the last few hours of this might be some of the worst parts of any FPS game, not that the rest of the game was particularly good either

>>714754101 (OP)
The ending is shit. In fact, the game goes on a very noticeable downward spiral from the moment you turn of the brain scorcher.
Everything leading up to that moment is great though, provided you did get ZRP at the least.

Stalker games have all been insane production nightmares, the rapid decline in quality towards the end is very clearly a product of massive content cuts and general chaos during later stages of development.
All of it combined makes it an essential slavjank model organism. And you either love those or you don't.

>>714754101 (OP)
the hobo phase is the best. mods like misery and shitomaly are trying to extend that phase forever.

>>714754101 (OP)
I always thought it was fine, mostly carried by the great atmosphere of the cnpp. Felt cool to fight in and outside it even if it really was just too much.

>>714754384
>second post already btiching about anomaly

Who is the dude suppose to be in the cover btw? Never saw anybody talk about that. It's not a character, thats for sure

>>714754506
that's henry, he carries the late game

>>714754506
I think it's supposed to be one of the cut zombies that were just dudes in sweaters, before they had the idea to make them dementia patients with guns

>>714754384
Barring lotto winner level bad rng you can get out of hobo phase in an hour or two.
20 minutes if you get lucky, so I really don't understand why you're so upset.

>>714754384
>hobo
Retard
Hobo part ends the moment you complete the first Sidorovich task
>mods like misery and shitomaly are trying to extend that phase forever.
Yeah, that's one of the the reason why are shit

>>714754571
It makes sense to be an enemy, that's for sure. He's being quite intimidating. That decaying skin doesn't help with any heroic vibe. He seems to maintain some sentience, so possibly a stalker who didn't leave when he should
Many such cases

>>714754101 (OP)
>Good job, Ivan. 50 rubles have been sent to your Alibaba account! Your conscription order is still pending.

>>714754101 (OP)
Shooters having weak endings is nothing new.

>>714754907
>Hobo part ends the moment you complete the first Sidorovich task
hobo phase ends because you got enough rubles for 2 pieces of bread?
Legit worst take I've ever seen of stalker, good job.

I think the ending is great.
You're all a bunch of whiny crybabies.

>>714755715
I was at the edge of my seat. It was very intense.

>>714755414
Except HL1's ending was very good from a story-telling perspective. It's just that the execution of Xen was kinda messed up. It wasn't even THAT TERRIBLE, gameplay-wise it mostly worked aside from the bad platforming.

Meanwhile, Shadow of Chernobyl's ending is both mechanically incredibly awful, and the story is beyond fucking stupid as well. It's kinda funny to realize that the reason why people think fondly of Stalker's story, it's because 99% of it was removed or locked behind a secret ending that most people didn't ever get. Because when you actually read the final explosition vomit, its so, so dumb.

It's kind of a miracle that Stalker 2 managed to make something interesting out of it.

I wish a competent dev would make a STALKER game. I want more realistic engagement distances, bigger maps, and functioning AI. I want to be hundreds of meters away on a cliff, scouting out a safe route around anomalies, mutants, and bandits.

don't show this nigga clear sky he might have a heart attack

>>714755715
I get why it's hated but it's so cool to fight in here, so spooky and creepy.

>>714754101 (OP)
STALKER is overrated as fuck

>>714756664
I want that game to be really fucking hard. Like three bullets hit you and it's over. Gotta be fast with bandages, too. Some gritty unforgiving stuff

>>714755517
>xhe doesn't sell dead bandit loot to Sidorovich
>xhe doesn't break boxes in rookie village
Зaвaли yжe cвoe eбaлo, дeгeнepaт тyпopылый.

>>714756664
>>714756763
I think people like the idea of the STALKER games more than playing them, these posts make it obvious

>>714756763
>I want it to be le hard!
Legit 15 iq troglodyte moment

>>714756925
Alright. Let's have a baby difficulty for your type too.

>>714757097
>le funny pic + onionscasm
Actual plague rat behaviour

>>714754101 (OP)
>the last few hours of this might be some of the worst parts of any FPS game
ENTER

Would this game even be possible on higher difficulties without save scumming?

