I prefer Thief 3 to Thief 1&2.

you have shit taste, simple as

you forgot to put a grey chad face on the cover while insulting fans of 1 and 2

>>714756939
Maybe, maybe.
>>714757507
I still like 1&2, though, just not as much as 3.

>>714756774 (OP)
bold statement, how will you back it up

>>714757846
The atmosphere, man. Thief 3 might’ve had jankier movement compared to 1 & 2, but it nailed the mood. The Cradle alone is a masterclass in level design and environmental storytelling. The city hub connecting missions gave it way more immersion too. I get that Ion Storm changed some stuff, but the stealth was still solid, and the world felt lived-in. It's not perfect, but there's soul in it.

>>714757846
I willn't, it's entirely personal preference and most assuredly not the majority opinion. I admit that I use the extensive QoL mods to improve the experience, but I also used Tfix on the first two, though I would say the ones for 3 are quite a bit more substantial, seeing as much more needed to be improved.

>>714756774 (OP)
Oh boy, a contrarian opinion, how unique an interesting,

>>714758195
Clear Sky is unironically my favorite STALKER, the first time I played it, it ran flawlessly, everything worked, every time since that first time it endlessly crashes within the first five minutes.

>>714757990
>The atmosphere
yeah, that one's pretty subjective, imo the first game was the best in that aspect. The cradle would've been great, but it was too long, or at least felt too long.

>>714758195
Thief 4 is the most over-hated game of all time; it is still the best modern stealth game by leaps and bounds, and that's sad because it's already over 10 years old.

>>714757990
The cradle is the most reddit content ever made for a commercial video game.
>Spooky little girl ghost
>Spazzing out spooky enemy
>oh no the cradle remembers YOU now. Run through this dogshit "setpiece" of shadow men. Thats actually just the normal AI grunts which you can exploit and bait around with. BUT DONT HECKIN DO THAT! Arent the shadow men scary !! RUN Ahhhhhhhh
Obnoxious reddit incarnate mission. Immsims aren't built to handle stupid useless forced setpieces. Thief 2 FM a better tomorrow is the Cradle but not shit or ruined by the ghost little girl quest giver

>>714758681
cradle was ok, and whoever's hating on it does so just because they want to mad about something

I don't know which Thief I'm playing(ps4) but is pretty good, the option to save at any time makes it too easy though, I guess a playthrough without save would make it challenging.

>>714758195
Why dark souls 2 when 3 was a genre shift into rollspam that literally NOBODY asked for.
Dark souls 2 plays like 1. 3 plays like 3D punchout as you watch the boss do a 40 hit combo.
Why the fuck does 3 get away with this? ANSWER ME!

>>714757990
The city hub was one of the most disappointing parts for me.
In 1 and 2 the City seemed so vast, but going through the hub in 3 made it seem small and boring.

>>714759235
yeah, save scumming mostly trivializes the games.
they should have limited you to 4 saves per level on expert imo.

>>714759303
Yep. 3 blows so much ass.

For me it's the house of widow moira.
The Cradle is just kino. Nothing to add to it.

I'd say T3 is a pinnacle of stealth genre but it fails miserably towards the end with all of that last boss chase in the city. It downhills from a stealth game to an action rpg wannabe.

>>714758195
Bioshock 2 is indisputably better though

>>714756939
FPBP

>>714763820
Thief 3 hugely suffered because of tech limitations, end level really suffered from the small level sizes

>>714764137
that's because they forced it into consoles, if they didn't care about pandering to room temperature monkeys it would have been a better games

>>714756774 (OP)
No, incorrect

>>714764137
>>714764279
Yeah, putting it on Xbox kneecapped it from the start. ION Storm were entirely capable of making a proper successor to both Thief 1/2 and Deus Ex, but wasted their fan's good will by shoehorning T3 and DXIW onto a console clearly incapable of delivering what was expected from their predecessors.

