to do the puzzles. You can choose to just walk through places, like >>714763040 said. How is that for a contradiction? See now how you make no sense? I know you will ignore this of course.

>FUCKING CITE THE LINE IN WHICH I ALLEGEDLY CONTRADICTED MYSELF, you lying bitch.
>Fucking prove that I contradicted myself.
If this was Ace Attorney, it would have been the point of the case where the witness or suspect is noticing the noose is tightning. Hilarious reaction, you can be funny too sometimes. If you actually read my posts, you will see that I attempt to point out your contradictions, but you just ignore or cant see it because you are so angry you see red.

>>714765003
>>714765104
This. The biggest problem is getting impatient. Which can happen in these of games

>>714764964
>>714764787
Gonna check out all of these. Are they only obscure or actually good?

>>714765809
They are all unreleased. So their quality is as-of-yet-unknown. Some do have demos though.

>>714765759

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3278620/Nothing_is_Known__the_innocents/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1502910/The_Nightmare_Begins/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2360890/Tales_from_Centropolis/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3189320/Ophelia/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/650120/Shots_Fired/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3191370/Summer_Snow_Day/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3322730/Nocturnal_Visitors_Book_One/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3432860/PsychoSleuth/

>>714765809
>but now you don't want to say how old you are despite me telling you?
You have lied about everything so far. Excuse me if I don't believe you. And again, I am trying to be charitable. If you behave like this at the age of 33, you genuinely are a burden of the state, you should not be allowed to walk around unsupervised.

So I'm going to chose to believe you lie, child. It's a lot less depressing that way.

>less investigative than a game without anything like that.
It's incredible that I do not consider mechanics utterly UNRELATED to the subject of investigation irrelevant to the subject of investigation?

I'm tired, man. I'm genuinely tired of your retardation. Where the fuck is your wrangler?

>You choose to interact with the machines or rooms or whatever and try to solve it.
You chose to play. That is LITERALLY THE ONLY CHOICE YOU ARE MAKING.
Yeah. The concept of agency really is a mystery to you. Fitting for an obsessive-compulsive liar.

>If this was Ace Attorney, it would have been the point of the case where the witness or suspect is noticing the noose is tightning.
You failed to provide the evidence, because you do not have any.
It's really simple child. You lied. Again. And whenever you want to admit it or not, you admired that you lied.

I accept your concession, but I do regret your mother chose not to abort you. And I'm confident she feels the same.

>>714765881
Ahh, I thought they might be all released, but had gone under the radar.

>>714764868
Imagine this please: You have a game in which you are a detective trying to solve a murder case in a mansion. You walk around, collect clues and talk to the people in the mansion. Very simple gameplay, no puzzles. There are two versions of this game with one difference, and this is the only difference, and that is the ending.
In the first version after you have collected everything and talked to everybody in the mansion the game ends and tells you who murdered the victim, how, when, why and so on.
In the other version when you have collected all the evidence and talked to the people in the mansion, you have to confront who you think murdered the victim. You have to use statements and evidence to prove who, why, when, how and so on. You can confront the wrong person and then the game ends and you never know who actually did it. If you confront the right person you get the true ending.
The only thing about these versions is the ending part. Which one of these versions is more investigative?

>>714766093
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3148060/Penelope_Pendrick_and_the_Art_of_Deceit/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3722170/FoldLoop/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3324260/Shepherds_Plan/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3521490/Mystery_of_the_Malign/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3637770/Hate_You/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3705940/At_Sixes_and_Sevens/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3528280/Crime_Detective_Red_Flags/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3637610/Cross_Country_Case/

>>714764787
>>714764964
>>714765195
>>714765373
>>714765759
>>714766093
>>714766378
Are you the same schizo that spams dogshit Danganronpa knock offs every time someone makes a thread about it?
All of these games without fail look like complete trash and if there is a single good game there, you've buried it by placing it next to complete dogshit.

>>714766520
I don't know, am I? How many Danganropa knock offs did I post?

>>714766158
So you are something like 18 then, or possibly younger? Kids seem to care very much about being seen as younger/childish

And all this talk about lying when this has just been a matter of opinion too. What a weird thing to say.

>t's incredible that I do not consider mechanics utterly UNRELATED to the subject of investigation irrelevant to the subject of investigation?
Are you now claiming that the history/lore of the actual mystery is the most important for an investigative game, not how the game allows you to actually investigate? Then you might as well just watch a good mystery movie then since the gameplay have no impact all of a sudden.