>>714757287
>dogshit selling point gimmick that doesn't function properly
>cod tier shooting gallery during red forest bridge
>cod tier limansk and hospital
>boss helicopter
>chasing strelok across NPP as if you are playing an arcade game with respawning enemies out of portals
Yikes

>>714754101 (OP)
stalker is the nortubel of fpses

>>714757335
Yes
I mean there are mods like NLC 7 which allow you to save only at campfires and make novice having the difficulty settings as vanilla master

VRAG MONOLITA

>>714755414
Is this fallout 1?

>>714754101 (OP)
>the last few hours of this might be some of the worst parts of any FPS game
heh, wait until you play Clear Sky

bros what are some actually cool mods for SoC/CoP, bonus points for challenging difficulty but without retarded grind and slog that is AREA
>inb4 goynomaly/goymma
nah thanks, after you disable the brain scorcherer for the 15th time it kinda gets boring you know
I tried
>radiophobia
>autumn aurora (pretty nice except for the task limit bug in the PDA that corrupts saves, very unfortunate)
>AREA
>Call of the zone with IWP
>lost alpha

>>714758412
Try the cheeki breeki mod, it breekens your cheeks

>>714758412
Nlc 7, the long road
Those are not without grind tho

>>714754101 (OP)
op here again forgot to add: im a zoomer, trans and brown, not sure if it helps to clarify my opinion

>>714754101 (OP)
The worst part is the shooting mechanics

>>714754101 (OP)
IDI KO MNE

>>714756809
>minmaxing in fucking stalker of all things
>breaking an already broken game with meta knowledge
no wonder you can't find enjoyment in simple things

>>714754101 (OP)
It feels like they made the maps in order, and got less and less interested in making them.

Real shit? Mods are what made stalker good, the original games are ass. And anomaly rules them all. Suck my balls

>>714754101 (OP)
>the last few hours of this might be some of the worst parts of any FPS game
I'd say Stalker 2's final section was actually a lot worse

>buy a shooter
>get to shoot a bunch of guys

Don't see the probylem

>>714760154
agree, far cry 2 best far cry

>>714754492
Analmeme took all the stuff the devs didn't like or didn't work and crammed it back in. Then combined it with several flavours of autism and systems the game was never supposed to have to try and make a 18 year old game infinitely replayable via grindy bullshit

>>714754907
Hobo ends when you get to the bar.
My first time playing the game when it released, garbage and agroprom were hell, had to scrape and scrounge though, always low on ammo and supplies

>>714756664
So Arma but Stalker?

>>714756870
>>714756925
It's the Gamma, Anomaly and Misery fans who say they like stalker then install mods that make it incredibly unfun to play

>>714757469
>make Limansk
>rush you though as quick as possible with constant enemy spawns
Was worse than Pripyat, least you could explore there

>>714757287
>wipe out the bandit camp
>"we did it lads! the garbage is under our control now!"
>leave the area
>come back after 15 minutes
>"s-somehow, bandits returned!"

>>714758412
Step into the wonderful world of story modding.

>>714756763
everyone says shit like this and then realize it turns the game into a quicksave simulator

>>714758412
what >>714761512 said. Russkis have more than enough of those. Many of them are translated. Story mods that get/got recommended or are popular:
SFZ Project Episode Zero. Deluxe Remake
Valley of Whispers
Wind of Time
FOTOGRAF
Alternativa
Spatial Anomaly
Zaurus Crew mods

>>714754101 (OP)
>>714756761
Filtered
>>714757287
Now that's a piece of shit game.

>>714754101 (OP)
i wish...

>>714756053
The original lore and story were good in a subtle way.
>It's kind of a miracle that Stalker 2 managed to make something interesting out of it
You're retarded m8.

Anyone have any of the updated infographs that explain how to effectively install this game on modern machines?

>>714766064
steam or gog version run fine

SHITTER was never good.

>>714766958
why are indians like this?

>>714754101 (OP)
Storming the CPP was kino. I unironically wish death upon all zoomers

>>714756763
Anomaly is already made

Millenicucks and boomers are past their prime! It's a zoomchad era now. Anomaly is peak and the OG games are trash! Only a xoomnigger would try refute this!

>>714767302
>everyone I disagree with is Indian
fat timblr communists call everyone they don't like nazis and you aren't better

>>714767616
>Anomaly is peak and the OG games are trash!
I wouldn't say trash, but anomaly removed the trash and expanded the best part

>>714767775
I'm not the one hating on shitter

GAMMA is the best stalker experience.

