Elden Ring gets both DLC and a spinoff game. While their best game by a significant margin only gets a boss rush patch.

>>714770665 (OP)
Sekiro is boring L1slop dogshit

>>714770665 (OP)
Armored Core where?

>>714770665 (OP)
Being a contrarian is cringe as fuck.

>>714770787
>Armored Core
B+

Fix'd
people vastly overvalue fromsoft's games
they're all derivative slop

S tier: Sekiro
A tier: Armoured Core franchise
B tier: Bloodborne
C tier: kings field but spelt wrong
D tier: Demon’s and Dark Souls
E tier: Elden Ring

>>714770665 (OP)
>No Chromehounds or Metal Wolf Chaos XD
You call yourself a Fromsoft fan?

Sekiro in S, bb in A, the rest I don't care about.

>>714771449
Oh, that's right, AC goes in A too.>>714771490

>>714771481
>You call yourself a Fromsoft fan?
No

Sekiro is and will always be complete trash

Why can't Fromsoft make more action games like Sekiro or Armored Core?
The Souls formula got super stale and derivative after Bloodborne

>Tenchu abortion gets nothing while a good game gets stuff
Imagine my shock

>>714771794
>got stale
you are the reason all franchises got ruined
kill yourself waste of oxygen

>>714771794
>The Souls formula got super stale
Anyway
L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1
>Armored Core
Yamamoron bastardized it into lock on no turn rate stagger slop and it died so fast they dumped the WiP DLC assets with a patch

>>714772148
>L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1 L1
cinema

>/v/fags are so bad at videogames they get filtered by Sekiro because they keep spamming L1

>>714772546
You can insert one R1 before the last hit of Gen's combo at the beginning of your webm. People who claim it's just L1 spam didn't play the game, you are pressing R1 as much as L1 in sekiro.

Sekiro is for contrarians with bad taste
It is easier than Elden Ring and is not nearly as fun

>>714772546
Wow i liked the part where you attacked for 2% damage
>>714773063
Pressing R1 when the sword flashes isn't interesting

>>714773063
Most people get filtered by Lady Butterfly because she's the first boss that teaches you that L1 spam doesn't work

>>714772546
>Conveniently doesn't show healthbar

>>714773457
>Pressing R1 when the sword flashes
That's not how it works.

>>714770665 (OP)
not everything needs a DLC or sequel, it can't stand on its own

>>714773601
Agree, just whish they didn't abandon the combat system so fast. They literally went straight back to souls combat after developing this.

>>714772834
>get filtered by Sekiro
There's nothing to be filtered by, you can Platinum it in 3 days
It's a shit, shallow game ruined by poor balance, repetitive gameplay and shallow combat
Even a singular katana playthrough in Elden Ring is far more mechanically interesting than playing Sekiro.
The dickriding Sekiro gets comes from being a braindead rhythm game with no true skill checks or depth

>>714773542
>That's not how it works.
That's exactly how it works
>>714773701
It's a boring combat system that sucks ass

>>714770665 (OP)
Elden Ring is their best game, though.

>>714770665 (OP)
asians are insecure when foreigners mog them.

>>714772834
Sekirofags got absolutely WALLED by Margit and Malenia

Elden Ring is their best game and DeS is mediocre, you also have not played it.

>>714773830
Not really. The sword doesn't flash to indicate that there is an opening in the combo. It flashes during the red kanji attacks so that you can distinguish between sweeps and thrusts more easily.

>>714773738
Base game doesn't fully explore the combat system sadly . Fortunately mods add some much needed features and complexities.

>>714770665 (OP)
Unironically a based as fuck tier list.

>>714773457
>attacked for 2% damage
Deflections causes damage anon, just admit you got filtered.

>>714770665 (OP)
Best to worst
>pic related

Fuck Sekiro and ER.

>>714770665 (OP)

>>714774060
>Not really. The sword doesn't flash to indicate that there is an opening
Yes it does, it's hilarious that you played through the game and didn't notice the last deflection of a combo has a unique effect on purpose

>>714770665 (OP)
>fromsoft
because of their backroom deals I now need a switch 2

>>714774431
is.. is he okay?