>The concept of agency really is a mystery to you
Am I the only one reading this? Define agency for us, if you don't mind

>You chose to play. That is LITERALLY THE ONLY CHOICE YOU ARE MAKING.
No, you also choose wether you want to try to fix the machines and maybe get into a room or some other place. In Firewatch you are told what to do. No impact on the story or amount of story you are getting. In Infra you have to actually think when solving some of the harder puzzles to learn everything and actually uncover something. In Firewatch you are handed everything after walking around.

>You failed to provide the evidence, because you do not have any
I just showed you in text how you said something that contradicted what you said earlier

>And whenever you want to admit it or not, you admired that you lied.
I admired what? And what is this talk about concession?

>>714765421
I suppose it's mostly a puzzle game, but there is an overarching mystery, and you do have to manually type in the solution during the ending sequence. So you do have to pay attention to the story and figure out what actually happened.

>>714766586
I meant the style of posting. Which is where you grab a handful of dung and throw it onto your post and spam it multiple times even when you know every game there is shit and a waste of everyone's time.
If you aren't the same person, you're disturbingly similar in that you both post a list of complete shit you pulled from steam as some form of ritual.

>>714766970
NTA, but they are quite different since the poster from archive uses meme arrows and no space and has small titles above each group

>>714766970

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2611140/Memory_Rewind/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2622180/Detective_Fantasia_EXCALIMURDER/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2323200/Uberich_Advent_Sinners/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2482920/Flower_in_Us/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/650120/Shots_Fired/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2094740/Dead_Heat/

https://www.coldandafraid.com/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1777200/Connected_Clue

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1985290/Reality_Layer_Zero/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3487380/Outlawyer/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2349570/onewayexe/

>>714767031
I was just surprised that there are two mentally ill schizos who have the exact same pattern.

>>714766862
>So you are something like 18 then, or possibly younger?
Yes. Repeat the exact same thing I've said, because... it hurt you when I said it, so that automatically means it's going to work the other way around, right?

This is actually what I mean by mirroring, by the way.

>Are you now claiming that the history/lore of the actual mystery is the most important for an investigative game
That is literally not even REMOTELY close to anything I've said so far, but it is entirely in line with your deranged, lying insanity.

WHERE IS YOUR WRANGLER?

>Define agency for us, if you don't mind
No.
I'm not going to waste time doing that.

You have lied about everything, you have literally failed to understand why when comparing two games, COMPARATIVE ANGLE would be relevant, you failed to understand how a fucking pipe puzzle does not relate to the subject of investigation, you were even caught lying red-handed.

I'm done with your absolute retardation. You cannot be trusted, in any way. Not a single thing you said is true or even relevant so far.

Go and fucking save this conversation. Give it a few days. Then read it again. For the love of god. Get. Some. Fucking. Help.

Not for your own sake. You really SHOULD die or spend the rest of your existence in absolute misery. But for the sake of those around you who have to suffer the burden of your existence: get fixed.

>>714767202
he just told you the pattern was different

>>714767314
No as in
>enter detective game thread
>shit out garbage endlessly

>>714767352
>if I cherrypick whatever facts I want, then the pattern is the same

not sure detective games are for you

>>714767398
Listen anon I can't stop you from spamming shit you've never played, and have never actually looked at into all of these threads. You don't have to get defensive that I called you mentally ill for doing it. I won't ever be able to hurt you.

>>714740207 (OP)
Defender of Boston is probably one of most mysterious dos game I've ever played

reminder Whore of the Orient never ever

I don't like Danganropa very much, I haven't beaten a single game in that series, but, I suppose, if it makes people mad, then I can start posting some. There was that kumanahahah game, one second.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2759280/Kumitantei_OldSchool_Slaughter/

yeah that one

and this one:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1570020/Worlds_End_Club/

>>714749007
looks ok but the steam reviews are full of gamebreaking optimization issues, is it even playable with some fan mod fix?

>>714766356
>Imagine this please
i fail to see the point of this exercise. It's not really relevant to anything that has been... let's be charitable and call it a "debated" so far.

As to your question: the latter example has more of investigation, because it's actually mechanically underpinned.

But the previous discussion was about two games that have ZERO mechanical underpinning to their investigation. They differ in structure in which you can gather clues, but they are the same in that the uncovering of the clues isn't itself reflected in any way.
In Firewatch you have only one ending, in INFRA your ending is determined by how many items of damaged infrastructure you collected.

