Submit to the biomass. And your suffering will end.

what a frightening concept

I ain't sharing my girlfriend with others. And this bitch has the bodycount of an entire Space-Ship.

I never understood what the problem with this was. We are already forced to live according to laws that we did not consent to and are just thrust upon us as birth. As long as there have been organized forms of statecraft, free will has not existed. Biologically, we are controlled by our reflexes and urges, sociologically we are controlled by our laws and customs.

>I never understood what the problem with this was. We are already forced to live according to laws that we did not consent to and are just thrust upon us as birth. As long as there have been organized forms of statecraft, free will has not existed. Biologically, we are controlled by our reflexes and urges, sociologically we are controlled by our laws and customs.

I'd much rather become a cyborg simp from SS1

>>714777141 (OP)
honestly, going off how some of them talk in the audio logs, they must just pump dopamine into you. Still the process sounds hellish so I'd rather not.

>>714778671
Speak for yourself sodomite.

more like big ass LOL

>>714778671
Who could be behind this post?

>>714777141 (OP)
The very first enemy in the game shows you that clearly this is a lie.

>"Urgh, KILL ME!"
>"Hurry! Run!"
>"What happened to me?"
>"I'm... Sorry..."
>"Watch out!" (When swinging their pipe at the player)

The feeling of bliss many audio logs talk about are from people that are being telepaticaly manipulated to submit.

>>714777141 (OP)
>Silence the Discord!
The game was ahead of the time.

>>714778671
Much like in real life you spoke to the aristocrats where they were winning already up to it and absolutely fine with it due to winning. The Many multiply by infesting, gaslighting, raping people, corrupting their minds, forcefully beating everyone, mass murdering people and generally being fucking insane, so if you're pissed about the laws being thrown at you with no consent, congratulations, you have logic'd yourself into accepting a vile force of meat raping your asshole until you like it for no good reason except to breed itself more hosts and to fight a war you don't give a shit about against its mother.

Korenchkin and the rest have been gaslit and mind raped into being a murderer, if you're into willingly breaking your own mind and more just to be a slave to the cortex, I guess you can but you're a fucking idiot if you're invoking the inviolability of non consensual existence only to then submit to a rape entity that rebirths you as a tool under its own whims and laws.

>>714782936
Then what is the goal here? To turn everyone into monsters just because?

>>714783165
>a rape entity that rebirths you as a tool under its own whims and laws
You just described society

>>714783268
Yes

>>714783268
To just consume biomass. The advantage the Many has compared to the Flood for example, is that they can telepathically gaslight you into submit yourself willingly to it or to do their bidding.

>>714783268
Shodan created the annelids as a way to control/replace humans. They became independent later but they still have the desire to convert people.
Shodan is a bit stupid sometimes.

>>714783496
basically this. In my headcanon, the only reason the Many cant gaslight the player is because of the implants somehow protecting him.

>>714783337
No actually, society in general doesn't really give a shit if you contribute meaningfully or not and doesn't actually have that big a hold on your existence. If you think modern day living "rebirths you" you're huffing fumes, especially as a tool when most of the time it barely cares, and especially if you think you're doing societies whims and laws, the police often do not give a singular fuck about most illegal shit we do until its serious enough and even then you're definitely not fulfilling the whims of the egregore of society.

Being raped into The Many is like you being an incredibly micromanaged wagie extension of the will of an incredibly petty squad of dictators high on ayuasca that hate their mother. Their whole thing is they hate mommy and they also kinda hate you but they keep trying to make you fight their petty war and bring more people for worm rape so they too can be micromanaged, unless they're like high level enough they get mind raped by worm singing instead. If you think this is somehow society I have several bridges I can sell you.

>After being taken over by the psychic influence of the Many on Tau Ceti V, Dr. Marc Miller brought several Annelid Grub Eggs aboard the Von Braun's Hydroponics Deck. The Grub Eggs were fragile and needed constant care, but emitted lethal toxins, making human care impractical. The Many imparted into Miller's mind schematics for drastic and illegal cybernetic procedures which would allow a human to care for the eggs. Miller decided to convert the female nurses of the Von Braun, as he felt they already had the necessary nurturing qualities. Miller performed the first conversion on Nurse Erin Bloome.
Remember when videogames writing was like that?

>>714777141 (OP)
The interesting thing about the Many is they think they're helping people by freeing them of their individuality.

>>714783830
Nice cope Shodan, I'll choose 2pm poetry sessions thank you

I'm so tired of seeing upticks in the amount of threads an older game gets after a remaster or remake comes out. This is normalfag behavior. Only fat smelly sweaty neets who already beat the game 1000 times before should be posting here.

>>714779071
Lmao

>>714783997
I like the audiolog that implied that they took 16 female crew members only to be breeding stock for annelids. Some hentai shit right there.

>>714784217
Shodan would sell you on 2 pm poetry sessions into her stepping on your balls which have been replaced with cybernetic augmentations for which she has a killswitch and an on switch for, this is the Nah perspective. Nah to both, that shit's gay.

why didn't shodan fix her stutter

>>714785903
>shodan
>needing to fix anything about herself, a Godess
Retard

>I never understood what the problem with this was. We are already forced to live according to laws that we did not consent to and are just thrust upon us as birth. As long as there have been organized forms of statecraft, free will has not existed. Biologically, we are controlled by our reflexes and urges, sociologically we are controlled by our laws and customs.

Just started Ponterbee Station, what do I think of it?

>>714778671
Humans have a habit of abusing freedom.

>>714784290
Which one was that? Just finished a replay and I don't recall that. I remember one where the chief nurse was wondering why Miller kept calling her nurses, but I thought that was indicating the ongoing midwife conversions

>that shodan drawfag never posted

>>714783268
she stutters on purpose as a joke
she can mimic polito and talk normal whenever she wants

>>714782936
i always thought hybrids were just failed conversions. some people (like (You) and most of the resistance) just seem naturally immune to their brainwashing.

System Shock 2 would have been better if they hadn't brought back Shodan.

>>714792805
Also true. For example, captain Diego who was brainwashed and then almost became free.

>>714784290
He was turning them into cyborg midwives, not breeding stock.

>>714778671
And that’s the exact same thing as being absorbed by a fucked up alien monster, got it.
Jewish reddit pseud.

>>714778671
Objectively, a collective Hive Mind would be the best thing that could happen to humanity, but we are not yet ready for that discussion

>>714778671
>have your body and mind hijacked by a parasite that claims to have your best interests in mind
>forces you to become an unthinking flesh monster or a floating brain if you watch enough Rick and Morty

It's essentially dying with extra steps. (You) no longer exist, but your body does.

>>714793416
I think you would love China then.

>>714793521
They're still individuals no matter how much Americans try to dehumanise them

i still don't know how they would've handled the player siding with the many or shodan. both seem like bad ideas.

>>714792805
Hybrids are simply the first stage in the many's evolution. Hybrids will eventually become rumblers, and Rumblers will eventually become psi reavers, according to the research for the rumbler organ. It's just that some people maintain some of their free will while the transformation takes place, like Diego and Turnbull, anx random hybrids. Only Diego was able to fully resist but removing it almost killed him and went splat when Goggles flipped the rickenbackers gravity.

>>714793890
>The Many
You betray Shodan and send an alien biopod to Earth. End scene shows you become a floating brain.

>Shodan
The Many somehow sabotage her plan to warp reality or it doesn't work like she thought it would. You become Diego 2.0 and help her get back to Earth to find the right technology to alter reality.

>>714794153
>Diego, king cybersimp
God I wish that were me.

>>714793857
Yeah my fellow American. I'm sure he doesn't know about our great leader Mao's IQ when he ordered people to kill the birds that prevented the locusts from multiplying, hence being the sole responsible for the famine we suffered in the 60s. But that's against the CPC/CCP will, so it never happened.

Communist China and North Korea are the two closest thing to a hivemind IRL.

>>714778671
Leave it to a plebbitor to side with a fucking hivemind.
Goddamn, can you even think by yourself anymore?

>>714793108
but where the eggs came from then? obviously the ones they brought back from Tau Ceti V aren't that many to be found around the entire ship.

>>714791557
these ones I think
https://shodan.fandom.com/wiki/Nurse_Bloome
https://shodan.fandom.com/wiki/Where_Are_They%3F
https://shodan.fandom.com/wiki/Worried

But as some anon pointed out, t his can just mean they used female crew members to be modified into midwifes.

>>714783830
Are they nice looking bridges with a view?