>>714774719
No, he's playing a game where positioning matters

>>714774431
I don't think you even understand what I'm talking about. There are openings in enemy combos before the last hit that give you time to attack in the middle of enemy combos. There are no visual cues for these, you have to observe and notice the window of opportunity.

>>714775118

>>714774216
yharnam and the DLC are the only good parts in bloodborne rest of the game is bland and boring.

>>714773534
>show healthbar in sekiro
kek

>>714770665 (OP)
I went from DS1 to Sekiro, to Elden Ring. Sekiro was ass, but is the Elden Ring DLC really that good? I’m having a better time now that the game is opening up, but still don’t have the magic of DS1. Is this thread honest, or is it just Snoy cope jerking off the one game their console got?

>>714776858
Elden Ring DLC is bad if you exclusively use roll+r1 and good if you are a parry/deflect/block enjoyer.

>>714770665 (OP)
How are Sekiro and Demon Souls your top 2? Those are polar opposites

>>714776858
Elden Ring is vastly superior to bloodborne

>>714770665 (OP)
>Sekiro in S
Fine.

>Demon’s Souls in A
Fine.

>Dark souls and Bloodborne in B

Not okay at all.

>Dark souls 3 and 2 in C

Also not okay.

In what way is Elden Ring better than Bloodborne, or even DS3 for that matter?

>>714777485
In what way is Elden Ring worse? Elden Ring, DS3 and Bloodborne are essentially the same game.
Elden Ring is the best iteration of that game. I would have put bloodborne in C and DS3 in D though.

>>714770665 (OP)
Seikro isn’t a Souls game retard and every faggot that keeps spamming this shit is just some contrarian cocksucker that puts it as their favorite just so they can keep spamming it to sound like they have cultivated tastes instead of just being a brain dead retard.

>>714770665 (OP)
I'd put bloodborne and Elden ring on A and tick Nightreign down to B
DS2 to D

>>714776858
If you played Elden Ring ONCE and aren't fatigued the DLC will be really good, on multiple replays the big flaws of ER start becoming more and more noticeable and DLC does have a couple really shitty bosses

>>714777963
>game has bonfires
>somehow not a souls game

>>714777485
>In what way is Elden Ring better than Bloodborne,
It's not 4 hours long, it has many more viable play styles, it has PVP that's not total dogshit. I would also say it has a lot more visual variety but bloodborne is such a short and thematically focused game that I don't think more artistic variety would be appropriate.
>or even DS3
DS3 has fucking abhorrent balance where most weapons and all offensive magic are useless, Elden Ring has an enormous variety of playstyles and most of them are at least viable for PVE
DS3 has no passive poise and Elden Ring does
Half of DS3's bosses are stupid gimmicks while Elden Ring has none of that
DS3 is almost completely linear while Elden Ring is extremely free form in terms of how the player goes about completing it.
DS3 is visually homogenous and intentionally repulsive for almost the entire game, while Elden Ring has enormous visual variety and is quite pretty.
DS3 has mediocre characters while Elden Ring has great ones.
DS3 is filled with horrible spammy enemies while Elden Ring only has one in the whole game (the revenant).
About the only things DS3 has better than Elden Ring are a moderately better soundtrack (which is arguably not true considering SOTE) and better written endings.

>>714777880
>In what way is Elden Ring worse

Worse boss design, open world, and gets repetitive quickly. Not to mention the mere presence of the Mimic tear.

>Elden Ring, DS3, and Bloodborne are essentially the same game

No they are not. At all. They share a lot of similar themes and aesthetics but they aren’t in any way “the same game.”

>>714778169
The solution to not get fucked by the camera is always to unlearn your dark souls 1 bad habit and stop hugging the boss's nuts.

>>714778169
The DLC only has one shitty boss, that being Gaius. Pre nerf Radahn was also kinda bullshit but now he's fair.