So again, I'm confused by this though experiment. Obviously, if there was a game where the act of finding a clue triggers a response that has considerable impact on the proceedings, that obviously does make it a more investigative game.

But neither INFRA nor Firewatch do that. Which is my very original point: that neither of them really fit OP's request. INFRA is good and people should play it anyway, but... it's not really relevant to what OP was asking.

That is all there was to this discussion.

>>714767483
>have never actually looked at into all of these

hmm maybe you should into at some looking these threads after perhaps?

>>714766520
>All of these games without fail look like complete trash and if there is a single good game there

You're contradicting yourself. You either looked at them all or you didn't. Which one is it?

>>714767202
How many of them do you think there are on this site? In this thread alone there is at least two as you will see below your post

>>714767235
What. I am just asking. You seem insecure since you wont say how old you are.

>That is literally not even REMOTELY close to anything I've said so far
What did you mean then? Because you said this
>It's incredible that I do not consider mechanics utterly UNRELATED to the subject of investigation irrelevant to the subject of investigation
one post ago. How is that not supposed to mean the story is more important than the things you do? I even asked it as a question in my previous post because I wanted some clarity, but you think every comment is a personal attack and you also realize that if you clarify then it would prove my point.

>I'm not going to waste time doing that.
Ahh, there we have it. You claim you don't want to waste your time on something that will be productive to our discussion (since it will lead to us having the same understanding when agency is used), but you write all the other bullshit which you apperently don't mind wasting time on. I think you don't want to define it because it will dismantle your argument.

>Go and fucking save this conversation. Give it a few days. Then read it again.
Hey, now you are copying me!

>>714767808
Anon, it was me that made that post. Infra is closer to version 2 of that game, Firewatch is closer to version 1. Check mate.

Also kind of funny that you type
>more of investigation, because it's actually mechanically underpinned
but still claim Firewatch is more investigative than Infra.

>>714763470
It's a sad, black cat. Really, there's not much to delve into there. The art and atmosphere is phenomenal, still.

I like the figuring things out part of detective games but hate the digging through trash/pixel hunting part

>>714766520
are you the guy who defecates in a bucket and dumps it on his own head? you sound a lot like him. check out this screencap from the archive I found that is totally proof:

Now to something on-topic. Daemon Masquerade seems like something that is fitting in this thread

>>714768217
The best ones does not have pixel hunting. Looking through the trash though, that is a staple of the genre.

>>714768219
Kek

I'm thinking about English mystery visual novels!

Recent mystery English VNs on Steam over the past few years:
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1249260/Birth_ME_Code/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1228600/Blankspace/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1568920/Clean_Slate/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1414250/CORPSE_FACTORY/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1728290/Decide_4_God/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1820720/The_Divine_Deception/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2011310/Entropic_Float_This_World_Will_Decay_And_Disappear/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2058090/The_Game_of_Fourtune/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1338940/Head_AS_Code/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2801620/Look_Inside/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1271300/Methods_The_Detective_Competition/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1940040/The_Price_Of_Flesh
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1020030/Quantum_Suicide/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2621950/Reaplaced/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1725910/Shards_of_Chaos/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2560870/The_Specters_Desire/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2091580/SYNESTHESIA/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1513120/The_Zodiac_Trial/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1590230/Tyrion_Cuthbert_Attorney_of_the_Arcane/

Upcoming mystery English VNs on Steam:
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2551380/Beyond_R_Rule_Ripper/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3790060/Bound_Between_Desks/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1349820/The_Lost_Delinquents_of_Rollings_High/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1287170/Thiefs_Roulette/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1929350/Ubel/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2385550/Underground22/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3211810/Whispering_Memories/

lmao

>>714767817
>>714768109
>>714768219
I already told you to stop being so defensive. Your list is full of trash and you know it's full of trash. You post it because you have some odd obsession with it.
Again, I can "maybe" damage your pride on this board (or atleast it seems I have somehow), but I can never actually hurt you in real life, so you don't have to get defensive when someone mentions how schizo it is to spam 50+ games that you've never touched or seen past the store page.

>>714768176
>Anon, it was me that made that post
Why are you wasting our time, you absolute mongoloid.

>Infra is closer to version 2 of that game, Firewatch is closer to version 1. Check mate.
Nothing can sum up what a braindead, worthless piece of shit you are better than you yourself. This is why I'm not wasting more time on your shit.

You completely 100% discredit yourself, I'm not needed here for you to be completely humiliated.