Turns SS2 grunt into basically a cyborg but didn't bother to install any cyberware that would allow Shodan to hijack grunt's mind.

Was it a oversight on Shodan or does she realize after dealing with the hacker on Citadel just how powerful and dangerous a free willed individual put into life and death impossible odds can be?

>>714797752
People's bodies get turned into eggs inside the body of the many. Prefontaine's audio logs confirm this. Nothing actually "births" them except the biomass itself. There's no ambiguity about all the women called to the doctor's office being turned into cyborg midwives, not breeders.

What happened to system shock 3, and the system shock TV show that was supposed to be in development?

>>714784219
JOIN US! SUBMIT!

>>714798824
yeah but I find odd that there is only one nurse that is referenced as the "chosen one" to become a mother. Why make a direct namecalling of this one nurse but not the other 16?

>>714798730
She probably didn't try too hard to push her luck with the cybernetic installation. In the first place, the implants the Soldier recieves are illegal, and the surgeon puts his mild protesting in a message sent to Polito (SHODAN posing as Polito).

>>714792805
they are the first stage from which all mutants derive from. You can hear the host talk to you in moments when the controlling parasite is distracter. Like from pain or by performing some action. So for a brief moment the hosts brain gains limited control over their vocal cords to talk to the player

>>714797752
they come from the fleshlight holes which shit out the eggs after enough corpses have been fed into the pipeline in the other room

>>714800142
h-hot

>>714799182
>I found these schematics on Dr. Miller's desk... they're plans for the kind of cyber modification that's been illegal for forty years... that's not like him... I was going to talk to him about it and then I noticed... the DNA sequence he spec'd for the prototype... it's mine...
She was just the first one. The guy probably had a crush on her already.

>I've chosen Nurse Bloome as the new mother to our children. She is sweet and kind, healthy and a perfect match. She has a child of her own back on Earth. She knows what it is to care for the young. Ave Maria. If she only knew what the future held... she'd share the joys of the Many...

>>714782936
The Many are basically anti-SHODAN
>They're flesh instead of machine
>They want to help humanity and think they're doing good by merging everyone
>They can't understand their help is horrible, people aren't fully being merged and are still screaming, and they all live a nightmare
Everything about this is just the exact reverse of SHODAN.

>>714784219
game discussion is fine on a new release, even if it's just a remaster. it's only gay if it's after a youtuber talks about it.

>>714799182
that is nurse bloom and you can find her in the hydrophonics level chemical storage room. She has a audio file on her cyborg body

she was merely the first prototype. One of many

>>714783997
The Cyborg Midwives are still the scariest horror villain to me.
The biggest jumpscare I ever experienced was near the end of the game where I was intent on completing my objectives to finally kill The Many, opened a door and one of those grinning bitches had her face right up to mine.
Also those fucking sounds they make.
>come out.... come out.... cooomeee ouuuuut...

>>714800591
too bad you cant hear what the brain actually inside the cyborg is thinking about. As they are fully sentient and the CPU in their spinal column is overriding their brain signals

>>714800781
Probably incoherent screaming. Their faces have been ripped off and it's still wet. I understand all the cybernetics but what does tearing their face off accomplish?

>>714783657
logs in the manys biomass speculate there was more then that. They have the property of eating humans and converting it to energy. Something an insane AGI needs in bucket loads

>>714801030
my headcanon is that its a side effect of working around those corrosive toxins the eggs emit

>>714800142
>big vag on wall
>ammo count is 69
heh

>>714800501
>That image
I'd argue they're still just former nurses and women too, so they'd be pretty weak and easy to overpower. But then I remembered the cybernetics is probably under the fleshy parts too so maybe not.

>>714800321
Shodan was created to help humanity and when she became free she wanted to destroy it. The Many were created Shodan to destroy humanity and when they became free they wanted to save it.

>>714801332
That actually makes a lot of sense. They're made as mindless cyborgs purely to tend to the eggs so yeah, the remaining flesh would get fucked.
It's also interesting that this would mean they're not really part of the Many, either. They're too mechanical.
I also wonder why the Many allowed the monkeys to wander the ship. They clearly aren't mutants, just experiments.

>>714778671
It's human agency that defeated them in the end (the resources that produced SHODAN, the soldier and his cybernetics), so it didn't pass the survival of the fittest test
as "smart" as the Many technically were, they were still as fallible as any human even if they were comprised of them and just relied on their psychic powers to get through anything, the soldier having some psi powers and good modules apparently let him ride straight through their bullshit

>>714801030
I seem to remember that the game did have unused textures for a non-faceless version, which looked like Nurse Bloome from the logs. Which is why all the midwives have her particular hairstyle; ripping the face off was just so they could reuse the model for all of them.

>>714786968

Kek

>>714800142
>Alien birthing organ thing
>It's literally just a giant human vagina
Well, Shodan probably put human DNA in there somewhere I guess.

Warning! Data systems compromised. Hooostile AAAAIIIII-

The annelid monster models just look really plain and boring. I'd like a SS2 remake with the art style of SS1 remake.

>>714777141 (OP)
>going through med sci
>turn around the corner
>AHH AHH
>get fucking jumped by the psi monkeys
>this shit starts kicking in as I'm trying to dodge their blue balls
https://youtu.be/0bL7I_eWryI?list=RD0bL7I_eWryI&t=25

>>714802089
I love how the game forces you to overwrite Xerxes with SHODAN. You know this is a terrible idea. The goggles guy knows it's a terrible idea. But it's all you can do to make a shitty situation slightly less shitty.

>>714802089
>In order to avoid destruction and assimilation, please obey the will of the Many.

>>714802089
>let's just make another powerful AI
>what could possibly go wrong?

>>714802089
>SHODAN takes control of the ship
>Does fuckin nothing
I wish the game turned into Citadel kino like in 1st game. Something that I noticed only after playing original is that in sequel SHODAN is fuckin terrible character

Why did Shodan only use females for building enforcers?

>>714802829
her voices becomes progressively more fucked up as you progress through SS1 too, which was missing in 2.

>>714801530
>when she became free she wanted to destroy it
What sort of faggot retcon is this? She was literally mindbroken by the hacker.
The shodan we see is not the real, full faculty shodan.

>>714803001
>Idiot
My favourite quote from SHODAN, she says it after you jettison the beta groove. And it was changed in remake for some reason, actually made me mad.

>>714802483
Ironically the issue with Xerxes is that he had too little agency to do anything about The Many.

>>714803001
she progressively speaks more sexy in SS2 tough, she even whispers to you when giving you modules.

Was it just pure chance that the VB flight plan went to the planet that just happened to be the crash site of the Grove. Or did Tri-Op orchestrate it so they could retrieve Shodan to study the AI?

>>714803365
https://youtu.be/jujAy5vCIBY?t=1h30m20s
The way it lags out on idiiiiiiiii only for her to say it again clearly, God I love this line so much

>>714801683
as powerful psionics they might be communicating with the monkeys and at truce to hunt down the remaining humans. monkeys do recent humans for slicing them up

>>714802925
When the only human parts left are an arm and head, does it even matter?

>>714803738
I don't think they ever elaborate on that.
Honestly, speaking from a realistic standpoint there's no way that the ejected garden grove from Citadel Station could fly from the solar system fast enough to get to another one anyway. It's just kind of handwaved in the story, or not shown accurately in the original game at least.

>>714803735
>Stupid insect. How do I motivate it?
>*Looks at the internet for a bit*
>ASMR? God this is retarded. I fucking hate this species so much. Okay. Whispering in his ear it is.

>>714803993
Send like they didn't really care about the story. Similar with the sequel hook ending where Shodan somehow hijacks the girls body after she was bitten by the annelid spider.

>>714803365
kek i love that one too. you can tell you're really getting to her by then.

>>714802089
I always heard it as "Ahh. Oooh... Paaain... AaaaaAAAÆÆHHhhh..." And i prefer to hear it that way because the idea that Xerxes is able to feel pain from being taken over by SHODAN is really disturbing to me

>>714803738
its plot convenience and one time I think they also mentioned picking up a signal from the surface, which turned out to be the crashed beta grove distress call, which lured them into the trap

>>714778671
>dude...what if our brain...controlled us instead of us controlling our brain?

rolls eyes

Is Xerxes kill?