>>714770665 (OP)
Eldin ring clearly needed it most since the base game sucks but night reign is actually ok

>>714778331
>elden ring is bad because of a meme item you can get behind a secret door in an optional area two thirds of the way through the game
tranny

>>714778375
The real solution is to just not fucking lock on 24/7

>>714778183
>has bonfires
>has dark souls 2’s estus system
>has the same basic ui fromsoft has been using since kuon
>almost everything else is completely different
>but they’re still the same thing because it’s a fromsoft game where you swing a sword
Brainless faggot.

>>714774215
This is at least better than the other lists in the thread even if DS2 is a bit too high

>>714770665 (OP)
>shitereign that high
Awful taste

>>714774215
>I have no friends to play with

bad boss design = all you do is rollspam
good boss design = rolling isn't always the best response, nor blocking/deflect, nor jumping, nor parry
i.e. ER and sekiro have the best boss design, ER being better because you often have more than 1 correct answer while Sekiro leans toward Simon says.

>>714778317
Bloodborne is not 4 hours long and has many, many viable playstyles. ER only has more because it’s OPEN WORLD, so they obviously have to give the player more options. In no way does that make it a better game. Not to mention the builds are more varied in Bloodborne since the combat system is more unique than ER.

>most weapons and all offensive magic are useless

This isn’t true at all. Dark souls 3 has a ton of viable weapons and magic, boss weapons included. What weapons in particular and magic are you referring to?

>Half of Ds3’s bosses are stupid gimmicks

LMAOOO. Elden Ring literally has a dragon boss that is a copy paste of various other dragons that you can find around the area and repeats various bosses in the game, many of them unoriginal (looking at you, godskin duo). Dark Souls 3 has Midir, Lorian and Lothric, Dancer of the boreal valley, sister friede/father ariendal, dragon slayer armour (which I’ll admit was unoriginal), but still, so much Kino. ER bosses are just ridiculously aggressive and force the player to use mimic tear or summon

>DS3 is almost completely linear

This isn’t true at all. You can literally access lothric castle early and play the game in a different way than what was intended in various ways. It probably feels linear compared to ER because it isn’t open world, so saying er is “free form” is baseless because they’re two completely different formulas.

>visually homogenous and intentionally repulsive

Irithyll, Lothric, Smouldering Lake, and various other areas look completely different from one another while remaining visually appealing, not to mention the DLC.

>>714778419
>Countless reskins
>Lamenter
>All the shitty NPC bosses with inconsistent poise values
Fuck off

>>714778375
The average player will never unlock from the boss, hence all the complains, it's still unacceptable the solved this issue with Sekiro and then fucked everything up with ER again

>>714779725
>Countless reskins
So?
>Lamenter
He's neat
>All the shitty NPC bosses with inconsistent poise values
Get good, faggot. Imagine getting filtered by fucking NPCs.

>>714770665 (OP)
>[One of the most successful games in human history] gets both DLC and a spinoff game. While their [Average succeess game] only gets a boss rush patch.
HOLY SHART WHAT THE FUCK???

>>714779613
I don't know anon, going back to bloodborne and DS3 after a year of Elden Ring. They just felt dated and janky all while not offering anything substantial that is not done better in Elden Ring. Bloodborne especially shocked my at how janky and buggy it felt. I honestly couldn't force myself to contine after Vicar Amelia this time around. Knowing I have ROM, Witch of Hemwick and One Reborne coming up.

>>714771295
I'm really proud of /v/ for not biting on this bait.

>>714779613
Except for Friede, the only thing you need to do for optimal play for the other bosses you mentioned is roll+r1. Same with Gael, SoC and Nameless. Maybe that's why you can't enjoy ER, a game where your options open up significantly once you find that other buttons exist too.

>>714777485
Elden Ring has the best enemy and level design in the series.

>>714778317
>DS3 has fucking abhorrent balance where most weapons and all offensive magic are useless
The only thing that's abhorrent is how fucking stupid you are. Your entire post is either flat out wrong or purely subjective.