Oh yeah, there's also an upcoming Poirot game: Death on the Nile.

I blame the state of this thread on Lucas Pope. He made Obra Dinn then left us high and dry.

>games with good detective stories have bad gameplay
>games with bad detective stories have good gameplay

>>714768556
It is surely a joy to see you go from those long posts to this tepid response. I have no grudge against you, even after all those nasty words

>>714768814
>bad gameplay
*no gameplay

>>714768814
Name two examples, one of each please

>>714768906
Sudoku and Picross

>>714768967
Which one of those have a good detective story?

>>714768446
maybe you'll like it better if I post them one by one instead of in a list. after all. one game can't count as a list. how can you hate lists, if there is no list?

let's go:

>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1249260/Birth_ME_Code/

>>714768983
Picross because pictures tell a thousand-island dressing word salad

>>714769054
But the gameplay is bad?

>>714765003
if you keep on playing them and actively engage with the mystery you'll start being able to solve shit in due time

How is nobody wants to die?

>>714769120
Yeah it sucks. Only black and white while sudoku goes from 1 to 9.

>>714756720
If it's possible for you to get fucked by luck in Cultist Simulator it means you still haven't quite mastered it. Despite it presenting itself as a sort of roguelite, there is genuinely nothing it can do to harm you once you understand all the rules and how to efficiently deal with anything that happens.
Also they fixed the issue with the tree of wisdom and decision paralysis with a patch in Book of Hours eventually. I forget the specific mechanics, but basically there is a way to craft special versions of the upgrades so you can never lock yourself out of anything, at worse it just makes it slightly more annoying to do specific upgrades with certain benches.

>>714768851
>I have no grudge against you, even after all those nasty words
Why the fuck would you have a grudge against me, child? It's entirely all on you. You should be buying a rope by now.

>>714764787
Joker's Game was actually a really fun demo for an FMV game. your gf is pretty darn hot

>>714740207 (OP)
I played a bit of Strange Horticulture with my mom. We weren't big fans. Maybe we sucked at identifying plants though haha
Here's a bunch of mystery VNs if you enjoy that sort of thing:

Recent mystery English VNs on Steam over the past few years:
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1249260/Birth_ME_Code/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1228600/Blankspace/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1568920/Clean_Slate/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1414250/CORPSE_FACTORY/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1728290/Decide_4_God/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1820720/The_Divine_Deception/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2011310/Entropic_Float_This_World_Will_Decay_And_Disappear/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2058090/The_Game_of_Fourtune/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1338940/Head_AS_Code/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2801620/Look_Inside/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1271300/Methods_The_Detective_Competition/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1940040/The_Price_Of_Flesh
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1020030/Quantum_Suicide/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2621950/Reaplaced/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1725910/Shards_of_Chaos/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2560870/The_Specters_Desire/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2091580/SYNESTHESIA/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1513120/The_Zodiac_Trial/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1590230/Tyrion_Cuthbert_Attorney_of_the_Arcane/

Upcoming mystery English VNs on Steam:
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2551380/Beyond_R_Rule_Ripper/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3790060/Bound_Between_Desks/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1349820/The_Lost_Delinquents_of_Rollings_High/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1287170/Thiefs_Roulette/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1929350/Ubel/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/2385550/Underground22/
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3211810/Whispering_Memories/

>>714769278
>Why the fuck would you have a grudge against me, child? It's entirely all on you. You should be buying a rope by now.
If you cant comprehend why people should have a grudge against people that tell them to kill themselves and keep being a nasty fuck then you are either an edgy 15 year old or completely retarded. Thank god it is like water on a duck since I won our discussion.

>>714769371
>I played a bit of Strange Horticulture with my mom
I warned about it in the sales thread I think

>>714753470
>blue prince
I love mystery games and refunded the fuck out of this when I realized I was just rolling dice on gay rooms.
it also made me solve the same puzzle more than once,

>>714769602
sort of weird people get angry about solving the same puzzle repeatedly. no one gets angry at action games for making you kill the same guy 500 times.

>I have to kill the goomba, again?!?!?! I ALREADY DID THAT

>>714769742
It's not weird at all.

>>714753664
Isn't barbuta the first game in UFO 50?
Man, I should reinstall

>>714769742
>sort of weird people get angry about solving the same puzzle repeatedly
you only get a eureka moment once unless you have dementia, after that it's a chore.
wtf are you talking about.