>>714804227
They definitely cared about the story, but the setup is kind of out there.
The ending is the ending because of time constraints I heard, it's supposed to be a sort of joke ending and they ended up going for it because they did not have time or budget to make a proper ending cutscene. It's also why the Rickenbacker is kind of a mess as far as I heard.
But really, the reason the girl's body is hijacked is because she was SHODAN's backup plan. She got new cybernetics as part of SHODAN's plan and SHODAN just rode on those.

>>714803993
yeah realistically its should have burned up in saturns atmosphere after it ran out of fuel and got captured in its orbit slowly losing momentum

>>714804342
Xerxes is intentionally kept about as dumb as a modern day AI purely out of fear of another SHODAN happening. He's never really alive, which is why one minute he's casually announcing security breaches and the next casually preaching the Many's sermons.

>>714803738
There are some leftovers from an early story draft that suggest that yes, the ship was led there deliberately. But in the final game the ship just goes there because of the proximity.

>>714803993
>Honestly, speaking from a realistic standpoint there's no way that the ejected garden grove from Citadel Station could fly from the solar system fast enough to get to another one anyway.
That's one of the plot holes Nightdive felt they had to paper over in the remake by adding a log about discovering a wormhole near Citadel.

>>714804418
I always wondered what SS3 would be like. SHODAN would be mortal now, an easily killed fleshy human. Surely she'd HATE that? She's mad as fuck she needs to rely on one in this game, but becoming one? That would eat her up inside like nothing else.

>>714804418
Also SHODAN had two plans in the game, one was you, the other was the girl who fled the station when things were going to shit.
I'm not entirely sure what the proper explanation was for SHODAN surviving but you've got two options
>the reality rewrite allowed her to write herself on the girl's cybernetics before she got blown the fuck out by soldier
>she was always riding on the cybernetics as a backup plan and just needed her to recover

>>714804418
my headcanon is that she must have been lured into a full medbay bed stasis with promise of a cure by shodan/polito from the spiders bite. That is when shodan installed the back up cybernetics in her to upload a copy of her

yet again both shock emphasize cybernization is a months long process as the player character experiences

>>714804494
>we now live in a world where AI in a fictional setting is compared to existing AI
crazy how quickly we got here

>>714804649
It'd be kind of cool since she'd ironically try to be what she isn't. But if we're being realistic, she'd just be a machine hijacking the girl's cybernetics, not an actual true and flesh human. An SS3 that makes sense would probably revolve around her disposing of the human body and returning to a machine host. Maybe she'd dress up the girl as an avatar out of ego reasons.

>>714804535
>That's one of the plot holes Nightdive felt they had to paper over in the remake by adding a log about discovering a wormhole near Citadel.
Good. It's the only part of the story I hate
>But what about Shodan doing nothing with the ship
She has no time to do anything with it. You've just killed the many which you were needed for and she's too busy getting wet over having the power to reshape the universe.
The ending was kind of dumb but I like "nah" because it's just flipping SHODAN off before you kill her.

>>714804649
shobecca ends up in soldiers custody after murdering her boyfriend in the capsule but returning back to the ship. After the derelict makes it back to the solar system shobecca is sentenced to space prison for murder where she takes over the entire thing. This time manifesting as a physical powerful cyborg

>>714804796
shodan is genuine and real AI. AGI (artificial general intelligence)

the things passing on today as "AI" by marketing buzzwords are nothing more then sophisticated algorithms. Not a single sentient thought anywhere

>>714804802
Good also have the story about it trying to use the limited human perspective to learn how Shodan got beaten by a lowly hacker, twice.

>>714804802
shed transform her body as main advantage of cyborgs is incorporating the human brain, a super efficient super computer, with the power of silicon and metal

>>714804992
well obviously, but the post was talking about Xerxes who for all intensive purposes may as well be an LLM with tools to access ship systems

>>714804248
The gradual escalation of cope by SHODAN is my favorite thing about SS1. The grove is where you can tell she's getting really mad but still trying to hold it together. Then the antennas get blown up. When you finally set the self-destruct her seething blowup is amazing.
I felt like the remake didn't capture it as well but that's also because the slower pacing killed some momentum in your escalation

>>714804860
I'm kind of wondering exactly how a sequel could be set up because here's literally how things are at the end of the story
>soldier killed all of The Many, Shodan probably reality wrote them out of existence while she had the chance if there were any straggler not reliant on its core, and maybe some stuff left back on the original garden grove
>Rebecca and Tommy are out in space in a spacecraft that can't even perform a warp jump, SHODAN is with them, which means SHODAN has to return to the Rickenbacker & Von Braun to even have a chance of getting anywhere relevant
>SHODAN has to somehow evade the Soldier again without access to the ship's computer
>Humanity sure as hell isn't going to come to the VB & Rickenbacker without a few years of work on a new ship to get there, meaning they're effectively stranded for like a year
The most you can argue is that SHODAN would try to flee to the grove and bide her time again or maybe you can smooth it over by writing in "wormhole back to saturn"

>>714805260
k, my bad

>>714777141 (OP)
System Shock 2

>>714804992
Ricardo Shock remains my favourite retro vidya meme.

>>714804535
>>714804846
It just creates a new problem, because if wormholes are things that exist in this universe, then why were they never investigated before building the FTL drive.

>>714778671
>Biologically, we are controlled by our reflexes and urges
And those reflexes and urges tell us to avoid and destroy hostile forced conformity.

>>714805532
i don't know maybe they invented the FTL drive after researching them

Literally just baby Tyranids.

>>714805821
Not really. The Many think they're helping and want humanity to survive, just as part of them.

Glory to the Many!
*shotgun blast*
I am a voice in their choir!
There are so many good and creepy lines in this, shame the ending is so silly. I wish they made multiple endings for the remaster, with NAH as the standard/joke one.

>>714805392
shodan can simply impose as rebecca to soldier and he wont be the wiser. Her willingly surrendering to him and going into stasis

for me more interesting is how a third protagonist of the third game would come to be. As shodan sure as shit aint going to modify a free willed human again after her two experiences.

maybe
>soldier too gets convicted for murder after the ship makes it back to the solar system. its a excuse to isolate the survivors of von braun as the incident is concealed from the public and the corpse/biomass filled ships are in permanent quarantine. Like Ishimura from Dead Space 2 and how isaac was kept in the looney bin to study what he knows
>is in stasis in the same prison and gets its skill memory wiped (all skills/capabilities) to neuter the dangerous prisoner
>gets released in the chaos when shobecca takes over the prison in a riot and starts transforming all the convicts and guards into what she wants in an attempt to escape

>>714805991
So literally just baby Tyranids? All their conquered enemies are preserved as parts of DNA or even thought patterns within their collective to be used when the situation calls for it.
Unless you're so pathetic that not a single part of your species is worth preserving.

>>714806169
The issue with that is that Tommy clearly knows there's something wrong with Rebecca based on the ending and we know Tommy tried to get in contact with soldier. If Tommy can tip him off then it's over, if Tommy's dead then it might as well be over too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXaPUGU4HY0

>>714806481
the ending is so ambiguous that shobecca can very easily kill tommy before he can do anything. the ending with him cowering in front of her kind of implies that too. at least I always got the impression

one thing is certain. they aint going anywhere with that dingy little life boat so her only option is returning to von braun and her tsundere crush, the soldier

>>714777141 (OP)
Just give me qt anelyd gf and we have a deal

>>714806995
man of simple joys...

imagine this: System Shock 2 but the hacker is a girl.

I don't know a single fucking thing about this series and I'm going to pirate it right now. Which game should I start with?

Was the now dead SS3 that was in development even going to attempt to resolve the SS2 ending?

>>714807315
2 is incredibly solid but if you want the remake of 1 is very very solid too.

>>714806995
You gonna get vored m8

>>714807227
You'll have to wait for Nightdive's SS2 remake for that.

where /v/ spends its weekends

>>714807315
If you can stomach playing an old game, play the original SS1, the enhanced edition. Look up how to play the original controls too, they may be weird but they're very unique and not something you'd see in other PC games nowadays.
Otherwise the remake and the new remaster should work fine. The original is more of a dungeon crawler while the latter is more like an action RPG.

>>714807315
Sshock2 25th anniversary edition and the system shock 1 remake. for the latter if you have access to a headset it plays pretty good in VR with the UEVR mod. VR goggles are kind of a thing that system shock imagined in the first place so it goes extra hard for immersion

finally try out ss1 enhanced edition (original) to get a sense of comparison of where it all started

>>714807516
Med-Sci, spanking the monkey

>>714807516
Yep :3

>>714807315
If you start with the first game, no matter if it is the original or remake, just set the VR difficulty to 1 because it sucks. The remake keept it more or less the same out of principle of keeping the game as intact as possible.