>>714756774 (OP)
If it wasn't for the
>dagger replacing sword
>models turned into midgets
>plastic everywhere
>small divided areas (this is the biggest reason for the level design being shit, and why you like the cradle, because it's a more Thief-like map)

>>714758195
MGS4 being better than the other games was contrarian when it released. When 5 released, newfags thought that MGS was about generic AAA shooter wide open spaces of nothing, with no indoor areas and very little to do, so liking any other game is "contrarian" to these retards.

>>714759303
Because 3 appeals to kids and sold like 30 million copies

>>714757990
people that hype the Cradle are people that 1. don't actually like thief 1+2; 2. don't play actual horror games; and/or 3. soijack redditors

The Cradle is an insult to thief. Its one of the most on-rails missions in the original "trilogy", almost as bad as something out of Thi4f.

>>714765540
>>714764279
Half of it wasn't actually Xbox' fault but the engine, they started development on some variation of Unreal engine and in early dev shots levels were much bigger abd more detailed. But then they implemented stencil shadows which were do demanding zhst they gad to both butcher levelsvibto shoeboxes and massively reduce geometric detail to cooe.

>>714766664
Craymen were the peak of horror lmao

>>714764279
>they
Thief and deus ex iw were refused funding if consoles were not involved. The publisher was very clear about that.

>>714766117
The #1 focus in QoL mods was making them one contiguous map again, and it works amazingly well. It is a bit like polishing a turd, but the mods are some really high quality polish.

>>714767010
so it's (((they)))™

>>714764279
>>714765540
You retards realize that Looking Glass went under because their games didn't sell? The decision to make console version was a desperate attempt to gain new revenue. Every time you cry about console you expose the fact PC could sustain such games.

>>714767140
Ion storm was not looking glass. Even daikatana outdid anything looking glass did.
Eidos higher ups were just given huge swaths of money by microsoft to make their games multiplatform.

>>714766998
nothing in the thief games was "peak of horror" though some of the cathedral levels were tense

the cradle is a toddler's idea of a horror map

>>714767282
>Ion storm was not looking glass
Went under for the same reason. Lack of sales.

>>714767140
they were under Enix, Enix was going in full kike for Tomb Raider franchise, they did not paid LG nor other associates under their wing, and guess what happened when Enix died?

>>714767434
Guess the toddlers got inspire considering how many fan maps copy the ideas started in the Cradle. Black Parade especially took it to heart.

>>714767485
the black parade took the idea of the cradle and made it into an actual thief map with the appropriate gameplay

>>714767587
Keep moving the goalpost kiddo.

>>714767705
That's not a goalpost move. The cradle is objectively shit.

>>714767764
The Cradle and Widow Moria Mansion were as close as you could get to the first two games.

You can say The Cradle was easy, or exploitable, who cares, it worked, specially after the first disappointing missions cause it manage to hit on something.

>>714756774 (OP)
Objective rating 2>3>4>1

>>714768223

>>714768124
the Cradle is like 90% walking sim. Its on rails. What the fuck do you mean as close as you can get to the first games? Just because huge swathes of DS are trash doesn't mean the Cradle is suddenly anywhere close to T1&T2. The Cradle fundamentally betrays the gameplay of Thief by being a boring scripted on-rails level

The Cradle has neat storytelling but when i replayed 3 (like a decade ago) i realised i could just perma kill the zombies and then it was a fair bit less threatening. The Cradle knockoff in 4 (Moira Asylum) has some decent ideas and is mechanically better imo, weird soft reboot stuff on that one aswell

>>714756774 (OP)
Bump

I started Thief II right after finishing the first game, but don't know if I'm feeling it, think I'm really missing the paranormal stuff from the first game as well as the more adventure-like missions. Have you guys played The Dark Mod or The Black Parade mission pack? Do any of those resemble the first game more than the second?

>>714772835
I feel the exact same way. Thief 2 is great but I preferred the fantasy aspects of 1. Black parade feels like a revamped thief 1, I whole heartily reccomend it. I'd still say to finish thief 2, it has some great level design.

>>714763929
its gameplay is better but story weaker. level designs are equal among them

>>714767764
it aint the cradles fault you have shit taste

for me, there's only one cradle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6hsdWGF0no