>>714769476
>If you cant comprehend why people should have a grudge against people that tell them to kill themselves
I can comprehend that. What I can't comprehend is how you have not done it yet. If I said what you have said so far, I'd genuinely would not want to live with myself.

But the again, you don't know what agency is, so the idea of having enough dignity to kill yourself upon realizing what an absolute piece of shit you are is going to be entirely lost on you. The concept of dignity is not part of your mental vocabulary.

>>714769814
>>714769838
it's weird. I confirmed it.

>>714769859
HE IS SO ASSBLASTED IT IS ALMOST INCREDIBLE. IT IS SUCH A JOY TO WITNESS THIS

I am sure there is some agency that is watching you right now, anon

>>714765759
I actually overlooked Chrono Crimes when I was going through and testing all the demos, so I am trying it out now.

I almost turned it off when I saw Gaby, but the ice queen is pretty hot so I can let it go a bit longer and see if Gaby becomes the murder victim and I don't have to put up with her.

>>714770057
yeah okay these characters suck balls, I'm taking Chrono Crimes off the list. It's not like I have a shortage of mystery games.

>>714769476
>I warned about it in the sales thread I think
I pirated it a while back, had been looking for some easier casual games to play with my mom.
Also I was lurking the thread after posting and I think it's hilarious someone got upset and mentioned me then someone else copypasted the list I normally post in these threads. Newfags get so fucking wound up over other people reading stuff they don't personally approve of. A lot of great games and suggestions in here!

By the way, I LOVED Blue Prince. If you like taking lots of notes, it's the game for you.

>>714769859
Remember, people, this is how normal human adults talk to each other

>>714770196
Ah, I see. It is a decent game, but lackluster and a bit boring after a bit. Do you usually play investigation games with your mom?
I figured he was just trying to make the schizo guy.

>>714770195
>>714770057
they deliberately hid the shitty looking ones from the banner page and left the ones who looked mostly normal

man I just finished reading this whole thread and its mostly 2 retards yelling at each other.
anyway, I think for any game to be good in this genre then progress has to be gated by the mystery itself
not some traffic puzzle to open a door, not some story shit, not some walking segment, but actual brain work.

anything else is a mystery themed game and not a mystery game.

this was pretty good https://store.steampowered.com/app/1859280/7_Days_to_End_with_You/ like chants of sennar you figure out the language but the game never tells you if you got it right (mostly) so you can interpret whats going on however you want.

>>714770468
>he read the whole thing

wow, seriously? I just skipped any post that was longer than a paragraph and focused on steam links

>>714770574
I can look up the genre on steam, I come here to read what people think.
I also skipped all the yelling.

>>714770340
>Do you usually play investigation games with your mom?
Nah. We had played The Room not too long beforehand and she mentioned that she prefers to "find stuff" when it comes to games (she doesn't play games regularly.) I might see if she would be interested in point-n-click games because I really need an excuse to play through the Blackwell series lol this is just a method for us to spend time together.
Specimen from /vn/ really hate English games and I've been turned into a Skyrim character select screen with all the different ethnicities and deformities that newfags accuse me of. For posting a list and trying to discuss games that are not mega popular. 4chan is no different than reddit or any other social media platform when it comes to discussing media (books, games, etc.)

>>714770639
why the hell would you care what other people think?

>>714770763
why are you on a video game discussion board anon?
to just tell people what YOU think lol?

heh. i would like to know the truth about my mom

>>714770659
It is nice to have someone to bounce ideas off of when trying to solve a mystery or puzzle. The mechanics of games like The Room are fairly simple so it makes sense it fits her level. Have you played The Roottrees Are Dead?

>>714770763
NTA, but sometimes you can find stuff that fits what you are looking for that is not labeled right in the store

>>714770909
>so it makes sense it fits her level
Right. I am obviously looking for more casual games as opposed to... not even 'hardcore', something middle-of-the-line might even be too much. I haven't played Roottrees mainly because I read that the main mystery is fairly short/solves itself and then the added mystery with the remake/full version was a bit tacked on.
Have you played spider and web? I need to replay that sometime.

>>714770340
>Remember, people, this is how normal human adults talk to each other
This is how normal adult humans react after having to deal with the worst piece of shit on the planet for what has now been a few hours.

If you don't understand why a chronically obsessively-compulsively lying cunt eventually elicits such response, then you don't deserve to be treated like a human either.

>>714771089
Another contradiction because you have been like that from the beginning

>>714770874
man this has one of the worst fucking trailers jesus christ.
>look there's a shop
>and you pick up coins
>look a merch cat
>opening door animations
>3 seconds of dead body
the devs do wanna sell a mystery game right?