>>714767971
my bad

it's actually sad that Stalker 2 turned out to be such a disappointment. 18 years of modding to draw inspiration from and this slop is what they release, on top of bullshitting with better looking trailers

>>714769189
I'd forgive most of it if it just didn't run like shit. I keep thinking I WANT to play it, then I launch it and it feels sluggish and jittery and I just can't get excited about it. I got probably 75% of the way through it and I just can't play it anymore.

>>714757287
tbf that's true for CoP also
3 og games have a bad ending where you're just shooting hordes of monolith
didn't have the courage to finish 2, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't learn from their mistakes here either

>>714766863
Maybe it was for essential mods... I WANT THE BEST S.T.A.L.K.E.R. EXPERIENCE PLEASE HALP

>>714771003
Best stalker experience?
Anomaly is free bro u can thank me l8r

>>714771003
Zone Reclamation Project for SOC
Sky Reclamation Project for CS
Pripyat Reclamation Patch for COP

Don't forget to use 4GB patch on default exec.
For Call of Pripyat, you can get yourself OpenXRay latest nightly build.

>>714754101 (OP)
fag opinion.
I loved it, the wish granter screaming to come to him, the rads and hallucinations off the charts, monolith forces everywhere, screaming their lines like robots, discovering the tipped lid, the massive reactor chamber, the wish granter itself.
Only thing i didn't like is the hidden ending lore dumping, it would have been 1000x times better if strelok just entered the chamber, saw the scientists in their stasis chambers, and just started blasting

stalker gamma is so fucking ass. idk how people can play this. it feels like a game with an absurd amount of random shitty mods all attached together with no sense of cohesion, which is exactly what that is. how do people think thats enjoyable?

if only there was a particular newly released game with 446 reviews on steam that was literally just stalker except if it was good instead of mediocre

>>714771003
SoC and CoP vanilla is best experience

>>714771556
you're supposed to turn off the mods you don't like and turn on the ones you do

>>714771558
This anon knows whats up

>>714771558
I don't care about your opinion if you think stalker is shit
What's the game ?

>>714761013
desu thats literally SoC
>kill the three bandits that you see every time in the same place when you enter the garbage
>come back 15 minutes after, theyre there
>the exact same huge bandit wave spawning near that warehouse every single time
>the exact same zombie placements in yantar
>army warehouses go past a few scripted events then activates "nothing happens" mode until post-game
i wish every area in SoC was like the first one and Wild Territory except sometimes being peaceful instead of a constant hellhole

>>714755715
IDI KO MNE

>>714771956
hey i didnt say shit. i said mediocre
Silverfish

>best weapon in the game
>shows up right at the end
>only enough ammo for 2 shots
Meanwhile you can find an RPG at X-19

>>714772242
>you can find an RPG at X-19
and have absolutely zero places in the game where its actually worth shooting
even the much superior cyllinder grenade launcher is hard to justify having in your inventory, let alone the RPG

>>714771558
Dont fucking tell them!! I dont want sad jaded faggots to start sperging over it and ruining the stealth threads

>>714772178
looks meh. Doens't have the soul of stalker off the photoes i see. Maybe i'll try the demo

>>714765459
>The original lore and story were good in a subtle way.
No, it was not. It was literally a shitty Evangelion fanfiction with factions with the depth equal to one word, which was also their name.

>You're retarded m8.
Can stop being an edgy child for 10 minutes? Stalker 2's story is genuinely quite good. The game has a lot of flaws, but the plot itself isn't one of them.

It sure as FUCK is better than Shadow of Chernobyl, or any of the follow up games. By the virtue of having actual characters, and factions that aren't literally just what the name says.

>>714773053
>By the virtue of having actual characters

then you completely missed the point of the book, the movie, and the games

brainlet

>>714773429
>then you completely missed the point of the book, the movie, and the games
That is a HILARIOUS statement, child. Stop and think about it. I'm sure that with some effort, you can figure out what is wrong with that statement.

I believe in you.
Actually, I don't so I'm going to put it into spoiler.
The book has virtually nothing to do with the movie, and the games have virtually nothing to do with the book or the movie. Also the book is kinda shit, but that is besides the point.