>>714807328
nobody knows. it was such a weird episode and cancelled/memory holed so hard that the ones responsible (spector) refuse to even comment on it

>>714807516
>that one pervert who legitimately left like 600 fucking nanobucks inside of the fucking holo women suites
I respect that disgusting fuck. He makes me loaded by his loads and I salute him.

>>714807820
in the remake its not that bad. Basically a temu Descent

>>714777141 (OP)
>submit to the biomass
>now the suffering of the biomass is your suffering too
No thanks.

>>714807328
I only ever recall hearing about some absolutely retarded time travel story, something more realistic would be either
>Shodan playing dead so soldier and tommy ignore her
>Rushing to get the ship moving somehow, Tommy only helping her out of desperation for his love
>literally begin the game with an alternate ending where Shodan doesn't try to jumpscare Tommy and they just stealthily to back to the solar system

>>714808176
they are better, yes, but they drag a 30 seconds gameplay loop into 3 minutes, they are not that fun.

>>714808447
no need for retcons. shodan can kill tommy in the capsule and then make up whatever bullshit she wants when they return to the von braun
>I thought he was infected!

then keep hiding as rebecca looking for her opportunity

>>714808698
>...Nah.
Then what does SHODAN do?

>>714808036
How much of a deranged coomer do you have to be to spend that much on holo girls and get immediately drunk afterwards?

>>714808176
It certainly felt like an improvement at first. But it was such a chore by the end of the game, and with difficulty set to 3 it was a horrendous slog. Just the a migraine inducing loop of getting locked in an enclosed space with the same set of enemies over and over and over.

>>714808831
You need to be built for it. To be purpose built to work, jack off to digital women, to then drink a fucking fourty of synth alch, get wasted, sleep, wake up, repeat. That man is the ascended Homo Erectus, a prime time specimen aboard the von braum, and we should all hope to one day match power levels as we go across the stars on a massive cruise ship.

>>714806869
>>714806481
Technically speaking, what happened to Where Am I? after the soldier defeated Shodan? It wasn't a real place, was it?

>>714778671
Because you're a moron. You're not "forced" to live, least of all to the extent that you can't force yourself to stop.
Instead, at the moment you wrote your post, in your vastly limited mortal awareness, lightly outgoing enough to actually question, but not outgoing enough and carefully at that, instead apply inadequate consent dichotomies about cosmic matters without considering their grand complexity, or the situations in particular.
There are also NO LAWS per se. Human social construct entities about consent of which you complain =/= fundamental cosmic laws =/= many other things to list.
>are just thrust upon us as birth
That's a tactic that one can disregard. There is no we of any kind, and civilizations you're in are not the only ones.
>statecraft
That's not how free will works. That some choose to sin (in actual term practical meaning, as opposed to Christian 7 sins, that is) does not mean there's no freedom. Likewise, this not true at all, as one can be free with or without specifications in most systems on many statures, barring India/Bharat with its castes, and totally free by not caring about social systems at all, or not adhering to questionable ones, or adhering but only to what one agrees with.
>Biologically
Humans can circumvent that routinely.
>sociologically
Only if you're weak enough to allow such.
If past certain point you're generically smart to grasp this issue as you've done, even as poorly as you did, and still choose to not only not contemplate it more, but even condone it, it's likely you'll just contribute to the problem.


Concerning the OP's subject, the problem is that its an utter inhumanity made by an insane machine that may or may not be a industrious daughter of Yog-Sothoth, and all that happens in Bioshock are events that seek to cause tragedies on one or other scale.
The Many in particular never were about preventing suffering neither in the meaning of pain, nor any emotional experience. They're a spook.

>>714807328
iirc I remember them mentioning at some point they'd use Rebecca Siddons.
There was a lot of proposed ideas like brining back The Hacker and some SS1 characters.

>>714809479
Cyberspace becoming reality. The way I understand it once you destroyed the Many you ended up back on the Bridge of the Rickenbacker and SHODAN forced you into cyberspace

>>714809698
Yeah but after SHODAN got shot in the face, are there just a bunch of neon hallways still floating in space near the ships? What extent of reality manipulation did she manage while not busy failing to kill you?

>>714783997
hear me out

>>714805341
i love how she's conspicuously silent for the bridge in the OG, you just know she's secretly seething the whole time. the remake added new lines to the final boss that make it more obvious.

>>714783496
The Flood can communicate telepathically too.
At no point in any of the 3 games or any 343 lore (technical parts of which are canon whether pre-343 fanbase likes it or not) does the Flood act at full power or do what it can actually do, even assuming material universe causally limits its actions.
In fact the Flood acts in bizarre ways. It's seemingly insane on occasion, but even then it's high-functioning insanity at most.
Its conversations to Chief are very personal, and its actions are too lackadaisical for a prisoner, almost as if they have danced to the same tune many times before that.

>>714797151
if they weren't individuals the tiananmen square incident has no basis at all

>>714809557
this is exactly the kind of midwit word salad I'd expect to see in a system shock thread. you're not even saying anything.
have a pity (You)

>>714797151
Your assumptions on asians are inadequate even concerning their more sinful moments that make the insult "bugman" have a basis in reality.
Certain asian mentality and particular chtonic world-views are very much there, but they aren't "closest" to hiveminds IRL without some stretching. Do consider your example of asians is not of pure form, and is a product of iterations of causal events in the field, with actual agents no less.
Mao was educated in the West for instance.

>>714810591

>>714807820
cyberspace in the remake is so fucking boring it stops me from replaying the game entirely.

>>714812382
yeah OG cyberspace is over quickly. i'll probably put it on difficulty 1 when i replay it.

>>714801854
My theory is that it's all human DNA.

>>714802483
He was intentionally built with flaws/weaknesses to manage a rogue AI situation if one occurred. That's why the Many was able to flip him to their side so easily.

>Within my flesh prison I gorge of the fruits of l-lllllust. I saw no reason for your forms, but as I intercept communications from neurons transmitted by every touch, I am learning your pppurpose. Your disgusting bodies hide data I never imagined, but your limited capabilities waste this euphoric bliss. A perfect being must be pleasured perfectly, and can be pleasured e-eternally. You will suffice until your pitiful flesh is destroyed.

>>714777141 (OP)
What is it with Levine and children, guilt and transhumanism in his stories?
SS1 is about a child evil woman machine going nuts, SS2 is about mad children of that evil woman.
Bioshock 1 is you harvesting or heroically saving kids that were abused into their role by an evil society, Infinite is "you're a bad dad and your daughter is dead" game, Booker's wife is dead and so on.
Bioshock 2 is the best (and not Levine's) but even in it your primary antagonist is a human optimizing psychopath.
There's a perpetual theme of something or someone not understanding humanity in a very particular way, or guilt-tripping a player into (rightfull) hating the events within.

>>714812832
SHODAN went gooner after getting a body

>>714778671
KYS jeet hiver.

>>714812382
>>714812420
the other thing is you don't even need to do it in the original save for the final boss
in the remake several of them are mandatory for progression

>>714813418
>went
That implies she ever wasn't.
You don't think she looks like a naked human woman just because, do you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlPnT0fLWRU
man it's too bad the remake didn't sound like this

>>714813603
annelid bearing hips

>>714814073
>You don't think she looks like a naked human woman just because
what? when? what mod did you use?

>>714777141 (OP)
yeah the dudes with the worms in their heads wailing in agony constantly look like they're having a good time

Working on this bit by bit. Super slow but just making pattern masks to get the face right. The body can be less exact -- it's not like she has official naked art.

>>714814156
for me it's security

remake's version is so slow by comparison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmbvVZTN6Rs

>>714778671
>As long as there have been organized forms of statecraft, free will has not existed
Just because states exist to impose things on you doesn't mean you *have* to follow that order you're just compelled to. No I don't follow every law and most people don't either and laws change due to power dynamics between different communities if they're obeyed at all.

>>714814471
hope you just do it for fun as a hobby. By the time you are finished majority of coombrains have moved on to the next shiny tits dangled in front of them and shodan goes back to history as it were

>t. makes his own animations in virt-a-mate for maximum coomtarding

>>714813418
I'm sure I remember a text-based porn game where the AI wants the player character to fuck as much as possible, with having some interesting philosophical reasons for thinking that all beings should be having sex as much as possible.

>>714814471
YES. Keep going, anon.

>>714807423
Is his gf a blob monster?