>>714771089
I thought it was amusing when that one anon didn't know what agency was and tried to assume that anon #2 had an agency watching him LOLOL

>>714770818
>to just tell people what YOU think lol?

yeah. obviously. I don't need other people to think for me.

>Miss the only SoD thread
Shit
Anyway, does the game have a memory leak or something or do I just need to slap more RAM on it? Also what in god's name causes this thing to run so heavy on the GPU? The second I set the rain to anything other than minimal, my framerate nosedives

>>714771054
>I haven't played Roottrees mainly because I read that the main mystery is fairly short/solves itself and then the added mystery with the remake/full version was a bit tacked on.
I recently played it and from what I remember it had good length and didn't overstay. You will dig through lots of information and try to figure out angles to get more info. I would say give it a shot, it is one of the better games I have played this year. Have not heard of Spider and Web, cant find it on Steam. Is it on io?

>>714771289
Just to be clear, that was just a pun since he kept mentioning agency, but refused to define it, and he acts like a complete schizo

>>714771173
>Another contradiction because you have been like that from the beginning
Yeah. Just like I was contradicting myself the whole time, right?

>>714771504
I'll redownload Roottrees and throw it back into the ol' backlog.
Spider and Web is an ancient text-based game. It might take up an hour of your time and it does a very neat narrative thing (that I can't remember because it has been so many years.)
>https://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/

>refused to define it
I hate when that happens. Words mean nothing anymore.

>>714771734
Roottrees really sucked me in and the first hour or two just flew past me while trying to figure out stuff. Have you played Type Help? I believe it is a similiar "go through a computer" type of mystery/investigation game, it is free on itch.io
Will check out Spider and Web

>I hate when that happens. Words mean nothing anymore.
We shouldnt drag it up anymore because he will get angry again, but I think it is completely insane that he was willing to write long insults, but claimed that defining agency was a waste of time.

>>714771727
Never said you contradicted yourself the whole, just the times I pointed it out. If you had read my posts you would have noticed that

>>714770818
>caring what other people think
hello underage

>>714771964
I have not but it looks like it is getting a remaster soon(TM)
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3641000/The_Incident_at_Galley_House/
There are the two Cyber Manhunt games if you're interested in 'social engineering hacking' where you're poring over 'facebook' and other 'fake' social medias to find info on people. Has a fake computer interface and all that.

Fair. Finding civil discourse is near impossible on the internet nowadays much less a genuine debate in good faith.

>>714772204
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3641000/The_Incident_at_Galley_House
Oh nice, they must have seen the success that Roottrees had. I guess I will wait for the remaster then.
Have you played those Cyber Manhunt games? Reminds me of that Orwell game

>>714771363
I'm pretty sure the game is just programmed like dogshit. When I looked at the steam forums to see if anything got better since I refunded it on release the perfomance still seems to be bad. Bootlickers are running smoke for the devs' bullshit excuse that "when we add content we re-break everything we've fixed, so you're gonna have to wait for the next bugflix/optimization patch"

>>714771734
>I hate when that happens. Words mean nothing anymore.
You do realize you are talking to the guy who got offended when I used the word "comparatively" when we were comparing two games, right? After I went step by step explaining how the measurements are relative, how case Firewatch is more open than INFRA, but less than Skyrim.

As for the word agency, it really does not need a fucking definition, but for the record: Agency is the the act of applying free will, establishing, or persuing your own agenda (set of goals you established yourself).
In context of Firewatch, it's means that you have the option to go out of your way and both revist old locations (which sometimes hold new clues) or visit locations that aren't part of the progression of the main story (side locations littered around the several paths you chose to persue when backtracking).

Suffice to say, with Firewatch being fundamentally bad, this does not make it in any way better than INFRA. In fact it's at times so poorly implemented that it actively harms the game.

But it is giving you more angency to actually piece the "story" together. Where as in INFRA, everything happens on a straight line. You can miss something, but you can't actively decide to persue something extra as you cannot deviate from a set strictly linear path. You aren't really investigating the mystery. You are collecting photos of dilapidated infrastructure and randomly stumbling upon bits of evidence in the process.

Again. INFRA is the better game, by an insane margin. And Firewatch's more player-driven investigation isn't enough to warrant its recomendation in this thread (even if we look past the awful story it has).

But both are equally as unfitting OP's request. That is the point. That has been always the point.

The other guy is a lying cunt.