>>714773617
oh, trust me, they have one thing in common. Unsurprising you missed it, although it's not as well expressed in the games. If there was no good ending in SoC it would be completely blatant, curse the good ending.
If i was home i'd take a pic with my book and my Tarkovski dvds with my middle finger in frame but i'm not

>>714771558
what?

>>714754101 (OP)
I think the ending is good
That little slideshow they show makes it feels like your action really did matter and the credit theme was kino

>>714771558
Naw, you need to beg harder than that if you want me to step in some low poly early access shit.

>>714773894
>oh, trust me, they have one thing in common.
The zone (in the most vague sense imaginable) and the Wishgranter. That is literally it. They do not share characters, main story beats, factions, or even the explanation of what Zone is.

I know for a fact you haven't read the book, and I very much doubt you have seen the movie either, so let me enlighten you.

The book takes place in fucking Canada, over the course some 20 years. There is about a dozen different zones across the world, and most of the book actually revolves around watching how humanity is rapidly technologically changing thanks to the zone, going from contemporary, to literally Jetson style post-scarcity future with infinite power and flying cars everywhere.
Also, the zone in the book is explained very simply. It's aliens. That is it. Some aliens made a stop on earth and left their trash behind. It's what the actual name of the book (which isn't even called "Stalker") refers to.

Meanwhile, in the movie, there is actually zero explanation for anything. It's entirely an exploration of the cinematic tools of constructing tension and anticipation. It's an absolute masterpiece, but all it shares with the book is the idea of the Zone as a place of utter unpredictability. It's also set in Russia.

And in the games, the zone is the fucking Chernobyl exclusion zone, and it's a product of not!Seele trying to preform not!Instrumentality and creating a "hole in the noosphere", while completely inventing factions (Duty, Freedom, Monolith, Bandits, Clear Sky, the planned but scrapped mutant factions), ALL of that is an invention of the games. So are the mutants, actually. So are the Scorchers, the Emissions, everything, really.

In the book there are Zombies, but they aren't harmful. It's just people burried close to the zone coming back alive in a strange, cataleptic state. Also some children born close to the zone are strange, it mentions the protagonists daughter being a literal furry. No monsters.

>>714771558
>>714771862
>>714772178
Not playing your scaly sim, buy an ad

>>714774754
give me 2 hours, if the thread is still up

All of stalker is garbage and I'm convinced the only people who jerk it off are people who prioritize atmosphere over actually having fun or decent gameplay.

>>714774902
How new r u?

>>714774878
What for?
You gonna watch the movie now? Because if that is the case, you'll need more than two hours.

>>714774754
artifacts, anomalies, literal stalkers going into the zone to loot
organizations trying to dispute the control of the zone for several reasons
heavy military involvment

all of that is in the book too

>>714774902
>games can only be one kind of way and that should prioritize my preferences only
You seem pleasant.

>>714775261
>artifacts, anomalies, literal stalkers going into the zone to loot
Very much a superficial thing. And irrelevant to this discussion. The point was to illustrate that it is absolutely IDIOTIC to defending game-stalkers lack of actual characters by refering to the book and the movie. Since they don't share those at all.

>>714774992
Been here since 2013, I've never liked it. I don't care if it's a "thing" here to like this mediocre at best game propped up by people wanting to be a dumbass slav in a irradiated hellhole.
>>714775353
>>games can only be one kind of way
You mean focused on GAMEplay? Yes. they should. As it stands stalker plays like ass. Fighting humans is the most generic cover shooter slop imaginable with the worst feeling guns I've shot in a video game, and the mutated enemies are just gimmicks that get old after 5 mins. Everything else is just running around talking to slavs and avoiding anomalies.

>>714775101
to get home

>>714755414
>>714754101 (OP)
>great endings filtering ADHD CoD fags
Good... goood!

>>714774754
>>714775261
NTA.
Yeah, that shit may be in the book, but that is just background decorations.

The book was interesting, because its soviet sci-fi - a product of its time and place. Compared to the stuff from the west of the same time, and even predecessors, its meh. Games have a much better story and vibes, and Stalker 2 most definitely has a better story and writing than previous titles.