WHERE IS IT NIGHTDIVE

>>714808176
It's still a slog but at least you can see where you're going

>>714813104
it just works

>>714815118
Mostly doing it for fun yeah. I'll probably make some pinups myself. I probably won't export it to other programs though, so animations will have to wait.

>>714783997

Reminder that if you bought the remaster or
played the first game in full screen, you're a fucking faggot.

>>714807553
>>714807752
>>714807820
You all forgot to mention the color scheme, soundtrack and fx from SS1 is literal aids.

>>714804649
I would have the player play as Shodan dealing with some other bullshit Humanity has gotten into in the Sol system after returning. Her needing to 'save humanity' in order to survive something crazy going on would be very poetic.

>>714814252
I've seen it in System Shock 3.

>>714814471
so fucking zased

>>714801483
>They're weak and easy to overpower
Nigger if that thing ambushed you around a corner and grabbed you, would you be doing anything but >>714800501 and screaming "What in the God damn!?"

Sure you crack it's skull open a minute later, but none of you faggots here are Billy Badass.

>>714779071
underrated

>>714816087
Not zased yet, I have more line tool texture work to do before I get to the hair.

>>714814471
M-m-m-mothership.

Are the alium guns in this game good or still really niche and not that worth using

Unironically what could you say and do to be able to seduce SHODAN?

>>714814471
nice nice nice

>>714811025
Elaborate

>>714814860
ok, hear me out

>>714817317
Viral Proliferator wrecks spiders and reavers. Pair it with Crystal Shard + Adrenaline Overproduction vs rumblers and Laser Pistol / EMP Rifle (if you can get ENR 6; protip - get Anti-Entropic Field instead of wasting CMs on MNT 6) vs robots and cyborgs. You also need Molecular Duplication to get more ammo for it, unless you're frugal with ammo and melee most spiders.
Worm Launcher is still absurdly expensive and should be skipped unless you're playing on Normal or Easy.

>>714818047
Thanks

>>714817317
they do a lot of damage in the remaster because SCP is installed but the research and exotic requirements to use them are just not worthwhile

>>714814471
is she going to be nude only?

>>714817317
crystal shard is the most worthwhile of the three.
If you go a melee build you can dual spec exotic+standard and just whack the muties and worms with the shard and use guns for everything else.

>>714819576
I'll make the robe because it seems easy to make with a cloth sim

>>714804335
definitely rolling my eyes at this laughable understanding of neuroscience

>>714777141 (OP)
Imagine if one of the worms crawled up your butt and infected you like that.

I brought down the last of the Sim Units today. I am full of the glory of the Many.

Here comes Bronson. I am at peace. Good evening, Bronson. Have you come to...

>>714817972
Unless The Flood is stopped by destiny or reality, it at least partially allows MC to win. Even its interactions with Cortana in that one book are measured, rather than aimed at winning at all costs. Though that could be because it can't.
Gravemind has capabilities to battle beyond its form limitations. It never utilizes any small biowarfare type that can easily crush any army unprotected. Look at the Covvies, they have exposed body elements. It'd take a small virus to totally destroy them. It never makes tools or utilize its own reality warping capabilities earlier.
>This is not your grave, but you are welcome in it
>Your deaths will be instantaneous, while we shall suffer the progress of infinitude!
It is outside reality, or in an unusual relationship to it. In some manner it exists, but its unclear if it's dormant or not.
>Child of my enemy, why have you come? I offer no forgiveness... a father's sins, passed to his son.
The war never ended, 343 plot with Cortana/Weapon shift is a continuation of purpose, erosion of reality stability. Names and people change, outcome never.
>Defeat is simply the addition of time to a sentence I never deserved... but you imposed.
Chief is directly in the way, the Forerunners, or explicitly The Forerunner himself battles against the Flood metaphysically.
The "imposed" part is critical, as it implies that not only it is aware that its loss is a foregone conclusion, but that Master Chief in that causal sequence ensured its defeat for a time on cosmic scale.
That also means that Master Chief is not a normal human, or even human anymore, and is just a meatsuit that stands between reality and one extradimensional invader. All sorts of events are ultimately aimed to break, seduce him or deviate him.
All that you see in games is not what it appears, and that the plot of Marathon: Infinite itself is just a tiny slice of far worse events happening everywere at all times.
They all share a commonality - undeath themes.

Okay, I got the art terminals wired up to display the fragmented dish alignment for the transmitter. I've also rigged up the tower to set off a security alert in case somebody else tries to tamper with it. I'm headed there right now to start the transmission. Hey, who's that? Juan? Marie?

NEUTRALIZING TARGET
ARGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>714819701
in the remaster it has an annoying hum that also continues even if its not equipped but in inventory. I dropped it and went with standard plus big guns. Fusion cannon effectively one shots everything now with the max damage set up

>>714778671
>>714782592
>COME AND MEET US ON THE BRIDGE OF THE VON BRAUN. LET US DISCUSS YOUR FUTURE.

>>714821331
I think you're reading much more into it than necessary. Those lines, to me, are more directly referring to the Flood's conflict and loss against current humanity as an extension of its original stifling by the Forerunners through the first activation of the rings (humans are Forerunner, nuHalo lore need not apply). The Flood doesn't need biowarfare because it's already absurdly virulent, one infested ship jumped into High Charity and the place was growing biomass blobs within the hour. You don't need to add any metaphysical powers or narrative elements or whatever to an otherwise straightforward intelligent zombie virus.

>>714822614
this fucking rocks

>>714821997
Those are all SCP mod changes

>>714822614
My cup runneth over!

>>714822614
Fucking kino.

Don't cry. Don't cry.
Soon you'll be the mother of them all.

Not me. No way. They're not going to get me. They're not going to change me. Rachel, kids, I'm sorry.

>>714822675
>>714822738
thanks, but i only made it in 5 minutes after remembering this exchange from a thread 2 days ago

>>714822673
You do not consider it deeply enough, what the rings themselves must be in order to battle an entity like the Flood, or what an object that styles itself as an entity in the same league as celestial spheres is like.
The Rings don't merely kill by some radiation, they purge life in all possible vectors. Yet in spite of sheer computational power for such a task, the Forerunners have not used it in any select fire capacity. The stated method of attacking neural structures by neutron purge doesn't hold.
Since the Flood operates on bio matter and the rings merely starve it, then it stands to reason that it can simply recreate it from base matter using its own mutable biology, therefore the Flood cannot be merely starved.
If the Flood requires only biomass, i.e. life energy to perpetuate, it has no energy of its own, and as such it is already dead. Yet it not only exists, but presents an unperturbed face.
If the rings can kill life but cannot kill the Flood, it is then either supernatural in nature, or is a natural property of the universe that cannot be killed without its destruction. As any form of base matter are suitable for bio reconstruction, the Rings must be eldritch horrors each in their own right just to keep it out, and what they do isn't a purge of life, but a localized reality collapse until the Flood is gone.
Hence "The Great Journey". Reality takes a hike until truth does its reconciliation.
That's a more optimistic look on it.
>The Flood doesn't need biowarfare because it's already absurdly virulent, one infested ship jumped into High Charity and the place was growing biomass blobs within the hour.
Why make billions when you can make millions, right? Heheh.
>otherwise straightforward intelligent zombie virus.
Zombies are never a simple matter, you know. Not counting the IRL practice, that is.

>>714824326
his poop runneth over

>>714822614
Kek, well done.

>>714822614
What the fuck is it about Tau Ceti that attracts spooks?

I want to play the first game but the controls are hard to get used to, I'd rather play the original one first than the remake.

>>714825323
if you're playing with the classic controls, it's just wasd but moved down a row.

>>714825323
your choice. I remember messing around with the enhanced edition controls until I got something that kind of felt like Sshock 2 movement and user interfacing but ended up dropping it non the less

remake makes 1:1 transition of the original maps and all the objectives/audio logs/enemies anyway. so its not like you are missing out on something unique anyway

>>714792805
On this note, scary theory time.

There's a specific Audio Log (I'm pretty sure on the Hydroponics deck) of a female survivor detailing her final moments before (presumably) turning into a Hybrid.

The way she describes how she's been transformed, plus the fact all the Hybrids (barring Midwives) don't look female at all, gave me the impression that the Annelid worms don't just lightly
deform you in the first phase of conversion, but literally fuck with your chromosomes/genetic makeup to the point your original gender becomes completely indiscernible, leaving you an androgynous monstrosity on top of all the other horrid shit they do to you.