>>714770665 (OP)
Sekiro is the worst miyazakislop
Nightreign is the worst miyazakislop DLC
Lies of P mogs all either way

>>714779613
>Bloodborne is not 4 hours long
Yes. It is
>and has many, many viable playstyles.
You dodge and hit. Meme shit like the canon are infinitely harder and more annoying to work around as a primary weapon
>Not to mention the builds are more varied in Bloodborne
lmao
>Dark souls 3 has a ton of viable weapons and magic,
No, it didn't. All offensive sorceries and miracles sucked dick. Almost all weapons are inferior to R1 spam with a longsword. Almost all big weapons suck dick because they're too slow for the bloodborne reject enemies and you have no poise to trade hits.
>Elden Ring literally has a dragon boss that is a copy paste of various other dragons that you can find around the area
This has literally nothing to do with the fact that half of DS3 bosses are shitty puzzle gimmicks. Curse rotted greatwood, Crystal Sage, Deacons of the Deep, Wolnyr, the Ancient Wyvern, and to an extent, Yhorm, are absurdly easy set pieces that use a gimmick and visual flare to try to make up for bad, lazy game design. Also Midir is literally the worst dragon boss From ever made other than DS2's ancient dragon boss fight.
>ER bosses are just ridiculously aggressive and force the player to use mimic tear or summon
Get good.
>You can literally access lothric castle early
This is the only sequence break in the entire game. They also block entrance to the grand archives for no reason.
>Irithyll, Lothric, Smouldering Lake, and various other areas look completely different from one another
Irithyll is neat until they drag us through an open sewer for no reaskn. The high wall and castle lothric are neat looking at times but completely infested with gross motherfuckers. Smouldering Lake looks uncomfortable and is filled with fucking Ghrus. Most of the other levels are some permutation of mass graves, open sewers, and poison swamps. They brought back anor londo just to completely defile it. They brought back the painted world and filled it with maggots. Ringed city is mostly okay

>>714780284
I feel like people are going into those games and in a way expecting Elden Ring. Bloodborne literally came out 10 years ago, Dark souls 3 9. Bloodborne was far ahead of its time and there’s very little reason to compare its performance and gameplay to that of a game that came out 3 years ago.

>not offering anything substantial that Is not done better in Elden Ring

Bloodborne has better atmosphere, aesthetics, bosses, game progression, art direction,not to mention the blood gems and Caryll runes, all implemented in a highly creative and engaging manner. DS3 doesn’t do too much better, but that isn’t saying much when ER takes so many concepts from the previous games, allowing them to strengthen them in ways that they couldn’t before. You have to understand that Elden Ring is a consequence of a formula that they’ve spent so much time on, but that doesn’t discredit the strengths of the previous games

>ROM, Witch of Hemwick and One Reborne

That’s how you see it. Im happy to have Gherman, Vicar Amelia, Lady Maria, Ludwig, Laurence, Mergo’s Wet nurse, etc coming up.

>>714781748
Imagine being such a contrarian you praise mergo’s wet nurse

>>714781748
NTA I can agree with the rest but blood gems and Caryll runes are anything but creative or engaging. Probably one of the worst aspects of BB along with chalice dungeons.

>>714770665 (OP)
I didn't like Sekiro. Beatable, but too hard to be fun. It got far too repetitive
Elden ring was great except for how spaced out everything was and there were very few decent boss fights.

>>714770665 (OP)

>>714770665 (OP)
Nightreign unironically made me have faith in fromsoft again, after armored core seemingly suffered the same fate as sekiro.

>S Tier:
Elden Ring
Sekiro
>A Tier:
Bloodborne
Dark Souls 1
>B Tier:
Dark Souls 3
>C Tier:
Demons Souls
Dark Souls 2

Elden Ring and Sekiro occupy a special degree of overall quality distinctly beyond that of their predecessors.

>>714781329
It is literally not 4 hours long. You can’t judge the length of these games based on how quickly you can finish it if you only do what is required and have played it already, aka speed running it. I promise you that an overwhelming majority of the player base did not finish the game in 4 hours on their first run.