However, all of the games have issues. A LOT of issues, and the main one is that its a first person shooter first, and an exploration game second. You would think that devs would make artefacts much more relevant. You would think that hunting mutants would be much more profitable. You would think that being allies or working for scientists would be a damn good way to experience the game. Nope. Artefacts are shit, and them looking pretty is a side effect. Hunting mutants is shit. You can only work for scientists proper in CoP and even then it is lacluster. No looting a monster and selling its organs to scientists. No trapping the monsters to study them. Barely any exploitation of monsters (like getting bandits killed by a poltergeist or making it disable some anomalous field/anomaly). No artefacts that allow you to jump higher, or walk on water, or create a magnetic field in front of you to actively shield you from bullets. No artefacts to disable anomalies or charge up from them. No interesting shit period. And then comes the loot. While first games had some interesting shit from NATO and Soviets, Stalker 2 just gave you half-assed shit. And vodka that heals radiation (it doesnt actually do it). Instead of allowing you the player to have access to a lot of shit (apple juice, zone-brewed teas, grilled flesh fatback with tomato sauce), they gave you some guns and called it a day. Apparently, it is difficult to have worldbuilding.
And then there are faction... and lack of roleplaying.

>>714775589
What is it that you think Stalker focuses on instead of gameplay? I won't argue on the stuff you listed because I don't know what changes there were up to CoP, but I'll say that your statements don't reflect my experiences with CoP, which has so far been one of the best times gaming since I first played Elden Ring. Though I didn't finish SoC, wasn't enjoying it much.
Really man it just seems like you entered a thread about something you didn't like. Not sure what you hope to accomplish with that.

>Try out GAMMA
>Out of the hobo phase in under an hour
I think it's just another case of /v/ being extreme casual fags and are mad that enemies are capable of hitting you beyond 100 feet.
Hell most of the mod packs that get recommended are either gun autism 10x worse and more unbalanced than GAMMA, EFP for example.
Or it's a babby piss walking simulator mod for CoC like IWP

>>714776689
>What is it that you think Stalker focuses on instead of gameplay?
Nothing worthwhile. Games should focus on gameplay and stalker simply doesn't do that.

>>714776452
>The book was interesting, because its soviet sci-fi - a product of its time and place.
Nah, the book is interesting in concept, but really shit in execution. The idea of the roadside pick-nick fear is interesting, even if it's just an extension of the good old "all advanced technology / magic" quote, but it really isn't enough to carry a whole book. It would be perfect for a 20-50 pages long short story.
The other idea, the anxiety of the zone itself, is also very cool. Except the book spends total of 30 fucking pages on it. 10 at the start, then Stalkers become obsolete because of drones, then there is like a 5 page mention of it somewhere in the middle to remind us what we actually enjoyed about it in the middle, and then 15 at the end, which are also incredibly disappointing because a lot of them are dedicated to the fascinatingly disappointing Wishgranter and the generally awful main story.
The remaining 220 pages are absolutely worthless.
I would also not at all blame it on the eastern/western divide, considering eastern block actually produced a lot of amazing science-fiction, and allowed western science fiction to flow into the eastern block. Every east-european sci-fi writer had near unlimited access to authors like Clarke, Asimov, Bradbury was absurdly popular, Crichton, Haldeman, even fucking Aldiss was a common place in the libraries behind the iron curtain.

>However, all of the games have issues.
I entirely agree on that general sentiment, though not so much on individual points.
The artifacts selling for shit, for an example, feels like a logical extension of the idea that Stalkers themselves are very much at the bottom of the food chain and the money is being pocketed by the traders instead.

Otherwise, sure, you are right but I would argue that the context of making of Stalker is far more relevant than the context of writing Pick-nick. It started development in late 90's in the absolute arse-end of the world.

>>714776689
You're talking to an ADHD sperg that got gunned down in the car park like a dog because he tried to play it like it was Call of Duty and he couldn't make it any further.

>>714757287
miles above SHoC, only zoomers and millenial trannies hate Skykino

>>714775101
After reading your posts in detail, it's clear to me you don't understand soviet art
I'm really not going to explain to you why i think your opinion is shit, because i don't think you would understand why you are wrong

Misery is legit dogshit because you'll play through the entire of Zaton and part of Jupiter, grinding mercs and bandits all the way, to afford an outfit and a decent firearm that's not whatever busted shit you've looted with sufficient ammo that you've scraped together from all those goons. And guess what? You've almost finished the game at that point

>>714783251
>After reading your posts in detail, it's clear to me you don't understand soviet art
That is hilariously wrong, all things considered. Nah, I understand it pretty damn well, considering it's my third favorite realm of fiction, and the fact I do analyze fiction for a literal living these days.