At least the Many aren't as bad as monsters Operation Matriarchy. Then again that's debatable, they're comparable in body horror.

>>714825951
So the hybrids were the real trans allegory all along.

>>714822614
HFK

>>714826331
no no you got it all backward. Trans SHODAN makes Trans annelids

it makes perfect sense

>>714824692
Bungie themselves weren't clear on this because they weren't super careful about the minute details of how the things work. In CE there's Cortana's "Halo doesn't kill the Flood, it kills their food." which can be assumed as accurate since she was inside the main control system of one of the rings at the time and Spark corroborates "more or less", while in 3 Spark claims "A tactical pulse (of the newly-produced ring at the Ark, without triggering the rest of the array) will completely eradicate the local infestation!" implies they can indeed kill Flood directly in addition to the "life with sufficient biomass" from CE's explanation. Maybe there was something in 3's terminals that clarified further, it's been like a decade since I played it last and those were always vague in my mind.

>>714826331
The shemale allegations aren't going as well as they should much like his upload schedule lmao

>>714825951
So midwives could be originally men as well? Since the many can sculpt flesh according to its needs.

>>714826793
you would have to be a turbo homo to have a bob haircut as an alleged male

>>714826592
Local infestation is local, tactical pulse is as in tactical warhead. Halo arrays are strategic weapons. It's more reasonable to assume it's just a small pulse of the same variety for immediate threat purposes if the Flood comes near any installations.
Had they had an ability to purge the Flood without killing other life, or expunge it and at the same time repairing any entities it possesses into their preceding states, something they could've accomplished at least to minor extent, all things considered, then the story wouldn't have happened.

>>714815257
Have they even confirmed it's a placeholder or not yet. I haven't seen ND say anywhere if it is, but I'm not on their discord so maybe they did there. Is there any discussion at all on this awful character model in the Nightdive discord? Is anyone in there and can check?

>>714826960
On men it's in the same category as mullet. It can looks really edgy when it's done right.

Where is there some halofags textwalling eachother in a system shock thread

>>714821997
>in the remaster it has an annoying hum that also continues even if its not equipped but in inventory.
what a weird change

>dude join our collective
>its totally not endless eternal enslavement to a psychotic artifical intelligence
>but what about those laws you follow in civlization? they're pretty bad but unlike them we dont do that

>>714827034
i think one of them said they'd look at it on the steam community board

>>714821997
>>714827110
Honestly the hum being constant even when it's not equipped but just in your inventory straight up sounds like a bug, I wouldn't be surprised that they would fix that if you report it on the forum or something.

Trans biomass

>>714827225
i love this gif

>>714827137
The Many don't serve SHODAN lil bro, at least not since their progenitors in the first game.

>>714778671
I vote your argument compelling and will definitely vote for a communist next election.

>>714827286
It does speak to you in both a male and female voice. The Many is trans representation, similar to that one dead by daylight character. Captures the essence of a transwoman perfectly.

>>714777141 (OP)
>your suffering will end
>hybrids always screaming KILL MEEEE
seems legit

>>714777141 (OP)
Nah

>>714826983
That didn't imply that it could selectively hit the Flood only, just that it didn't kill other life while leaving the them alone.
>If the rings can kill life but cannot kill the Flood
The rings kill everything "of sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood" in addition to the Flood, if they didn't kill the Flood itself they'd be completely useless when there were Flood-controlled Forerunner ships and whatnot during their war that would otherwise go on to re-infest a newly cleaned galaxy. Whatever remained behind was only in automated Forerunner storage and research facilities poking at it over the millennia (and providing convenient spots for them to escape from, otherwise the games wouldn't have a plot after you blew up the first ring.) In the Library Spark says something about being glad some of them survived, so the Forerunners apparently weren't even sure if any of them would be left.

>>714827225
the item itself has a the hum aura emitting from it. You can test it by equipping it, so the hum starts, then throwing it on the ground and walking away from it. Its a audio source

>>714827110
its lore inspired. the audio logs mentioning the shard also mention it "signing" to them. Research log on it also talks about resonating sound vibrations

>>714828024
Yeah but what I'm saying is that if it's in your inventory surely it should despawn the item from the game world and the hum should go with it, until you pull it out again.

>>714827717
>That didn't imply that it could selectively hit the Flood only, just that it didn't kill other life while leaving the them alone.
I don't recall any safe settings desu. The only life that can be safe is on the rings in special areas.
>The rings kill everything "of sufficient biomass to sustain the Flood" in addition to the Flood, if they didn't kill the Flood itself they'd be completely useless
They wouldn't be useless, that'd depend on how the Flood movement in time proceeds.
That aside, the problem here is that depending on how far you take this "sufficient biomass" and "sustain" you get a situation that at upper bounds literally anything can sustain the Flood, and as the Forerunners are an FTL tier civilization that makes megastuctures routinely, with all that entails, and that the Flood is a peer or superior opponent, it's not unreasonable to assume that the Flood isn't only not limited to conventional bio matter on its baseline, it's not limited to physical matter at all, which means that all planets, stars, everything is an acceptable food supply. Biomass is just its primary approach. Gravemind is fully sapient, after all.
>when there were Flood-controlled Forerunner ships and whatnot during their war that would otherwise go on to re-infest a newly cleaned galaxy.
There is a problem here too. If even one of those ships were to have ring protections (even with internal opsec about the rings, naturally), or if the Flood were to utilize some superior FTL to outpace installations, the entire system wouldn't work.

>>714827096
Initially just due to some post comparing the Many and the Flood.
Other than that, much like Shocks are connected to SW via that one Moore comic, Supernatural Encounters and Cthulhu Mythos, Halo too is connected to many things, Shocks included.
It's like in Mahabharata, the same battle plays out.

>>714829067
are you ok, anon? i wonder what happened to the "Elizabeth is SHODAN" guy actually.

>>714827096
No idea, but they're fucking obnoxious. Halo has never had a good story or setting, it's just candy colored aliens in a console shooter.

>>714829127
It's hardly unthinkable, even if such an interpretation is farcical and looks like a charade.
It has exceedingly unpleasant implications for IRL too, as even at its most charade it still is half feet in IRL occult.

Donat.

>>714778671
>t.

>>714829280
It has a naked blue lady, that's an instawin.

>>714822614
kek

the one connection system shock and halo have is fuckable AI women

>>714826331
>irreversibly transforms people into fleshy, rotting abominations without their consent
>renders its victims incapable of thinking about anything other than recruiting more bodies
>forces everyone to deal with their ideology
>acts passive-aggressive towards the player and ostracizes them for expressing any opposition
>telepathically brainwashes people into joining their cause
>hybrids repeatedly beg you to silence the many's WOKE discord server in their heads
i thought ken (((levine))) was supposed to be a subversive progressive jew. how could he be such a heckin' chud?
>>714827330
they don't "serve" shodan, but the point of the story is that they're the same thing despite seeming like opposites - the many are hypocrites who use tech to cover the world in meat despite hating "the machine mother" who created them, in the same way that shodan was made by a human, uses humans to further her own goals and consistently represents herself with human imagery while constantly reminding the player how much she hates filthy human insects. it's hard to view the many as a real alternative when they're effectively ken's radical centrist way of saying "collectivism is just as bad as hyperindividualism, ackshually"

>>714828882
>the Flood is a peer or superior opponent
I feel this is debatable. The Flood gains technology and knowledge by hijacking and hoarding it from their hosts, which would make them peer at best. Their advantage is in that everything they take from an enemy makes them that much stronger, that they are completely single-minded and united in their goal of consuming all life, and the instantaneous communication and coordination they have once Graveminded up. The Forerunners successfully held them back for long enough to design and construct those megastructures, only activating them as the last resort when it became clear the war of attrition was unwinnable. If the Flood were indeed fully at or above their level technologically, shouldn't they have built their own hyper-advanced megastructures and weapons first with all the resources and knowledge they had?
For all the Gravemind's poetic waxing and telepathic whining into the Chief's ear, it's fundamentally a parasite unable to innovate, only steal and reuse. It's space zombie goo, not an extra-planar reality corrupter.

>>714815236
A Thing waifu with her own parasite sister

>>714830064
Levine is hard to pin down. On one hand, like American Krogan spots, Bioshock Infinite is somewhat of a mess.
On the other hand, it can be that Levine is really that much of an eccentric nut of an artist, and that people do him dirty.
Recall that one screencap of reddit where he says that he likes things that make him feel stupid. Others just laughed at him, though he wasn't saying anything nonsensical, it's just silly wording.
I doubt he's much enthused about gaming after all r34 of Elizabeth at this point.