>you just dodge and hit

This is bullshit and oversimplifying the combat. That’s like saying you dodge and roll in ER, which you do. You can use arcane abilities, you can become a beast and use the beast claws, and you can create a build based around your gun. They may not be as varied, but It isn’t fair to compare the playstyles in a game like BB to Elden Ring because it is not OPEN WORLD.

>no, it didn’t

Yes it did. Not all of the offensive sorceries were bad, and plenty of weapons were valuable outside of the long swords, including the big weapons

>Shitty puzzle gimmicks

The bosses you mentioned aren’t even half of the bosses. There are 19, and you named 6. Even if it’s a “shitty puzzle gimmick” it’s far better than what ER does and at least attempts to engage the player instead of just throwing nonsense at them and forcing them to change their playstyle

>>714781748
>bosses
Hard disagree. The quality of Elden Ring's bosses, especially in the base game, is criminally underrated
Bloodborne doesn't have a comparable roster of great showpiece bosses like Radagon, Mohg, Morgott, Rykard, Maliketh, Godfrey, Margit, Godrick, Renalla, Malenia, Starscourge Radahn, Placidusax, and Astel.
Even its lesser bosses, or simply less acclaimed bosses, like the Fire Giant, Godskins, Deathrite Birds, Elemer, Ancestral Spirits, Commanders, Fortissax, Nokstella Dragonkin, Demihumans, and Loretta retain a commendable degree of quality or spectacle.
When you add the DLC, Dancing Lion, Rellana, Putrescent Knight, Metyr, Scadutree Avatar, Bayle, Midra, Romina, Consort, and Messmer the scales become even more imbalanced.
-
The thing about Elden Ring is that it somehow offers both quality and quantity at a level unprecedented in From's games.

>>714770665 (OP)
>>714771295
>>714774216
>>714782273
Why do tier lists go from red to green instead of green to red? Green is good, red is bad.

>>714783594
Ignore this, I didn't actually read through the post chain

>>714770737
Parryslop >>>>>> rollslop

>>714783708
It's more a temperature color scale, green is towards cold red towards hot,

>>714783915
It's deflect. You can't parry in Sekiro.

>>714782814
It is 4 hours long. Shorter than DS1.
>You can use arcane abilities,
And die
>you can become a beast and use the beast claws,
And dodge and hit
>and you can create a build based around your gun.
And die
>Not all of the offensive sorceries were bad,
They were, they all did no fucking damage, and DS3's buffing options to improve them were very limited
>and plenty of weapons were valuable outside of the long swords, including the big weapons
There are two (2) good big weapons: the great club, and the lothric knight greatsword.
>Even if it’s a “shitty puzzle gimmick” it’s far better than what ER does and at least attempts to engage the player instead of just throwing nonsense at them and forcing them to change their playstyle
A boss forcing you to adapt is better than Roll + R1 simulator. Yes, Gael is hype, he's also deep as a puddle.

>>714780412
It's not bait. Dark Souls and Elden Ring are the only somewhat entertaining soulslikes by Fromsoft, everything else has been boring trash. Their earlier titles like Armored Core and King's Field are far better than any of the modern slop they've made.

>>714770665 (OP)
Was hyped for sekiroman in nigthreign but it's just not the same sadly

>>714774496

>wanting sequels when FS is better at making single games
retard
their "best game" for you is only worth playing once

>>714788854
this but demon's souls in B and bloodborne in C

tierlist is something underages pay attention and do

>>714788854
Objectively true, everyone that disagrees is a brainlet.

Elden Ring was the grand finale of rollslop.
From knows that Sekiro, Nioh, and Lies of P are simply superior action experiences, mostly because in those games defending actually feels stimulating

>>714781329
>>Bloodborne is not 4 hours long
>Yes. It is
yes after doing 5000 runs
you are fucking retarded

>>714790579
>nioh
>lies of p
if you are going to troll at least try

>>714790691
>it's not made by daddy From so it's le bad!