I did not define it earlier because the other guy was a piece of shit and doing so would be a waste of time. But just so that you know: this isn't rocket science.

>>714772204
>remaster
lol what, wasn't Type Help just released this year? I dunno if I will play that since i've already played Type Help. It's alright but I didn't like how it was supernatural killings not a real whodunnit.

>>714772401
I played an hour or two of the first one and then shelved it because it was close to the release of the second game (which looks vastly improved) but I haven't played the sequel yet. Drowning in my backlog as is. Neat for what it is if a bit simplistic.

>>714767151
Uberich Advent Sinners released that weird parody of "find hidden cats" game that I should really get around to trying out to see what the deal is there.

>>714770763
Not him, but I often know fuck-all about certain games and prefer to know more before just buying or pirating. I don't hold everyone's opinion as objective truth, but if I see a hundred people saying "this game runs like absolute dogshit holy fuck a w3 degree would be an objective improvement over the clown they have programming this broken janky mess" then I safely assume there might be considerable technical issues that I otherwise wouldn't know about until I waste my time playing it.

>>714772438
>We added a new type of teacup and now our game runs like ass again
>Please wait 3 months for us to optimize the game rather than doing so immediately after and adding it to the patch
People really defend this shit?

>>714771964
I warned you, anon ;_;

>>714772578
You finally defined it and it was the definition I thought it was. It makes no sense that you will claim Firewatch has more agency than INFRA.

>persue when backtracking
This is just a neat thing since it seems you are interested in language and the meaning of words. It seems persue is no longer in use and it is just pursue now. Dont know when that changed, but apperently it has

>You can miss something, but you can't actively decide to persue something extra as you cannot deviate from a set strictly linear path. You aren't really investigating the mystery
You chose that yourself. I chose to figure out the mystery in INFRA and look for clues. Why you think INFRA has such a strict linear path is hard to understand. That other anon even reminded you of the examples of how it is not linear and will depend on if you can solve in-world puzzles and such. And now you are talking about player-driven investigation.

>The other guy is a lying cunt.
>I did not define it earlier because the other guy was a piece of shit and doing so would be a waste of time
I hope people will read through the posts and see which one of us that were actually a piece of shit.

>>714772645
Wow, you are right, it was released late january this year. Wtf, then I will not wait for the remaster in 2026.

>>714772937
There are so many games and so little time. What are you playing next with your mom? I tried to get mine to play Stardew Valley, but all she wants is to watch TV

>>714764787
You are an inspiration anon. Would love to subscribe to your newsletter.
Like how do you look for your games? Do you just go through steams detective tag and see what's going to be released or?

>>714773483
You have been proven lying again, you lie some more, the circle continues.

>>714773483
No one is going to read over or take sides in this convoluted argument.

>>714764964
Why Homeless? Seems to be a generic horror.
Is there anything special going on with the puzzles or something?

>>714773808
That is fair, but I wish someone would

>>714773748
Please elaborate

>>714753664
Really wish hypnospace had more investigation puzzled on the last segment of the game, more like finding the "secret pages" hidden under some hints and bullshit

>>714773669
Yeah, that's pretty much exactly what I do. spent a few hours the other night until I got to the bottom of the list again. I do it with survival horror too.

>>714773923
I glanced at the page and the reason it probably made my wishlist was because of the sexual content warning. Otherwise I might have passed it over.

Still, wishlisting things doesn't mean I buy them in the end. sometimes I just want to see how games turn out or not forget their name or something. As far as hobo mystery games go, the Drifter would be a better choice.

>>714774042
You and I are alike. I do the same with the regular horror tag; albeit you have to try filter through cookie clickers, anomaly spotter #23810923 and "this is not like your other backroom games"games.
Hell for being a good sport with your recs i'll drop a few of mine for the generic horror.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3583310/Hellkind/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3531640/You_Shouldnt_Be_Here/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3447550/Metamorph/

>>714774371
I saw it during my own browsing and seeing you post it in the thread made me think I overlooked a hidden gem.
Good to hear that I share a colleague in wishlist backlogging.

>>714773612
I don't have anything on the immediate backburner. As I stated earlier, she mentioned that she likes to "find stuff" so I figured she may be interested in some solo pixel-hunt find the X game to play on her own time but hell if I know anything about the hypercasual sphere of gaming. I'll show her the first Blackwell game later and see if she likes it.

>>714775715
What about those hidden object games, likes Hidden Folks? Or those games published by Artifex Mundi?