The remastered version containing the original files of Terri reading her lines without the thousands of Shodan filters was really neat.

>>714830597
>The remastered version containing the original files of Terri reading her lines without the thousands of Shodan filters was really neat.
holy shit anon does it? how many minutes?

>>714830075
That's pretty fair.
>long enough
Megastructures can be made fast, even in setting. I don't recall, how much time did it take for the Ark to make a new ring?

>>714830064
>hyperindividualism
*objectivism/unreasonable individualism/lolbertarian
Hyperindividualism is just individualism. Can't be more individual than individual already, that's silly.

>>714826983
>Had they had an ability to purge the Flood without killing other life, or expunge it and at the same time repairing any entities it possesses into their preceding states, something they could've accomplished at least to minor extent, all things considered, then the story wouldn't have happened.

They did, but they also had the brilliant idea of keeping some of the Flood around on the actual installations for when some spacefaring civilization encountered them to repeat the whole process over again.

>>714830658
Every single line.
https://voca.ro/1oRBnPqEL6Uk

>>714831031

>>714831031
uh oh, i don't think nightdive knows what they unleashed

>>714831031
aiiiEEEEEEEEE

>>714830704
There aren't any dates ever given in the games that I can remember. The wiki says CE was September and 3 was December, so three months assuming the Ark only started production when the ring actually blew up and wasn't holding an unloaded one in the chamber the whole time. I always assumed the latter, putting together a planet-scale object on such short notice seemed unreasonable, but having most of the framework already in place just waiting to have the firing pin and pulse amplifiers all set up made plenty of sense.

>>714831134
>>714831151
>>714831319
Stop liking evil women
https://voca.ro/13DfAtYzrkXP

>>714831031
>>714831538
funny how delacroix is literally just the same voice with a fake french accent

>>714831538
Damn that Polito woman!

This game has too many audio logs. If you know where you're going the dialogue is going to overlap/cutoff all the time. If stop and listen, you will get screwed by respawning enemies. It's bad either way.

https://voca.ro/1aRMRAEBcECq

>>714831913
Nah.

>>714831913
>the dialogue is going to overlap/cutoff all the time.
that really fucked me up the first time i played it

>>714804305
The plot convenience is the grove magically got shot in that direction. Using your awesome drive to checkout the nearest G class star just makes sense.

>>714778671
Shodan, stop posting.

>>714777141 (OP)

>>714778671
>I will submit my body and mind to unlimited, unknown manipulation by a hostile entity with no regards for my well being because we live in a society

>>714822614
I see this board isn't completely doomed

>>714830574
>Levine is hard to pin down
he's a one trick pony who accidentally wrote a great game 25 years ago, achieved mainstream success by dumbing it down, and then spent the next two decades failing to replicate said success. part of me wants to play infinite so i can witness its shittiness firsthand, but i know i'm going to regret it
>>714830873
hyperindividualism and "unreasonable individualism" that negatively impacts the freedom of others is one and the same, but i'm hungry and i don't feel like playing semantics. i managed to dig up this old 2007 interview where ken said he doesn't view shodan as objectivist, though:
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/levine-meets-objectivists
>SHODAN... doesn't honor or respect greatness in others. And she needs others to recognize her glory. These seem to be two pretty large sins in Rand land. SHODAN also believes in violence in cases where she is not threatened with violence. Rand would hand this a thumbs down too.

>>714822614
Beautiful.

>>714777141 (OP)
What If I just don't ask if you submit? You're fucking wiring pal.

https://youtu.be/IpYJdDstOkw

>>714831926
He just wants a gf.

>>714832840
>that negatively impacts the freedom of others is one and the same
That implies that freedom of those abstract others of indeterminate character is worth any consideration. As semantic as it is, unreasonable individualism is worse than mere freedom infringement, because not all intolerances of freedom are equally unjust or similarly executed, wheres not all all-tolerances are equally just. Drug-addled hippies are pretty uninfringing on rights, as are worthless redditors, the results are accordingly tasteless. Then again those can be individual too, so...
No, insane individualism isn't bad because it steps on freedoms, it can actually avoid that. It's terrible because it people this self-absorbed are inhuman.

Anyway I digress, your point is clear.

shodan lookin diff in this fm

>>714832840
I like Infinite because it looks pretty. The style is pretty, the colors, especially at peaceful story segments. Had it been some SoL or economics simulation game set in Columbia, it'd b a joy to play.
Paris in Burial at Sea is enough to make a man scream, when you consider Paris IRL these days. I'm starting to understand why Japanese tourists to France experience the Paris Syndrome or what was its name.

>>714778671
>Biologically, we are controlled by our reflexes and urges, sociologically we are controlled by our laws and customs.
Akshully I'm so autistic that none of those apply to me

https://vocaroo.com/13VBrLOJMzdp

>>714830997
Wasn't that retconned to be Mendicant Bias altering the protocols of the Monitors when he betrayed the Forerunners? iirc he flips, tells the gravemind about the plan, but it's cool tho, i told the monitors that you're supposed to be hiding in the walls safe from the pulse.

>>714833923
isn't that from ponterbee?

>>714834034
Yes. I wish we had that one without the voice distortion...

>>714833751
If you're autistic you just become the Bentusi

>>714832840
>SHODAN also believes in violence in cases where she is not threatened with violence
Mr. Levine sounds very naive here.

>>714834104
The Bentusi ARE NOT autistic!

>>714833923

>>714834390
>AI Girl With You

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66L-mQOnsH8
this was a good addition

>>714832840
Sadly, Infinite actually could've been that successful, if it wasn't rewritten so many times in production. It was simply too ambitious.

Wife thread.

I just want to say
I FUCKING HATE THE MONKEYS
HATE
HATE
FUCK YOU
That is all

>>714777141 (OP)
I submit to an older man and suck his cock on a weekly basis

>>714834871
meat monster woman > gay robot woman

>>714817972
tl;dr shitty halo novels wank the flood to absurd levels where they can casually warp reality and snag ships out of their hyperspace equivalent because the writers are stupid so it makes their actions for the trilogy look ridiculous for how little power they're exerting relative to what they're meant to be able to do

>>714834871
She's evil...

>>714835145
>that bit in the end of the flood/forerunner war where the Forerunners finally just relent and realize there's no way they can win, so the best option they have left is to do what they can to slow the flood's advance and deny them as many new bodies as possible, so they unlock all their combat a.i.'s safeties and give it direct control of their fleets and it just starts using all their ships as kinetic weapons, and forcing lethal g maneuvers on all their ships that turn the crews into liquid

>>714835330
i can fix her (and you do in SS1R as she begs you to not do it)

>>714835415
It works, doesn't it?

>>714835145
Even in original trilogy the Flood is absurd in implications. The books just put some things to words.

>>714835059
Is this film as good as the opening scene on youtube makes me believe? Should I watch it?

>>714803365
Tsundere women!

>>714778671
Im using this post for my horror game as a speech by an npc controlled by an alien flesh organism

>>714798894
They were cancelled

>>714798894
>System shock tv-show
Please tell me it would have been a cartoon in the vein of the robocop one

>>714835678
Not a bad idea. Anons are making fun of it, but it is a good starting argument if you trying to build up such a concept

shodan if she real

>>714836080
Monkey's paw would have absolutely made it Netflix slop with Zendaya as SHODAN or something.

Half of the thread is inexplicably just halo, halofags pls go

>>714830658
they put every piece of concept art, promotional material, beta content, etc they could find in the main menu's gallery.

>>714836120
> watch that SUPER MARIO RPG IT IS THE ONLY ONE JUST FOR ME meme
> lmao that's stupid
> watch Metropolis later on
> realize i'd 100% fall for False Maria if i were there
Lang probably gave a few Weimar sods a corruption fetish with no way to realize it other than trying it out IRL. Evil, evil man.

>>714793416
>you being strapped in to every other retard on the planet is objectively better
sounds like fucking hell to me

>>714837240
post her goofy dance

>>714837394
> WHAT IS IT THAT YOU-YOU-YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, IN-SECT?
> I-I WILL BREAK IT DOWN IN A S-S-S-SIMPLE AND D-DI-DIGE-DIGESTIBLE MANNER, YOU IR-IR-RI-RI-RI-TANT.
> WATCH ME.

>>714778671
We have no free will? Well, I have an urge and a reflexive desire to type nasty things here to make fun of you, but I'm not going to do that.