>Nightreign
>A

>Dark Souls 1
One of the worst PC ports in history, abysmal performance, no functional graphics options, framerate lock, combat so easy it borders on parody, broken sound, GFWL, bugs out the ass. E tier.
>Dark Souls 2
Some improvements over the original, combat is still easy (with some patchwork solutions), better performance and online functionality. Still framerate locked. D tier.
>Dark Souls 3
Iterative improvements, best combat of the "core" Dark Souls series, kind of a "best of" in a slightly better programmed package. Still framerate locked. C tier.
>Sekiro
Controller support on PC was broken on release. Enough said. Literally, and I do mean this actually literally, unplayable. Z tier.
>Elden Ring
Slightly better than DaS3, more iterative improvements. Crippled by open world nonsense. STILL FRAMERATE LOCKED, WHAT THE FUCK. C tier.
>Nightrein
Haven't tried it, but given From's history with online functionality I'm not exactly thrilled to. Also, it's still locked to 60fps. What...

I wonder if From just doesn't realize that screens go over 60Hz. Always did, even in the CRT era. It's bizarre.

>>714790829
i didn't say that shizo
FS have shit games too and shit design choices

>>714791868
Nightreign's online functionality is surprisingly great.

>>714791868
>controller
Look at this fag

>>714770665 (OP)
Saying sekiro is the best is such a pseud statement.
You people are niggers same with bloodbourne fags.
You just hate western fantasy and RPGs and want to goon to your one playstyle you want to accept
Fuck off weeb.

>>714791868
>>714792248
>Nightreign's online functionality is surprisingly great.
as another nightreign enjoyer I can confirm this

>>714791868
armored core got 120fps but with nightreign it is back to 60. Do Japanese eyes not see above 60 fps maybe?

>>714770787
Doesn't belong on the list and neither does Sekiro.
Like including fucking Deracine.

>>714794320
>such a pseud statement
This is how women talk

>>714770665 (OP)
This would be more accurate flipped upside down and even then 3 would be way too high.

>>714770665 (OP)
I'm biased but I'd put DS3 in S tier myself

>>714770665 (OP)
>>714770737
>>714771449
>>714777485
>>714778969
>>714780963
>>714782804


‘Git Gud’ is nostalgia goggles. FromSoft and ‘autism sims’ flooded the market with tryhard garbage. The ‘PC Master Race’ obsessed with difficulty often boosts streamer and gachashit culture. This gatekeeping isn’t skill, it’s insecurity. Gaming evolved, but you’re stuck pretending only your grind counts. It’s less about talent, more about clinging to outdated identity politics.

Sekiro levels and replayability sucks. It's on par with DaS3 in quality. If I wanted an action game but slower then I would play something like WoLong or Nioh. Souls are pseudo RPGs first.

Demons souls above dark souls is such a fucking garbage take.

>>714795484
Very. I rarely see lists with demon souls higher

>>714795484
It's the definition of contrarian/rose tinted glasses. Demon's really doesn't do anything that Dark 1 doesn't do better.

>>714795150
I'm curious why people love Dark Souls 3 so much. I enjoyed it when it first came out, but on replay, I burn out in the swamp area and quit. Meanwhile, I have way more playthroughs in Dark Souls 2, even though I agree it's the weakest in the series. Yet, after Demon's Souls, it's my most replayed Souls game.

Echo Night Infinite FromSoft2Hardpp you know what you have to do.

>>714770737
You're gay, retarded, and a nigger with zero taste

monkey nigger. also nightreign is shit and e/f

>>714795693
>Demon's really doesn't do anything that Dark 1 doesn't do better.
I does atmosphere a million times better, and with both games being a janky mess when it comes to gameplay that puts it miles above

My .2

>>714774216
Elden Reddit is open world slop though?

>>714795893
Demons souls above Bloodborne? Sekiro below dark souls 2? Elden Ring that high?

>>714795981
>atmosphere
Meaningless.
I meant things actually related to the gameplay and how you interact with the game. As weird as Dark 1 gets, it still irons out a lot of the kinks of Demon's in terms of gameplay.