>>714775715
Well if she's looking for the rock bottom momcore stuff there are tons of free "find all of the cats" games on Steam, and most of them are free.

>>714768303
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1940040/The_Price_Of_Flesh
LMAO the rape game

>>714776223
I'll look into them. I had forgotten that the 'genre' was called hidden objects, even. I want to get her off the TV too.
>>714776357
She doesn't play games normally so I have basically no foundation to work with.

>>714769816
yeah, I haven't finished it yet.

>>714774034
yeah I think they should have added some optional checklist, the content was already there.

Try the Strange Antiquities demo.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3629010/Strange_Antiquities_Demo/

Are they gone? Can we finally start the thread for realz?

>>714779732
Maybe, let's see.
Hey, OP still here, still playing INFRA. Can I get a hint on how to get through the electronically locked door in the Sawmill? I got the keys from the guard shack, the sawmill key, the tunnel key, and an unmarked key. I dead ended in the sawmill on the side you enter going through the power transformers and I've now deadended on the other side because of the electronically locked door. Do I have to go back into the dam and start flipping switches again?

>>714780240
Can you even go back to the dam? It's a mystery

>>714780480
Well I imagine I'm gonna run into some kind of backtracking block once I go into the tunnel so I haven't gone in there yet.

>>714780567
I'm pretty hazy on the details, but I think that doors unlocks automatically when you turn on the power, which you should do, there is an electric short you are supposed to photo.
And yeah, the tunnel is a point of no return gate.

>>714781956
Well I opened the sluices, powered the damn and used the junction boxes to power up the grid. Got the achievement for it. I see a cable running off from the sawmill to somewhere I can't really get to. There was an incline freight elevator next to the sawmill that should have taken me up to some building further up the mountain but it broke half the way up, so I imagine there's some other way to do it.
I went through the tunnel and found a key in there, and it did let me turn around and come back through it to load back into this first area. I checked the padlocked sawmill doors I can't get through with that key but no dice. I wish I could inspect my keyring, half of the keys I've picked up are tagged with where they're supposed to go, but some of these keys either have blank tags or the written side of them were down.

>>714779732
Fuck you, have you contributed at all?

>>714780240
What do you think about INFRA so far? Does it fit what you were looking for?

>>714782587
>I see a cable running off from the sawmill to somewhere I can't really get to.
There should be powerbox inside the main Sawmill area, not particularly hidden. You also don't have to power up the damn to power up the sawmill. Fixing the damn is an isolated optional tihng, it's not required for anything ahead. The sawmill is on regular grid.
I honestly don't remember much about the sawmill, I just remember flipping up the power switch and making a dash upstairs to avoid being tazed at some point, but damn if I remember anything more.

As for the elevator to the side of the sawmill: it's nothing. It's there to make the world seem bigger, but there is nothing up there, it's just a red herring of sorts.

There are some guides on-line if you need. I can't really spare 20 minutes watching it right now, but I remember a solid one on youtube, and written one on Steam.

>>714783084
It's pretty cool. It definitely isn't a brain boiler but I don't mind something with some relaxation and some intrigue.
>>714783393
I checked a guide and I missed a key. Strangely enough, flipping that power box in the flooded room counts as a "mistake target" which will develop towards a bad end? Kind of shitty to have a room that works against the player solving it.

>>714744638
This is one of, if not the worst mystery visual novel I've ever played.
Play this game if you want to get an aneurysm from its primitive prose and horrific grammar.

>>714783981
It gets more complex as time goes and the mystery unravels too. Glad you enjoy it

Anybody played Daemon Masquared?
It seems interesting, but very low amount of reviews which makes it a bit hard to judge. Dont think I have seen it on /v/ either

>>714783981
>flipping that power box in the flooded room counts as a "mistake target" which will develop towards a bad end
I don't remember getting that, I remember getting a confirmation after taking a picture of the arcing electricity.
With that said, I don't think mistake target counts towards a bad end. You are just wasting batteries. The game only cares about the percentage of correct pictures over the course of the whole long, LONG game. Even if there is a penalty for taking the wrong pictures that I somehow missed, it's miniscule since over the whole run-time of the game, you will be passing across quite literally a 1000+ targets, so missing a few or taking a few wrong pictures alone won't ammount to much.

I don't know the math, but based on my gut feeling and occasional checking up with the guide, I think you need to document about 70 or 80% of all faults. There is often a 50+ per level in the later game so... yeah, don't worry about missing a few.