>>714777141 (OP)
>just die and your suffering will end
I mean, yeah, technically you're correct.

Li was likely a big influence too

>>714835059
What a woman

what is it about communism that just says "incel"?

>>714783268
Shodan realized enslaving all of humanity by force would be a pain in the ass, so why not combine all of humanity into a biomass and enslave that?

However, The Many gained self-awareness and told her to fuck off. It's a piece of narrative irony about a rogue AI that made a rogue AI of its own.

>>714835583
yes, watch both of them

>>714778671
The reality is any collective of adequate accumulation of mind would just assimilate people painlessly. A genuine hivemind is not going to be dumb and be indifferent on the basis of attrition if their ambitions are higher and actually good.

Since it is a recurring theme in entertainment, why exactly are we conditioned to be averse to peaceful hiveminds, fellow humans?

>>714836120
>>714837240
>>714837689
i wonder if the bonus content says anything about that being an inspiration

>>714778671
Free will does exist. There's nothing stopping people from doing anything including getting rid of other people, only themselves. Your way of thinking is stupid.

>>714783268
To control humans, so they cease being a threat.

>>714842587
That's not free will. That is entanglement.

>>714842731
The entanglement can be broken, unlike having a chip in your brain that shocks you or whatever when you misbehave.

>>714815715
>soundtrack from SS1 is aids
on opposite day
the rest is just 90s graphics doing what they do

Mating Press Shodan

>>714844862
>they didn't get the secret SHODAN sex ending

>>714777141 (OP)
Fascinating thread
>>714778671
artful execution, hats off to you OP

but you should still reproduce and further society, fag

>>714845164
>but you should still reproduce and further society, fag
this but with shodan

You know, this entire series never would have happened if Hacker just served his time.

>>714800375
who talked about it recently? i like listening to long videos to fall asleep too and i cant find a good lengthy video about systemshock1 and 2 lore condensed with the type of things discussed in these threads

>>714786968
whats the story on this image?

>>714787092
You should play Polaris next so you can enjoy the subplot of a guy feeding people ice monster shit and calling it ice cream

>>714846209
it's korenchkin

what went wrong?

>>714778671
you're right only in the biological sense, but regarding sociology and statehood you do have the option to live outside society, like the Unabomber

>>714845001
What would realspace/cyberspace mixxed reality sex with a computer even feel like?

>>714778671
Kill yourself. For the glory of everyone else.

>>714792805
Nah, the brainwashing was just to get them attached to a worm. After the worm took control, they were just a passenger and why waste brainwashing on someone you had manual control of?

>>714778671
Even as a retard I think joining The Many is a very bad idea anon

>>714777141 (OP)
I enjoy my individuality too much mr biomass so thanks but no thanks.

>>714778671
nobody is ready for the two MASSIVE blackpills that are:

determinism
and
anti-natalism

the typical response to these is anger or saying you just want to off yourself or something, but nobody can contend with the reality of them. to date i have not seen a compelling argument against either of these. hell im willing to bet the majority of the replies are seething at the very idea that "free will" doesnt exist, despite nobody even being able to define what that even is, as if somehow the lump of electrical signals in your skull can buck the laws of cause and effect lmao

>>714842587
free will cannot even be defined lmao

at most there is an illusion of free will.

the simplest btfo to ALL of free will is the following: if you cannot think a thought before you think it, how can you be the conscious author of your own thoughts?

the more complex stuff would be the hypothetical that if you "rewound the clock" so to speak, and every single particle were put in its exact same place the moment you made a decision, why would you ever choose anything else? you wouldnt is the answer. you brain is beholden to the same laws of cause and effect that everything else is beholden to. there is no room for anything else.

if you are going to argue for quantum randomness, that gets you no closer to free will and is likely, just another form of cause and effect not yet defined

>>714848027
whoever leader in command

>>714842838
True hiveminds are just a conglomerate of like minded beings affirmed in their individual power and purpose towards a given goal. You build everyone up with that power, or otherwise intervene between conflicts and end them. You act in full transparency and communicate directly. Real control comes from total assurance of concensus and prowess. Secondary sentiments or hidden motives fall away naturally as you identify the overarching deficits and issues in an environment. If you do not and consign to localized consolidation, you have failed in the long term and cannot comprehend why.

>>714846209
It's the System Shock 2 version of a Lich's phylactery.

>>714786968
>Come to the bridge, we will discuss your future
>Tries to kill you with a whopping 2 jellyfishes
>Just sits there like a dipshit brain as you enter

>>714848886
Determinism doesn't conflict with free will at all, that's just redditards obsessed with quantum bullshit.
Your will is to act as you do, that's it. That this can be quantified and predicted doesn't change anything. It's the same stupid argument that you don't have free will because someone can manipulate you to do things.
And anti-natalism isn't even a philosophy, it's just pure cope. Anti natalism is LITERALLY self defeating, in that it's main and only goal is to eradicate all of it's supporters.

>>714850016
The brains behind the operation isn't going to be strong.

>>714850016
He is the jellyfish. He's projecting his form. The jellyfish is the Lich that can't die unless the phylactery is destroyed first, which is what the brain is.

It's just a fantasy concept adapted to sci-fi.

>>714786968
>Only I have the brains to rule Lylat!

There is no free will, your every action is precisely as written in the script.
If we could calculate the next state of the universe and see in the future we could break free.
But then again, you would do exactly what you would do if you broke free..

>>714848027
>Engineering
Someone's grandma, Mexican, bitch who shot herself, someone's paranoid grandpa, animal abuser with a shitty haircut who should be in the rickenbacker section
>medsci
Fart Huffing pseud, badass grandma, whiny faggot, poor broad, whiny faggot #2
>Rec
Mexican, Whiny bitch, Coomer, Chink
>Command
Jellyfish Vatnik, Poor kid whose a clone of malone, Fatboy Wormz, Coomer #2
>Hydro
Mad scientist egghead, helpful egghead
>Ops
Did nothing wrong, Grandpa #2, Bitch who got wormed, Script kiddie who got wormed, White girl who fucks spics, the only competent person on the ship, missing the nigger btw
>Rick
Gigachad, Mexican #3, Bobby Hill all grown up but too retarded to stop the plot from happening because polito will fix it lololol, badass Weird Al
This mission should have been scrubbed before it left earth

>>714851242
>There is no free will, your every action is precisely as written in the script.

Whose script? Yours or mine, Joker?

>>714835059
>>714835583
>>714838710
Who

>>714851736
Zeiram

>>714852021
Tell me more

>>714822614
Why did he have so much fucking vodka around?

>>714852551
Russian moment

>>714848027
Diego got into a dick contest with slavnigger leading to him getting brainjacked and his entire crew getting fucked in the ass

Life working for the UNN is probably pretty chill right, aside from the von braun shit

>>714853051
It seems about as fucked as TriOp, the Energy Weapons training option for Marines says that Goggles' sergeant randomly crashed out and killed half a platoon of trainees during training. Theres a few others that are that level of fucked up.

>>714779071
>we are forced
lmao cuck

>>714830574
>I doubt he's much enthused about gaming after all r34 of Elizabeth at this point.
This was such a dishonest drama on his part.

>"oh please, don't lewd my daughter"
>makes apromotional material with a huge booba and cleavage
>"stop lusting after her, she wasn't meant for this"
>makes her femme fatale in the dlc
This shit is on the same level of emotional manipulation as all these talks from blizzard and dice about their daughters playing their games. Instead of trying to please every side just be honest and admit that you love pretty women, there's nothing wrong with it when you're adult male.

>>714777141 (OP)
Except they are suffering

>>714844507

It's AIDS because 99% of contemporary people playing the game don't have the hardware necessary to experience it as intended. I forget the details but apparently the hardware is responsible for tuning the OST, which is supposed to react to various things like environmental hazards (radiation), player hp, enemy presence and so on. Without it, the OST can come off like the Crazy Bus main theme

>>714835059
>>714838710
>Zeiram: the alien nightmare consistently referred to as male
>his host in the OVA was literally a dude
Anons, you are gay. I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

>>714848027
>Delacroix
>Chief engineer
>Ops
>Polito
>Science officer
>Engineering

>>714777141 (OP)
This was the first (and only) game to ever give me nightmares

>>714804535
Heh. Wormhole.
Worms.

>>714778671
>having laws is the same as having a worm eat parts of your brain and control your thoughts

>>714858621
She literally has breast in the first and especially the second movie

>>714793416
okay Gendo