It's just that Roadside pick-nick really isn't that good, and (unlike many other works by the Strugatski brothers), there isn't anything specifically Soviet or Russian about it. It's a very straight forward attempt at a hard sci-fi. Roadside Picknick is not fucking Prisoners of Power.

Feel free to correct me with an ACTUAL ARGUMENT though, instead of random impotent raging.

>>714783757
meant for >>714754384

>>714783251
Look out, he owns a couple VHSes, that makes him an expert!

>>714783819
You missed the part where the young man runs towards the wish granter shouting HAPPINESS FREE FOR EVERYONE LET NO ONE GO AWAY UNSATISFIED and gets chewed up by the meat grinder, as an allegory for communism.

>>714784713
No, I did not miss it, it's just fucking awful writing, and has absolutely nothing to do with the regime or culture. Happiness for everyone is not in any way uniquely soviet sentiment, it's literally there to illustrate that the main protagonist has absolutely no real idea what to wish for, so only the dumbest, generic shit pops into his head.
It's an equivalent to a Miss contestant saying that she wishes for "peace on earth". It just means they are completely blank or too stupid to think of something actually more meaningful.

Which is one of the many, many, many issues with that ending, which might be one of the worst I've ever seen in semi-serious literature. Lazy, cop-out and thoughtless don't even begin to describe it.

>>714785008
I'm sorry you had to learn on an anime fansite that most soviet science fiction was made to critique socialism using the only legal means possible.

Is picrel playable at last?
I have a few days off and i remember it having a patch recently that
>it fixed everything!
or something

>>714785228
>meanwhile most Western scifi is criticising capitalism
it's a weird world we live in

>>714785454
ask again in 10 years

>>714785228
There is absolutely no critique of socialism in that book, or that ending. You are just an idiot.

Let me fucking remind you that by the time that happens, the world is ALREADY A POST-SCARCITY SOCIETY. The batteries, you retard. The flying cities. All economic problems are already solved at that time. In CANADA, WHERE THE BOOK TAKES PLACE. There is absolutely no fucking connection to socialism, it's just another way to hammer down the notion of alien trash being so advanced that it makes all of our material woes absolutely trivial.

The reason why both Schuhart and the guy who hires him at the end of the book want the god damn Wishgranter is that in theory, it can provide the only very, very few things that HAVEN'T BEEN SOLVED BY TECHNOLOGY already.
Like a way to cure Schuhart's daughter and/or fix his zombie father, which is build up all the way up to the ending to be his motivation, until that is absolutely dropped for that absurdly stupid and worthless spasm they call and ending.

ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT THIS IN ANY WAY RELATES TO THE PROBLEMS OF SOCIALISM. THE ISSUE OF CLASS AND MATERIAL STRUGGLE IS ALREADY SOLVED. IN WHAT IS A CAPITALIST COUNTRY, WHERE IT TAKES PLACE.

The fact that someone gets killed, and the fact that the most generic wish you can come up with happens to be the same dumb bullshit communism promises don't make it a fucking commentary on communism.

For fuck sake, go read a god damn Zamyatin or Bulghakov or something, you braindead child.

Nobody tell him chat.
We found him.
The biggest retard.

>>714785454
>Is picrel playable at last?
It's playable. Performance can still suck, but the biggest issue with that is very specifically related to the settlements, so it does not really affect the combat.
It's still poorly balanced, but there are mods to fix it. Slower time, better locational damage formula, lower mutant health pools and healing item overhauls (both delayed healing and medkit distribution) are a must for me.

Otherwise, it's... interesting, though much like every other Stalker game, it's deeply flawed and messed up. I always said that full-on open world is a bad fit for Stalker, and Stalker 2 confirmed that. The beauty of the large open lands to explore will start to wear off as you start to realize the sheer amount of downtime and commute there is. It's slow as molasses. The story is surprisingly good but the pacing is absolutely fucked at times. Loot is also pretty fucked balance-wise.

So... it's as broken as Shadow of Chernobyl was when it came out. If you want to make the best of it, I'd wait for the DLC to drop, then wait a few weeks for all the mods to update, and do a full playthrough then.