Lies of P is on par with shit like Sekiro and Bloodborne both of which are lower than Dark Souls 3 on my list.
DaS1>DeS>ER>DaS 3>Skeiro>LoP>BB>DaS2

>>714796297
Saying LOP is better than Bloodborne is hilarious

>>714796120
>Demons souls above Bloodborne?
yes troonborne is all style over substance
>Sekiro below dark souls 2?
I like sekiro but the rpg elements are nonexistent which makes the replayability incredibly low
>Elden Ring that high?
yes the only games I would consider playing rn are those 3 and demons ouls is the best odd oone out although id maybe play it if i got a ps5 and the demake

>>714796579
so i guess id actually move demons ouls down a tier

>>714770665 (OP)
fixed unironically

>t. 100+ hours in nightreign btw

>>714770665 (OP)
>While their best game by a significant margin only gets a boss rush patch
But there wasnt any boss rush patches for AC4A

>>714770665 (OP)
Best game? Armored core isn't even there.. oh wait nevermind I forgot you fags are pve shitters

>>714797106
Nightreigh is a wired one. For a game i don't consider very good I have played it a lot and I doubt I will ever play normal elden ring over it unless elden ring gets a boss rush mode.

>>714798976
nightreign is a good quick coop game, but holy shit it's artificially inflated beyond belief, i hate bamco

DaS1>>>>>>>>>who cares about the other copies since they're worse versions of the same experience

>>714770737
Shut the fuck up, Eli.

Nightreign is actually surprising in that it almost feels like playing a souls game for the first time. It filters so many people just because the run back to the boss is essentially 40 min. If you are bad at pattern recognition/game knowledge you can't throw yourself at the bosses like you could in Elden ring so it comes off as to hard for people. But once you are somewhat decent solo becomes easy mode.

The real challenge is carrying two random teammates through boss fights.

>>714799664
yeah, this game is a cakewalk if you play solo (assuming you get a half-decent rng)

>>714799664
Honestly this fuck was ez mode. We had a guy quit on us the first thing that happened so we played through as a duo and we killed both the moth and the crab so it was only his possession to worry about.
I guess if you let all three live it gets hectic.

>>714799859
I think it depends on classs, someone like Raider/Recluse don't even need good relics and can essentially 100% of the time get decent drops with the amount of STR weps and Staves that appear during a game or upgrade their own weps.

Ironeye while become easy mode still depends a bit on RNG due to bows drops unless you have god tier relics to start with an already S tier bow.

Elden ring was S tier on release before the shitters and PvP addicts cried about game balance and made fromsoft change everything. Its hard to understand just how big of a deal the game balance changes for elden ring were. Sure there were a few busted weapons, but the overall attack frames and timings of certain moves were fundamentally changed, some bosses AI were completely gutted. It was a case of some autistic japs doing 200IQ game design to make a boss behave a certain way then changing it to be way easier to appease the wider audience elden ring attracted.

Fromsoft also doesnt even mention all the balance changes in the patch notes, so reading those wont even give you an idea.

>>714800354
Ya, can be a slog though if your team doesn't build fire damage.

Everdark Fulghor is probably the hardest so far, at least as a caster because he runs around so much and the lockon for him is crap.

>>714799664
I have never failed solo. You get at least 3 resurrection items every run and with 6 flaks you can just facetank everything. Having said that I have not tried the hard mode bosses yet

>>714790589
>claims 5k hours on game he knows inside and out
>still too autistic enough to fall for sloppy bait
bro...

>>714770787
>Armored Core

Boring, too easy, too shallow.
C tier

>>714778419
Gaius is amazing outside of one bullshit charge attack

>>714803307
never understood why people hated that charge attack so much. Just use a shield? And if you abide by some no hit rule, just use the deflecting tear

>>714803780
IIRC it can multi hit is some situations and on release it was worse with that.
But outside of that it never felt particularly difficult to handle.

>>714783915
it's harder but is it better?